Re: Enterprise Cancelled
From: Nick Lidster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:51:40 -0330 - Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled In contrast with the first one, which didn'thave any action, either . . . I dunno why this one gets so much flak. I personally liked it. if your refering to the motion picture... it may have something to do with the supertight jumpers that they wore you see less of a swimmer in a speedo comeon who wants to see shatner in a speedo? Sulu? -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:23:34 + On 8 Feb 2005, at 7:24 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's a cover of 'Common People' by Pulp. Pulp sucks. So does being one-upped by you. 'Common People' got to #2 in the UK charts in '95. And Mrs Wife thinks it's a great song... Shatner's cover is quite another kettle of ham though. In a truly substantial discussion on the topic of coherent noise, I wouldn't dare apply the label of, it sucks to anything. But for our purposes here Bill, I can firmly boast (and unequivocally so at that) a state of apathy regarding the band in question. -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
At 12:05 PM Tuesday 2/8/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Kevin Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] It sounded like the plan was to create an original film with new characters, set in the Trek universe. An original film with new characters... Without a television series to enable the characters to truly take life, I'm not sure how the Trek crew could avoid a hollowed out husk of a movie. That is, if it's intended to be anything more than a mindless action film. You haven't seen the last few Trek movies, have you? Mindless action film is a pretty good description for any one of them. In contrast with the first one, which didn'thave any action, either . . . --Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
In contrast with the first one, which didn'thave any action, either . . . I dunno why this one gets so much flak. I personally liked it. Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: UM's PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. C ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
- Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled In contrast with the first one, which didn'thave any action, either . . . I dunno why this one gets so much flak. I personally liked it. Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: UM's PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. C if your refering to the motion picture... it may have something to do with the supertight jumpers that they wore you see less of a swimmer in a speedo comeon who wants to see shatner in a speedo? nick say no to speedo lidster ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:35:21 -0500, Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In contrast with the first one, which didn'thave any action, either . . . I dunno why this one gets so much flak. I personally liked it. Me too. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise Cancelled
From: Kevin Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: RE: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 01:00:52 -0700 Travis Edmunds: Somebody (I think it was Berman) said that the Trek franchise might continue as original theatrical movies, after resting for a few years. What's the plan? DS9? Voyager? I don't recall him discussing any specific movies. It sounded like the plan was to create an original film with new characters, set in the Trek universe. An original film with new characters... Without a television series to enable the characters to truly take life, I'm not sure how the Trek crew could avoid a hollowed out husk of a movie. That is, if it's intended to be anything more than a mindless action film. -Travis _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Kevin Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] It sounded like the plan was to create an original film with new characters, set in the Trek universe. An original film with new characters... Without a television series to enable the characters to truly take life, I'm not sure how the Trek crew could avoid a hollowed out husk of a movie. That is, if it's intended to be anything more than a mindless action film. You haven't seen the last few Trek movies, have you? Mindless action film is a pretty good description for any one of them. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
You haven't seen the last few Trek movies, have you? Mindless action film is a pretty good description for any one of them. That's the way its been for a while. Star Trek stopped being about SF and started being a character driven franchise a long time ago. That's why Kirk had to have a noble death...can't get by with a cheap death in his bed of old age (like most ranking officers), but by saving the universe. Like I've always said...so much potential...but falls short in the writing... Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Revell Germany's M60A3 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: You haven't seen the last few Trek movies, have you? Mindless action film is a pretty good description for any one of them. That's the way its been for a while. Star Trek stopped being about SF and started being a character driven franchise a long time ago. That's why Kirk had to have a noble death...can't get by with a cheap death in his bed of old age (like most ranking officers), but by saving the universe. His cheap death comes in the form of his poetry. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:11 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: You haven't seen the last few Trek movies, have you? Mindless action film is a pretty good description for any one of them. That's the way its been for a while. Star Trek stopped being about SF and started being a character driven franchise a long time ago. Actually if it *had* been legitimately character driven it might have been tolerable. Character-driven here meaning exploring the lives, ideals and mores of the characters, how they relate to the universe and what they learn from it. That's why Kirk had to have a noble death...can't get by with a cheap death in his bed of old age (like most ranking officers), but by saving the universe. Well, that would have been OK too, but the construction around Kirk's death was stupid. Really really stupid. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:05:32 -0700 On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Kevin Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] It sounded like the plan was to create an original film with new characters, set in the Trek universe. An original film with new characters... Without a television series to enable the characters to truly take life, I'm not sure how the Trek crew could avoid a hollowed out husk of a movie. That is, if it's intended to be anything more than a mindless action film. You haven't seen the last few Trek movies, have you? Mindless action film is a pretty good description for any one of them. From the Briar Patch to Remus, mindless is an apt description, yes. The sickening rehash of a prominent Search For Spock plot device notwithstanding - think, katra a la Data - mind you. Such desperate writing as that degrades the product even further. But we were still dealing with temporally developed characters. Consequently, we the audience have certain character-specific expectations - i.e. the goosebumps a die-hard Trekkie/Trekker (the latter being my generation) gets when Kirk is laughing at the superior intellect of Khan whilst kicking the genetically engineered crap outta said bad guy. That's all I'm saying. A feature film with an entirely new cast of characters = no goosebumps. -Travis R.L. Stine Edmunds _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:44:15 -0800 On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: You haven't seen the last few Trek movies, have you? Mindless action film is a pretty good description for any one of them. That's the way its been for a while. Star Trek stopped being about SF and started being a character driven franchise a long time ago. That's why Kirk had to have a noble death...can't get by with a cheap death in his bed of old age (like most ranking officers), but by saving the universe. His cheap death comes in the form of his poetry. lol I want to sleep with common people, like you. -Bill Shatner/some song off his new album- -Travis _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: But we were still dealing with temporally developed characters. Consequently, we the audience have certain character-specific expectations - i.e. the goosebumps a die-hard Trekkie/Trekker (the latter being my generation) gets when Kirk is laughing at the superior intellect of Khan whilst kicking the genetically engineered crap outta said bad guy. That's all I'm saying. A feature film with an entirely new cast of characters = no goosebumps. Ah, OK, I see. But is that really necessary? Aren't there other movies that start from a premise of unknown characters and leave you chilly, simply because they're well written, -directed and -acted? I can think of a few. If the expectations of the Trek franchise have sunk so low that there's not even a realistic hope of a square-one story having a truly meaningful impact, then I say let it lie on the shelf and stay there until some truly talented people come along and pick it up again. Paramount is right. They have to kill Trek in order to save it. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] His cheap death comes in the form of his poetry. lol I want to sleep with common people, like you. -Bill Shatner/some song off his new album- The poetry comment *is* funny. The quote -- hmm, does he mean like you are, or like you do? Um. Why the hell do I care anyway? I don't think I do. After trying to like the first Tek war novel I gave up totally on Shatner's writing abilities. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:57:53 -0700 On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: But we were still dealing with temporally developed characters. Consequently, we the audience have certain character-specific expectations - i.e. the goosebumps a die-hard Trekkie/Trekker (the latter being my generation) gets when Kirk is laughing at the superior intellect of Khan whilst kicking the genetically engineered crap outta said bad guy. That's all I'm saying. A feature film with an entirely new cast of characters = no goosebumps. Ah, OK, I see. But is that really necessary? Aren't there other movies that start from a premise of unknown characters and leave you chilly, simply because they're well written, -directed and -acted? I can think of a few. If the expectations of the Trek franchise have sunk so low that there's not even a realistic hope of a square-one story having a truly meaningful impact, then I say let it lie on the shelf and stay there until some truly talented people come along and pick it up again. Paramount is right. They have to kill Trek in order to save it. Perhaps that's true. But an entirely original film isn't the way to go about it. The mainstay audience of Star Trek is after all the 'fans'. They want to see the continuing adventures of the characters that they hold dear to their hearts. And the sole reason that these characters are so dear to so many, is the almighty television series. This film idea, if developed, will leave countless nerds drooling over a mere mention of Admiral Janeway, reminiscing over a cameo of Worf, and ultimately, balking at the very idea. -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On 8 Feb 2005, at 7:00 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] His cheap death comes in the form of his poetry. lol I want to sleep with common people, like you. -Bill Shatner/some song off his new album- The poetry comment *is* funny. The quote -- hmm, does he mean like you are, or like you do? That's a cover of 'Common People' by Pulp. http://www.lyricsdepot.com/pulp/common-people.html -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ A computer without Windows is like a cake without mustard. - anonymous ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:00:01 -0700 On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] His cheap death comes in the form of his poetry. lol I want to sleep with common people, like you. -Bill Shatner/some song off his new album- The poetry comment *is* funny. The quote -- hmm, does he mean like you are, or like you do? Um. Why the hell do I care anyway? I don't think I do. After trying to like the first Tek war novel I gave up totally on Shatner's writing abilities. He's not the best is he? Although I liked 'Ashes of Eden' (Trek Novel); well, as much as any self-respecting literary aficionado can actually 'like' a Star Trek novel I suppose... As for the quote - I got it right. What Shatner means by it? Who the hell knows. -Travis _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 19:21:45 + On 8 Feb 2005, at 7:00 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] His cheap death comes in the form of his poetry. lol I want to sleep with common people, like you. -Bill Shatner/some song off his new album- The poetry comment *is* funny. The quote -- hmm, does he mean like you are, or like you do? That's a cover of 'Common People' by Pulp. Pulp sucks. So does being one-upped by you. -Travis _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:00:01 -0700, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] His cheap death comes in the form of his poetry. lol I want to sleep with common people, like you. -Bill Shatner/some song off his new album- The poetry comment *is* funny. The quote -- hmm, does he mean like you are, or like you do? Um. Why the hell do I care anyway? I don't think I do. After trying to like the first Tek war novel I gave up totally on Shatner's writing abilities. Open secret the Tek novels were ghost written. In fact the writter, Ron Goulart(?), talked about novels in the future being small corporate enterprises. Gary Denton Easter Lemming Liberal News Digest http://elemming2.blogspot.com - I think Brin was on to something in 'Earth' in suggesting the right to vote be dependent upon subscribing to some opposing viewpoint media. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 15:12:02 -0600, Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:00:01 -0700, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] His cheap death comes in the form of his poetry. lol I want to sleep with common people, like you. -Bill Shatner/some song off his new album- The poetry comment *is* funny. The quote -- hmm, does he mean like you are, or like you do? Um. Why the hell do I care anyway? I don't think I do. After trying to like the first Tek war novel I gave up totally on Shatner's writing abilities. Open secret the Tek novels were ghost written. In fact the writter, Ron Goulart(?), talked about novels in the future being small corporate enterprises. Gary Denton Easter Lemming Liberal News Digest http://elemming2.blogspot.com - I think Brin was on to something in 'Earth' in suggesting the right to vote be dependent upon subscribing to some opposing viewpoint media. Yes, briefly mentioned here http://www.collectortimes.com/2000_09/Bookshelf2.html They have confidentiallity agreements Ron skirts. BTW my liberal news site main page is currently dropped like a Nazi site from Google search results. I wonder if like banned in Boston this will makes my exposure actually go up? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On 8 Feb 2005, at 7:24 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's a cover of 'Common People' by Pulp. Pulp sucks. So does being one-upped by you. 'Common People' got to #2 in the UK charts in '95. And Mrs Wife thinks it's a great song... Shatner's cover is quite another kettle of ham though. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. -- Robert Firth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
http://tinyurl.com/3rtec Fans are attempting to organise to pay for another season. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Mac OS X is a rock-solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux. - Bill Joy. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
Warren Ockrassa wrote: snip Um. Why the hell do I care anyway? I don't think I do. After trying to like the first Tek war novel I gave up totally on Shatner's writing abilities. --- I read the first two Tek War books and said enough is enough. Truthfully, one was too many. IMO, the only things Shatner has written that're readable have been with the Reeves as co-authors. George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:26 PM, William T Goodall wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3rtec Fans are attempting to organise to pay for another season. There are times when democracy is not a good thing. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise Cancelled
Travis Edmunds: Somebody (I think it was Berman) said that the Trek franchise might continue as original theatrical movies, after resting for a few years. What's the plan? DS9? Voyager? I don't recall him discussing any specific movies. It sounded like the plan was to create an original film with new characters, set in the Trek universe. But in Hollywood those kind of plans can change like the weather. Might be a whole different deal tomorrow. Kevin Street -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 01:00:52 -0700, Kevin Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travis Edmunds: Somebody (I think it was Berman) said that the Trek franchise might continue as original theatrical movies, after resting for a few years. What's the plan? DS9? Voyager? I don't recall him discussing any specific movies. It sounded like the plan was to create an original film with new characters, set in the Trek universe. But in Hollywood those kind of plans can change like the weather. Might be a whole different deal tomorrow. Yes, very loose plans for a new movie with new characters. Berman thought Nemisis was terrific when I thought it sucked and the movie was the worst performing of all Trek movies - $43 million domestically. It does not creat a void in my viewing schedule as I disliked most episodes and made no special plans to view or tape. I did watch occasionally. I also think it was cancelled just when it was showing some improvement in stories and trying to tie back to the Star Trek universe it had effectively ignored if not wrecked continuity until now. T'Pol was the only interesting character and then only when they gave her a good story. Keckler sums it up: Did you read the book of tech, And do you believe this utter dreck, If Bermaga tell you so? Do you believe in reversing pole Can a phaser save your Trekkie soul, And can you teach me how to mind-meld real slow? Well, I know that you're in love with Trip 'Cause I saw you squeein' like a drip. You both dug into pie. Man, you dig that drawlin' blond guy. I was a rabid teenage science geek With an action figure and some Klingon-speake, But I knew I was not a freak The day the franchise died. http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=71story=7426 I don't like her reviews but I liked this. -- Gary Denton Easter Lemming Notebook Easter Lemming Liberal News Digest - I think Brin was on to something in 'Earth' in suggesting the right to vote be dependent upon subscribing to some opposing viewpoint media. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
Gary Denton wrote (quoting someone else): Well, I know that you're in love with Trip 'Cause I saw you squeein' like a drip. You both dug into pie. Man, you dig that drawlin' blond guy. Well, that's what was doing it for *me*. :) Damn, but I like that character! Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Feb 3, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Kevin Street wrote: Somebody (I think it was Berman) said that the Trek franchise might continue as original theatrical movies, after resting for a few years. IMO, Berman is more or less directly responsible for the destruction of the Trek franchise. He believed, for instance, that _Insurrection_ was one of the best Trek movies ever. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise Cancelled
From: Kevin Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: RE: Enterprise Cancelled Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:54:30 -0700 Travis Edmunds quoted: http://space.com/entertainment/enterprise_cancelled_050203.html The prequel to the original ``Star Trek'' science fiction series will air its final episode in the United States on May 3, UPN and Paramount Network Television announced Wednesday. Yeah, this is a real downer. I've come to love Enterprise over the last two years, but the ratings just kept declining. Somebody (I think it was Berman) said that the Trek franchise might continue as original theatrical movies, after resting for a few years. What's the plan? DS9? Voyager? -Travis _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise Cancelled
Yeah, this is a real downer. I've come to love Enterprise over the last two years, but the ratings just kept declining. Somebody (I think it was Berman) said that the Trek franchise might continue as original theatrical movies, after resting for a few years. I think they need to rest Berman...permanently. It's no surprise to me that this happened. ST: E had a few good episodes, but I feel the rest were pretty luke-warm and unconvincing. It is depressing though, that after..what? 20 years? there is no Star Trek on the TV... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: UM's PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. C ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
Warren Ockrassa wrote: Somebody (I think it was Berman) said that the Trek franchise might continue as original theatrical movies, after resting for a few years. IMO, Berman is more or less directly responsible for the destruction of the Trek franchise. He believed, for instance, that _Insurrection_ was one of the best Trek movies ever. For the most part, I enjoyed Insurrection. I could have done without the flesh-stretching crap, but I enjoyed the humor and the overall story. Not the best, certainly not the worst. George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise Cancelled
On Feb 4, 2005, at 10:39 PM, G. D. Akin wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: Somebody (I think it was Berman) said that the Trek franchise might continue as original theatrical movies, after resting for a few years. IMO, Berman is more or less directly responsible for the destruction of the Trek franchise. He believed, for instance, that _Insurrection_ was one of the best Trek movies ever. For the most part, I enjoyed Insurrection. I could have done without the flesh-stretching crap, but I enjoyed the humor and the overall story. Not the best, certainly not the worst. I got the title wrong anyway. Berman had a chub going for _Nemesis_, not _Insurrection_, which was almost tolerable. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise Cancelled
Travis Edmunds quoted: http://space.com/entertainment/enterprise_cancelled_050203.html The prequel to the original ``Star Trek'' science fiction series will air its final episode in the United States on May 3, UPN and Paramount Network Television announced Wednesday. Yeah, this is a real downer. I've come to love Enterprise over the last two years, but the ratings just kept declining. Somebody (I think it was Berman) said that the Trek franchise might continue as original theatrical movies, after resting for a few years. Kevin Street -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise cancelled?
Its on the bubble for next season. Something about half a season will be done if the series is decided to be dropped. Just to clue it up... and the 5 ep that are remaining are for this season. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise cancelled?
At 09:50 AM 4/27/2004 -0230 Nick Lidster wrote: Its on the bubble for next season. Something about half a season will be done if the series is decided to be dropped. Just to clue it up... and the 5 ep that are remaining are for this season. Time to put it out of its misery. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise cancelled?
Time to put it out of its misery. Ah, but just think what it COULD have been! Damon, who finds the Temporal Cold War and the current story less than satisfying... = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
Ah, but just think what it COULD have been! I kind of enjoyed the first season, but came to dislike the way they rewrote the past, doing things that we know from the later shows didn't really happen in the ST universe. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
From: Tom Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Enterprise cancelled? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:51:27 -0400 Ah, but just think what it COULD have been! I kind of enjoyed the first season, but came to dislike the way they rewrote the past, doing things that we know from the later shows didn't really happen in the ST universe. Perhaps it's all part of the Temporal Cold War. For all we know, the 'real' timeline may not be real at all. Just a thought... -Travis my dad's a temporal mechanic, he fixes cars all the TIME Edmunds _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
I kind of enjoyed the first season, but came to dislike the way they rewrote the past, doing things that we know from the later shows didn't really happen in the ST universe. Perhaps it's all part of the Temporal Cold War. For all we know, the 'real' timeline may not be real at all. Just a thought... Perhaps, although I think its more the fact that the current writers don't have a strong interest in maintaining continuity. Perhaps, like some Anime, this is in an alternate universe. However, if they do use the Temporal Cold War as the reason, all I have to say is this: L-A-M-E. Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Enterprise cancelled? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Perhaps it's all part of the Temporal Cold War. For all we know, the 'real' timeline may not be real at all. Just a thought... Perhaps, although I think its more the fact that the current writers don't have a strong interest in maintaining continuity. Why wouldn't writers want to maintain continuity in a popular fictional Universe? Ask yourself that question and that theory takes a major blow. Perhaps, like some Anime, this is in an alternate universe. However, if they do use the Temporal Cold War as the reason, all I have to say is this: L-A-M-E. I couldn't agree more. As an episode or a string of episodes, or even as a recurring theme I could accept it. Even by Star Trek standards! But as a possible overall plot scheme...like you said - LAME. -Travis _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
Why wouldn't writers want to maintain continuity in a popular fictional Universe? Ask yourself that question and that theory takes a major blow. Why would they? Unless they're sad fanboys themselves, which they rarely are, they're never concerned with continuity. It's too difficult to maintain; so much easier not even to bother. That way you can do anything you like. It's the producers' responsibility to prevent this, and I just don't get the feeling that the Enterprise producers care either. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
Why would they? Unless they're sad fanboys themselves, which they rarely are, they're never concerned with continuity. It's too difficult to maintain; so much easier not even to bother. That way you can do anything you like. It's the producers' responsibility to prevent this, and I just don't get the feeling that the Enterprise producers care either. I thought the producers were also doing the writing for this show (whatshisface and thatotherguy)? Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
From: Tom Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Enterprise cancelled? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:06:18 -0400 Why wouldn't writers want to maintain continuity in a popular fictional Universe? Ask yourself that question and that theory takes a major blow. Why would they? Why? If for no other reason than it's Star Trek! Moreover, if writers themselves (producers aside) can't or won't maintain an acceptable level of continuity within the fictional Universe that they culture and maintain, then they should no longer have the job of culturing and maintaining that particular fictional Universe. Unless they're sad fanboys themselves, which they rarely are, they're never concerned with continuity. Fair enough. At least in the context of a television show and all the pains that go along with it. But if it were up to me...NEW WRITING STAFF. I am absolutely baffled at times by the lack of originality and thought that goes into some writing. But I suppose as Dr Brin once said of originality in sci-fi - Since Roddenberry Bradbury, you'll find few others. -Travis _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
- Original Message - From: Tom Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Enterprise cancelled? Why wouldn't writers want to maintain continuity in a popular fictional Universe? Ask yourself that question and that theory takes a major blow. Why would they? Unless they're sad fanboys themselves, which they rarely are, they're never concerned with continuity. It's too difficult to maintain; so much easier not even to bother. That way you can do anything you like. It's the producers' responsibility to prevent this, and I just don't get the feeling that the Enterprise producers care either. see I never thought I'd see that day come when I would defend ST:E. however it has arrived. first instance, take EP 23 of season 2, Regeneration, its based on the debris field left by the borg sphere in the movie First Contact. There were technical problems that were used by the writers the urked me however it falls within the confines of the time line. As for the temporal Cold war.. I could do without it, don't get me wrong they make it fit and explain it well as to why events are unfolding this way, by temporal lag so things cannot be fixed right at that time, there is nothing to say that based on the possible;possibilities that its is deemed that the less intrusive method and a style which alters the timeline less would be the way that things are unfolding in the ST:E universe. And reasons as to why things are occurring have been explained well, the sphere builders they lost a war in the future so they get a technological advanced species to destroy the federation in the past so they can win in the future. I can see it getting dropped from production rather quickly next season, and I hope it is not the end of ST series, as I would love to see one based on the romulan wars, and the lost era around Enterprise B - C. or even a future one based in the time of the sphere wars or even one farther along based on a full scale war with the borg, with both the alpha and beta quadrants joined together to defeat them. Nick resistance is futile Lidster ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
however it has arrived. first instance, take EP 23 of season 2, Regeneration, its based on the debris field left by the borg sphere in the movie First Contact. There were technical problems that were used by the writers the urked me however it falls within the confines of the time line. That's OK; I'm not REALLY complaining about that, since it works off of established canon. The problem I have, currently with Trek, is the overreliance on plot motivations coming from TIME TRAVEL. This plot device has been so overused its become a Trek cliche. This series had sooo much going for it, to really break the Trek mold and do things hinted at in later shows, but never really detailed. Like the Romulan War, or the establishment of the Federation. Even though I love the Andorans (and have been complaining for years that they were an underused race that dissappeared in NextGen and later, and only had a cameo appearance in ST4) I think there's plenty of missed opportunities there as well. So instead of using already established, but lesser known species (like the Andorians, or Tellarites, or even Romulans) we get ANOTHER ST alien species flavor of the week (or in this case, season) that ends up being hollow and shallow (we know they're BAD because they're always frowning and talking mean!). After all, the Andorians are IIRC one of the founding members of the Federation, fer chrissakes! Oh well. I wish I was better at writing and maybe I'd do my own version of Enterprise... Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise cancelled?
The problem I have, currently with Trek, is the overreliance on plot motivations coming from TIME TRAVEL. This plot device has been so overused its become a Trek cliche. I disagree. I think the time travel stuff is great. In fact, I think the next series should be based upon the time corp, and their wacky antics keeping the timelines straight. It's Colonel Flagg meets Mulder. They can weave in and out of the past series, and do a lot of What if's... They can repopularize ST cameo appearances. Nerd From Hell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
At 08:28 AM 4/27/04, Damon Agretto wrote: I kind of enjoyed the first season, but came to dislike the way they rewrote the past, doing things that we know from the later shows didn't really happen in the ST universe. Perhaps it's all part of the Temporal Cold War. For all we know, the 'real' timeline may not be real at all. Just a thought... Perhaps, although I think its more the fact that the current writers don't have a strong interest in maintaining continuity. Perhaps, like some Anime, this is in an alternate universe. However, if they do use the Temporal Cold War as the reason, all I have to say is this: L-A-M-E. Nah. The last episode will have Captain Archer wake up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette and realize it was all a dream. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
At 01:53 PM 4/27/04, Thomas Beck wrote: Nah. The last episode will have Captain Archer wake up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette and realize it was all a dream. Be even better if he awakes in bed with Bob Newhart... ;-) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
Damon Agretto wrote: Even though I love the Andorans (and have been complaining for years that they were an underused race that dissappeared in NextGen and later, and only had a cameo appearance in ST4) There's an Andoran in Voyager. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise cancelled?
It's Colonel Flagg meets Mulder. Col. Flagg??? Wow, that's a name I haven't heard for years. I assume that is a MASH reference? :-) As much as I hate to criticize ST:E, I think they have made nothing more than a half-hearted attempt to cash in on the Star Trek franchise. As Damon said, just think of what it could have been. I have had a problem with it from the get-go. They simply have gotten so far away from the original Star Trek history that it wasn't funny. The ORIGINAL Enterprise captain was Robert April. I have no idea what writers guidelines they use, but I do know that the guidelines used for the Star Trek novels were quite different. They demanded continuity, and ST:E seems to throw all of that out of the window. Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
There's an Andoran in Voyager. Umm I never remembered one! Damon. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Enterprise cancelled?
I briefly looked online but couldn't find anything on this On the upcoming preview for next weeks Enterprise episode, the announcer said Only 5 new episodes left. They could have meant until the season finale, but the wording led me to believe otherwise. Has anyone heard anything? Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
