Re: ROTK: my mini review
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bryon Daly wrote: - Another nagging gripe is that while characters discuss the growing darkness, it never really gets that dark, and the darkness (or lack thereof) doesn't really have much effect upon the orcs. The purpose of the darkness was _preventing_ the orcs to fight under the Sun, that would seriously handicap them. Yes, I know. I'm saying that it wasn't very dark most of the time (think overcast day), and at the point in the book where the winds change and it's supposed to get lighter out, it's hard to tell if it actually does so in the movie, but in any case, I didn't notice any reaction shown by the orcs to it. _ Grab our best dial-up Internet access offer: 6 months @$9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
David Hobby wrote: Comparing starships from different universes is difficult, to say the least. I think it's impossible. Take the most powerful ship, and it loses to Heinlein's Gay Deceiver, who can jump back to a time _before_ the construction of that other ship and blast its factory out of existence. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Seasonal Puzzle
At 08:04 PM 12/17/2003 -0330 Travis Edmunds wrote: 1. TCS (CROAOF) - Chestnuts Roasting On An Open Fire TCS stands for The Christmas Song. Generic, huh? 10. AF (OCAYF) - Oh Come All Ye Faithful In case anyone was wondering AF is Adeste Fideles. I knew what the AF stood for, but couldn't think of Oh Come all ye Faithful. 30. COCE I still can't figure out COCE. If it were OCOCE, I would say O Come, O Come, Emmanuel. Should we keep looking? Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Excellent That's it. Officially, that should be Come, O Come Emmanuel, which is an Advent Song, not a Christmas Song. Also, Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring isn't really a Christmas song either. More to the point, I disagree with the result of #25. I've never heard ofCaroling, Caroling - but Coventry Carol is probably much more famous. I was also disappointed that one of my very favorite Carols wasn't included, especially since it isn't an easy one: 33. BATJI Some other good ones: 34. AIAM (Nothing to do with AOL.) 35. OIRDC 36. CIC 37. HTHAS 38. AWHHOH (Ho, Ho Ho!) 39. AFTRG 40. TFN 41. E (Very popular among Catholics thanks in large part to the iconic Glory and Praise Hymnal) 42. GRYMG 43. COTB 44. WCIT 45. ISTS 46. CTIH 47. DYHWIH (Probably the easiest one as many of you have probably even seen this abbreviation before. :) 48. DNP 49. MKTHCS 50. THC (No, not a drug, and not by Handel either.) And finally, as a bonus, one of my very, very, favorite Carols: 51. AMN (Hint: Non-English Carol) A double bonus, another song that isn't quite a Carol, but is certainly one of the oldest Christmas songs: 52. OMM Lastly, a triple bonus, a Christmas Carol that is most popular in a culture other than the culture of most Brin-L list members: 53. SGBTJ (Nothing to do with Meyers-Briggs. :) ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:52:10 -0600 LOL Never mind..I'm brain dead tonight. G Without protonsthere is nothing to attract electrons. xponent Proton Bait Maru rob Don't feel bad. Check out my thoughts on gravity and rejoice in the fact that as big a blunder as you might make, there is always someone who outdoes your worst...lol _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:21:04 -0600 At 09:59 PM 12/17/03, David Hobby wrote: Travis Edmunds wrote: How about a Berserker? (Mr. Blankenship should know what that is) Are you saying that it takes one to know one? Er...I don't think so...unless you are a self proclaimed Beserker...? -- Ronn! :) who seldom hears Mr. Blankenship except from students or from people who are trying to sell him something . . . lol Well I figured Ronn was a little too informal. Also figured a Beserker would be right up your alley seeing as how it's old school sci-fi. As for me trying to sell you something...wanna buy my marble collection? -Travis trying to lose his marbles Edmunds. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:13:50 + David Hobby wrote: Comparing starships from different universes is difficult, to say the least. I think it's impossible. Take the most powerful ship, and it loses to Heinlein's Gay Deceiver, who can jump back to a time _before_ the construction of that other ship and blast its factory out of existence. Alberto Monteiro It's not impossible. It is difficult and only accurate in relation to one's conjectures, but impossible is too strong a word. Also if the Gay Deceiver has that ability, it simply must be excluded. It's a matter self moderation really, similar to this list. _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
Lets play a little game. I'll start things off by throwing a riddle on the table. The first person to correctly answer the riddle has the privilege of posting a riddle of their own. This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, but he couldn't get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get? _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Formality Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:21:04 -0600 -- Ronn! :) who seldom hears Mr. Blankenship except from students or from people who are trying to sell him something . . . lol Well I figured Ronn was a little too informal. Also figured a Beserker would be right up your alley seeing as how it's old school sci-fi. As for me trying to sell you something...wanna buy my marble collection? -Travis trying to lose his marbles Edmunds. Well, we tend toward the informal here, and it's actually Ronn!, not Ronn. :) (Took me awhile to get that, myself.) In general, look how folks refer to themselves and how other people refer to them, and take that as your lead for what to call someone. Julia and you *really* don't have to call me Mrs. Thompson here ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
In a message dated 12/18/2003 11:27:45 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lets play a little game. I'll start things off by throwing a riddle on the table. The first person to correctly answer the riddle has the privilege of posting a riddle of their own. This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, but he couldn't get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get? A sense of accomplishment William taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: an irksome Amazon comment
Well I haven't digested Life Eaters as of yet, so strictly speaking I cannot render an opinion of my own other than what I have formulated based on the many a dissertation of other people. What I can render however (though it goes against db's opinionthe opinion of the WRITER) is my understanding of the writer/reader relationship in relation to Life Eaters and the irksome Amazon comment. The beauty of the written word is that people can draw their own conclusions, their own interpretations. They can read between the lines of what someone has written and come up with an entirely different point of view than what the author had intended. Does this mean that the reader is wrong? Of course not! The readers' point of view is just as valid as that of the authors; that's the beauty of it all. Now I understand that this blurs the line of the topic being discussed. Especially since db vehemently denies that Life Eaters is an anti-religion polemic. However this doesn't mean that the reviewer is completely wrong. It's just his/her opinion of some notions picked up whilst reading the book. If those notions are there for a reader to find, it's only logical that the reader will extrapolate on them in their mind, in order to efficiently read between the lines. And while religion is embedded in this discussion, let me say this: if people didn't draw their own conclusions on religion; conclusions that were entirely different from what the propagating person/people intended, then we wouldn't have as many religions (though they serve no purpose other than moral institutions) that are so close to so many people's hearts. The same goes for our collectively beloved literature. -Travis who would challenge the god's themselves Edmunds. _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:18:01 EST In a message dated 12/18/2003 11:27:45 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, but he couldn't get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get? A sense of accomplishment William taylor Not exactly.lol -Travis _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Formality Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Formality Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:37:04 -0600 Well, we tend toward the informal here, and it's actually Ronn!, not Ronn. :) (Took me awhile to get that, myself.) In general, look how folks refer to themselves and how other people refer to them, and take that as your lead for what to call someone. Julia and you *really* don't have to call me Mrs. Thompson here Thanks Mrs. Thomps...er I mean Julia... _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Formality Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Formality Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:37:04 -0600 Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:21:04 -0600 -- Ronn! :) who seldom hears Mr. Blankenship except from students or from people who are trying to sell him something . . . lol Well I figured Ronn was a little too informal. Also figured a Beserker would be right up your alley seeing as how it's old school sci-fi. As for me trying to sell you something...wanna buy my marble collection? -Travis trying to lose his marbles Edmunds. Well, we tend toward the informal here, and it's actually Ronn!, not Ronn. :) (Took me awhile to get that, myself.) In general, look how folks refer to themselves and how other people refer to them, and take that as your lead for what to call someone. Julia and you *really* don't have to call me Mrs. Thompson here How about ListMistress? :-D Jon who will wisely keep his mouth shut about the Babes of Brin-L idea maru Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Formality Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Formality Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:37:04 -0600 Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:21:04 -0600 -- Ronn! :) who seldom hears Mr. Blankenship except from students or from people who are trying to sell him something . . . lol Well I figured Ronn was a little too informal. Also figured a Beserker would be right up your alley seeing as how it's old school sci-fi. As for me trying to sell you something...wanna buy my marble collection? -Travis trying to lose his marbles Edmunds. Well, we tend toward the informal here, and it's actually Ronn!, not Ronn. :) (Took me awhile to get that, myself.) In general, look how folks refer to themselves and how other people refer to them, and take that as your lead for what to call someone. Julia and you *really* don't have to call me Mrs. Thompson here How about ListMistress? :-D snort If that's what you want to call me, I won't try to stop you. Jon who will wisely keep his mouth shut about the Babes of Brin-L idea maru Hey, anything that'll make me feel a little better about the current state of my body is *fine* with me. :) BTW, in adding various books about raising twins to my amazon.com wishlist, I ended up with a bunch of baby- and pregnancy-related books in my recommendations, including one titled _From Baby to Bikini_. I have that one now, and am going through it once to figure out where I need to start, and then it's a regimen of ab-toning exercises for me every other day for awhile. (And at some point I really ought to start using the Bowflex again; just doing the arm and shoulder exercises for a month will probably do wonders.) So that's a good thing about amazon.com Julia the weirdest amazon.com recommendation was when the system thought I'd like a quesadilla maker because I'd rated the Medela breastfeeding stool... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Michael Crichton is Evil and Must be Destroyed (was: Scouted: Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed)
Doug Pensinger wrote: In any case I consider my self an environmentalist, but I don't think we're going to get much accomplished if the fringe groups are able to make it look like the whole movement is driven by pseudo-science. This is the crux of the matter, and the sad fact is that even the major groups are being run as fringe groups in a way that alienates the silent majority - the suburban families who care but who don't want to be protesting in the streets. I know the shame and indignation in the general population when Greenpeace runs blockades every time a US warship enters an Australian port (just in case it might be carrying nuclear weapons). Protesting in the middle of the city just pisses people off - lobby groups and PACs in boardrooms and cabinet rooms is what is needed. Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Life Eaters unavailable?
Kevin Tarr wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: You can never have too many pastries Maru But you can have too many pasties. Dreaming of a naughty Christmas Yeah, nothing like the visit from Santa's naughty reform school girl elf to spark the holiday spirit. :) Jim I have nothing to write here fit for decent people Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Silliness
Julia Thompson wrote: And Jim did not disappoint. I never do! Jim Just ask my wife Maru :-D ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Life Eaters unavailable?
At 07:35 PM 12/18/03, Jim Sharkey wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: You can never have too many pastries Maru But you can have too many pasties. Dreaming of a naughty Christmas Yeah, nothing like the visit from Santa's naughty reform school girl elf to spark the holiday spirit. :) Jim I have nothing to write here fit for decent people Maru Since when did that stop anyone from posting here? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: ROTK: my mini review
Bryon Daly wrote: Capsule summary: Awesome. I'm still digesting it, but I'm thinking this was the best of the three. I agree that it was awesome, but I think FotR is my favorite of the three. Perhaps after a second veiwing I'll change my mind. A few additional thoughts: Denethor was pitch perfect. Oliphants rule. Andy Sirkis is *not* a handsome man. Jim It's my birthday, Deagol. Give it to me Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Brin: GURPS Uplift Review
Found this at RPG.net: http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/9/9924.phtml There's even a little discussion on the books themselves attached to it. Thought some of you might be interested. Jim Still think DB rules for letting me do an Alternity conversion Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
Alberto Monteiro wrote: David Hobby wrote: Comparing starships from different universes is difficult, to say the least. I think it's impossible. Take the most powerful ship, and it loses to Heinlein's Gay Deceiver, who can jump back to a time _before_ the construction of that other ship and blast its factory out of existence. Alberto Monteiro It depends what model of time travel you are using. I like a multiple worlds interpretation, since there are no paradoxes in it. Heinlein's ship goes back, destroys the other ship's factory, and goes forward again. Now it is on a line without the other ship. But from the other ship's point of view, Heinlein's ship goes back and never returns (i.e. disappears). That sounds like a draw, at best. ---David Why exactly SHOULD the entire line with the other ship in it disappear when Heinlein's ship mucks around in its past? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: GURPS Uplift Review
Thanks! Passed it on. db --- Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Found this at RPG.net: http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/9/9924.phtml There's even a little discussion on the books themselves attached to it. Thought some of you might be interested. Jim Still think DB rules for letting me do an Alternity conversion Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l = . . * Please note. My email address of many years is changing FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... (Or else use [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Edge of the Galaxy
New arm of Milky Way galaxy discovered CANBERRA, Australia (Reuters) --Australian astronomers have discovered an extra cosmic arm in the Milky Way that they believe wraps around the outskirts of the vast galaxy like a thick gas border. Astronomers at scientific research group, the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO), hope the find will help paint a better picture of the Milky Way galaxy, which is home to Earth. CSIRO scientist Naomi McClure-Griffiths said the gas border, which is 6,500 light years thick, showed the Milky Way had a structure similar to those of most other galaxies, which have gassy spiral arms extending beyond the more central stellar spiral arms. Astronomers believe the Milky Way has about four arms made up of hydrogen gas, dust and stars spiraling out from its center. McClure-Griffiths said the newly discovered gas border is about 60,000 light years from the center of the Milky Way. A light year is the distance that light travels in a year, which is about six trillion miles (10 trillion km). We have known there was gas out there but we haven't known that there was a structure out there. We thought there was just a smooth drop-off, that the galaxy just sort of slid away, McClure-Griffiths told Reuters. It is at the furthest reaches of the galaxy and is the last thing you see before the galaxy disappears. McClure-Griffiths and a small team of scientists were investigating the hydrogen gas in the disc of the Milky Way when they stumbled across the extra arm, which they believe could connect up with one of the galaxy's central stellar arms. The finding has been submitted for publication to the Astrophysical Journal of the American Astronomical Society, she added. Copyright 2003 Reuters. Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/12/16/milkyway.boundary.reut/index.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
In a message dated 12/18/2003 12:35:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A sense of accomplishment William taylor Not exactly.lol -Travis He did something, didn't stay done, done did go, and did done end at home. What more do you want? This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, but he couldn't get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get? Stinky feet. And he is too fat to take off his socks. So he left it there by walking through a stream. When he got home, he had stinky feet again. Geeze you're strict. William Taylor - Back from second viewing of ROTK. Only change: They dropped the preview that got booed opening night. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
