Greetings from Yellowstone

[Nick Arnett]

I headed for Teton and Yellowstone parks on Sunday... having a great time.
So far, we have seen moose, elk, bison, various birds and smaller
critters... and -- at last -- bears.  I worked here an entire summer without
seeing a bear... but yesterday, we saw something I wouldn't have even hoped
to see -- a mother grizzly and three cubs that were less than two weeks
old.  It's unusual to see grizzlies at all here -- there aren't very many.
It's more unusual to see a mother with cubs... and to see three cubs... and
to see cubs that young.  I shot lots of video and later will upload some of
it somewhere. For those who know about bear safety, I'll add that this was
from about 100 yards away, from a roadside, where we eventually were
accompanied by perhaps 200 other people.  And a great deal of oohing and
aahing, especially when the cubs were playing and wrestling.  The bear is
living around where we're staying -- the employees here are being extra
careful, since she doesn't seem to be nearly as wary of humans as people
would like.  On the other hand, she's somewhat predictable.  My
sister-in-law and her husband arrive today, so we may go back to the same
spot this evening to see if they're there.

Nick

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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 01:05 AM Thursday 6/8/2006, maru dubshinki wrote:

On 5/31/06, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
>
> You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...

Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!

 - jmh


I think you meant never bring the weapon of public opinion (a pollaxe)
to a knife fight.

~maru
Of course, one should never bring a gun to a political fight either...



I think it's a bit late in the day to point that out to Messers. Burr 
and Hamilton . . .



--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Non Destructive Team Members

[Kanandarqu]

As part of my work, I do some occasional environmental scanning of the  gov't 
"business opportunities".  I don't usually even read all the NASA  ones 
(although truth be told I do find them tempting to check out and have done  so 
on 
occasion), but as I was scrolling, the following caught my eye.  
 
 
NASA
Langley Research Center
Office of  Procurement
A--NON-DESTRUCTIVE EVALUATION ASSESSMENT TEAM  MEMBER
Synopsis
_http://www.fbo.gov/spg/NASA/LaRC/OPDC20220/NNL06NDEATM/listing.html_ 
(http://www.fbo.gov/spg/NASA/LaRC/OPDC20220/NNL06NDEATM/listing.html) 


It seemed clearer after scrolling back up one entry to read the following,  
but I still found it mildly amusing for some obscure reason
 
NASA
Langley Research Center
Office of Procurement
A--DEVELOPMENT  OF AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR TESTING MATERIALS (ASTM) DOCUMENT 
STANDARDS FOR  NONDESTRUCTIVE EVALUATION (NDE) OF AEROSPACE COMPOSITES
Synopsis
_http://www.fbo.gov/spg/NASA/LaRC/OPDC20220/NNL06ASTM/listing.html_ 
(https://owa.mse1.mailstreet.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.fbo.gov/spg/NASA/L
aRC/OPDC20220/NNL06ASTM/listing.html) 

Dee
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Re: Non Destructive Team Members

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 10:50 AM Thursday 6/8/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



As part of my work, I do some occasional environmental scanning of the  gov't
"business opportunities".  I don't usually even read all the NASA  ones
(although truth be told I do find them tempting to check out and 
have done  so on

occasion), but as I was scrolling, the following caught my eye.


NASA
Langley Research Center
Office of  Procurement
A--NON-DESTRUCTIVE EVALUATION ASSESSMENT TEAM  MEMBER
Synopsis
_http://www.fbo.gov/spg/NASA/LaRC/OPDC20220/NNL06NDEATM/listing.html_
(http://www.fbo.gov/spg/NASA/LaRC/OPDC20220/NNL06NDEATM/listing.html)


It seemed clearer after scrolling back up one entry to read the following,
but I still found it mildly amusing for some obscure reason

NASA
Langley Research Center
Office of Procurement
A--DEVELOPMENT  OF AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR TESTING MATERIALS (ASTM) DOCUMENT
STANDARDS FOR  NONDESTRUCTIVE EVALUATION (NDE) OF AEROSPACE COMPOSITES
Synopsis
_http://www.fbo.gov/spg/NASA/LaRC/OPDC20220/NNL06ASTM/listing.html_
(https://owa.mse1.mailstreet.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.fbo.gov/spg/NASA/L
aRC/OPDC20220/NNL06ASTM/listing.html)

Dee




Back in my days as an Air Force test engineer, another program was 
headed by a captain at the other end of the same building.  He 
started off with 5 examples of a new model UAV ("unmanned aerial 
vehicle":  an ancestor of the Predator they're using in the Middle 
East today) and in a particularly hard couple of weeks had lost three 
of them in test flights (two of them to the same problem with the 
parachutes used for recovery, one to a completely different one:  a 
"+" sign in the flight control software which should have been a "-" 
sign).  About that time, a copy of a revised tech manual appeared in 
my in-box, a thin volume with a title something about 
"Non-Destructive Testing Methods," so I took it and placed it on that 
captain's desk when he was out of his office, with a note suggesting 
he might find it useful in his project.  When he got back he got a 
big laugh out of it . . .



-- Ronn!  :P

Professional Smart-Aleck Even Then.  Do Not Attempt Because I Have 
Years More Experience.




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Mutant 59?

[Ronn!Blankenship]

Fungus eats enduring plastic

Voracious microbe points way to recycling resins.

<>


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Hobbit dinosaurs?

[Ronn!Blankenship]

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RE: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[Horn, John]

> On Behalf Of maru dubshinki
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:06 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will 
> Have BatLeths
> 
> On 5/31/06, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Behalf Of Damon Agretto
> > >
> > > You guys and your swords. I'll take a pollaxe...
> >
> > Never bring a sword, batleth or a poleaxe to a gunfight!
> >
> I think you meant never bring the weapon of public opinion (a 
> pollaxe) to a knife fight.

I might have been thinking of a polecat, actually...

They never work well in a gunfight!

  - jmh
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Re: When BatLeths Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have BatLeths

[dcaa]

I was corrected sometime ago; the correct spelling is pollaxe, not poleaxe. 
Just clearing things up.

Damon.

Damon Agretto
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Now Building: Trumpeter's Marder I auf GW 38(h)
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld.

Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld.  
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Re: Microbial mounds

[Deborah Harrell]

> Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Deborah Harrell wrote:
> >> Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> >> ...I visited the stromatolites of WA last
> > >November on my way down the  
> >> west coast of Oz. It was pretty awesome if you're
> >> a biogeek.
 
> > 
> > Geek!?!  Certainly not!  
 
> > Appreciator of biodiversity.  Esteemer of Gaia's
> > creations.  Fancier of rare and unusual lifeforms.
>  >A fishy-nado of tenacious creatures.   ;)
 
> Huh?  In most of the circles I move in, "geek" is
> considered a 
> compliment, or at least not an insult.  :)


Now I'm feeling like Dan M; that was intended to be
humorous, not insulted.  That's why I put a smiley
afterward!

Debbi
Apparently Some Similarities to Lt. Saavik Maru ;-)

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Re: Update-Cezanne's progress (my horse!)

[Jo Anne]

Debi - Congratulations.  It must be satisfying.  Since I only read detail
here sporadically, what happened to Darby?  And how did you acquire Cezanne?
And is she your horse?

> On the lunge line, she follows
> commands to walk, trot, canter (well, that can turn
> into a gallop quickly!), halt anad reverse direction.
> Ridden, she is correctly leg-yielding, two-tracking,
> halt-and-backing, and speeding/slowing with slow
> inhale/exhale of my breath (the latter is very handy
> if your reins break!).

Please explain two-tracking.  This is all Dressage, right?  The rest I think
I can figure out.  
 
> Our next big hurdle is to canter with a rider; I'll
> have my instructor on-hand for that, because Cezanne
> *really* likes to run.  "Flight without wings" -
> indeed!  

Good luck!  I think I told you about my experience as a child riding my
horse bareback and downhill -- she loved to run in that situation with my
hanging on to her neck for dear life!

Amities,

Jo Anne
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RE: History lessons not learned?

[Deborah Harrell]

> Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Behalf Of Deborah Harrell
 
> > The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my
> friend,
> > and indeed might be another enemy.  It appears to
> >me that this possibility has been sadly overlooked
in
> > US foreign policy during my entire life.
 
> But, a variation of that principal has been
> over-applied by the US in it's
> intelligence work.  As a result, the US has been
> woefully undermanned in
> human intelligence...as the 9-11 commission has
> pointed out.
> 
> Using human intelligence agents usually involved
> dealing with rather unsavory characters.  


Intelligence-gathering is not exactly in the same
ballpark as foreign policy, but perhaps I should have
been clearer:  the current involvement in Iraq is at
least partly based on dubious intelligence from a
dubious character (Chalabi), whom this administration
chose to 'believe' because it supported their
preconceived notions for regime change in Iraq.  

If you're dealing with unsavory folk, you ought to
have the sense to check out what they give you via
another, unrelated channel.  If 3 unrelated shady
characters give you what amounts to the same info, it
has a much better chance of being correct or at least
potentially useful, than from one fellow with an
agenda.

Which points out the need for intelligence, or at
least some common sense, when interpreting that
aquired information.  I only state the obvious for
those who ought to be reading the List, but clearly
have not benefitted from our collective wisdom.  [Uh,
that last is supposed to be sarcastic, and is *not*
directed at any List member!]

Debbi
Now Paranoid About Her Humor Projection Maru   ':)

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Re: Update-Cezanne's progress (my horse!)

[Deborah Harrell]

> Jo Anne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Debi - Congratulations.  It must be satisfying. 
> Since I only read detail
> here sporadically, what happened to Darby?  And how
> did you acquire Cezanne?  And is she your horse?

Ooh, twist my arm!  ;)

Darby is fine, although slowing down a little (he'd
say he was conserving his energy for when a fiery
display is needed); I ride him regularly, and am
continuing to take dressage lessons with him.
Cezanne is half-mine (the better half, of course!),
and the result of a friend and I impulse-buying at a
charity auction (we were very lucky that she had been
vet-checked prior to sale; that is *not* the prudent
way to acquire a horse).  I just instantly liked her.
 
> > Ridden, she is correctly leg-yielding,
> two-tracking,
> > halt-and-backing, and speeding/slowing with slow
> > inhale/exhale of my breath (the latter is very
> >handy if your reins break!).
 
> Please explain two-tracking.  This is all Dressage,
> right?  

Yes, although variations also are used in Western and
Hunter classes.  
Two-tracking (called three-tracking in some circles)
is when the horse is moving forward with its body at a
small angle to the direction of travel (three-tracking
is when the angle is larger; half-passing is moving
completely sideways).
   .  
.
--->  \  ---> /  --->---> I --->  
(half-pass)
   `
(3-tracking, from R leg, then L)


 Leg-yield:  i   (finish)
  i  
  i   
 ^
  i   (start)  (direction horse facing I )


> > Our next big hurdle is to canter with a rider;
> I'll
> > have my instructor on-hand for that, because
> Cezanne
> > *really* likes to run.  "Flight without wings" -
> > indeed!  
 
> Good luck!  I think I told you about my experience
> as a child riding my
> horse bareback and downhill -- she loved to run in
> that situation with my
> hanging on to her neck for dear life!

Once she's more experienced, I'll add in barebacking -
but no running downhill with only a halter for
directing!   :)

Debbi
who wonders if the diagrams willl make it coherently

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Re: Update-Cezanne's progress (my horse!)

[Deborah Harrell]

> Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Debbi
> who wonders if the diagrams willl make it coherently


No, they didn't.
Sorry about that!

Debbi
Clueless Comuper Maru

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RE: History lessons not learned?

[Deborah Harrell]

> Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Behalf Of Deborah Harrell
  
> > > The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my
> > >friend,  and indeed might be another enemy... 
  
> > But, a variation of that principal has been
> > over-applied by the US in it's
> > intelligence work...
> > Using human intelligence agents usually involved
> > dealing with rather unsavory characters.  
> 
 

> If you're dealing with unsavory folk, you ought to
> have the sense to check out what they give you via
> another, unrelated channel  
> Which points out the need for intelligence, or at
> least some common sense, when interpreting that
> aquired information.  

Now here's a sticky wicket in this vein:  Somalia.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060608/ap_on_re_af/somalia_1
Islamic militia leaders who seized Somalia's capital
this week and are accused of harboring al-Qaida
fugitives started discussing the future of the lawless
country Thursday with its largely powerless
U.N.-backed government.  The meeting came a day after
the Bush administration sounded a surprising
conciliatory note toward the militia.

The aim of the Islamic Courts Union, State Department
spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters, "is to try to
lay the foundations for some institutions in Somalia
that might form the basis for a better and more
peaceful, secure Somalia where the rule of law is
important."
"I think that as a matter of principle that we would
look forward to working with groups or individuals who
have an interest in a better, more peaceful, more
stable, secure Somalia ... who are also interested in
fighting terrorism," he said.

The statement was a surprising turnaround for the
United States, which had been waging a proxy fight
against the militia, said John Prendergast, a senior
adviser with the International Crisis Group. However,
he said, it was important that the United States work
with powers on the ground in Somalia to bring
stability to the country.
"It's a bit schizophrenic," Prendergast said. "The
overriding imperative now is to bring together
Somalia's warring parties into a process of state
reconstruction that will provide our best antidote
against extremism..."

http://www.boston.com/news/world/africa/articles/2006/06/06/islamists_claim_rout_of_us_tied_forces_in_somalia/
The Islamist militia took up arms several months ago
against a secular alliance of warlord-businessmen that
had publicly committed to battle terrorist groups in
Somalia. Those secular warlords had close ties with
Central Intelligence Agency officials, who were
pressing to dismantle Islamist factions in a hunt for
Al Qaeda operatives, according to analysts and
interviews with Somali warlords.  Reports from
Mogadishu yesterday said most US-allied warlords had
fled or were fleeing...

...For two years, CIA officials have traveled
frequently to the Mogadishu area and other Somali
cities in hopes of learning more about and disrupting
small bands of Al Qaeda members, who also operate in
Kenya, Tanzania, and Ethiopia, Kenyan pilots and two
Somali warlords said recently in interviews. US
officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, have
said that three Al Qaeda members indicted in the 1998
US Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania were still
being protected by Islamists in Mogadishu.

In surrounding countries, and even in Somalia's
semi-autonomous northern regions of Somaliland and
Puntland, US covert officers have developed close
relationships with governments and local powers.
In southern and central Somalia, CIA officers have
relied on electronic eavesdropping and developing
close ties with various warlords, paying them tens of
thousands of dollars in some visits, two warlords said
in interviews. The two -- Yusuf Mohammed Said , the
ruling warlord in Marka , about 60 miles south of
Mogadishu, and Mohammed Dhere , the warlord in Jowhar,
about 40 miles east of the capital -- along with
Kenyan-based pilots, who asked not to be identified
because of the sensitivity of the situation, said US
intelligence relied especially on warlords who
controlled airports to monitor traffic in and out of
the country...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4841170.stm
Is Somalia next for 'war on terror'?
By Joseph Winter 
The Islamists are the first group to control Mogadishu
in 15 years
Since the 11 September attacks on the United States
more than four years ago, Somalis have feared that
their lawless country could become the setting for a
battle between US-backed anti-terror forces and
al-Qaeda sympathisers.

That prospect now seems more likely than ever.  An
Islamist militia has taken control of the capital,
Mogadishu, from an alliance of warlords widely
believed to be backed by the US.  The US refuses to
confirm or deny these reports but Presid

Re: Mutant 59?

[Deborah Harrell]

That was a good read (well, several decades ago it
was)-

> Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Fungus eats enduring plastic
> Voracious microbe points way to recycling resins.
> 
>
<>

Back when I was briefly in grad school, I worked as
part of a project to isolate and identify bacteria
capable of degrading phenolic compounds -- the big
problems were target compounds toxicity
concentrations, and slow growth of the bugs. 
Microbial breakdown of chemical nasties has great
potential, but needs more activeresearch.

Debbi
One Poison Is Another's Meat Maru

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At The Gallop

[Deborah Harrell]

In chat yesterday, "double suspension" in a dog's
flat-out run came up; here are stills capturing that,
from a post several years ago.

> There was a photographer named Muybridge in the late
> 19th century who did a series 'Animals in Motion'
(one
> of my horse books has some of his sequences of
running
> horses).  Two of his dog sequences (one a heavy,
> inflexible mastiff and the other a springy whippet)
> are reachable from the following site:
>
> http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Movement/locoindex.html

The whippet sequence shows double suspension, which
means all four feet off the ground both in a collected
or flexed phase, and in full extension.  Horses have a
single suspension gallop (flexed phase), although I
think that some Thoroughbreds (Secretariat IIRC) have
been found to have the extended phase as well.

Debbi
Off For A Lesson Now Maru

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Re: Mutant 59?

[Deborah Harrell]

> Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One Poison Is Another's Meat Maru

That should be One's, of course.

 I hate this keyboard; I've been getting double aa's
and having to delete one constantly.

Debbi
Hunks Of Plastic Maru


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Re: Mutant 59?

[Robert Seeberger]

- Original Message - 
From: "Deborah Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Mutant 59?


> That was a good read (well, several decades ago it
> was)-
>
>> Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Fungus eats enduring plastic
>> Voracious microbe points way to recycling resins.
>>
>>
> <>
>
> Back when I was briefly in grad school, I worked as
> part of a project to isolate and identify bacteria
> capable of degrading phenolic compounds -- the big
> problems were target compounds toxicity
> concentrations, and slow growth of the bugs.
> Microbial breakdown of chemical nasties has great
> potential, but needs more activeresearch.
>

I worked in a phenol unit at one time.
Nasty stuff in concentration, but in diluted form it's in all manner 
of products from medicines to wintergreen Lifesavers. (Yeah...its the 
stuff that makes the flashes when you crunch them in the dark.)

xponent
Sparks Maru
rob 


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RE: History lessons not learned?

[Dan Minette]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Deborah Harrell
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:14 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: RE: History lessons not learned?
> 
> Last year the International Crisis Group, a political
> think-tank, reported that: "In the rubble-strewn
> streets of the ruined capital of this state without a
> government... al-Qaeda operatives, jihadi extremists,
> Ethiopian security services and Western-backed
> counter-terrorism networks are engaged in a shadowy
> and complex contest waged by intimidation, abduction
> and assassination..."
> 
> 
> What a tangled mess.  I am not saying "do nothing,"
> but doing any old thing in the short term is not a
> substitute for thinking ahead and acting for the long
> term.  Backing warlords accused of murder and rape is
> not how to win the hearts and minds of the locals (or
> anyone else).  If you're going to claim moral
> superiority over the world, you'd do well not to be
> supporting butchers and rapists.

It is a very messy situation.  But, if you look at previous policy in
Somalia, you will see the most unpleasant nature of the options that exist.
We tried doing the right thing early in the '90s, but we got caught up in
the very messy situation, and ended up with our dead soldiers being dragged
through the streets.  Our choices at that time were to either escalate, and
take real control of the security of the country, or to get out.  We got
out.

Now, we are in a situation where we can find no parties without blood on
their hands to back.  One option is to refrain from being involved.  But, if
AQ ends up running the country, and has a safe haven for staging raids
elsewhere, will we end up having to intervene with troops, as we did in
Afghanistan?  

I know you talk about diplomatic pressure.  But, to first order, diplomatic
pressure is making threats/promises.  Even between nominal allies, this
happens.  Since you cited a column on the limited usefulness of sanctions,
and appeared to approve of it, then I'm not sure what your thoughts are on
diplomatic arm twisting.  If people don't respond to heavy pressure, why
would they respond to light pressure?

One of the difficult things is that backing the lesser of two evils has
resulted in a better outcomes for the US a number of times.  Spain, South
Korea, and Taiwan are three examples that come to mind.  For that matter,
would it have been better to not work with Stalin to beat Hitler?  To zeroth
order, it was the Russian army that beat Hitler...the US's supply of Russia
may have been it's biggest contribution to winning the war in Europe.
Should FDR have gotten more out of the deal?  

Another way to look at Somolia is that finding a political solution there is
just that much harder than in Iraq, where we have a great deal of influence
and, finally, a first rate ambassador.  In Somolia, what exactly would AQ's
motivation be for coming to a meeting of the minds with the US...if we
weren't fighting them by proxy?  Wouldn't they just laugh at our diplomacy?

Dan M. 


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Re: Mutant 59?

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 05:21 PM Thursday 6/8/2006, Deborah Harrell wrote:

That was a good read (well, several decades ago it
was)-



I wondered if anyone else would remember it.


--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: At The Gallop

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 05:35 PM Thursday 6/8/2006, Deborah Harrell wrote:

In chat yesterday, "double suspension" in a dog's
flat-out run came up; here are stills capturing that,
from a post several years ago.

> There was a photographer named Muybridge in the late
> 19th century who did a series 'Animals in Motion'
(one
> of my horse books has some of his sequences of
running
> horses).  Two of his dog sequences (one a heavy,
> inflexible mastiff and the other a springy whippet)
> are reachable from the following site:
>
> http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Movement/locoindex.html

The whippet sequence shows double suspension, which
means all four feet off the ground both in a collected
or flexed phase, and in full extension.  Horses have a
single suspension gallop (flexed phase), although I
think that some Thoroughbreds (Secretariat IIRC) have
been found to have the extended phase as well.



I suppose if the page had had the Muybridge human locomotion series 
it would have been deemed unsuitable for posting without a warning.


And I wonder why he never did one of cats?


--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

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Re: At The Gallop

[Charlie Bell]

On 09/06/2006, at 5:10 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:


And I wonder why he never did one of cats?


Because the cat worked out what he wanted it to do, and so did  
something else. That's cats for you.


Charlie
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