A run on Ronn was a good roundelay of wordplay.
...or so I say. William Taylor "And if one of those emails should happen to ding,--- GOOD ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
In a message dated 11/2/2002 10:22:16 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << And then there are the districts which by federal court order have to be drawn so as to be "majority minority" districts so as to assure the election of a representative of a certain race . . . regardless of whether that person has any qualifications other than the correct skin color. >> That's why when there's a blank line on the form for race, I answer: Depends on who's chasing me. One side of Tucson is the designed for Democratic slash Hispanic guaranteed to be elected district. Tucson is split in two, and I think the greater Phoenix area is chopped up into at least parts of five districts. William Taylor - "Silence Ellington, or I'll have the whitewash taken to you." It was radio. Who'da known? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Great Security Panic
In a message dated 11/2/2002 10:19:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << There is not likely anything >they can use or learn from on your machine. You do not likely have any >porn Not even kitty porn! >> So that's what those Viking cats did to the village when they landed William Taylor "Eighty six emails from Ronn. Hey, I never said I could count." ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
- Original Message - From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: RE: Some things are too good to last > > Last time I checked, neither of those archives shows up when you do a google > search. A page on your website probably would. > I use Copernic for searches. Using my name for a search brings up Sloan3D as the first hit and the eighth hit. The yahoo group comes up as the sixteenth hit and the twentysixth hit. The twenty eighth hit is mail-archive.com as is the forty first. But I think this gives creedence to Johns point. Regular websites give better hits than archives. Who is going to research the archive looking for dirt on a new hire? xponent A Clue Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
In a message dated 11/2/2002 10:17:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you have any idea how arrogant _your_ post sounds? >> "Judy, Judy,---" Thipht. "Jud---" Swith..THUNK! "Argh." Do you have any idea how arrow Grant this post tries to sound? William Taylor --- "Ninty two" ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Server mish mash
In a message dated 11/2/2002 10:17:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >Have I been dinging too much? :-) I dunno. Have you been leaning on a doorbell button? >> Didn't I see that in a Godfather movie? William Taylor --- "Ninty six..." ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
In a message dated 11/2/2002 10:16:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >How many people are voting in a tight Senate race this year? I'm not sure. I know that Massachusetts has been electing a tight Senator every six years for the past 33+ years . . . >> But most things about him are loose. Like his pants. William Taylor "Ninty eight" ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
In a message dated 11/2/2002 10:14:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Yes, I feel like saying "A pox on both their houses" . . . except that these days, someone would probably take it as a terroristic threat . . . >> Or try to sell you the new and improved lemon freshened Pox in the large economy sized box. William Taylor -- "Ronn on the list, Ronn on the list, ninty nine emails from Ronn..." ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 10:41:57PM -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: > At 04:28 AM 11/2/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: > > >Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? > > > Do you have any idea how arrogant _your_ post sounds? > Do you have any idea howudo you have any idea how to make a really good chocolate chip cookie? -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 06:29 PM 11/1/02, William Taylor wrote: In a message dated 11/1/2002 5:01:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Here in PA we lost two seats, we've been losing at least two seats every ten years since 1950 when we had 32. The main problem is the big cities are losing the people but they still have enough to force the big rural districts to be even bigger to balance the population. >> And thank you from Arizona for those 2 seats every ten years. Arizona has a district, the second, gerrymandered by governmental decree. The Hopi Nation does not vote in the same district as the Navajo Nation. So the Hopi reservation in district two stands out like a yo-yo on the end of its string. And then there are the districts which by federal court order have to be drawn so as to be "majority minority" districts so as to assure the election of a representative of a certain race . . . regardless of whether that person has any qualifications other than the correct skin color. --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Does anyone know R'lyehian?
At 07:12 PM 11/2/02, Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: Alberto asked: > My daughter is uttering sounds in a language that > must be the mother-tongue of the Spawn of Cthlulhu: > > Aserejé, ja deje tejebe tude jebere > sebiunouba majabi an de bugui an de buididipí > > Does anyone know what this means? Is is somehow > connected to the Orbital Mind Laser Satellites? (1) It's not R'lyehian - too many vowels. (2) You ever read the Ray Bradbury story "Zero Hour"? Read it, then go hide. Peek-A-Boo Maru --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
At 02:48 PM 11/1/02, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: > .command of Ron on Jeroen's sig. And second to Adam's respons to my first That should have been ... comment of Ron on D'oh. :o) Sonja Who's Ron? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 02:06 PM 11/1/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: who is extremely grateful that Kia (12 yr-old cat) only *vocally* expressed his displeasure with the necessity of 'hot-packing' his abcess, rather than resorting to armed resistance ^..^ Aargh. How did he pick that up? For a cat who loved everybody (his best friend was the neighbor's dog), Andy somehow got into his fair share of fights with other cats, several of which resulted in injuries whose extent remained hidden under his thick coat (though he was of no particular breed, he could pass for a Maine Coon) until they had developed into nice abscesses . . . --Ronn! :) , D.J. =^.^= , and Midnight =^.^= , Spot (1992-96), and Andy (1989-99) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water conservation
At 12:44 PM 11/1/02, William Taylor wrote: In a message dated 11/1/2002 11:16:49 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Not if they shower with a member of the opposite-to-their-sexual-preference sex. >> Are there that many prisons in Australia? Had that question been posed some two centuries ago or so, wouldn't the answer have been "Just one."? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: hrw: suicide bombing crimes againt humanity
At 04:52 AM 11/1/02, The Fool wrote: http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/11/01/human.rights.palestinians/ind ex.html Human Rights Watch: Suicide bombers guilty of war crimes GAZA CITY (CNN) -- Those who plan and carry out suicide bombings that deliberately target civilians are guilty of crimes against humanity and must be brought to justice, a leading humanitarian watchdog group said in a report released Friday. The 170-page report from New York-based Human Rights Watch assessed the suicide bombing operations of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the groups that have claimed responsibility for most recent suicide bombings. The report says the leaders of such groups should face criminal investigation. So how long until someone does something about it and brings the Palestinian leaders to justice? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Aside
At 09:54 PM 10/31/02, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:50 PM Subject: Aside Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record > Ritu Ko wrote: > > > Ritu > > GCU Still Sleepy > > GSV Is 9am Too Early To Call It A Day And Go Back To Bed? > > No, but 10AM is a perfectly acceptable hour to begin a nap. :) > > Julia > > trying to gauge when to haul someone upstairs, plunk him into pajamas > and start the just-before-bed routine -- probably should have been 15 > minutes ago You still do that with Dan? How sweet. :-) I would have thought that particular routine would involve plucking him _out_ of his pajamas . . . --Ronn! :) Ducking Maru I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
At 09:38 PM 10/31/02, Ritu Ko wrote: GCU Still Sleepy GSV Is 9am Too Early To Call It A Day And Go Back To Bed? "Sunrise is Nature's way of telling you it's bedtime." --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Great Security Panic
At 12:52 PM 10/31/02, The Fool wrote: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/10/29/184031/40 The Great Security Panic (Op-Ed) By mingofmongo Thu Oct 31st, 2002 at 07:07:22 AM EST After a good solid 40+ years of handing our credit card info to minimum-wage workers at stores that don't shred anything and often throw out this info in dumpsters in the alley - we are now taking a rather inexplicable interest in the security of information that is strongly encrypted from end to end. Do we really need more security in home computers, and on the net in general, or is this just a bunch of greedy nerds trying to flex their geek-muscles in public? Is this a legitimate concern, or just sheep being fattened up for the slaughter? Is my sarcasm coming through, or are you really unsure of my stance on the issue? Observe two criminals. Each one wants your stuff. Criminal A is sitting at home in his underwear staring at a computer monitor. Criminal B is sitting in a van across the street from your house. A has to gain access to the network your computer is often on. This may or may not be easy. Best case (for A) is that he is on the same 'last mile' as you and is simply there with you. Worst case is that he has to hack his way across several networks to a machine on your network. B just waits until you aren't home. A's options at this point are to try to get into your machine, or just sniff your network traffic. Breaking into your machine requires either guessing authentication info from things A knows about you or by analyzing network traffic in hopes of getting some info, or by making use of a security hole (bug) that may or may not exist on your system, and may or may not have been fixed. If A is really sneaky, he may try to trick you into installing something that makes his job easier, but you need to be really stupid for this. B's options are: pick a lock, break a window or break a door with a big hammer. A must take care to clean all logs on each machine he has used in this process, and any logging routers he passes through if he wants to cover his trail adequately. B should wear gloves, and keep his visit short. A will learn the contents of your grocery list, the love letters you wrote to your bosses wife, all those digital camera photos of your cat You mean "A" is one of the at most three people in the world with access to a computer to whom I haven't already sent multiple photos of my cats? and if you are really dumb, he may get a credit card number. He may or may not get the expiration date, which makes it useful. If A just sniffs the network, he will get those love letters again, the cat photos you sent to your cousin, and a big garbled mess of encrypted data from your last Internet purchase. If A is skilled, and has a fast machine, he might crack this encryption over a period of 10-20 months if at all, and then you may be out the $50 you are responsible for in case of fraud. Meanwhile, B has just stolen your computer, your jewelry, the mad-money in the soup can, your DVD collection and your favorite velvet Elvis painting. Not surprisingly, more people have more stuff stolen from them in real life than on-line, by a very wide margin. The fact is, if you aren't a complete schmuck, you have very little to loose to a hacker as long as you don't keep important data on your machine, and you don't send it insecurely. You have absolutely no need for "palladium" or any other heavy metals to protect data you are not being careless with. The fact is, you are not even a target. You, as a normal computer user, are the most un-interesting person on earth to a hacker. You don't have anything they want. There is not likely anything they can use or learn from on your machine. You do not likely have any porn Not even kitty porn! that they can't get for free on Usenet. They don't want your financial info, when they can go dumpster diving for 20 or 30 cardz in a night. The answer is not draconian security measures that you will not benefit from at all. Simply put, To defend against "A", you need PGP. To defend against "B", you need S&W. The answer is to use the same logic that keeps you from eating food you find laying in the street. At some point, you were probably taught that it is bad to eat candy-bars you find laying on the ground. At some slightly later point, you realized that this was good advice. I'm betting that the vast majority of my gentle readers do not on a regular basis, eat food they find laying in the street. You just don't do it. There is no intestinal security device that keeps you from putting trash in your mouth - you just don't do it. However, a sufficient quantity of EtOH can quite effectively circumvent that intestinal security device . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/li
Re: Server mish mash
At 06:27 AM 10/30/02, Erik Reuter wrote: Have I been dinging too much? :-) I dunno. Have you been leaning on a doorbell button? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
At 04:28 AM 11/2/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you have any idea how arrogant _your_ post sounds? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 07:14 AM 11/2/02, Kevin Tarr wrote: Question: What da 'ell else interstate is there to drive on? If there were interstate dirt roads and interstate monorails and interstate skateboard ramps, then I could see the need for the word highway to diferentiate one interstate system from another. But dere ain't. Oh the stentorian sayings and the sanctimony of the ceremonious soothsayers in their sweatbanded Stetsons. They use the word highway because they are the Lonestar State, and proud of their independence and all dem other 49 states am wrong. William Taylor Along the same lines: It's an ATM, not an ATM machine which would be Automatic Teller Machine machine. Nor is there an HIV virus . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Report: Iran detained one of bin Laden's sons
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/11/02/binladen.son.ap/index.html Iranian security forces have detained one of Osama bin Laden's sons among several hundred people suspected of links to the al-Qaida terror network, the Financial Times reported on its Web site Saturday. Citing an unidentified Iranian official, the newspaper said Iran had handed bin Laden's son over to authorities in either Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. The paper, which does not appear on Sundays, planned to publish the story in its Monday edition, said spokesman Gregory Roth. The newspaper's report could not be independently verified. In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Anne Marks said, "We are aware of the report and are looking into it." Bin Laden has at least 23 children by several wives. One of the oldest, Saad bin Laden, who is about 22, has emerged as an al-Qaida leader and one of America's top two dozen targets in the network. Mohammed and Ahmed bin Laden also support their father's efforts, U.S. officials say. The official quoted by the Financial Times did not identify the son he said was detained. He reportedly said the man was captured with a group of people suspected of having links to al-Qaida as they fled Afghanistan. The paper quoted Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi as saying the group numbered about 250 and that all the suspects had been returned to their home countries. He did not identify any of them. The anonymous official was also quoted as saying he believed bin Laden was dead. U.S. officials have repeatedly said they do not know if the alleged architect of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on America is dead or alive. xponent The Gathering Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 02:59 PM 11/2/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > << > Debbi > who is extremely grateful that Kia (12 yr-old cat) > only *vocally* expressed his displeasure with the > necessity of 'hot-packing' his abcess, rather than > resorting to armed resistance ^..^ > = ~ = >> > A hot packed cat brings to me a vision of a tiny > pinstriped suit and a tiny shoulder holster. > > William Taylor > - > Catnip for me and da boyz... Miniature mri? (?sp - last read that _many_ years ago) And what would the Kzinti have made of "The Book," as Bella Oxmyx referred to it (IIRC)? "Da boy" was *extremely* annoyed with me this AM, as the vet had to lance an abcess pocket At least Andy never seemed to mind the vet working on him. (oh, eeuww!). My reaction, too, at seeing a teaspoonful or more of "stuff" get squeezed out after the lancing on more than one occasion (sometimes more than once on the same injury) . . . --Ronn! :) The Biggest Boil Treatment Ever Attempted Was Lancing Michigan Maru I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dogs and Uplift
At 11:19 PM 11/1/02, Julia Thompson wrote: There was something from DB at some point about why the dogs weren't part of the uplifted species on Earth. Something about them being uplifted to where they could finally open doors, and then door technology changed drastically, and this affected their emotional well-being or something. If anyone could provide the exact quote, or tell where it is for interested parties to look up, that would be great. I'm a bit fried right now, for a number of reasons, including the following. If we have the dogs outside and want to *keep* them outside (or at least keep the darn door closed) we have to lock the outside door now. Our outside doors in this new house all have levers, and this past week, the dogs figured out how to open at least one of them to come inside. Sigh. My cats clearly understand what the doorknob is for and how it works. Thank goodness they don't have opposable thumbs . . . Then there was Spot who stood beside the door and very clearly said "Ot?" --Ronn! :) , D.J. =^.^= , and Midnight =^.^= , Spot (1992-96), and Andy (1989-99) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 10:14 PM 11/1/02, Kevin Tarr wrote: I'd love to vote Lib, but they see WAY out there, haven't heard a coherent Lib yet. Saw a PSA from a Lib today and he said the countries problems were all tied to the banking system! A lot of my problems are tied to the banking system. Specifically, that very little of the money in the banking system is in my account . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 07:51 PM 11/1/02, Julia Thompson wrote: How many people are voting in a tight Senate race this year? I'm not sure. I know that Massachusetts has been electing a tight Senator every six years for the past 33+ years . . . --Ronn! :) Chappaquidick Maru I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 07:41 PM 11/1/02, Julia Thompson wrote: "John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 11:10 AM 11/1/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: > >I went and did early voting this morning. > > Out of curiosity, given the events of the last two years, did you at all > consider the risk that your candidate might die between now and Tuesday, > thus invalidating your vote?In other words, in your mind, does the > benefit of voting early outweigh the risk of losing your vote - or did you > simply not assess this risk? The risk of something coming up between now and closing of the polls on Tuesday that might prevent me from voting on Tuesday weighed more heavily in my calculations than the risk of the death of a candidate between now and then. Two years ago, I had hellacious morning sickness. On one of my better days, we went and did early voting, which was just as well, as I was having a bad day on election day. On Election Day in 1992, two out of three cars were on the fritz, and the other was in use, so I had to walk to the polling place I was assigned to then (a National Guard armory). On the way, though, I got a bonus: as I was passing a clump of trees and high grass, a skinny little black-and-white cat limped out and adopted me by sitting in front of me and meowing and refusing to let me pass . . . With that experience relatively fresh in my mind, I figured early voting was a better option. Additionally, my re-registration at the new address never was processed by the county, so it was either vote early on this side of IH-35, or drive 35 minutes on election day to cast my ballot. As *Dan's* re-registration *was* properly processed (highly irritating, as both of them had been together in the postal clerk's hand last time I saw them!), the only way for us to both go together to vote was to do early voting. > >I voted for at least 1 candidate of each party represented on my > >ballot. (And I did a write-in.) :) (No, there were no Reform Party > >candidates, just Rep.s, Dem.s, Lib.s and Greens.) > > Also out of curiosity, and I will try to say this as nicely as possible - > do you think that it is a point of merit that you distributed your votes > across four different parties? Actually, this is two questions: > 1) Do you consider it absolutely more good to have voted for candidates of > four different parties, than to have voted for candidates of only three, > two, or one party? I consider it better than voting straight ticket, anyway; my impression of "straight ticket" voters is that they depend on a political party to make all their decisions for them. I know that isn't fair, as many of them vote in the primary. I have on occasion found that I have voted a straight ticket without setting out to do so: just that the best/least objectionable candidates all turned out to be in one party . . . Mostly, I find it eclectic. > 2) Did you mention this because you expect people to look more favorably > upon you for having voted for candidates of four different parties? More an announcement that you can't stick me in any sort of political box and expect me to stay in it. Despite occasional requests for contributions from parties with offers to make me a card-carrying party member, I remain unaffiliated with any party, as I don't agree completely with any of them. Like Julia, apparently, I try to learn about the candidates and pick the one that I agree with most -- or at least find least objectionable. > I'm really not trying to be rude - but am trying to make an honest > assessment of your value judgements. > > >If you are registered to vote in the US, be sure you vote on Tuesday > >(unless you do early voting like I did). I don't care about *who* you > >vote for; even if you're in my precinct (which I don't think anyone is, > >unless there's a lurker living close by), or just in my state, and you > >vote against every single candidate I voted for, you should take > >advantage of your right to vote and have some sort of say in who > >represents you in your government. > > Allow me to second that with a reservation. If you live in the United > States, please take the time to learn about the candidates in Tuesday's > election and vote. And if you live in the United States have learned > nothing about the candidates in Tuesday's elections by Tuesday, please do > not vote in the elections. One of the reasons my voting was so varied was because I looked at all the candidates, their records, their positions, and found that I was most in agreement with a Green in one or two cases, most in agreement with a Democrat in a number of others, most in agreement with a Republican in some others, and most in agreement with a Libertarian in one or two. (The write-in was in the governor's race. I'm disgusted by the whole campaign to date; later, I heard on the radio that both major-party candidates had pulled their really negative ads, maybe because they were backfiring, and had only run posit
Re: How's the weather out there? Re: I'm just getting burned out.
At 10:50 AM 11/2/02, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn Blankenship wrote: > How's the temperature there? That's the other thing I'm washing: warm > stuff to wear outside at night. Wednesday night, we had about an hour of > the clearest skies we've had on a lab night all semester. Then the clouds > rolled in almost as fast as they do in one of those time-lapse film > sequences . . . The temperature is not going to get as far up as 60F today. Same here. The temperature will be right around 50F tonight, with cloudiness and some humidity and possibly showers. Which we are scheduled to get Monday and Tuesday. And I'm supposed to be doing some sort of crawl this evening for a bachelorette party for a close friend's younger sister, and I'm not looking forward to this evening's weather for *that*. (At least it'll be downtown Austin, where it probably won't be as windy as it gets out here, and it ought to be just a *little* warmer, anyway.) Possibly dumb question: what's a "crawl" in the context of a bachelorette party? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A Halloween Story
At 09:49 AM 10/31/02, Horn, John wrote: A Halloween Story > > [snip] > Don't blame me. It was sent to me by someone at work. - jmh This is the second list I have received it from (with minor differences). Maybe the new generation on the Internet have never heard this joke? I first heard it at least 30-some-odd years ago . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
At 10:17 AM 10/31/02, Julia Thompson wrote: Dan Minette wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: Some things are too good to last > > > Dan Minette wrote: > > > > > > I hit reply on a post from Sonja, and it went to her instead of the > list. > > > That's the first time that's happend to me. Anyway, here it is. > > > [great snippage] > > > I do not see how you can ask someone to have ignored your husbands > threats > > > to people's livelihoods. > > > > I haven't seen any evidence that he's about to put that sort of negative > > information up; all he's done this week is indicate displeasure with the > > list with his .sig. > > I agree, and that's fair enough. I know that Jeroen's recent responses to > me have been much easier to deal with. He has strongly pushed his points, > but has kept the conversation on topic. Yes, he has ignored some of my > questions, but in my head I just assume that he doesn't have a good answer > for those questions right now. I've seen other posters delay answers to > certain questions until they are happy with responses. > > But, Adam brought up an example of a past threat, and I was responding to > Sonja's response to that, etc. That threat no longer seems operative, > which is very good, but it is a reasonable example of a threat that could > not have been ignored. Fair enough. I just prefer not to drag up negative things from the past if it can be avoided. > > I think that on the basis of this one .sig file change, some people are > > overreacting. > > My reaction was at the time was "please let this not be the start of a > pattern." It doesn't appear to be, Jeroen seems to write lotsa different > things in the .sig file. Right. I just took it as momentary frustration (keeping in tone with the rest of the post!) rearing its head, and might have glossed over it altogether if it hadn't been pointed out. Rob, if you're going to point out stuff in Jeroen's .sig file, can you point out the good things, too? I'm liable to miss those, as well. :) > >If he actually modifies content on his website to reflect > > this negativity, that's another matter entirely, but he hasn't done a > > damn thing to it this week as far as I can tell. All he has done is > > modify his .sig file. Lighten up, guys, would ya? > > I have no problem with the .sig. However, I didn't respond to Sonja's > first comment that the original protest of Gautam, myself, and others was > just paranoia because I was willing to let things lie and because I allowed > a bit of hyperbola by someone who was subjected to a number of rude emails. > (That of course was wrong.) > > However, after it became a repeated theme for Sonja; I decided to respond. > I have no problems with Jeroen put in his sig. I have a significant > problem with any credible threat of RL consequences. That is not paranoia. > Indeed, my issue is with Sonja's posts, not Jeroen's sigs. I differ with > them and thus write a rebuttal. No hard feelings. Indeed, a casual perusal > of my posting patterns indicates that I do tend to write rebuttals for > posts I differ with, even when they are written by people I like. :-) Yes, you do. Actually, I expected nothing less from you when I hit "send". And I'd like to take the opportunity to let you know that I appreciate the cordial tone of your response to me. One thing I find interesting, going over this thread: All responses spawned by that one post of Jeroen's that come through as being part of the thread as threaded by Netscape come either from people in Jeroen's town in The Netherlands, or people who live in Texas within 3 hours' drive of each other. Does this mean anything, or is it coincidental? :) Julia waiting for a response from someone not fitting either geographical category now That the rest of us have decided to stay out of it? -- Ronn in Birmingham, AL :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dinging plans (was RE: test)
At 09:50 AM 10/31/02, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Jean-Louis Couturier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: RE: Dinging plans (was RE: test) > De : Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [mailto:prutje@;softhome.net] > > > Male whore, interesting idea. I always thought those were called play boy. > :o) > > If ever you work in close contact with marketing, look at some of > the people gravitating around the director or VP. > A friend of mine has a quote that was considered to be very true by his colleagues. "It's not just the oldest profession, its the only profession." And does your friend consider himself a professional person? ;-P --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
At 08:12 AM 10/31/02, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: RE: Question for everyone > > Dan Minette wrote: > > > > Of course, all this is strictly imho. > > > > > > > Well, not to be argumentative, but I think it is impho. > > Okay, I'll bite... > > P - Personal? > In Many People's Humber Opinion. "Humber"? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
At 11:11 PM 10/30/02, Dan Minette wrote: Well, not to be argumentative, but I think it is impho. ??? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test: questions & comment
At 04:02 PM 10/30/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Julia wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > --- Julia wrote: > > > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm trying to find out what the problem is: I > just got > > > > Sonja's post on this, but Jim's was already in > my inbox before lunch, so clearly others received > > > it in timely fashion. > > > > > > > Question: Do longer posts take longer to reach > you? > > > > No. > > Evil Gremlins Of Silicon Maru > > OK, there went my *simple* explanation of what might > have been happening. :P > > Is it just today, or is this a regular occurrence? It's been going on for about 4-5 days, I think. I'll ask the office computer tech what rituals - I mean, procedures - I should try. ;) And if they tell you that you need a goat and a sharp knife . . . ? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: news: Iraq Sets an Example in Computerizing Its National Elections
At 07:29 AM 11/1/02, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Russell Chapman wrote: > (so what does FIM mean?) > "The End" :-) I've most often seen it written as "Fin". Is "Fim" a Portuguese spelling? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Some things are too good to last
At 03:56 PM 10/30/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Reggie Bautista wrote: > Jean-Louis replied: > >I suggest drinking Halloween floats : > > > >1 part blond beer (eg. lager) with orange coloring > >1 part Guinness which should float on the lager! > > Irish bars here in KC (and presumably elsewhere) > call this either a > half-and-half (if the bottom half is Harp) or a > Black and Tan (if the bottom half is Bass). > > Ahh, the memories! A pint-sized half-and-half in my > right hand, a > double-shot of Bushmills Special Reserve in my left > hand, and a bar full of > drunks singing Irish drinking songs along with Eddie > Delahunt... Those were *really* the days :-) > > Reggie Bautista > Haven't even had a good glass of Mead in the past > year Maru :-( This reminds me of a Halloween ride in 1990: for our pre-ride brunch we had mead, coffee with Bailey's, and mimosas (orange juice & champagne) - with assorted quiches/muffins/fruit to dilute the alcohol! - then set off for the lake. I was one of several to 'kiss the dirt' as none of the horses had participated in a costumed event before (no one was hurt as we were, ahem, 'well-lubricated'), but the real problem came later, when I was holding the reins for another woman to re-mount. Her mare spooked violently at her flapping cape (the scary mask probably didn't help either :P ), reared and leaped into the lake; not having sense enough to drop the reins, I wound up _under_ Magnolia, and finally let go of them when a pastern (the joint right above the hoof) smacked my forehead. [I didn't see it of course, but a steel-shod hoof would have at least cracked my soused head; those on shore said she appeared to stumble before she leaped out of the water - I think she sensed that I was under her and jumped over me...] What's that saying about "watching over fools and idiots?" I haven't ridden, driven or operated any equipment whatsoever with more than a half-glass of wine on-board since. I think I will refrain from making any observations about "dumb animals" . . . especially when it comes to applying that label to any particular one of the participants in that anecdote . . . --Ronn! :) When Are The Lawyers Going To Require Warning Labels On Horses Maru I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: news: Brazil Sets an Example in Computerizing Its National Elections
At 01:38 PM 10/30/02, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Erik Reuter asked:
>
>> Officials were also heartened by statistics indicating
>> that the number of blank and spoiled ballots fell by
>> nearly half, from 18.7 percent in the 1998 general
>> election to 10.7 percent in the first round of
>> voting.
>
> How can you have a "blank" or "spoiled" ballot on the
> computer? Doesn't it check to make sure that you recorded
> at least one vote, and that you
> didn't mess anything up? What accounted for the 10.7 percent?
>
The voting machine has three buttons below the
numerical keyboard: [Blank] [Correct] [Confirm]
So, you have the explicit option to vote [Blank], and then
[Confirm] it.
Or you can enter an invalid number (say, 00 for
President). It will tell you that you are voting
"spoiled" ("null"), but you can [Confirm] it anyway.
So, those 10.7% are people that _chose_ to invalidate
the vote.
Is that anything like giving them a way to vote for "None of the
Above"? (I.e., "I want to do my civic duty and vote, but I don't want any
of these idiots and/or crooks.") If so, what happens if "None of the
Above" happens to get the largest number of the votes cast?
Or does it mean that their vote doesn't count, just as if they stayed home?
--Ronn! :)
I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon.
I never dreamed that I would see the last.
--Dr. Jerry Pournelle
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RE: Happy Diwali
Doug wrote: > The same to you! Thank you. :) > Could you explain to those of us that are unfamiliar with the holiday > what it is all about? Well, Diwali is the biggest festival here in India. It spreads out over two days and all the festivities culminate in a puja, feast and fire-works on the second evening, the new moon night in the lunar month of Kartik. That's tomorrow. :) The puja involves invoking the Goddess of wealth, Laxmi, to reside in the household for another year. All businesses start their new accountbooks and ledgers on this day, after the puja. Homes, offices, cities, towns and villages are cleaned out, re-painted, re-furbished, decorated with flowers, rangolis, and lights. Gifts are exchanged and parties, lunches, picnics and dinners are hosted. The actual days of the festival are reserved for family and close friends. Until I had a family of my own, I never realised how much *work* it can be. :) But it's fun. :) And as for the obligatory myth behind it, the reason why a moonless night in the month of kartik was chosen as the day every corner, every street, every house would be lighted up - well, it is supposed to be the day Rama returned back to Ayodhya with Sita and Laxman, after a 14 year exile. So, they say, the people of Ayodhya rejoiced at the return of their king and they celebrated for months at end. And since that day, almost 10 millennia ago, each year, the people of this land commemorate that day and its underlying message - that joy inevitably follows sorrow. Ritu GCU Happy Diwali ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Happy Diwali
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Re: Happy Diwali
Ritu Ko wrote: A very happy Diwali to all of you. :) Ritu ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l The same to you! Could you explain to those of us that are unfamiliar with the holiday what it is all about? Doug Who read a little bit on the web but would like to know more. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Happy Diwali
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Week 9 Picks
I went a solid 9-5 last week to go 69-47 (.594) on the season. Even better, the Michael Vick and the Atlanta Falcons came through on the Upset special, which moves to 3-5. Baltimore (+7) at Atlanta - The Falcons remain inexorably Super Bowl bound. Pick: FALCONS, but take the points on virtue of Atlanta's inconsistency and the Balitmore defense. Tennessee (+3) at Indianapolis - Oddly, the way Edgerrin James has been playing, the Colts may be a better team without him. Pick: COLTS and to cover Cincinnati (+3) at Houston - Everyone is jumping a little too hard on the anti-Bengals bandwagon, and is forgetting that this is still an NFL team. Sure, the Bengals are on the road, but when you are as bad as the Bengals are, getting away from the boo-birds at the home field is often a positive. Plus, they have guaranteed a win - and I'm inclined to believe them. Pick: BENGALS UPSET SPECIAL! Yeah, I took the Bengals again - so I lied! NY Jets (+7.5) at San Diego - Here's a battle between what I thought was the best team in the AFC before the season, and the team which I think is the best team in the AFC right now. I still insist that the Jets are better than they look, even after collapsing like the awful turf conditions at the Meadowlands last week, which nullified their team speed. Still, the Chargers really are good, are at home, and coming off of the Bye. Pick: CHARGERS, but take the points, as the Bolts haven't blown anybody out yet this year. Dallas (+3) at Detroit - This is a really lousy team, but for anyone who doesn't think that QB's are important, just loook at what "Heisman Joey" has done for these guys. Pick: LIONS and to cover San Francisco (+3) at Oakland - When the Raiders came to Buffalo, and won - thereby annoiting themselves as the best team in football, and sending Bills fans everywhere rending their garments about how the Bills defense was killing this team, I pointed out that the Raiders defense didn't look like any great shakes in that game either. Yes, the Raiders are reeling and ready for the bounce-back, but the 49'ers are recovering from a tough road loss as well, their offense is clicking, and their defense is just plain better. Pick: 49'ERS Minnesota (+7.5) at Tampa Bay - Tony Dungy is no longer around to have Dennis Green's number - oops he's gone too, but I still say that the Vikings wilt in Tampa... as the Bucs offense starts to eeirly resemble the Super Bowl Ravens offense of old. Pick: BUCCANEERS, and to cover St. Louis at Arizona (+3.5) - Kurt Warner's homeworld has apparently groomed Marc Bulger to replace their St. Louis field agent. Yes, the Cardinals played for first place last week, and don't you just have the feeling that the same-old Cardinals are just around the corner? Pick: RAMS and to cover New England (+2) at Buffalo - The Bledsoe-Brady-Belicihick Bowl. Yes, the Patriots season is nearly over if they loose this one, but Travis Henry will punish New England's ailing run defense, and the playoff-atmosphere in Buffalo will help propell the Bills and Bledsoe to the win. Pick: BILLS and to cover Washington (+3) at Seattle - The Seahawks nearly had a player die on the football field last week. They should be running on high emotion, and with Washington missing Stephen Davis... Pick: SEAHAWKS, and to cover Philadelphia at Chicago (+5) - The Bears hit a new low in losing to Detroit and Minnesota on consecutive weeks. These guys look ready to mail it in Pick: EALGES and to cover Jacksonville (+3) at NY Giants - Just because these two twams are completely unpredictable. Pick: JAGUARS Pittsburgh at Cleveland (+3) - Warner, Brady, Maddox. Yeah, the shoe fits. Pick: STEELERS and to cover Miami (+4) at Green Bay - The Packers are on a roll, the Fish are playing Ray Lucas who looked horrible two weeks ago, and Cris Carter was just brough in off of the street to start for them its hard to give the Fish a chance in this game, and even though all my alarm bells are screamin "upset waiting to happen" Pick: PACKERS but take the points = - John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "First... to clarify what we stand for: the United States must defend liberty and justice because these principles are right and true for all people everywhere. No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them." -US National Security Strategy 2002 __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Does anyone know R'lyehian?
Alberto asked: > My daughter is uttering sounds in a language that > must be the mother-tongue of the Spawn of Cthlulhu: > > Aserejé, ja deje tejebe tude jebere > sebiunouba majabi an de bugui an de buididipí > > Does anyone know what this means? Is is somehow > connected to the Orbital Mind Laser Satellites? (1) It's not R'lyehian - too many vowels. (2) You ever read the Ray Bradbury story "Zero Hour"? Read it, then go hide. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Silence. I am watching television." - Spider Jerusalem ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Does anyone know R'lyehian?
My daughter is uttering sounds in a language that must be the mother-tongue of the Spawn of Cthlulhu: Aserejé, ja deje tejebe tude jebere sebiunouba majabi an de bugui an de buididipí Does anyone know what this means? Is is somehow connected to the Orbital Mind Laser Satellites? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
In a message dated 11/2/2002 1:53:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << > >Question: What da 'ell else interstate is there to drive on? > > > >If there were interstate dirt roads and interstate monorails and interstate > >skateboard ramps, then I could see the need for the word highway to > >diferentiate one interstate system from another. > > What about interstate commerce, interstate law enforcement, or, I don't know, interstate bowling leagues? Those aren't highways. -- Matt >> Radio helicopter report: There is a large lane tie up on IBL-5 Yup, I can see where that could be confusing. Texas is superior. William Taylor - That Hoon's not going bowling. He's got a sore throat and he's carrying a throat lozenge. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NFL Realignment Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for therecord
In a message dated 11/2/2002 2:03:14 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << As it is, Baltimore and Pittsburgh are natural I-70 rivals, Baltimore and Cleve >> That's IH-70 rivals if you want it to be grammatically corr--- SPLAT! Arrrgh! Damn. I'm not supposed to eat this much cream pie. Crossposting for humor, William Taylor Why did JDG use a cream pie? It was a weapon of mirth derision. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
In a message dated 11/2/2002 1:59:45 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << And what would the Kzinti have made of "The Book," as Bella Oxmyx referred to it (IIRC)? >> Something to sharpen their claws on? >From the picture in Contacting Aliens, if and when we ever do get a storyline back on Earth, and if we had the wild plot contrivance of aliens participating in a Halloween party, then the Synthian would look good in a pinstripe suit and a small Wazoon could be hidden inside the violin case. William Taylor - Don't mention the Untouchables in front of the Dorrvi. They can't scratch their own backs and you don't want to drive them insane. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I'm just getting burned out.
--- Ronn Blankenship wrote: > And all that rain arrived here about a day after you > got it. So today I'm > washing, and I actually have mildew on several items > (e.g. a backpack and a > soft briefcase that I've noticed so far) which > wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Mildew: one of the things I _so_ do not miss about Louisiana. At least once I had to leave work to change clothes, because I'd forgotten a load in the dryer overnight and thought I could get away with drying it in the morning, only to find a certain sour scent wafting about my person in the office... First Day Above Freezing In Four Days Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
Matt Grimaldi wrote: > > William Taylor wrote: > > > > >Question: What da 'ell else interstate is there to drive on? > > > > > >If there were interstate dirt roads and interstate monorails and interstate > > >skateboard ramps, then I could see the need for the word highway to > > >diferentiate one interstate system from another. > > > > > What about interstate commerce, interstate law > enforcement, or, I don't know, interstate bowling > leagues? Those aren't highways. You don't drive on any of those. Maybe if it were interstate bowling *alleys* Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 12:53 PM 11/2/2002 -0800 Matt Grimaldi wrote: > >William Taylor wrote: > >> > >> >Question: What da 'ell else interstate is there to drive on? > >> > > >> >If there were interstate dirt roads and interstate monorails and > interstate > >> >skateboard ramps, then I could see the need for the word highway to > >> >diferentiate one interstate system from another. > >> > > > > >What about interstate commerce, interstate law > >enforcement, or, I don't know, interstate bowling > >leagues? Those aren't highways. > > Thank you. > > I can't believe that I didn't immediately point out that the word > "interstate" is an adjective, not a noun! (Obviously colloquialism is > changing this, but in pure English, interstate should be an adjective.) > Thus, Texans seem to be the most grammatically correct. Only in writing. Only in writing. In conversation, it's "the interstate" or "I35." And anyway, I think that the "I" in "IH" actually stands for "interregional", not "interstate". (Can't find confirmation of that at the moment, though. I remember seeing it that way on something official at some point, though.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fwd: Dogs and Uplift
"by way of Robert Zimmerman " wrote: > > In a message dated 11/2/2002 12:16:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >If we have the dogs outside and want to *keep* them outside (or at least > >keep the darn door closed) we have to lock the outside door now. Our > >outside doors in this new house all have levers, and this past week, the > >dogs figured out how to open at least one of them to come inside. Sigh. > > This is a test to see if I can get in through the door by a new lever Made it! :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Fwd: Dogs and Uplift
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Re: water
--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More good reasons to drink distilled water: > > http://ens-news.com/ens/nov2002/2002-11-01-06.asp And even better reasons to support pollution control, use pesticides/herbicides/harsh chemicals sparingly, recycle spent car oil, etc. Organic Garden Maru (cats on squirrel, bird and mouse patrol... =^..^= ) "" "" __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
At 10:32 02-11-2002 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
You're awfully dismissive of something someone's put a lot of time and
energy into.
I am not dismissing the work Giorgis put into studying the UN. What I am
saying is that it sounds awfully arrogant when an amateur claims to have
the One True Answer ("this *is* how " -- notice the emphasis on
the word "is") and then add that the professionals "haven't figured it out
yet".
He could easily have avoided coming across as arrogant, simply by stating
that *in his opinion* "this is how the UNSC will end up", rather than
making it look as if he knows better than all those professionals.
Would you like it if someone dismissed all the work you'd put into
brin-l.com because you're not a professional web designer?
There is one big difference here: Giorgis is not a professional, but
implies that he is superior to the professionals. I am not a professional
web designer, but you will never hear me imply that I am better at web
design than the professionals.
Jeroen "Architectus Websiticum" van Baardwijk
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Re: Question for everyone
At 05:12 AM 10/30/02, Kevin Tarr wrote: At 07:34 PM 10/29/2002 -0800, you wrote: Dan Minette wrote: I'll warn you once. Never ever bandy the the reliability of data and the certainty of observation with someone who has degrees both in science and philosophy. You risk being subjected to a L8 post on the minutia of the philosophy of science. I'm sure we'll all be L8ted when we get that one Doug Sprinting for cover. Can we start a poll on how long it will take for him to write it, when we'll get it? I pick Nov 2nd 3:40pm pst for the send date. 25 Minutes And Counting Maru --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air L3er
At 06:58 PM 10/29/02, William T Goodall wrote: what happened to the Stanley Steamer? It's the name of a local carpet cleaning service? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POST
At 07:44 PM 10/29/02, Jim Sharkey wrote: William Taylor wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > "Ahem." > > > > "Post." > > Ehrum. > > Kellogg's. > > Naw, I'm holding it in Chex. It's a Trix. Get an ax. :) Jim "Keeping the pop culture references a-coming" Sharkey A snappy response that crackles with wit . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
NFL Realignment Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
At 02:45 PM 11/2/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >Well, there are two ways you can go with the Indianapolis vs. Baltimore >thing: > >1) Once Cleveland got a new Browns team, the Ravens were a natural >rival. So the thing to do is put Baltimore in the same division as the >Browns. > >2) Or you could go with geography; it makes a *lot* more sense under >those terms to put Indianapolis with the North, rather than the South, >and Baltimore with the South, rather than the North. > >I think that in many ways, 2) makes a lot more sense. I was practically >choking on Indianapolis being in a South division, myself, until I >analyzed the situation with who was in AFC North, and what rivalries >might want preserving. You actually missed it. Despite Maryland's reputation as being something of a "Southern State", it isn't particularly more "southerly" than Baltimore. In fact, Indianapolis is a better geogrpahic rival for Nashville than Baltimore is. The reason I projected Indianapolis to the North division, however, is that Art Modell is one of the oldest and most-respected NFL Owners, and given the pure vitriol flowing towards him in Cleveland, I figured that he would want to ahve to return to Cleveland as little as possible.I definitely did not anticipate the NFL to actually revel in the developing Cleveland-Baltimore rivalry that the whole Browns-moving debacle produced. I figured that they would actually want to bury the situation. As it is, Baltimore and Pittsburgh are natural I-70 rivals, Baltimore and Cleveland are "realignment rivals", and the deal that permitted the Browns to move to Baltimore requires that the NFL keep Cleveland in the same division as Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. So, that's how it all happened. >But, given that you predicted everything *but* that as soon as the >announcement was made, I'm impressed. Thanks. :) JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 12:53 PM 11/2/2002 -0800 Matt Grimaldi wrote: >William Taylor wrote: >> >> >Question: What da 'ell else interstate is there to drive on? >> > >> >If there were interstate dirt roads and interstate monorails and interstate >> >skateboard ramps, then I could see the need for the word highway to >> >diferentiate one interstate system from another. >> > > >What about interstate commerce, interstate law >enforcement, or, I don't know, interstate bowling >leagues? Those aren't highways. Thank you. I can't believe that I didn't immediately point out that the word "interstate" is an adjective, not a noun! (Obviously colloquialism is changing this, but in pure English, interstate should be an adjective.) Thus, Texans seem to be the most grammatically correct. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > << > Debbi > who is extremely grateful that Kia (12 yr-old cat) > only *vocally* expressed his displeasure with the > necessity of 'hot-packing' his abcess, rather than > resorting to armed resistance ^..^ > = ~ = >> > A hot packed cat brings to me a vision of a tiny > pinstriped suit and a tiny shoulder holster. > > William Taylor > - > Catnip for me and da boyz... Miniature mri? (?sp - last read that _many_ years ago) And what would the Kzinti have made of "The Book," as Bella Oxmyx referred to it (IIRC)? "Da boy" was *extremely* annoyed with me this AM, as the vet had to lance an abcess pocket (oh, eeuww!). Placate With Chicken Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
At 10:32 AM 11/2/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >No, this is a "kid" who just got back from volunteering at a Model UN >conference, who has spent a lot of the past few years thinking about the >UN, and who probably understands about 10 times as much about it as any >of the rest of us here, yourself and myself included. The analysis is >not arrived at in a vacuum, but in the context of discussion with an >awful lot of people who spend a fair amount of time thinking about and >discussing these things. Thank you. Just to clarify: -I have 12 college credits in "United Nations Studies", -Have been an extremely active participant in the "Model United Nations" programs of the United States for 11 years now, which runs simulations of the UN to better learn how the UN actually works and functions -In particular, I have organized educational programs for hundreds of high school students and college students about the United Nations, particularly over the past six years. -Am the author of the 30 page section entitled "Europe and the United Nations" in the United Nations Association of the United States (UNA-USA) _Guide to Delegate Preparation_, published in August of 2002. So thank you, Julia, for pointing out that I actually do know a bit about what I am speaking thanks to the vast amount of reading, discussion, and experience I have related to this topic. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
William Taylor wrote: > > >Question: What da 'ell else interstate is there to drive on? > > > >If there were interstate dirt roads and interstate monorails and interstate > >skateboard ramps, then I could see the need for the word highway to > >diferentiate one interstate system from another. > > What about interstate commerce, interstate law enforcement, or, I don't know, interstate bowling leagues? Those aren't highways. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water conservation
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << > I noticed that golf courses managed to get > exemptions, > and new sod/seed was _still_ being laid in new > subdivisions. :P >> > > What is the percentage of golf courses there that > use tap water instead of reclaimed water? > > Tucson's getting a bit better on this aspect. Some, but I'm not sure - many places that do use reclaimed water post big signs, though (several parks, and a church that I ride by). A friend might be up on that - will see if I can find out. Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 01:20 PM 11/2/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: > >Did you successfully predict which AFC team went over to the NFC? (Just > >curious.) Or was your prediction not as detailed as that? > > Yup, I made my prediction on the day that Houston was awarded the expansion > franchise. The only error in my prediction was that I had Indianapolis > and Baltimore transposed. Well, there are two ways you can go with the Indianapolis vs. Baltimore thing: 1) Once Cleveland got a new Browns team, the Ravens were a natural rival. So the thing to do is put Baltimore in the same division as the Browns. 2) Or you could go with geography; it makes a *lot* more sense under those terms to put Indianapolis with the North, rather than the South, and Baltimore with the South, rather than the North. I think that in many ways, 2) makes a lot more sense. I was practically choking on Indianapolis being in a South division, myself, until I analyzed the situation with who was in AFC North, and what rivalries might want preserving. But, given that you predicted everything *but* that as soon as the announcement was made, I'm impressed. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
At 01:20 PM 11/2/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >Did you successfully predict which AFC team went over to the NFC? (Just >curious.) Or was your prediction not as detailed as that? Yup, I made my prediction on the day that Houston was awarded the expansion franchise. The only error in my prediction was that I had Indianapolis and Baltimore transposed. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 09:02 PM 11/2/2002 +0530 Ritu Ko wrote: > >J. van Baardwijk wrote: > > > >> Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you > >> really believe > >> that you are so intellectually superior to others that you > >> can see things > >> coming that trained professionals with years of relevant > >> experience would miss? > > Well, to back up my point, I did manage to correctly predict the outcome of > the NFL Realignment, several years before it actually happened. Again in > that instance, I predicted the only possible outcome of negotiations - even > before the NFL Owners had actually managed to reach that agreement. Did you successfully predict which AFC team went over to the NFC? (Just curious.) Or was your prediction not as detailed as that? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
At 09:02 PM 11/2/2002 +0530 Ritu Ko wrote: >J. van Baardwijk wrote: > >> Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you >> really believe >> that you are so intellectually superior to others that you >> can see things >> coming that trained professionals with years of relevant >> experience would miss? Well, to back up my point, I did manage to correctly predict the outcome of the NFL Realignment, several years before it actually happened. Again in that instance, I predicted the only possible outcome of negotiations - even before the NFL Owners had actually managed to reach that agreement. Thanks Ritu for pointing out that it was just a discussion. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Silly contest
On a thread which some folks may not have been paying attention to, I offered to send a paperback copy of Kiln People to the first person to guess a certain set of 3 albums (once the book is out in paperback, that is). The information I gave about the 3 albums was thus: One had "Stars and Stripes Forever" One was by R.E.M. One was by Paul Simon I'll give one more hint: The one with "Stars and Stripes Forever" also has the William Tell Overture. :) (This brings down the number of hits on *that* at amazon.com down from 143 to under 30, which may speed things up a bit.) I will not give partial credit, nor will I confirm anything other than a complete correct set. I will not consider more than the first 5 guesses from any one person on any given day. And if you would prefer to contact me off-list, that's fine; I'll just post a list of wrong answers received once a day or so. :) The first response in my inbox that is totally correct wins, and I will announce it as soon as I have had time to read it, compose a reply and send said reply. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
How's the weather out there? Re: I'm just getting burned out.
Ronn Blankenship wrote: > > At 11:34 AM 10/29/02, Julia Thompson wrote: > >I'm still coming off the rough time from last > >week (nothing like being left alone for a week with a small child and > >two dogs who like to dig, at a time when the week fell into a 10-day > >stretch of rain falling every day and very little sunshine for the whole > >time, so it's gloomy and a lot of mud ends up in the house), though, so > >I hope it's a temporary condition in my case. :) > > And all that rain arrived here about a day after you got it. So today I'm > washing, and I actually have mildew on several items (e.g. a backpack and a > soft briefcase that I've noticed so far) which wasn't there a couple of > weeks ago. > > And whenever Midnight went outside, he came back with his fur soaked. > > Thank you. > > ;-P Well, Dan's had to drag Briana into the shower twice since he got back, because she's digging and getting her underside grubby. (At least it's easy to clean up now that she's had her fur trimmed back drastically) You have my sympathy on the mildew. > How's the temperature there? That's the other thing I'm washing: warm > stuff to wear outside at night. Wednesday night, we had about an hour of > the clearest skies we've had on a lab night all semester. Then the clouds > rolled in almost as fast as they do in one of those time-lapse film > sequences . . . The temperature is not going to get as far up as 60F today. The temperature will be right around 50F tonight, with cloudiness and some humidity and possibly showers. And I'm supposed to be doing some sort of crawl this evening for a bachelorette party for a close friend's younger sister, and I'm not looking forward to this evening's weather for *that*. (At least it'll be downtown Austin, where it probably won't be as windy as it gets out here, and it ought to be just a *little* warmer, anyway.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
At 02:29 PM 10/29/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 15:36 28-10-2002 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: Posted by you on 10/27 at 2:12 AM CDT, according to my computer. Yeah, well, that is what your computer says. But your computer is a M$ Windows machine; how much do you trust Bill's Evil Empire? I don't know about Dan's computer, but on this machine neither the mail program nor the program which syncs the system clock with the National Bureau of Standards atomic clock is a M$ product . . . ;-) --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POST
At 04:31 PM 10/29/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << No. Frex, a 2K post from William (13:25 EST) 'arrived' approx. 45-60 min after his 3K post And you'd think that the post written in Y2K would have arrived first, by about 1,000 years . . . --Ronn! :) Okay, I Am Getting Tired And Am Reaching For That One Maru I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test
At 04:31 PM 10/29/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: Well, with all the recent talk on the list of Waves of Bran and cod liver oil, I'm thinking... *do not read if you have a queasy stomach* * * ... a triple-H enema: "high, hot and a hell of a lot!" (slang from at VA hospital days) I see that Debbi is already testing the dunging function of the list . . . --Ronn! :) "Bathroom humor is an American-Standard." ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
At 04:18 PM 10/29/02, Julia Thompson wrote: Dan Minette wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: Question for everyone > > > At 15:43 29-10-2002 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > > >I'll warn you once. Never ever bandy the the reliability of data and > the > > >certainty of observation > > >with someone who has degrees both in science and philosophy. > > >You risk being subjected to a L8 post on the minutia of the philosophy > > >of science. > > > > Nah, I do not believe you would be able to write such a post. You are > > bluffing... :-) > > Well, I've got books on the philosophy of science and a scanner. Can > anyone say "extensive quotes?" N! Not the scanner! IIGH! I suspect Dan's upcoming post will be able to make _anyone's_ head explode . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sillier and sillier Re: Question for everyone
At 04:14 PM 10/29/02, Julia Thompson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 10/29/2002 2:44:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << L8 post on the minutia of the > > philosophy of science. > > Ooh! I want to read this. I hereby bandy the reliability of data and the > certainty of observation!! >> > > L8? How can one read a post that's late and hasn't arrived yet? Heh heh heh. L8 in this case means significantly longer than L3, which is the tag for longish messages. (There's a thread which includes "L3er" in the subject line, meaning "longer than L3.) But I very much like your question. :) > If one is going to bandy the reliability of data and the > certainty of observation, then there will be a certainty of > decreased observation based upon the reliability of the > brandy being served during the observation. Brandy? Where? Oh, never mind, I prefer port, anyway. What if your ISP blocks your preferred port? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Question for everyone
At 03:43 PM 10/29/02, Dan Minette wrote: I'll warn you once. Never ever bandy the the reliability of data and the certainty of observation with someone who has degrees both in science and philosophy. You risk being subjected to a L8 post on the minutia of the philosophy of science. No! Please, no! --Ronn! :) And Students Say Listening To Me Lecture For Four Hours Is Bad Maru I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: test: questions & comment
At 02:32 PM 10/29/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: As for one of the subjects in this post: trying to use someone to "get at" someone else is just plain wrong. And cursing at the first someone (ie. Sonja) is despicable. :( Amen. --Ronn! :) Sometimes A One-Word Reply Is All That Is Needed Maru I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I'm just getting burned out.
At 11:41 AM 10/29/02, Dan Minette wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Three nursing teachers killed at our University Medical Center. The gunman > > makes four. > > > > And my first reaction when the police hold a news conference? > > > > Well, there goes Jeopardy. > > > > Not a very nice thought, but it must be becoming pandemic. > [snip] One of the things that strikes me is how we single out certain deaths for national/international concern. I remember driving by an auto accident a few days after Princess Diana died. There was a car smashed under an 18 wheeler. I cannot imagine how people lived through it. IIRC, 4 people died, but it barely made the local news. Yet, 4 people in Arizona is enough to interrupt regular scheduled programming. Because they were killed with guns, and all guns are EVIL . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I'm just getting burned out.
At 11:34 AM 10/29/02, Julia Thompson wrote: I'm still coming off the rough time from last week (nothing like being left alone for a week with a small child and two dogs who like to dig, at a time when the week fell into a 10-day stretch of rain falling every day and very little sunshine for the whole time, so it's gloomy and a lot of mud ends up in the house), though, so I hope it's a temporary condition in my case. :) And all that rain arrived here about a day after you got it. So today I'm washing, and I actually have mildew on several items (e.g. a backpack and a soft briefcase that I've noticed so far) which wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. And whenever Midnight went outside, he came back with his fur soaked. Thank you. ;-P How's the temperature there? That's the other thing I'm washing: warm stuff to wear outside at night. Wednesday night, we had about an hour of the clearest skies we've had on a lab night all semester. Then the clouds rolled in almost as fast as they do in one of those time-lapse film sequences . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
"J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > > At 20:09 31-10-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: > > >So, there you have it. That *is* how UNSC reform will end up - only the > >professionals haven't figured it out yet. > > Given the absence of smileys, I take it that the above is to be taken > seriously. > > Well, in that case: sheesh, you really are arrogant! > > None of the professionals have "figured it out yet"; the only one who sees > it is a kid with an unrelated low-ranking and low-pay job in the Civil > Service, who graduated so recently that the ink on his diploma is still wet. No, this is a "kid" who just got back from volunteering at a Model UN conference, who has spent a lot of the past few years thinking about the UN, and who probably understands about 10 times as much about it as any of the rest of us here, yourself and myself included. The analysis is not arrived at in a vacuum, but in the context of discussion with an awful lot of people who spend a fair amount of time thinking about and discussing these things. You're awfully dismissive of something someone's put a lot of time and energy into. Would you like it if someone dismissed all the work you'd put into brin-l.com because you're not a professional web designer? I consider your dismissal above to be of the same caliber. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 07:41 PM 11/1/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: > > >> 2) Did you mention this because you expect people to look more favorably > >> upon you for having voted for candidates of four different parties? > > > >More an announcement that you can't stick me in any sort of political > >box and expect me to stay in it. > > Or is it that one simply can't stick you in one of the current political > party boxes and expect you to stay in it? Yeah, that's more like it than anything else that followed in the paragraph I snipped a lot from. :) The other thing is, no one person is going to be a *perfect* match for an ideal. Certain philosophies will gravitate towards certain parties. But someone can be a real bum and be associated with a party you'd be prone to vote for, and the best way to keep the bum out of office if you don't vote in that primary (or your choice was defeated in that primary) is to vote for the opposition, unless the opposition is even worse. In one case, I voted for someone in the Green party because they were the only one running against someone I had voted for in previous elections, but in whose performace I was disappointed once she'd served out a full term. And lastly, the party I feel is more in tune with my personal philosophy isn't one of the big two, but they don't have someone running for every office and they're not likely to get a lot of people elected, so I vote in the primary that is most likely to determine the outcome of the actual election for my county, and vote for candidates in that primary that most closely follow my personal philosophy. Julia > > Anyhow, I suppose that I should clarify this by noting that I am currently > strongly considering voting for Green Party candidates in two or three > races here. I haven't seen much in the way of Libertarians, but that > might produce a third party for me, so I may get to casting votes for three > out of four.. > > JDG > ___ > John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern > them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; > own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of > freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the > duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common > calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. > -US National Security Policy, 2002 > ___ > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
J. van Baardwijk wrote: > Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you > really believe > that you are so intellectually superior to others that you > can see things > coming that trained professionals with years of relevant > experience would miss? > > Puh-lease! Puh-lease! A lot of us were speculating about what might be. Could you kindly read the mails in context of the thread and spare us further demonstrations of the strong emotions JDG rouses in you? I, for one, would really appreciate it. :) And I would also really appreciate it if you could find a way to express your objections without sounding quite so derogatory. Ritu GSV Easy To Please ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: G*overnment Divisions Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 07:50 AM 11/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 07:34:42AM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: > My parents live in: >Country: United States >State:Pennsylvania >County: Montgomery >Township: Upper Providence >Borough/Village: Collegeville >School District: Perkiomen Valley Maybe you can explain something to me that I've never understood. What is the difference between a Township and a Burough/Village/Town? Both in terms of the definition, as well as the practical matters that it entails to those who live there. "Erik Reuter Maybe John was taking a little poetic license. Every place that got incorporated, i.e. became a municipality, is now a borough or a city, officially. Also there are only two official 'towns'. So there is a specific governing body for these population dense areas. The rest of the state is divided into townships. You either have one or the other governing you, not both. (Now services are a separate deal. You can be on a boroughs water line, get served by their police, but you still pay taxes to the township. Within the townships there may be other population dense areas called something, but they are not governed places. Usually they are called villages. The name is mostly for post office designation. Across the river there is a place called Goldsboro, but the post office is called Etters. Another example is Hershey, PA. There is no borough or city called Hershey, it's just the post office name of an area in Derry Township. (It could at least been Dairy Township). A tee shot from me is a place called Royalton. They use my post office and electricity, their township's police. If someone is looking for an address, they better say Royalton before I know to point across the bridge. But otherwise the place doesn't exist. And school districts. They know no county lines. There are 512 school districts in the state, some take up portions of many counties, (67 counties) others are small inside a city. Kevin T. And they all want money money money ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 08:10 02-11-2002 -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote: Kevin T. I shouldn't be here. Then why are you? :-) Jeroen "Just curious" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Some things are too good to last
At 12:44 01-11-2002 -0600, John Horn wrote: > Second, it would not make any difference if I would put such messages > on a website, because those messages are already a matter of public > record (they are available from at least two on-line archives). Last time I checked, neither of those archives shows up when you do a google search. About 15 minutes ago, for an other post, I did a Google search on "Dan Minette"; there were literally dozens of links to the archives at mail-archive.com and Yahoo!Groups. When I did a search on your e-mail address, the first two links point to mail-archive.com. Jeroen "Websearch" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Some things are too good to last
At 12:55 01-11-2002 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > If he uses that sort of methods, he is likely to use other > questionable reasons as well to decide whether or not to fire an > employee (such as "how often does this employee leave his desk to get > some coffee?" and "I am a smoker -- is this employee opposed to > smoking?"). Not the kind of employer *I* would want to work for. To put it bluntly, you are speaking from ignorance. Actually, it is worse: I am speaking from experience. I have seen employers use literally anything to determine whether or not to fire someone. I have even had one employer who kept track of how often I went to the toilet... Not everyone works for the government. Who said anything about working for the government? However, when someone is looking for work, they don't need a question mark by their name. That is usually enough to get someone in the discard pile. Then that person should show such behaviour that such a question mark would not appear in the first place. Everyone is responsible for his/her own actions and the consequences of those actions. I mean, if you had a criminal record, and an employer would decide not to hire you because of that criminal record, would you blame the government for your not-getting-the-job because they keep such records? > Second, it would not make any difference if I would put such messages > on a website, because those messages are already a matter of public record > record (they are available from at least two on-line archives). You know better than that. Its like saying that it makes no difference, given that a needle exists in a haystack in the state of Kansas, that someone offers a service to fetch the needle for someone and place it on their desk. After all, it was in an accessable place. Your analogy is flawed: finding something about FREX you on the Web would be several orders of magnitude easier than finding a needle of which you only know that it is in a haystack somewhere in Kansas. Example: I just did a Google search on "Dan Minette"; Google returned 232 results and only needed 0.18 seconds for it. I challenge you to find a needle in an haystack in Kansas within 0.18 seconds... There are billions upon billions of bytes of information on the www. To set things up so that negative information is selected when someone's name is typed in a search engine is not the same as it being buried in near 100,000 messages of one of hundreds of thousands of mailing lists and newsgroups. Let's assume for a moment that I had put some negative information about you on a website; what would be the odds of an employer selecting that specific link from the hundreds of results a search on your name would generate? Jeroen "You do the crime, you do the time" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
Question: What da 'ell else interstate is there to drive on? If there were interstate dirt roads and interstate monorails and interstate skateboard ramps, then I could see the need for the word highway to diferentiate one interstate system from another. But dere ain't. Oh the stentorian sayings and the sanctimony of the ceremonious soothsayers in their sweatbanded Stetsons. They use the word highway because they are the Lonestar State, and proud of their independence and all dem other 49 states am wrong. William Taylor Along the same lines: It's an ATM, not an ATM machine which would be Automatic Teller Machine machine. Kevin T. Ya hear? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
> I'd love to vote Lib, but they see WAY out there, haven't heard a coherent > Lib yet. Saw a PSA from a Lib today and he said the countries problems were > all tied to the banking system! Most Libertarian arguments are best made in 3-minute segments and not itty-bitty soundbites, I think. (This is off the top of my head and thinking about various Lib arguments I've heard and read.) I've seen some Libertarians make a fair bit of sense in writing. Hm, all my real research (except the reaction to the governor's race) was based on *printed* material Julia These weren't sound bites, my fault for not explaining better. The PBS stations give all local pols four minutes to talk. These are for the local state house and senate seats. Some of the speakers were polished, most weren't. It's not hard to judge. There was a black Republican running to represent a district which is mostly a city. He spoke letter perfect, had clear ideas, probably the best four minutes I've heard in the last month. I didn't know his party until the end when I walked over and looked at he TV. Yet he's way behind in the race because it's a city, +60% Dems. Kevin T. I shouldn't be here. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: List request: Cancer links
Jon Gabriel wrote: >It looks like the Sloan Kettering docs may have caught the tumors >in time. I guess prayers can be answered That's great to hear, Jon. You can't ask for a better hospital when it comes to oncology. At least she has a chance. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dinging plans (was RE: test)
At 07:28 PM 10/31/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >> And Neneh Cherry's song too! > >I'm not familiar with that one, I heard it once in 1989 at an event in downtown Buffalo during the summer, where a pair of amazing jugglers used it as part of their routine. I remembered that I thought that they said that it was called "Buffalo Beat" - and I remember being really excited that the City of Buffalo had such a cool and modern song associated with it. I never came across that song until 12 years later in 2001 and discovered that the title "Buffalo Stance" has *nothing* to do with the City as near I can tell. :) Here's the lyrics: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palace/2009/Buffalo.html Here's a review, which briefly mentions that "Buffalo Stance" is perhaps most remembered for being (the first?) music video featuring a pregnant artist. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: G*overnment Divisions Re: Got back from early voting a littlewhile ago
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 07:34:42AM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: > My parents live in: >Country: United States >State:Pennsylvania >County: Montgomery >Township: Upper Providence >Borough/Village: Collegeville >School District: Perkiomen Valley Maybe you can explain something to me that I've never understood. What is the difference between a Township and a Burough/Village/Town? Both in terms of the definition, as well as the practical matters that it entails to those who live there. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
John D. Giorgis wrote: >>I think NY wins this one: thruways, parkways, freeways, turnpikes, >>interstates. > >Ahem. I grew up in NY State and I *never* heard the word >"turnpike." Its a *thruway.* Perhaps he was adding NJ into the mix, which *does* have a turnpike. And he left off "expressway." :) Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
G*overnment Divisions Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
My parents live in: Country: United States State:Pennsylvania County: Montgomery Township: Upper Providence Borough/Village: Collegeville School District: Perkiomen Valley JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 10:51 PM 11/1/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >Most Libertarian arguments are best made in 3-minute segments and not >itty-bitty soundbites, I think. (This is off the top of my head and >thinking about various Lib arguments I've heard and read.) While true in my experience, these same Libertarian arguments tend to fall apart once you get to 6-minute segments. JDG ;-) ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 07:41 PM 11/1/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >I consider it better than voting straight ticket, anyway; my impression >of "straight ticket" voters is that they depend on a political party to >make all their decisions for them. I know that isn't fair, as many of >them vote in the primary. Exactly. Or they could be people who are just fortunate enough to have a single political party very closely approximate their political views. Indeed, if someone at least did enough research on the election to know that if a candidate is endorsed by a political party, then that candidate is highly likely to approximate one's own political views, then I would say that that someone is substantially ahead of a great many Americans. >> 2) Did you mention this because you expect people to look more favorably >> upon you for having voted for candidates of four different parties? > >More an announcement that you can't stick me in any sort of political >box and expect me to stay in it. Or is it that one simply can't stick you in one of the current political party boxes and expect you to stay in it? Wouldn't it seem that if it was impossible to stick you in *any* definiable political box, then that would simply mean that your political views last consistency? That is, in an ideal world, shouldn't it be possible to design a fictional political party that would usually approximate your political views? Or to put it another way, if there were an infinite number of universe that contained all possible political parties, would we not expect that in at least one of those universes you would be a straight-ticket voter for one of those parties? Anyhow, I suppose that I should clarify this by noting that I am currently strongly considering voting for Green Party candidates in two or three races here. I haven't seen much in the way of Libertarians, but that might produce a third party for me, so I may get to casting votes for three out of four.. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 12:27 AM 11/2/2002 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In a message dated 11/1/2002 9:55:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< >>Now, how about a rant just for the sake of a rant? > >> > >>Why da hell is it I-5 in California, I-10 in Arizona, I-20 in New Mexico, > >>I-12 in Louisiana, I-95 in Maryland, but IH-35 in Texas. > > In NY, its called the *Thruway.* (I-90 at least)Other Interstates are > referred to by the definte article and the number. Example: "Get on the > 81, take it to the 481, etc." > > JDG >> > >Now you see you just proved that Texas is alone. You said Interstate 90. Only >in Texas is that added "highway" always used. On the radio it's "IH 35" and >"IH 20" and "IH 10" and never "I-35" wtc. Although New Yorkers never say "IH" as Texans do, I never used the word "Interstate" as you suggested.I used the "I" notation simpy to explain what is meant by the word "Thruway" in the New York State lexicon. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Got back from early voting a little while ago
At 11:05 PM 11/1/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >> Ahem. I grew up in NY State and I *never* heard the word "turnpike." >> Its a *thruway.* > >What do you call a toll road, then? The Thruway. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
water
More good reasons to drink distilled water: http://ens-news.com/ens/nov2002/2002-11-01-06.asp ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water conservation
At 10:16 01-11-2002 -0800, Matt Grimaldi wrote: > Showering together usually makes the showering time four to ten times > longer O:-) Not if they shower with a member of the opposite-to-their-sexual- preference sex. So, what if you are bisexual? Jeroen "Tough question" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record
At 20:09 31-10-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: So, there you have it. That *is* how UNSC reform will end up - only the professionals haven't figured it out yet. Given the absence of smileys, I take it that the above is to be taken seriously. Well, in that case: sheesh, you really are arrogant! None of the professionals have "figured it out yet"; the only one who sees it is a kid with an unrelated low-ranking and low-pay job in the Civil Service, who graduated so recently that the ink on his diploma is still wet. Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you really believe that you are so intellectually superior to others that you can see things coming that trained professionals with years of relevant experience would miss? Puh-lease! Jeroen "Voting is so much easier with Iraqi democracy" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Water conservation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What do you get when a midget showers with Mae West? > > One dry midget. > > William Taylor > - > I thought I'd just toss this off towards Australia. Careful, Dwarf tossing is illegal in Aus! Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
