Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[The Fool]

From: Andrew Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> From Julia Thompson
> >>
> >>He probably *is* serious.  (If Andrew could provide the URL I might
> > 
> > be
> > 
> >>able to check out the site and get a better idea of whether or not
> > 
> > it's
> > 
> >>serious or satire.)
> >>
> >>There's lots of awful stuff being said and done in the name of 
> >>"Christianity".
> > 
> > 
> > He Did:
> > <>
> 
> Missed it.  Thanks!  I'll peruse it after the kids have gone 
> to bed (i.e., in 3-3.5 hours).
> 

I think that's best, such things are clearly not kid safe.

Hey, I wonder if you can get a religious filter for web-sites, a kind
of
anti-netnanny,
NetLeftyUncle or something.

---
Liberals don't belive in filtering.  Information _wants_ to be free.
---

And Nick, I know its not the word of God, but it is put around as such,
and that's why if people ask me am I a Christian, I have to think very
carefully about my answer, coos if that's Christianity, then I ain't.

The best part of the site http://www.biblebelievers.com/ was reading
them getting stuck into other religions, Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's
Witness's and going on about what a lot of claptrap these people talk
and how could any idiot believe a word of their rubbish cos it is so
transparently wrong...

E.g. after reading pages about how the KJV bible was NOT a translation,
it was the ETERNAL and LITERAL word of GOD EXACTLY as HE wanted it to
read and exactly as HE spoke it (unlike the RKJV which should burn in
hell) they "proved" that Mormonism was fake because:

---
I told you guys there were KJonlists...

But actually the 'King James Version' has been edited several times. 
It's not actually the same version as what King James  had Authorized.
---

"The Book of Mormon contains many plagiarisms of the King James English
(at least 25,000 words). This is strange since the plates were supposed
to have been in the ground many centuries before the King James Bible
was completed in 1611!"


The 1John 'Trinity' verse is an error that entered into the KJV because
of a forgery.  The BOM quotes this verse.  So yes the BOM DOES
plagiarize the 'Authorized Version".  

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RE: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Andrew Paul]

 
> From Julia Thompson
> >>
> >>He probably *is* serious.  (If Andrew could provide the URL I might
> > 
> > be
> > 
> >>able to check out the site and get a better idea of whether or not
> > 
> > it's
> > 
> >>serious or satire.)
> >>
> >>There's lots of awful stuff being said and done in the name of 
> >>"Christianity".
> > 
> > 
> > He Did:
> > <>
> 
> Missed it.  Thanks!  I'll peruse it after the kids have gone 
> to bed (i.e., in 3-3.5 hours).
> 

I think that's best, such things are clearly not kid safe.

Hey, I wonder if you can get a religious filter for web-sites, a kind of
anti-netnanny,
NetLeftyUncle or something.

And Nick, I know its not the word of God, but it is put around as such,
and that's why if people ask me am I a Christian, I have to think very
carefully about my answer, coos if that's Christianity, then I ain't.

The best part of the site http://www.biblebelievers.com/ was reading
them getting stuck into other religions, Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's
Witness's and going on about what a lot of claptrap these people talk
and how could any idiot believe a word of their rubbish cos it is so
transparently wrong...

E.g. after reading pages about how the KJV bible was NOT a translation,
it was the ETERNAL and LITERAL word of GOD EXACTLY as HE wanted it to
read and exactly as HE spoke it (unlike the RKJV which should burn in
hell) they "proved" that Mormonism was fake because:

"The Book of Mormon contains many plagiarisms of the King James English
(at least 25,000 words). This is strange since the plates were supposed
to have been in the ground many centuries before the King James Bible
was completed in 1611!"

hmmm

God Love Us Maru



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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Julia Thompson]

The Fool wrote:

From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

He probably *is* serious.  (If Andrew could provide the URL I might


be 


able to check out the site and get a better idea of whether or not


it's 


serious or satire.)

There's lots of awful stuff being said and done in the name of 
"Christianity".



He Did:
<>


Missed it.  Thanks!  I'll peruse it after the kids have gone to bed 
(i.e., in 3-3.5 hours).


Julia



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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[The Fool]

> From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Jim Sharkey wrote:
> > Andrew Paul wrote:
> > 
> >>Skimming some fundamentalist web-sites, this caught my eye.
> >>"What if man did establish a lasting world peace? What would be
> >>accomplished by this? Yes, it would be great on the surface to live

> >>on earth in peace, but what would be the long term effect? Answer: 
> >>more sin, more rebellion, more infidelity, more atheism, and more 
> >>apostasy!  Men don't seek God during peaceful times. It is during 
> >>such times that men pursue their carnal and selfish dreams. It is 
> >>during such times that churches fall into apostasy. War, hardship, 
> >>and persecution tend to bring out the best in people, while peace 
> >>and prosperity do just the opposite."
> > 
> > 
> > *blink*
> > 
> > Please tell me this is satire.  I'll grant you, the conclusion
drawn 
> > in the above paragraph regarding when people turn to God is
probably 
> > true.  There are no atheists in foxholes, as the saying goes.  But
if
> > this guy is serious, he scares me.  A lot.
> 
> He probably *is* serious.  (If Andrew could provide the URL I might
be 
> able to check out the site and get a better idea of whether or not
it's 
> serious or satire.)
> 
> There's lots of awful stuff being said and done in the name of 
> "Christianity".

He Did:
<>
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RE: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Horn, John]

> On Behalf Of Nick Arnett
> 
> The diagnosis is irrelevant.  Notwithstanding the idea that 
> one can contract a venereal disease "innocently" (from one's 
> spouse, for example), none of us is so innocent that we have 
> the right to cast judgment.  To act Christian -- Christ-like 
> -- means we are called to use our words and actions to do 
> away away accusations, freeing those around us from the 
> vicious cycle of guilt and error. The truth that sets us free 
> is that all error has already been atoned.

I know that.  And I think this guy, if he did what he did, should be
prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and then sued for
everything he's got or ever will have.  I only posted what I did to
indicate how this guy probably rationalized his decision.

 - jmh
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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Julia Thompson]

Jim Sharkey wrote:

Andrew Paul wrote:


Skimming some fundamentalist web-sites, this caught my eye.
"What if man did establish a lasting world peace? What would be
accomplished by this? Yes, it would be great on the surface to live 
on earth in peace, but what would be the long term effect? Answer: 
more sin, more rebellion, more infidelity, more atheism, and more 
apostasy!  Men don't seek God during peaceful times. It is during 
such times that men pursue their carnal and selfish dreams. It is 
during such times that churches fall into apostasy. War, hardship, 
and persecution tend to bring out the best in people, while peace 
and prosperity do just the opposite."



*blink*

Please tell me this is satire.  I'll grant you, the conclusion drawn 
in the above paragraph regarding when people turn to God is probably 
true.  There are no atheists in foxholes, as the saying goes.  But if

this guy is serious, he scares me.  A lot.


He probably *is* serious.  (If Andrew could provide the URL I might be 
able to check out the site and get a better idea of whether or not it's 
serious or satire.)


There's lots of awful stuff being said and done in the name of 
"Christianity".


Julia
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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Nick Arnett]

On 12/5/05, Andrew Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> "What if man did establish a lasting world peace? What would be
> accomplished by this? Yes, it would be great on the surface to live on
> earth in peace, but what would be the long term effect? Answer: more
> sin, more rebellion, more infidelity, more atheism, and more apostasy!
> Men don't seek God during peaceful times. It is during such times that
> men pursue their carnal and selfish dreams. It is during such times that
> churches fall into apostasy. War, hardship, and persecution tend to
> bring out the best in people, while peace and prosperity do just the
> opposite."
>
> Ahh, so that is the word of God is it... No wonder I don't get it.


No, that's not the word of God.  You didn't get it because whoever wrote
this didn't get it!

It's been hitting me lately that the idea that religion is bad because of
all the bad things done in the name of religion is as silly as the idea that
democracy is bad because of all the bad things done in the name of
democracy.  Any belief can be twisted.  Ideals are corrupted.  Truth is
elusive.

The truth at the core of Christianity is not a book, not a set of beliefs,
not rituals, not a lot of things... it's a person,  a model of
self-sacrifice and goodness, an abused servant, not a vanquishing king.

Nick
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RE: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Jim Sharkey]

Andrew Paul wrote:
>Skimming some fundamentalist web-sites, this caught my eye.
>"What if man did establish a lasting world peace? What would be
>accomplished by this? Yes, it would be great on the surface to live 
>on earth in peace, but what would be the long term effect? Answer: 
>more sin, more rebellion, more infidelity, more atheism, and more 
>apostasy!  Men don't seek God during peaceful times. It is during 
>such times that men pursue their carnal and selfish dreams. It is 
>during such times that churches fall into apostasy. War, hardship, 
>and persecution tend to bring out the best in people, while peace 
>and prosperity do just the opposite."

*blink*

Please tell me this is satire.  I'll grant you, the conclusion drawn 
in the above paragraph regarding when people turn to God is probably 
true.  There are no atheists in foxholes, as the saying goes.  But if
this guy is serious, he scares me.  A lot.

Jim
Fire and Brimstone Maru

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RE: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Andrew Paul]

 

> From: Nick Arnett
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2005 2:58 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex
> 
> >
> > Not only did he refuse to fill the prescription, but he 
> tore it up and 
> > handed it back to her, saying, "God is punishing you for your sin."
> 
> 
> There's a song, "They'll Know We are Christians by Our Love." 
>  I'm having a hard time knowing that this person is a 
> Christian.  Seems to me that he thinks *he* is God, since 
> he's the one who chose to "punish."
> 
> Nick
> 

Seems that a lot of different things can be read into the bible.
Skimming some fundamentalist web-sites, this caught my eye.

"What if man did establish a lasting world peace? What would be
accomplished by this? Yes, it would be great on the surface to live on
earth in peace, but what would be the long term effect? Answer: more
sin, more rebellion, more infidelity, more atheism, and more apostasy!
Men don't seek God during peaceful times. It is during such times that
men pursue their carnal and selfish dreams. It is during such times that
churches fall into apostasy. War, hardship, and persecution tend to
bring out the best in people, while peace and prosperity do just the
opposite."

Ahh, so that is the word of God is it... No wonder I don't get it.

http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/worldpeace.html


Andrew




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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Dave Land]

On Dec 5, 2005, at 4:47 PM, William T Goodall wrote:

The idea that God punishes us in accordance with our sins (or  
calls us to do
the same to others) is about as Biblical as "Godl helps those who  
help

themselves," which is to say it is not.


There are a great many Christians in the USA who feel differently  
than you.


Which is all the more reason for those few of us left (call us "the  
remnant", if you're feeling Biblical) who remember that Jesus didn't  
think that way to remind the world that there is another way.


Jesus was radically generous. Liberal, if you will. The arthritic  
judgement-dealing organization that has grown up around his teachings  
is an abomination, a point on which you and I have plenty of common  
ground.


Dave

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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[William T Goodall]

On 5 Dec 2005, at 9:36 pm, Nick Arnett wrote:


On 12/5/05, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




The diagnosis for the prescription was probably written on the
script as I believe that's required for electronic claim filing
these days.  So the pharmacist probably could see the diagnosis
right there and was reasonably sure it wasn't for something else.
Not that this makes it all better or anything...



The diagnosis is irrelevant.  Notwithstanding the idea that one can  
contract
a venereal disease "innocently" (from one's spouse, for example),  
none of us

is so innocent that we have the right to cast judgment.


It seems a lot of people caught HIV from contaminated blood before  
there was proper screening - Isaac Asimov and Ofra Haza are two  
famous names that come to mind - and who knows how many kept the  
cause of death quiet successfully because of the stigma attached to  
that illness.



To act Christian --
Christ-like -- means we are called to use our words and actions to  
do away
away accusations, freeing those around us from the vicious cycle of  
guilt
and error. The truth that sets us free is that all error has  
already been

atoned.

The idea that God punishes us in accordance with our sins (or calls  
us to do

the same to others) is about as Biblical as "Godl helps those who help
themselves," which is to say it is not.


There are a great many Christians in the USA who feel differently  
than you.


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William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web  : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/

"A bad thing done for a good cause is still a bad thing. It's why so  
few people slap their political opponents. That, and because slapping  
looks so silly." - Randy Cohen.


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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Nick Arnett]

On 12/5/05, Horn, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> The diagnosis for the prescription was probably written on the
> script as I believe that's required for electronic claim filing
> these days.  So the pharmacist probably could see the diagnosis
> right there and was reasonably sure it wasn't for something else.
> Not that this makes it all better or anything...


The diagnosis is irrelevant.  Notwithstanding the idea that one can contract
a venereal disease "innocently" (from one's spouse, for example), none of us
is so innocent that we have the right to cast judgment.  To act Christian --
Christ-like -- means we are called to use our words and actions to do away
away accusations, freeing those around us from the vicious cycle of guilt
and error. The truth that sets us free is that all error has already been
atoned.

The idea that God punishes us in accordance with our sins (or calls us to do
the same to others) is about as Biblical as "Godl helps those who help
themselves," which is to say it is not.

Nick


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RE: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Horn, John]

>  On Behalf Of Julia Thompson
> 
> Valtrex is used to treat stuff OTHER than herpes contracted 
> by sexual contact, and to prevent someone from getting the 
> medication can be life-threatening.

The diagnosis for the prescription was probably written on the
script as I believe that's required for electronic claim filing
these days.  So the pharmacist probably could see the diagnosis
right there and was reasonably sure it wasn't for something else.
Not that this makes it all better or anything...

Makes me glad I fill my prescriptions through a mail-order
company...

 - jmh
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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Julia Thompson]

The Fool wrote:

From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The Fool wrote:


<>

I know a young woman who has the misfortune to have contracted


genital


herpes.

She is on a daily regimen of Valtrex to prevent symptoms from
manifesting themselves.

Recently she took her prescription to a pharmacist who was


apparently a


fundamentalist Christian.

Not only did he refuse to fill the prescription, but he tore it up


and


handed it back to her, saying, "God is punishing you for your sin."


Er, is that tearing up of the prescription legal in that state?  If


not, 


she should press charges.

I know that in some places, the pharmacist has the right to refuse to




fill the prescription, but it's illegal for the pharmacist to prevent




someone else from doing so.



It's a new tactic being encouraged by the evildoers:
<>


If it's illegal, charges should be filed.  Period.  I'm aware of the 
problem (getting this from another online community as well!), and they 
need to be hit over the head with the legal system.


Valtrex is used to treat stuff OTHER than herpes contracted by sexual 
contact, and to prevent someone from getting the medication can be 
life-threatening.


If one of my kids were sick with something that Valtrex was needed for 
and the script was torn up by a pharmacist, I'd be on the phone to the 
county prosecutor in a heartbeat.  And if that didn't do squat, the 
state prosecutor, and if THAT didn't do squat, one of the local news 
stations.


On top of that, young children are sexually abused and can contract STDs 
because of abuse.  Are you going to tell an 11-month-old that the STD is 
its own damn fault and as a sinner it deserves to die?  [fume]


Julia
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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[The Fool]

> From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> The Fool wrote:
> > <>
> > 
> > I know a young woman who has the misfortune to have contracted
genital
> > herpes.
> > 
> > She is on a daily regimen of Valtrex to prevent symptoms from
> > manifesting themselves.
> > 
> > Recently she took her prescription to a pharmacist who was
apparently a
> > fundamentalist Christian.
> > 
> > Not only did he refuse to fill the prescription, but he tore it up
and
> > handed it back to her, saying, "God is punishing you for your sin."
> 
> Er, is that tearing up of the prescription legal in that state?  If
not, 
> she should press charges.
> 
> I know that in some places, the pharmacist has the right to refuse to

> fill the prescription, but it's illegal for the pharmacist to prevent

> someone else from doing so.

It's a new tactic being encouraged by the evildoers:
<>
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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Nick Arnett]

On 12/4/05, The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <>
>
> I know a young woman who has the misfortune to have contracted genital
> herpes.
>
> She is on a daily regimen of Valtrex to prevent symptoms from
> manifesting themselves.
>
> Recently she took her prescription to a pharmacist who was apparently a
> fundamentalist Christian.
>
> Not only did he refuse to fill the prescription, but he tore it up and
> handed it back to her, saying, "God is punishing you for your sin."


There's a song, "They'll Know We are Christians by Our Love."  I'm having a
hard time knowing that this person is a Christian.  Seems to me that he
thinks *he* is God, since he's the one who chose to "punish."

Nick

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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Julia Thompson]

The Fool wrote:

<>

I know a young woman who has the misfortune to have contracted genital
herpes.

She is on a daily regimen of Valtrex to prevent symptoms from
manifesting themselves.

Recently she took her prescription to a pharmacist who was apparently a
fundamentalist Christian.

Not only did he refuse to fill the prescription, but he tore it up and
handed it back to her, saying, "God is punishing you for your sin."


Er, is that tearing up of the prescription legal in that state?  If not, 
she should press charges.


I know that in some places, the pharmacist has the right to refuse to 
fill the prescription, but it's illegal for the pharmacist to prevent 
someone else from doing so.


Julia
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[The Fool]

> From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> At 12:36 AM Monday 12/5/2005, The Fool wrote:
> ><>
> >
> >I know a young woman who has the misfortune to have contracted
genital
> >herpes.
> >
> >She is on a daily regimen of Valtrex to prevent symptoms from
> >manifesting themselves.
> >
> >Recently she took her prescription to a pharmacist who was
apparently a
> >fundamentalist Christian.
> >
> >Not only did he refuse to fill the prescription, but he tore it up
and
> >handed it back to her, saying, "God is punishing you for your sin."
> 
> 
> 
> Some *ahem* "creative" suggestions as to what the patient could have 
> done in retaliation, to be sure, but I didn't see the political 
> affiliation (if indeed any) of the pharmacist was indicated anywhere.
> 

Pop Quiz: Which political party is pushing laws in various states to
legalize the Above?

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Re: RepubliKlan Amerika:Valtrex

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 12:36 AM Monday 12/5/2005, The Fool wrote:

<>

I know a young woman who has the misfortune to have contracted genital
herpes.

She is on a daily regimen of Valtrex to prevent symptoms from
manifesting themselves.

Recently she took her prescription to a pharmacist who was apparently a
fundamentalist Christian.

Not only did he refuse to fill the prescription, but he tore it up and
handed it back to her, saying, "God is punishing you for your sin."




Some *ahem* "creative" suggestions as to what the patient could have 
done in retaliation, to be sure, but I didn't see the political 
affiliation (if indeed any) of the pharmacist was indicated anywhere.



--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton




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