Re: Fw: Ghost: Cthulhu vs the Nigerian scammers
In a message dated 10/28/2002 10:26:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Cthulhu >> If you knew Cthulhu, like I knew Cthulhu. There was a girl in town that used to sew up Cthulhu dolls for SF cons. I told her to make up a shorter version with tiny stunted legs in a paint smock. There was only one Cthulhouse-Lautrec doll ever made. William Taylor and I didn't buy it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Ghost: Cthulhu vs the Nigerian scammers
--- Robert Seeberger wrote: > You gotta read this! > This is great! > > First some background: > The Culture list had been receiving spam from > Nigeria, typical stuff wanting > money, promising riches, normal net aggrivations. > Apparently Nigerian scams are on peoples minds! > > This one is one guys Lovecraftian response to the > spammers. > > http://www.geocities.com/steerp1ke/David_Ehi.html This was hysterical! *Detective Sipowitz?!* Eldritch forces? What a piece of work! (Do these scammers really get money from people?) There's One Born Every Second Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Smoking Cats
In a message dated 10/28/2002 9:53:39 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << an odd cat.) >> I've seem more odd dogs than odd cats. Three legged, I mean. A matter of personality more that genetics? William Taylor Who's Line Is It Anyway comes on at 12:07 Of coure I've written another email. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Smoking Cats
In a message dated 10/28/2002 9:41:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >--- >Poul Anderson's Bran Wave Is that a new cereal which guarantees regularity? --Ronn! :) >> Wow. Missed that. No, for regularity you'll want his High Colonic Crusade. William Taylor When are they going to make a 115% sized keyboard? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Smoking Cats
--- Ronn Blankenship wrote: > How about the risk to non-smoking humans who live > with cats who smoke? That's just the price one must pay for basking in the radiance of such a remarkable feline. (Remember, we're merely their servants... :D ) And I'm glad I was soda-less for your following comment! Crave The Wave Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Smoking Cats
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I quoted:] > > << In households where they were exposed five > years or more, cats had more than triple the risk. > In a two-smoker household, the risk went up by a > factor of four." >> > > Cats ignore whoever they want to, whenever they want > to. > I can just see the frustration of a lawyer trying to > sign up a tabby for a class action suite. And since there's an obesity epidemic among pets (dogs and cats, anyway), would Fido sue his best friend for giving in to those oh-so-sad-eyes and slipping buttered-toast-and-bacon to the pooch? Somewhere I read that there are fitness clubs promoting "bring your dog to the track" to encourage jogging. (My former neighbor actually had a cat who would jog a slow 1/2 mile with her, then turn back home. Before he broke a leg and couldn't climb the fence, he also pounced on the mailman regularly...an odd cat.) Mooching Mulch Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Smoking Cats
At 10:21 PM 10/28/02, William Taylor wrote: --- Poul Anderson's Bran Wave Is that a new cereal which guarantees regularity? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Smoking Cats
At 09:50 PM 10/28/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: Here's something I hadn't heard. http://www.msnbc.com/news/788102.asp "...In the study, Moore and other researchers at Tufts and the University of Massachusetts say living in a household with smokers considerably increases a cat's risk of acquiring feline lymphoma, which kills three-quarters of its victims within a year...They found that, adjusting for age and other factors, cats exposed to second-hand smoke had more than double the risk of acquiring the disease. In households where they were exposed five years or more, cats had more than triple the risk. In a two-smoker household, the risk went up by a factor of four." How about the risk to non-smoking humans who live with cats who smoke? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Smoking Cats
In a message dated 10/28/2002 8:51:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << In households where they were exposed five years or more, cats had more than triple the risk. In a two-smoker household, the risk went up by a factor of four." >> Cats ignore whoever they want to, whenever they want to. I can just see the frustration of a lawyer trying to sign up a tabby for a class action suite. Amicus Curiae Maru? William Taylor --- Dr. Brin agreed. Poul Anderson's Bran Wave would be written today as a legal nightmare. Animals using sticks to type on the internet, and lawyers fighting each other for the right to even pro bono work--as long as the cameras are on. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air L3er
I've been enjoying reading this thread. I have a comment or three, and a question (and the question is something I could probably look up, but I figure someone knows the answer) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:42:23 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > > > >You might be my age, but then you would remember the 50 mpg cars that > >existed in 1979. I owned one of them: a diesel rabbit. SUVs are big > >monsters that get low milage...plus the pollution controls cut gas milage > >significantly. > For the record I am 38. > The Ford Focus is the most popular car in the world. > You've mentioned this before so I have to ask. Do you advocate removing > pollution controls from cars to improve efficiency? 1) I don't remember the Rabbits in 1979, but I remember them a couple of years later. I learned to drive stick shift on one in 1986. That was an incredibly forgiving car; I've never driven another one that would have actually let me drive 10mph in 4th gear. I'm younger than Dean. 2) How many people does the Ford Focus seat? How many infant/child car seats can you get into the back seat of it? > >>Meanwhile, the big 3 auto manufacturers have a long history of putting cars > >>on the road with known safety problems and perpetuating the myth that the > >>heavier a vehicle is, the safer it is. > > > >Well, if it is a myth, then why have my kids been hit several times and > >hardly noticed it in our conversion van? > > About 10 years ago I was in a head-on accident in my Suzuki Sidekick. I walked > away with a sprained ankle and seatbelt bruises. But this doesn't really mean > anything. > This seems like an honest analysis. > http://enews.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/EETD-SUV-Safety.html A large car will, on average, probably protect you better. I looked at the article and I can believe what it says about the SUVs not being as safe as large cars. Heck, if I were driving my car at high speed, the way a state trooper driving the same model did during a high-speed chase a few years back, and I hit an SUV just the right way, I could walk away from the collision and everyone in the SUV would be dead. (But I'd have to hit it at a crucial spot to get those results.) The article mentioned various makes and models, but I didn't see Volvo on there. I'd like to see what the latest results are regarding the safety of Volvos. Looks like they're not popular enough to be included in the 22-page report whose URL is at the bottom of the article. Looks like a very interesting report, and if I get time later this week, I'll try to read all of it. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Smoking Cats
Here's something I hadn't heard. http://www.msnbc.com/news/788102.asp "...In the study, Moore and other researchers at Tufts and the University of Massachusetts say living in a household with smokers considerably increases a cats risk of acquiring feline lymphoma, which kills three-quarters of its victims within a year...They found that, adjusting for age and other factors, cats exposed to second-hand smoke had more than double the risk of acquiring the disease. In households where they were exposed five years or more, cats had more than triple the risk. In a two-smoker household, the risk went up by a factor of four." A more detailed and less fluffy version: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/07/020730075305.htm Mirroring Whiskers Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 10/28/2002 7:33:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << and we can all just relax and talk > of something else. >> > > Of Sousa and slips and ceiling wax, and cribbages and Kling's. And why dry ice is boiling hot, and whether yaks have wings. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picture of Sammy
Jim Sharkey wrote: > > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > --- Julia Thompson wrote: > > > There's a picture of Sammy taken in August up on > > > someone's website. The page is > > > > > http://www.itmm.com/Conventions/ArmadilloCon2002/page03.html > > > He's in the second picture. That's his daddy's leg > > > behind the > > > stroller. :) (I think it was taken when I was > > > getting my much-deserved > > > chair massage elsewhere in the dealer's room.) > > > > > > Cute! (Sammy, not the leg or the stroller...) > > But that's the oddest-looking pork rind I ever did > > see... ;) > > He is a cutie, for sure. Who does he take after? Mostly his daddy, it seems, but he's got my father's eyes and chin. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
You've Come A Long Way, Baby
While reading about breast cancer, I came across the following: http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/research_data/health_consequences/mortali.htm "Between 1960 and 1990, deaths from lung cancer among women have increased by more than 400%--exceeding breast cancer deaths in the mid-1980s. The American Cancer Society estimated that in 1994, 64,300 women died from lung cancer and 44,300 died from breast cancer." From: http://msnbc.com/news/788780.asp?0dm=C13KH "In 1980, emphysema killed 16,000 women and 37,000 men. In 2000, it killed 60,000 women and 59,000 men. This is a silent epidemic that we are now just beginning to bring to light and have the public recognize said Dr. Barry Make of National Jewish Medical and Research Center." Among Chinese men, tobacco is also taking its toll (Chinese women are not (yet) taking up smoking at the same rate): http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nm/journal/v5/n1/full/nm0199_15.html "The largest study ever undertaken to examine the health effects of tobacco finds that there are already a million deaths a year from smoking in China, and it predicts large increases in mortality over the next few decades. This pattern is likely to be repeated in other developing countries. "...Both the retrospective study and the early results from the prospective study in China indicate that in 1990 tobacco caused about 12 percent of adult male deaths, and by 2030 it will probably be a cause of about one third of them." Cigarette Tag Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
In a message dated 10/28/2002 7:33:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << and we can all just relax and talk of something else. >> Of Sousa and slips and ceiling wax, and cribbages and Kling's. William Taylor Never play cribbage with a Klingon. Ever see a peg shoved up one's. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Question for everyone
J. van Baardwijk wrote: > > > If you do not want all this to happen again in the > future, then you > > > will have to convince the person causing it in the first place > > > (Giorgis) to start behaving in such a way that "all this" will not > > > happen again. > > > >I don't understand. Why should anyone *have* to convince JDG > of anything? > > Because if you (plural) do not convince him that his > behaviour is in dire > need of improvement, you (plural) will have to put up with > his arrogance > and his personal attacks (among other things) over and over again. But surely if the latter doesn't seem like such a big problem, then the 'direness' of the former disappears and we can all just relax and talk of something else. Ritu GCU Dontcha Think So ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air L3er
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:42:23 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: >>Yes, my number was high. I was likely remembering a projected number. >>But, to be fair, your data source is 2 years old. Wind capacity in the US has >>close to doubled in that time. > >Are you sure, > >at > >http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004691.html > >I obtained the following historical trend > >1989 7034.4 MWh >1990 9379.2 MWh >1991 9379.2 MWh >1992 8793 MWh >1993 9086.1 MWh >1994 10551.6 MWh >1995 9672.3 MWh >1996 10258.5 MWh >1997 9672.3 MWh >1998 9086.1 MWh >1999 13482.6 MWh >2000 14948.1 MWh >2001 17586 MWh >2002 2931 MWh > > >2002 is very low because it is just for the first quarter. However, there >is absolutely no indication of higher usage in 2002 than in 2001, since >4x2931 < 17586. It seems to me that the two-year increase is no more than >about 30%. The two big jumps coincided with tax breaks, so that's not >surprising. http://www.awea.org/faq/instcap.html http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/14061/newsDate/17-Jan-2002/st ory.htm http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2002/04/22/daily7.html I don't have 2002 numbers. www.awea.com has a list of projects somewhere. Consumption never adds up to capacity. Even the data you cited with the .05% number listed generated electricity as .13%. It is growing so fast, I imagine alot of them are not fully comissioned or have found customers for the electricity yet. Texas seems to be the big mover in the US right now. I guess you do do everything big :) >>But, is overall efficiency improving as oil becomes harder to find and >>more energy intensive to extract ? > >Actually, it is far less energy intensive to extract than it was 20 years >ago. :-) Cool! >>Or are we more efficiently depleting a non-renewable resource. This is >>good news only as long as there are no alternatives. > >It is nonrenewable, but will probably last another 100 years, at the >present growth rate. Then there is coal and, then shale after that. Yes, >we do need to come up with alternatives, but I'd argue we need to do real >research now, instead of trying to commercialize stuff that isn't really >ready. >We do have a very environmentally friendly alternative, but it is not PC, >so it is being phased out, alas. No global warming, a strong safety record >in the West. True. The *potential* disaster is why most people fear it. >>>I can understand that. But, let me point out, its not immediate. I'm >>>probably a bit older than you. I remember the PR for these technologies >>>being about the same for the last 30 years. So, I look for an >>>indication of real new technology advances. When I don't see them, I tend >>>to conclude that this is just more of the same. >>Over that 30 years, the cost of producing energy from wind and solar has >>reduced by a factor of 10. is this due to PR?. > >Actually, yes. Let us look at solar costs from: > >http://www.solarbuzz.com/StatsCosts.htm > >A wonderful graph, showing a factor of 4 reduction in 17 years is given. >According to the graph, the costs were $6000 per kWp in 98, and to reduce >to about $4000 in 2001. But, in reality, the costs were $8000-$1 per >kWp in 2001. So, the factor of 4 was really a factor of 2. Plus, they >give the month by month trend over the last 2 1/3 years elsewhere at the >website: showing a slight rise in prices over that time. Solar, A factor of 4 in 17 years is fair. A definitive source is hard to find. This one says a factor of 5 over 15 years http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articles/Potential.PDF This one says 20 fold but doesn't give a time frame. http://starfire.ne.uiuc.edu/~ne201/1996/jmbradle/ This one says 99% from 1972-1992 http://www.nr.state.ky.us/nrepc/dnr/energy/doePhotovoltaics.html These ones says 100 fold since 1972. http://www.nrel.gov/hot-stuff/press/1999/299phys.html http://whyfiles.org/041solar/main1.html I don't find this hard to believe. Up until 1972 PV's were used almost exclusively on spacecraft. now there is 1000's of mW installed on earth. High volume brings manufacturing costs way down. Wind from $.40/kwh in the 80's to $.05/kwh today http://www.worldmarketsanalysis.com/InFocus2002/articles/energy_renewable.html I extrapolated a bit. We were talking about a 30 year time frame. >>Meanwhile, the average SUV gets 15mpg. The model T Ford got 23mpg. This >>is not progress, this is a better example of what PR can do. I had the >>privilege of riding in a '08 Model T once. Quicker and nimbler than you might >>expect for a 20hp engine (are you still sure your older than me? :-). >You might be my age, but then you would remember the 50 mpg cars that >existed in 1979. I owned one of them: a diesel rabbit. SUVs are big >monsters that get low milage...plus the pollution controls cut gas milage >significantly. For the record I am 38. The Ford Focus is the most popular car in the world. You've mentioned this before so I have to ask. Do you advocate removing pollution controls from car
Re: Picture of Sammy
Deborah Harrell wrote: > --- Julia Thompson wrote: > > There's a picture of Sammy taken in August up on > > someone's website. The page is > > > http://www.itmm.com/Conventions/ArmadilloCon2002/page03.html > > He's in the second picture. That's his daddy's leg > > behind the > > stroller. :) (I think it was taken when I was > > getting my much-deserved > > chair massage elsewhere in the dealer's room.) > > > Cute! (Sammy, not the leg or the stroller...) > But that's the oddest-looking pork rind I ever did > see... ;) He is a cutie, for sure. Who does he take after? Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
J. van Baardwijk wrote: > At 10:10 27-10-2002 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote: > >>BTW, you say you don't want a moderated list when we discuss >>"dinging," but you appear fairly willing to moderate John's >>behavior. Wherein lies the difference here? Just curious. > >Moderation on a list means that when someone sends a message, that >message is first read by a moderator, who will then decide whether >or not that message will be sent on to the actual list. > >I am not suggesting we do that to Giorgis's posts. I am trying to >get the message across that he should clean up his act and stop >misbehaving on this list. > Wouldn't a "dinging" system be a step in accomplishing that? If his (or anyone's) behavior aggravated enough people, the dings would add up, and maybe the person in question would get the message that his behavior is not in keeping with IAAMOAC? It may not be the exact same thing, but it is less disruptive to the list at large, seems to me. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Picture of Sammy
--- Julia Thompson wrote: > There's a picture of Sammy taken in August up on > someone's website. The page is > http://www.itmm.com/Conventions/ArmadilloCon2002/page03.html > He's in the second picture. That's his daddy's leg > behind the > stroller. :) (I think it was taken when I was > getting my much-deserved > chair massage elsewhere in the dealer's room.) Cute! (Sammy, not the leg or the stroller...) But that's the oddest-looking pork rind I ever did see... ;) Children Munch On The Darndest Things Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
Rob wrote: > > http://www.Brin-L.com > > > I suppose it was only to be expected. I'm of two minds about that. Yes, Jeroen sometimes doesn't know when to quit, and he's the architect of some of his difficulties. But he does seem to get more than his fair share of "the business" over it, and despite my own feelings on his apparent need to police certain people's behavior, it does look like a dogpile. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Allergies (was: Getting silly Re: br!n: war)
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [I wrote:] > > << as a cat-lover who is in > fact allergic to cats (though much less as the > years pass! :D), >> > > I did a close inspection of a used SF book I had > just picked up. Almost every > page had a white long hair sticking out of the > bottom edge. > > Was it a cat lover who loved science fiction, or a > cat who loved the cat > lover while the cat lover read science fiction? Did > the cat love science fiction? Yes, I'm sure! My cats _do_ seem to like marking my books while I'm reading (that's rubbing with their cheeks...not their tails! :P). Some people have dust bunnies, others dust rhinos; mine are dust dinos. :) > Some SCAers have to be careful armouring, > or they could wind up with a felined helmet. I know one who regularly used to threaten to turn his two black cats into a pair of gauntlets. ;) Children Of A Greater Purr Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
--- Julia wrote: > Steve Sloan II wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > You mean Hoon are having sex with Urs? Tymbrimi > are selling > > > obscene glyphs under the counter? Traeki are > painting > > > themselves green and posing as Christmas trees > only to sneek > > > out of the house after having been decorated? > > > > Kanten are walking up to broccolli-hating George > Bush Sr. and yelling "boo"? ;-) > > Actually, his problem was with *eating* broccoli, > not with broccoli per > se. So Kanten might be more comfortable around him > for *that* reason. > Me, I *love* eating broccoli. >:) > > Mebbe we should all go dress up as Kanten on > Halloween and find George H. W. Bush. >:) >:) > > (Oh, and Barbara Bush's response to the whole > broccoli thing was > something along the lines of, "Any man who eats pork > rinds can't be all > good." I loved that response.) A meal with food for the heart (broccoli) _and_ the soul (pork rinds)?! Preceded by an appetizer of good humor...mmmMMMm. :) VFP Chitlins __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
Gary Nunn wrote: > >> So, all women should be naked, and the men should drink >> alchoholic beverages during Halloween. > >Dude! If that's Halloween in your country, I think I need to celebrate >Halloween there! > Of course not! What do you think we are? We are a _Christian_ country! We don't celebrate Halloween, a Satanist holyday. This is the way we celebrate Carnival! Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Some things are too good to last
Alberto wrote... > So, all women should be naked, and the men should drink > alchoholic beverages during Halloween. Dude! If that's Halloween in your country, I think I need to celebrate Halloween there! Gary >From painfully conservative Delaware Ohio ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
In a message dated 10/28/2002 5:56:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Jackie-O-Linten. > No, no, no. The men and women in the list should act in an assertive way, showing that we abhor terrorism and those that support it. So, all women should be naked, and the men should drink alchoholic beverages during Halloween. >> Jackie O was a terrorist? Oh well. Have some Madera, m' dear It comes from an excellent year (Flanders & Swann) William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Allergies (was: Getting silly Re: br!n: war)
In a message dated 10/28/2002 5:24:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << as a cat-lover who is in fact allergic to cats (though much less as the years pass! :D), >> I did a close inspection of a used SF book I had just picked up. Almost every page had a white long hair sticking out of the bottom edge. Was it a cat lover who loved science fiction, or a cat who loved the cat lover while the cat lover read science fiction? Did the cat love science fiction? Either way, I took a vacuum to the PB. William Taylor - Some SCAers have to be careful armouring, or they could wind up with a felined helmet. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
William Taylor wrote: > >P.S. A single female on our list should dress up as a large >biologist/gardener alien in a tasteful pink dress with matching pillbox hat. >Let's see how long it takes someone to figure out that she's dressed as a >Jackie-O-Linten. > No, no, no. The men and women in the list should act in an assertive way, showing that we abhor terrorism and those that support it. So, all women should be naked, and the men should drink alchoholic beverages during Halloween. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Allergies (was: Getting silly Re: br!n: war)
--- The Fool wrote: > > From: Ronn Blankenship > > At 02:58 AM 10/27/02, The Fool wrote: > > > > >Most hot and spicy sauces will > > >help clear the sinus', but it's better to keep > them clear in the first place. > > > > Agreed. > > > > What should one do to insure that when one has > severe allergies that make > > them block up at the slightest provocation (or > sometimes no apparent > > provocation), so one never really has clear > sinuses to keep clear? And > > only relatively strong medicine provides some > relief, which generally wears > > off before it is time to take the next dose, > though if you're lucky it > > allows for a long enough span of relatively free > breathing so you can get > > to sleep, and if you're not, you lie there > miserable all night and feel > > even worse the next day . . . > > 8 grams or so of vitamin c/day can do wonders. For more than just a couple of days, this is an excessive dose. While Vitamin C is water-soluble, at this dosage it would be very easy to overload the kidneys if one was not _extremely_ well hydrated. Joint pain can be another side-effect of chronic Vit C megadosing. I personally find that daily intake of salsa/some form of chili-type peppers tends to cut down on my allergic problems, but I have no research to back that up. For really severe allergies, I resort to nasal steroid spray (eg. Flonase, Nasacort etc.) because cromolyn sodium nasal spray (eg. Nasalcrom) doesn't work well for me (although I know others who like it very much). And of course non-sedative antihistamines (eg. Allegra, Claritin), but I try to keep systemic drugs to a minimum. I hate to mention it, but, as a cat-lover who is in fact allergic to cats (though much less as the years pass! :D), you may just have to put up with it; you could consider allergy testing and subsequent immunotherapy, but that is a long time commitment. Anecdotally, I have a good friend who claims that her daughter's allergies were "cured" by acupuncture. Who knows? Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
William wrote: > What's a jewish street punk at Christmas time? > > A rebel without a Claus. *blink* *twitch* Ouch. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Silence. I am watching television." - Spider Jerusalem ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
In a message dated 10/28/2002 4:55:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << << Mebbe we should all go dress up as Kanten on Halloween and find George H. W. Bush. >:) >:) >> P.S. A single female on our list should dress up as a large biologist/gardener alien in a tasteful pink dress with matching pillbox hat. Let's see how long it takes someone to figure out that she's dressed as a Jackie-O-Linten. William Taylor -- No one dared to laugh when the Thennanin put the tube of Brill Creame to his lips... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Getting silly Re: brin: war
--- The Fool wrote: > Vitamin C is a natural anti-histamine. Most hot and > spicy sauces will > help clear the sinus', but it's better to keep them > clear in the first place. Do you have a reference for that action of Vit C? (I'm always trying to keep up with alternative/complementary medicine.) Thanks. Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
In a message dated 10/28/2002 4:48:27 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Mebbe we should all go dress up as Kanten on Halloween and find George H. W. Bush. >:) >:) >> Not all. If you all dress as Kanten, I'll go as a can of cheese sauce. William Taylor What's a jewish street punk at Christmas time? A rebel without a Claus. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
In a message dated 10/28/2002 4:32:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You mean Hoon are having sex with Urs? Tymbrimi are selling > obscene glyphs under the counter? Traeki are painting > themselves green and posing as Christmas trees only to sneek > out of the house after having been decorated? Kanten are walking up to broccolli-hating George Bush Sr. and yelling "boo"? ;-) >> And an insectoid race is running about with sun lamps? They can do, the Tandu, the tan due to you. William Taylor - The USPS printed a huge error on their stamps a few years ago. Because of a rate increase, for the first time ever, Daffy Duck had more cents that Bugs Bunny. (Yea, it does work better verbaly.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
Steve Sloan II wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > You mean Hoon are having sex with Urs? Tymbrimi are selling > > obscene glyphs under the counter? Traeki are painting > > themselves green and posing as Christmas trees only to sneek > > out of the house after having been decorated? > > Kanten are walking up to broccolli-hating George Bush Sr. and > yelling "boo"? ;-) Actually, his problem was with *eating* broccoli, not with broccoli per se. So Kanten might be more comfortable around him for *that* reason. Me, I *love* eating broccoli. >:) Mebbe we should all go dress up as Kanten on Halloween and find George H. W. Bush. >:) >:) (Oh, and Barbara Bush's response to the whole broccoli thing was something along the lines of, "Any man who eats pork rinds can't be all good." I loved that response.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You mean Hoon are having sex with Urs? Tymbrimi are selling > obscene glyphs under the counter? Traeki are painting > themselves green and posing as Christmas trees only to sneek > out of the house after having been decorated? Kanten are walking up to broccolli-hating George Bush Sr. and yelling "boo"? ;-) __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama => [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages ... http://www.sloan3d.com/brinl Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
I'm just getting burned out.
Three nursing teachers killed at our University Medical Center. The gunman makes four. And my first reaction when the police hold a news conference? Well, there goes Jeopardy. Not a very nice thought, but it must be becoming pandemic. William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
In a message dated 10/28/2002 3:10:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Corrupted-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com > I suppose it was only to be expected. rob >> You mean Hoon are having sex with Urs? Tymbrimi are selling obscene glyphs under the counter? Traeki are painting themselves green and posing as Christmas trees only to sneek out of the house after having been decorated? William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Archives, archives, who's got the archives?
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces@;mccmedia.com]On > Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:45 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: test ... > >just past a list of unkept promises you made to share the archives, > > Those are not unkept promises, those are not-yet-fulfilled promises. I'm afraid I see no difference. I was talking specifically about the promise you made to me to ftp the archives. I set up a computer with an account for you, which is still sitting here, many months later, awaiting delivery. I have written software that will extract individual messages from many kinds of archive files, enter them in a database, remove duplicates and identify missing segments. And if you do care to follow through and send me the various bits and pieces you have, I'll be more than happy to share the cleaned-up list back to you. The system I'm working on these days has now indexed and organized just a little under 1 million messages from about 140 sources... so I think I'm ready to handle whatever Brin-L might throw at me. ;-) If anybody else has substantial archives, please feel free to mail them to me at "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Please *don't* send any large attachments to my regular address, as my anti-spam software will take an irritatingly long time to sift through them. There, now I've told you how to mail-bomb me. Of course, that will also impact the performance of the list server Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
re: test
Jeroen wrote: GREAT. *snipped some apparent typographical errors* I WILL ONCE AGAIN ... BE ... SHUTTING UP *more snippage - editing mine* Jeroen, I appreciate your decision on this. I know it came hard to you, but it's a big step, and I'm proud of you. I look forward to reading your opinions on recent events worldwide, and to politely discussing them with you. My best to your family, and I know Tom will grow to be a fine young man. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Picture of Sammy
There's a picture of Sammy taken in August up on someone's website. The page is http://www.itmm.com/Conventions/ArmadilloCon2002/page03.html He's in the second picture. That's his daddy's leg behind the stroller. :) (I think it was taken when I was getting my much-deserved chair massage elsewhere in the dealer's room.) I have a few pictures from September on CD-ROM. If anyone wanted to put up one on their website, I'd be happy to send a few to choose from. (The roll started in late September hasn't been finished out yet; maybe I'll get it finished and in to be developed on Wednesday, we'll see.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Some things are too good to last
__ > Corrupted-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com > I suppose it was only to be expected. rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test
- Original Message - From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Re: test > BUT REMEMBER, SOME DAY *YOU* WILL SAY SOMETHING THAT GIORGIS DOES >NOT LIKE TO HEAR, AND THEN *YOU* WILL BECOME THE NEXT VICTIM OF HIS >ARROGANCE, HIS INTOLERANCE AND HIS HATE-SPEWING. Jeroen, I've been saying things he does not like to hear for over 5 years. I have never felt myself a victim when he responded. I've felt he's been wrong, but then, I'm a bit opinionated. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test
At 06:27 27-10-2002 -0600, Adam Lipscomb wrote intolerantly: Maybe we should just permanently ban misbehaving listmembers, like the ones that make threats to hold the list hostage to their idea of how we should behave. GREAT. I ALREADY WAS A NAZI AND AN ANTI-SEMITE (ACCORDING TO SOME VERY INTOLERANT IDIOTS HERE, THAT IS), AND NOW I AM ALSO A FUCKING TERRORIST. SO, WHEN CAN I EXPECT THE ANTI-TERRORIST UNIT TO COME AND BREAK DOWN MY DOOR? BUT OK! FINE! HAVE IT YOUR WAY! AGAINST MY BETTER JUDGEMENT, I WILL ONCE AGAIN LET MYSELF BE BULLIED INTO SHUTTING UP ABOUT GIORGIS'S GROSS ANTI-SOCIAL MISBEHAVIOUR ON THIS LIST. FOR NOW, ANYWAY. BUT THE MINUTE HE RESUMES HIS USUAL MISBEHAVIOUR, I WILL BE RIGHT THERE TO CALL HIM ON IT. (AND NO, THAT IS NOT A THREAT -- IT IS A PROMISE!) I AM SURE THAT YOU WILL SHORTLY RECEIVE A MESSAGE FROM GIORGIS IN WHICH HE CONGRATULATES YOU ON SUCCEEDING IN SILENCING THAT ARROGANT PIECE OF EUROPEAN SHIT WHO DARED TO QUESTION GIORGIS'S SELF-PROCLAIMED MORAL AND INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORITY OVER THE REST OF THE WORLD. HE WILL BE SO PROUD OF YOU. BUT REMEMBER, SOME DAY *YOU* WILL SAY SOMETHING THAT GIORGIS DOES NOT LIKE TO HEAR, AND THEN *YOU* WILL BECOME THE NEXT VICTIM OF HIS ARROGANCE, HIS INTOLERANCE AND HIS HATE-SPEWING. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THERE WILL BE ONE LONG-TIME DUTCH LISTMEMBER WHO WILL MOST CERTAINLY *NOT* COME TO YOUR DEFENSE... WONDERFUL -- "SOLVING" THE PROBLEM BY SILENCING THE PERSON WHO POINTS OUT THE PROBLEM. THE SADDAM HUSSEINS OF THIS WORLD WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU. TIME TO START MY EXPERIMENT. Jeroen "The only good Giorgis is a silent Giorgis" van Baardwijk __ Corrupted-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test
At 16:56 27-10-2002 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Well, if in the end the net result is slowing of messages, if we want to limit it to one *unanswered* ding per dinger per dingee per day and allow unlimited back-and-forthing of it, what that will do is to greatly limit the amount of traffic either of the two dingers could post to the actual list. Not really. The dinging system will only *slow down* the messages, not delete them. So, if I find 10 messages in my Inbox that I want to reply to, I will write and send those 10 replies; it will only take a bit longer before they make it to the list. Jeroen "Shields up! Red alert!" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: test
At 07:17 27-10-2002 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: > Why not make a webpage (I hereby volunteer some space at Brin-L.com for > it) that lists the full history of Brin-L dinging then? It will make > the system more transparent, and it will be easy to notice by everyone > if someone is trying to abuse the system. Yeah, let's put it right next to "Hall of Shame," There is no "Hall of Shame" on Brin-L.com -- not even a *mention* of it. just past a list of unkept promises you made to share the archives, Those are not unkept promises, those are not-yet-fulfilled promises. When I first started on the Archive, all I had were the posts from mid-1998 on. Two members sent me their own incomplete archives, so that an (almost) complete Brin-L Archive could be built. The whole process took an awful lot of time, because I had to go through those two archives (which contained not only Brin-L messages) one message at the time (and there were *thousands* of messages there). Also, part of the Archive had to be constructed by cutting up entire Digests (a few hundred of them) into individual posts. That part of the whole building process was completed not so long ago. The next thing to do is index the messages, and find out where exactly the holes are in the Archive. After that, I have to figure out how to get the Archive on-line with as little trouble as possible. All that will take an awful lot of time -- which I do not have available in overwhelming quantities. Although I try to work on it whenever possible, other things (such as family, work and studying) have a higher priority. Of course, if someone wants the Archive available a lot sooner and is willing to pay me enough to quit my job so I can work on the Archive full-time, feel free to contact me. near the inappropriate disclosure of the subscriber list, The subscriber list was not and is not published on Brin-L.com. And again, it was posted because someone *asked* for it to be posted. down the hall from the general complaints. ...which also are not published on Brin-L.com. Jeroen "Get your facts straight" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
re: Question for everyone
Jeroen wrote: At 06:55 27-10-2002 -0600, Adam Lipscomb wrote: >Jeroen, it's obvious that you're suffering from some kind of bizarre >fixation on John. No, I am suffering from a highly developed sense of wrong and right -- a mental condition that very few people seem to have. * I'd say instead you're suffering from a completely wrong-headed sense of proportion. It's interesting that you're using such strong terminology to proclaim your status as a victim. ** >I'd suggest you either (a) write him an impassioned letter why you can't >live without him in your life or (b) shut up about it. Ahem, "cannot live without him in my life"? Quite frankly, I think both my life *and* this list would benefit greatly from Giorgis's disappearance from this community. ** Funny, some people might say the same about you... ** >I'm hoping for (b), since John's made it quite clear that he doesn't >swing your way Giorgis is not going to swing anyone's way but his own -- as is proven by the fact that he has been talked to about his misbehaviour repeatedly over the years, but still displays the same questionable behaviour. * John has made as many positive contributions to this list as anyone else over the years. While many of us have had our differences with him (shout out to John re: the Clinton Impeachmenat debacle!), everyone else is able to let things drop when the discussion gets below the level of polite discourse. Your constant harping on "flaws" that no one else either notices or cares about is a good indication to me that you've somehow fixated on John in an unhealthy fashion. ** Jeroen "Not that anyone cares what *I* think" van Baardwijk ** Apparently, we don't. Maybe you should just quit worrying about John and worry instead about Jeroen? That advice seems to work fine when I'm talking to my 2 year old - surely you're mature enough to understand what I'm saying. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] "One day, I'm going to drop a bomb on this city. A contraceptive bomb." - Spider Jerusalem, "Lust for Life" __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
- Original Message - From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Question for everyone > At 10:10 27-10-2002 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote: > > >BTW, you say you don't want a moderated list when we discuss "dinging," > >but you appear fairly willing to moderate John's behavior. Wherein lies > >the difference here? Just curious. > > Moderation on a list means that when someone sends a message, that message > is first read by a moderator, who will then decide whether or not that > message will be sent on to the actual list. So, dinging is not moderation according to your definition. Why did you call it moderation, then? "Sounds like an awful lot of work for something that is not really useful, not really complies with IAAMOAC, and goes against David Brin's wish that this list be unmoderated." Posted by you on 10/27 at 2:12 AM CDT, according to my computer. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
At 10:10 27-10-2002 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote: BTW, you say you don't want a moderated list when we discuss "dinging," but you appear fairly willing to moderate John's behavior. Wherein lies the difference here? Just curious. Moderation on a list means that when someone sends a message, that message is first read by a moderator, who will then decide whether or not that message will be sent on to the actual list. I am not suggesting we do that to Giorgis's posts. I am trying to get the message across that he should clean up his act and stop misbehaving on this list. Jeroen "The only good Giorgis is a silent Giorgis" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Question for everyone
At 19:54 27-10-2002 +0530, Ritu Ko wrote: > Oh, now I get it! How stupid of me to forget -- as an American, you are > of course using the *American* definition of "threat"! (Which, as we > all know, includes a hell of a lot more than the European definition.) I don't know the difference between the American and the European definitions of 'threat'. Could you kindly enlighten me? Americans appear to be a lot quicker to call something a "threat" than Europeans (at least, if some Americans on this list are any indication). What an European would still consider a friendly warning or good advice, Americans would interpret as a threat. An example from Brin-L's past. A little over a year ago, a certain US poster (no, not JDG this time) made some rather nasty accusations against me (which he could not prove). I pointed out to him: "If you start making a habit of accusing people of something without providing evidence, sooner or later you're going to find yourself in court, explaining your behaviour to a judge.". Now, an European would consider that a general warning. Said poster however considered this a direct threat against him, and interpreted it as "if you accuse me of something one more time, I will sue you for every penny you got". > If you do not want all this to happen again in the future, then you > will have to convince the person causing it in the first place > (Giorgis) to start behaving in such a way that "all this" will not > happen again. I don't understand. Why should anyone *have* to convince JDG of anything? Because if you (plural) do not convince him that his behaviour is in dire need of improvement, you (plural) will have to put up with his arrogance and his personal attacks (among other things) over and over again. Jeroen "The only good Giorgis is a silent Giorgis" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
- Original Message - From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Question for everyone > At 06:55 27-10-2002 -0600, Adam Lipscomb wrote: > > >Jeroen, it's obvious that you're suffering from some kind of bizarre > >fixation on John. > > No, I am suffering from a highly developed sense of wrong and right -- a > mental condition that very few people seem to have. Most folks with a highly developed sense of right and wrong that I know focus on their own misdeeds, not the misdeeds of others. To accuse me of having a questionable moral compass because I find it easy to debate with John would be insulting, were it not so foolish. "Before you say, friend, let me take the splinter out of your eye, be sure to take the log out of your own." Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
At 06:55 27-10-2002 -0600, Adam Lipscomb wrote: Jeroen, it's obvious that you're suffering from some kind of bizarre fixation on John. No, I am suffering from a highly developed sense of wrong and right -- a mental condition that very few people seem to have. I'd suggest you either (a) write him an impassioned letter why you can't live without him in your life or (b) shut up about it. Ahem, "cannot live without him in my life"? Quite frankly, I think both my life *and* this list would benefit greatly from Giorgis's disappearance from this community. I'm hoping for (b), since John's made it quite clear that he doesn't swing your way Giorgis is not going to swing anyone's way but his own -- as is proven by the fact that he has been talked to about his misbehaviour repeatedly over the years, but still displays the same questionable behaviour. Jeroen "Not that anyone cares what *I* think" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The UN
At 22:54 27-10-2002 +1100, Ray Ludenia wrote: I notice that you have effectively avoided answering Dan's direct question And since when is not answering a question a bad thing on this list? Jeroen "Consistency in policy" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air L3er
- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: Re: cars, air L3er > > - Original Message - > From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: cars, air L3er > >That comes to just over $1.00/kWh. under >> Might it not be worthwhile to spend money on solar applications for those areas, since >> you aren't competing with the grid, you are competing with the costs to >> BUILD a grid, which makes solar look much more competitive. But, grids are not _that_ expensive. Our county grew 70% in 10 years, requiring a massive build out of the grid. They can amatorize the cost over 20 years and still charge us $0.10/kWh and make a profit. One also needs to remember that 1400 kWh/year is a low household usage by American standards. That would mean, for a standard user, bills of only about $12.00/month. For a household which uses 1000 kWh/month, about 7 such systems are required. The breakeven point for extending the grid, factoring in fuel costs, is roughly $50,000 in that case. Few American households cannot be wired into the grid for 50k. For a new neighborhood of 1000 houses, that would be $50,000,000...well under what the cost would really be. Dan M. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Hallowe'en
In a message dated 10/25/2002 3:02:06 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Especially if you down an entire fifth of scotch in that manner. >> De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Medievalbk@;aol.com] > Funny. Why do I think a Jophur would prefer vodka or uso [sp?] Back from the party... I would think that they would prefer scotch. Since the rings use smells a lot, a drink which is varied on that account should seduce them better than a drink like vodka, which is a lot closer to just alcohol. Jean-Louis Scotch, bourbon, rye, whiskey : it's all good! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air L3er
- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: Re: cars, air L3er > On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 12:02:21PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > > > >From what I've read in Physics Today, it is going to be very hard to > > > > squeeze out added efficiencies. Everything that I see indicates > > that we need to do a lot of fundamental research before there is a > > breakthrough. So, money should be spent on basic solid state physics, > > not applications of present technology, IMHO. > > What about rural areas and developing countries? I think remote, not rural is where the break even is. From http://www.go-solar.com/Pvinsolation.html I got the average sun hours as 4.8/day. If you factor in the fact that the cells rarely operate at peak efficiency, you are talking close to 4 kwH production per day for a $10,000 unit. If we assume an 8% interest rate, and 20 years amatorization, we are talking about $1020/year in costs. Plus, there will be maintenance costs, so I'd put the yearly cost at $1300/year. This is for a system that produces 1460 kWh/year. That comes to just over $1.00/kWh. There are locations where this works out, but they are remote, not just rural. There is some limited use in developing countries, but this is a very high price for power. My "daughter"'s family is on the grid in Zambia, I know that. Dan M. Might it not be > worthwhile to spend money on solar applications for those areas, since > you aren't competing with the grid, you are competing with the costs to > BUILD a grid, which makes solar look much more competitive. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air L3er
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 12:02:21PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > >From what I've read in Physics Today, it is going to be very hard to > > squeeze out added efficiencies. Everything that I see indicates > that we need to do a lot of fundamental research before there is a > breakthrough. So, money should be spent on basic solid state physics, > not applications of present technology, IMHO. What about rural areas and developing countries? Might it not be worthwhile to spend money on solar applications for those areas, since you aren't competing with the grid, you are competing with the costs to BUILD a grid, which makes solar look much more competitive. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: corporations
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 08:56:13AM -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: > Is it possible that they have separate neighborhood nodes for the digital > cable and cable modem services, allowing them to provide more bandwidth for > each individual user? Is this what you mean by "headends?" It is possible, but remember, coax cable, at least for the distances normally used, has at best about 1000MHz so they would need to have more than one cable running through the neighborhood, in addition to multiple headends. In this context, by headend I mean the place where the signal for the neighborhood coaxial cable originates. After the head end, it is basically passive: a bunch of splitters and possibly amplifiers, but no new signal is added to the coaxial cable after the headend. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air L3er
- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: Re: cars, air L3er > On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 11:42:23PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > > Are you sure, > > > > at > > > > http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004691.html > > > > I obtained the following historical trend > > > > 1989 7034.4 MWh > > 1990 9379.2 MWh > > 1991 9379.2 MWh > > 1992 8793 MWh > > 1993 9086.1 MWh > > 1994 10551.6 MWh > > 1995 9672.3 MWh > > 1996 10258.5 MWh > > 1997 9672.3 MWh > > 1998 9086.1 MWh > > 1999 13482.6 MWh > > 2000 14948.1 MWh > > 2001 17586 MWh > > 2002 2931 MWh > > > > > > 2002 is very low because it is just for the first quarter. However, there > > That includes only "grid-connected" electricity, so I imagine it is an > underestimate, since solar and wind should be more economical in remote > locations far from the grid, right? I don't think its that simple. The way I read the footnotes is that only the wind power is limited to grid connections; the solar includes off grid. That makes sense, because solar is close to equal to wind, and I know of significantly more wind on the grid than solar. Further, I haven't heard much of off-grid wind generation of electricity. Efficient wind energy requires the right location, while off-grid usually refers to preselected locations. So, the numbers for wind generated electricity on grid is probably the lions share of total wind generation. An additional problem with wind powered off grid is the fact that, for the contenental US, there is a significant risk of many low wind days in a row; while there is not a risk of total darkness many days in a row. Thus, for remote locations where the main cost is not fuel but the trip in, solar has advantages. > Also, is wind energy generation steady from quarter to quarter, or is it > higher, for example, in the spring and fall? In other words, is it valid > to just multiply Q1 by 4 to get the annual value? > > And it DID double from 1998 to 2001, maybe that is what he was talking > about? It almost doubled, but it had fallen from 97 to 98. 2001 is less than twice of the average from 90-94.I'll agree that multiplying by 4 probably isn't valid; I don't think wind and solar use really fell that much, but I only claimed that it was not consistant with a big jump. Plus, looking at California wind energy, I recall virtually no new systems that are coming online in '02. > > Actually, yes. Let us look at solar costs from: > > > > http://www.solarbuzz.com/StatsCosts.htm > > > > A wonderful graph, showing a factor of 4 reduction in 17 years is given. > > According to the graph, the costs were $6000 per kWp in 98, and to reduce > > to about $4000 in 2001. But, in reality, the costs were $8000-$1 per > > kWp in 2001. So, the factor of 4 was really a factor of 2. Plus, they > > give the month by month trend over the last 2 1/3 years elsewhere at the > > website: showing a slight rise in prices over that time. > > I wonder if the title of that graph is wrong. Maybe it should be > "module" prices rather than system prices? They quote for MODULES, > $27/Wp in 1982 and the graph shows $19000 (per KWp ?) in 1984. If > the graph really were system cost per KWp, than the $27/Wp for > MODULES in 1982 corresponds to about $54,000 to $67,000 per KWp > system cost in 1982, and the price dropped to $19,000 by 1984? That > seems unlikely. Also, the text quotes $4/Wp module cost "today" > (2001?), which corresponds to $4000/KWp, which is about what the graph > shows. Strangely, the last actual data point on the graph looks like > 1996, the rest is extrapolation? I don't think that graph is reliable, > it seems to have mistakes and be out of date. Which is my point. That's part of the problem with the industry, there is a lot of PR data floating about. I'm not arguing that conventional energy companies do not have PR relations going, but the price of gas is well known, its not fabricated. The historical oil price is a transparent figure, while the price of solar, alas, often involves proctonumerology. Look at the module price shown at http://www.solarbuzz.com/ModulePrices.htm Its steady at $6.00 per Wp for the last 2.4 years. There is no indication that the technology is dropping in price significantly. >From what I've read in Physics Today, it is going to be very hard to squeeze out added efficiencies. Everything that I see indicates that we need to do a lot of fundamental research before there is a breakthrough. So, money should be spent on basic solid state physics, not applications of present technology, IMHO. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: corporations
> From: Kevin Tarr [mailto:vze3xykq@;verizon.net] > > You mean people owned a piece of property but they had no > control over what > was being done with it, for the sake of a phone line? Sounds > like another > example that people are just renting the ground from the government. My guess is there was an easement on the property for just that sort of thing. I've got one of those in my back yard. It can be torn up if necessary. Actually, one on my side yard too to allow access to some common ground that my yard backs up to. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: corporations
I wrote: > Here in KC, TimeWarner Cable now has Movies On-Demand, about 50 or > 60 different movies available whenever you want to watch them. In > addition, they have Comedy Central On-Demand (8 30-minute episodes > of various shows and several 2-3 minute long clips from South Park, > etc.), Showtime On-Demand, Cinemax On-Demand, HBO On-Demand, Food > Network On-Demand, Cartoon Network On-Demand, and many others, in > addition to 150 or more regular channels and 20 or 30 music channels. > And they offer cable modem access through AOL Highspeed, RoadRunner, > and I believe one other service. How does this fit in with the > scenario above? Erik replied: I'm not sure what you are asking. But unless they have fiber to the home, the maximum bandwidth of the coaxial cable must be about 1000MHz (at best). Each program typically requires around 6MHz, although from your description it must be a digital system so they could compress that somewhat. What exactly does "on-demand" mean? When you select a program does it start instantaneously or is there a delay? How much do they charge for this service? They have coax at least coming from the pole into the house. But you are correct, it is digital (I had forgotten). Actually, over the same coax cable, they have both analog (about 70 channels) and digital cable. We use a splitter on our cable out of the wall and run one side through the digital box and into one VCR, and the other side into another VCR so we can record two channels at once as long as at least one is from the analog side. And from another cable downstairs, we have our internet access. I was told I could use another splitter and have both VCRs and the cable modem attached to the same cable, and they offered to sell me an in-line amplifier to make certain I would have enough signal :-) As for On-Demand services, there is usually a 20 or 30 second delay at most. The movies typically run anywhere from $1.95 to $3.95. The premium channels-on-demand like Showtime On-Demand are a monthly subscription of $6 or $7 (the $6.95 that Julia mentioned sounds right). That includes access to a few movies, ten episodes each of two or three original series, at least for Showtime, and a few specials. On-Demand services for channels like Food Channel and Comedy Central are free, and offer about the same amount of stuff. I believe they use compression, but I'm not sure how much. I only very occasionally notice any digital artifacts. Is it possible that they have separate neighborhood nodes for the digital cable and cable modem services, allowing them to provide more bandwidth for each individual user? Is this what you mean by "headends?" Thanks in advance for your insight into this, I appreciate it. Reggie Bautista _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Anonymous dings
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces@;mccmedia.com]On > Behalf Of Doug > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:42 PM > To: New Brin-l Address > Subject: Anonymous dings > > > I don't really like the idea of anonymous dings but if they are allowed > the penalty should be at least .5 ding. > > Otherwise, I'm in favor of the system. > > Doug Doug *who*? ;-) Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air L3er
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 11:42:23PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > Are you sure, > > at > > http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004691.html > > I obtained the following historical trend > > 1989 7034.4 MWh > 1990 9379.2 MWh > 1991 9379.2 MWh > 1992 8793 MWh > 1993 9086.1 MWh > 1994 10551.6 MWh > 1995 9672.3 MWh > 1996 10258.5 MWh > 1997 9672.3 MWh > 1998 9086.1 MWh > 1999 13482.6 MWh > 2000 14948.1 MWh > 2001 17586 MWh > 2002 2931 MWh > > > 2002 is very low because it is just for the first quarter. However, there That includes only "grid-connected" electricity, so I imagine it is an underestimate, since solar and wind should be more economical in remote locations far from the grid, right? Also, is wind energy generation steady from quarter to quarter, or is it higher, for example, in the spring and fall? In other words, is it valid to just multiply Q1 by 4 to get the annual value? And it DID double from 1998 to 2001, maybe that is what he was talking about? (although granted it doesn't really support the point he was making that your numbers were too far out of date) > Actually, yes. Let us look at solar costs from: > > http://www.solarbuzz.com/StatsCosts.htm > > A wonderful graph, showing a factor of 4 reduction in 17 years is given. > According to the graph, the costs were $6000 per kWp in 98, and to reduce > to about $4000 in 2001. But, in reality, the costs were $8000-$1 per > kWp in 2001. So, the factor of 4 was really a factor of 2. Plus, they > give the month by month trend over the last 2 1/3 years elsewhere at the > website: showing a slight rise in prices over that time. I wonder if the title of that graph is wrong. Maybe it should be "module" prices rather than system prices? They quote for MODULES, $27/Wp in 1982 and the graph shows $19000 (per KWp ?) in 1984. If the graph really were system cost per KWp, than the $27/Wp for MODULES in 1982 corresponds to about $54,000 to $67,000 per KWp system cost in 1982, and the price dropped to $19,000 by 1984? That seems unlikely. Also, the text quotes $4/Wp module cost "today" (2001?), which corresponds to $4000/KWp, which is about what the graph shows. Strangely, the last actual data point on the graph looks like 1996, the rest is extrapolation? I don't think that graph is reliable, it seems to have mistakes and be out of date. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: It's Lula in Brazil
Doug wrote: > >Brazil hasn't had a lefty in power for nearly forty years, according to >the article below. > ??? The current president, Fernando Henrique Cardoso, _is_ a lefty. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: corporations
At 03:23 PM 10/27/02, Julia Thompson wrote: Yeah, just like the time some doofus from the cable company threw his stuff into the backyard and went over the fence while his buddy came to knock on the door; I was *supposed* to put the dogs out and leave about 2 minutes after they had shown up, but couldn't, and they didn't replace things properly, so it was *unsafe* to put the dogs out, and it was so late in the day that when I called to complain and demand that they send someone out *immediately* to fix the problem, they told me they couldn't. So it ruined the whole afternoon and evening. Yeah, utilities and their rights over the property of those using them can suck. Sounds like the problem would have been solved had they arrived 3 minutes later (or you had been three minutes earlier in doing what you planned) . . . or at least the "doofus" would never have tried that again once he got back to work after he got the stitches out . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
