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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:55:21 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music Has anyone mentioned Rush? Yea, there was a thread on his hypocrisy last month. Dan M. Rush, as in the Rock band Rush. Not the drug addicted hypocrite Rush... -Travis happens to the best of us Edmunds _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/featurespgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:55:21 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music Has anyone mentioned Rush? Yea, there was a thread on his hypocrisy last month. Dan M. Rush, as in the Rock band Rush. Not the drug addicted hypocrite Rush... I actually knew that, but I was trying to do a Foghorn Leghorn. :-) Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music Has anyone mentioned Rush? Yea, there was a thread on his hypocrisy last month. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 01:55 PM 1/2/2004, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music Has anyone mentioned Rush? Yea, there was a thread on his hypocrisy last month. Dan M. Oh, haha*, I thought he meant this http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/NAJL10201.htm Alex Lifeson was arrested on six charges including aggravated battery on a law enforcement officer, resisting arrest and disorderly intoxication. Kevin T. - VRWC Living on a lighted stage *I kept reading it, not knowing what Dan meant. I didn't see the word his. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debbi wrote (re: Rush) Their concept album 2112 with the Temples of Syrinx speaks of the 'great computers,' the Solar Federation, and how they have made the world contented: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/9123/lyrics/2112.html snip On the fantasy level is The Trees, about war between the oaks and the maples (last song): http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/9123/lyrics/hemispheres.html I love that song! But the first one from Rush that came to my mind was Red Barchetta. snip I strip away the old debris That hides a shining car: A brilliant red Barchetta From a better vanished time. [snip] Suddenly ahead of me Across the mountainside A gleaming alloy air-car Shoots towards me, two lanes wide... That song on the radio had me night-flying down the Washington coast at gasp 70mph in a 55 zone, before I realized that I was cruisin' for a ticket (I was returning to Portland after a weekend in the Olympic National Park -- ooh, lovely!). :) Then there's Prime Mover, from Hold Your Fire. It might be a little bit of a stretch... snip One of my favorite albums. If Prime Mover is allowed, then it's only a tiny stretch further to allow Dreamline from Roll the Bones... He's got a road map of Jupiter A radar fix on the stars All along the highway... Another good album! snip Movie music on Eric Kunzel's CDs Star Tracks I II (I could have misremembered the titles) is good too - themes from various SF and fantasy films, from ET to The Day The Earth Stood Still. Debbi Crank It Up! Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jim wrote: Personally, I'm Going for the One. But that's just me. Great, now I'll have that song going through my head for weeks. :-) By the way, studio version or the version from YesShows? Reggie Bautista Get in the way as the tons of water Racing with you crashing thru the rudder Once at the start can you gamble That you really surely really mean to finish After seeing all your sense of fear diminish As you treat danger a pure collection As you throw away misconceptions Going for the one Going for the one ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Either Ronn! or Reggie wrote Going For Completeness, Not Necessarily Quality Personally, I'm Going for the One. But that's just me. And on that note, let me add Machine Messiah by Yes to our little chat. Jim Never Met a Reference Joke I Didn't Like Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Debbi wrote (re: Rush) Their concept album 2112 with the Temples of Syrinx speaks of the 'great computers,' the Solar Federation, and how they have made the world contented: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/9123/lyrics/2112.html Many individual songs from multiple albums use science facts or memes to elaborate various themes ; sometimes it's a pun (frex in the dog days of summer/People look to Sirius which I heard as look too serious). [snip] On the fantasy level is The Trees, about war between the oaks and the maples (last song): http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/9123/lyrics/hemispheres.html I love that song! But the first one from Rush that came to my mind was Red Barchetta. My uncle has a country place That no one knows about. He says it used to be a farm Before the Motor Law. And on Sundays I elude the Eyes, And hop the Turbine Freight To far outside the Wire Where my white-haired uncle waits. [snip] I strip away the old debris That hides a shining car: A brilliant red Barchetta From a better vanished time. [snip] Suddenly ahead of me Across the mountainside A gleaming alloy air-car Shoots towards me, two lanes wide... Then there's Prime Mover, from Hold Your Fire. It might be a little bit of a stretch... I set the wheels in motion turn up all the machines activate the programs and run behind the scenes I set the clouds in motion turn up light and sound activate the window and watch the world go 'round If Prime Mover is allowed, then it's only a tiny stretch further to allow Dreamline from Roll the Bones... He's got a road map of Jupiter A radar fix on the stars All along the highway... Getting a way from Rush, and speaking of stretches, how about The Police, Walking on the Moon? Or Syncronicity I? Effect without a cause sub-atomic laws, scientific pause, Syncronicity. And while we're still stretching, there's Nine Inch Nails, The Becoming, from The Downward Spiral I beat my machine it's a part of me it's inside of me... [snip] all pain disappears it's the nature of my circuitry drowns out all I hear there's no escape from this my new consciousness [snip] the me that you know is now made up of wires... And heck, since the original email said horror would work too, then just about the entire Downward Spiral album would fit. Back to sci-fi, I'm sure at least 3 or 4 songs from Billy Idol's album Cyberpunk would qualify. Maybe Tomorrow People... A time warp scene a cy-fi story a dirt coloured love new hope for glory or Neuromancer (describes the world from the William Gibson novel) or Love Labours On (supposedly written about John Conner from Terminator 2). This is probably not Billy Idol's best-known album, but it has some really interesting (and really fun) stuff on it. How about King Crimson's 21st Century Schizoid Man? And did anybody mention Mister Roboto by Styx? And as far as fantasy, did anyone mention Led Zeppelin, The Battle of Evermore? Ooh, and back to horror, how about Motley Crue, In the Beginning (the intro to Shout at the Devil). In the beginning Good always overpowered the evils Of all man's sins... But in time The nations grew weak And our cities fell to slums While evil stood strong In the dusts of Hell Lurked the blackest of hates For he whom they feared awaited them... Now, many many lifetimes later Lay destroyed, beaten, beaten down Only the corpses of rebels Ashes of dreams And blood-stained streets... I know there's a bunch more that are not coming to mind right now, and most of them are far more on-topic than the ones I've listed. But sadly I'm away from the bulk of my CD collection right now so I can't just go look the m up. But this thread is fun! Reggie Bautista Sorry for the sleepy ramblings Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:19 AM 12/27/03, Reggie Bautista wrote: Ronn! wrote: Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft? Would that be the original by Klaatu (who some people think were a reunited Beatles performing under cover, as it were), or the remake by The Carpenters (I kid you not)? http://www.vex.net/~paulmac/carpenter/lyrics/calling_occupants.html Going For Completeness, Not Necessarily Quality Maru Which version do you think I was referring to with that postscript? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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* Robert Seeberger [Mon, 22/12/2003 at 19:18 -0600] Something I have been thinking about a lot lately is music with Science Fictional and Fantasmal themes. I'm thinking of the rockopera Starmania -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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* Jean-Marc Chaton [Sat, 27/12/2003 at 22:31 +0100] * Robert Seeberger [Mon, 22/12/2003 at 19:18 -0600] Something I have been thinking about a lot lately is music with Science Fictional and Fantasmal themes. I'm thinking of the rockopera Starmania I've just come across it's named Tycoon in its English version. -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music At 12:19 AM 12/27/03, Reggie Bautista wrote: Ronn! wrote: Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft? Would that be the original by Klaatu (who some people think were a reunited Beatles performing under cover, as it were), or the remake by The Carpenters (I kid you not)? http://www.vex.net/~paulmac/carpenter/lyrics/calling_occupants.html Going For Completeness, Not Necessarily Quality Maru Which version do you think I was referring to with that postscript? -- Ronn! :) Both? (Klaatu would be the quality, The Carpenters would be the completeness...) Reggie Bautista ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn! wrote: Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft? Would that be the original by Klaatu (who some people think were a reunited Beatles performing under cover, as it were), or the remake by The Carpenters (I kid you not)? http://www.vex.net/~paulmac/carpenter/lyrics/calling_occupants.html Going For Completeness, Not Necessarily Quality Maru Or maybe for shear, unadulterated fear? ;-) Reggie Bautista ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Fantasy Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds I Am the Walrus Octopus's Garden UFOs/Aliens Inca Roads, Zappa It Came Out of the Sky, CCR They're Not Here, They're Not Comming, Don Henley Space travel Space Truckin', Deep Purple Mr. Spaceman, Byrds Utopia Imagine, John Lennon One World (Not Three), Police Apocolypse: The Sun is Burning, Simon and Garfunkle When the World Ends, Dave Mathews Band Uplift: Evelyn a Modified Dog, Zappa 8^) -- Doug Evelyn, a dog, having undergone Further modification Pondered the significance of short-person behavior In pedal-depressed panchromatic resonance And other highly ambient domains... Arf she said ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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How could you leave out Zager and Evans one-hit wonder? At 07:18 PM 12/22/03, Robert Seeberger wrote: Something I have been thinking about a lot lately is music with Science Fictional and Fantasmal themes. Offhand, bands like Pink Floyd and Hawkwind spring to mind immediately. But I have been thinking that the band that has done the most and/or the best with SF and Fantasy themes is Blue Oyster Cult. So if we were pretending to give out an award for best SFF song, album, and group of the 20th century, I would (pending suggestions from others) nominate the following: BEST SONG: Black Blade by Blue Oyster Cult After The Goldrush by Neil Young Space Oddity by David Bowie Homeworld by Yes (You knew I was gonna sneak them in thereG) Rocket Man by Elton John '39 by Queen Ramble On by Led Zeppelin Come Sail Away by Styx 8 Miles High by The Byrds BEST ALBUM: In Search Of Space by Hawkwind 2112 by Rush Diamond Dogs by David Bowie I, Robot by The Alan Parsons Project BEST GROUP: Blue Oyster Cult? Almost every album has a song or two that SFFnal. These guys must really like SFF. They even wrote some songs with Michael Moorcock (Black Blade is about Elric, and is one ass kicking song.) Some songs by Blue Oyster Cult: The Red And The Black Seven Screaming Diz-Busters Don't Fear The Reaper Godzilla Harvester Of Eyes Flaming Telepaths Veteran Of The Psychic Wars E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) Workshop Of The Telescopes Astronomy Take Me Away The Alan Parsons Project? Puulease..Just look at their catalogue. Its virtually all SFF!!! _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_ I'd like to see some suggestions from others, and criticisms too There ought to be a few limits too: No Purple People Eater comedy type songs. No instrumentals (Names are just too little to go on) Songs or albums must have a distinct and clear reference to SFF tropes. (I'm including Horror as a subgenre of Fantasy, in case that wasn't very clear. So Horror is fair game.) And suggestions for BEST GROUP should come with some justification as to why you think a band or artist is the best SFFnal group or artist. Now I know I haven't come close to covering all the bases in this post. So tell me what I missed and where I am wrong!!G xponent Starman Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Also if we're including fantasy in the mix, I'd nominate The Misfits/Samhain/Danzig too. A lot of their/his music had dark fantasy or horror overtones (IIRC that's pretty much what the Misfits were about...). Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:04:30 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: RE: Science Fiction In Music Although the music mentioned certainly has sf/f themes, I don't think that's the sole basis of the music itself. Sure some may be quite literally 100% influenced by sf/f, but I think (I hesitate to use the word majority) some of that music might just be music, and the whole sf/f themes or influences thing may just be wishful thinking. This is just my opinion though... No No NO...Its a perfectly valid point. A point similar to discussions I have been involved in many times over the years. There is a gray area where themes may seem to be implied, yet not explicitly stated. The examples I gave are ones where the theme is either explicit in the lyrics, or verified in some other way by the creator(s). (Such as in liner notes or in interviews) This by itself can be voluminous discussion.G xponent You Are Helpful Actually Maru rob Ok that cleared things up a little. -Travis some more suggestions later Edmunds _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: I'd like to see some suggestions from others, and criticisms too There ought to be a few limits too: No Purple People Eater comedy type songs. No instrumentals (Names are just too little to go on) Songs or albums must have a distinct and clear reference to SFF tropes. (I'm including Horror as a subgenre of Fantasy, in case that wasn't very clear. So Horror is fair game.) And suggestions for BEST GROUP should come with some justification as to why you think a band or artist is the best SFFnal group or artist. Now I know I haven't come close to covering all the bases in this post. So tell me what I missed and where I am wrong!!G OK, your rules rule out Fresh Aire V by Mannheim Steamroller. That's about all I can come up with this morning that hasn't already been mentioned. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music Robert Seeberger wrote: I'd like to see some suggestions from others, and criticisms too There ought to be a few limits too: No Purple People Eater comedy type songs. No instrumentals (Names are just too little to go on) Songs or albums must have a distinct and clear reference to SFF tropes. (I'm including Horror as a subgenre of Fantasy, in case that wasn't very clear. So Horror is fair game.) And suggestions for BEST GROUP should come with some justification as to why you think a band or artist is the best SFFnal group or artist. Now I know I haven't come close to covering all the bases in this post. So tell me what I missed and where I am wrong!!G OK, your rules rule out Fresh Aire V by Mannheim Steamroller. That's about all I can come up with this morning that hasn't already been mentioned. Don't be hasty!G Now if one can make an argument for an album being SFFnal, it has to be considered I would think. Fresh Aire V appears to be a concept album, and that would make it allowable. xponent Not So Much Hard Rules As Soft Guidelines Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something I have been thinking about a lot lately is music with Science Fictional and Fantasmal themes. snippage No one's mentioned Rush yet - oh, goody, so I get to! Their concept album 2112 with the Temples of Syrinx speaks of the 'great computers,' the Solar Federation, and how they have made the world contented: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/9123/lyrics/2112.html Many individual songs from multiple albums use science facts or memes to elaborate various themes ; sometimes it's a pun (frex in the dog days of summer/People look to Sirius which I heard as look too serious). Data might have found this one poignant: http://www.2112.net/xanadu/lyrics/gup.html#thebodyelectric The Body Electric One humanoid escapee/One android on the run Seeking freedom beneath/A lonely desert sun Trying to change its program Trying to change the mode ---/Crack the code Images conflicting/Into data overload 1-0-0-1-0-0-1/S.O.S./1-0-0-1-0-0-1/In distress 1-0-0-1-0-0 Memory banks unloading/Bytes break into bits Unit one's in trouble/And it's scared out of its wits Guidance systems break down/A struggle to exist --- To resist ---/A pulse of dying power In a clenching plastic fist... (More at the above site; also check out the first song, Distant Early Warning w/ references to 'heavy water' and satellites.) Chain Lightning makes me think of the Uplift universe: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/9123/lyrics/presto.html Energy is contagious/Enthusiasm spreads Tides respond to lunar gravitation Everything turns in synchronous relation Laughter is infectious/Excitement goes to my head Winds are stirred by planets in rotation Sparks ignite and spread new information Respond, vibrate, feed back, resonate Sun dogs fire on the horizon Meteor rain stars across the night This moment may be brief/But it can be so bright On the fantasy level is The Trees, about war between the oaks and the maples (last song): http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/9123/lyrics/hemispheres.html and Rivendell (next-to-last song) at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/9123/lyrics/fbn.html Debbi Oh, There Are Many More But I'll Stifle Myself Maru:) __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Kevin Tarr wrote: Iron Madien also has Stranger in a Strange Land and To Tame A Land (about Dune). Or much of the Somewhere in Time album too. Glad to have seen 2112 on that list. I missed it the first time through, and had to reread for fear that someone on the list had gone insane. ;-) You could conceivably add the Signals and Power Windows albums too. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 07:18 PM 12/22/2003 -0600, you wrote: snippage The Alan Parsons Project? Puulease..Just look at their catalogue. Its virtually all SFF!!! Yep. Gotta agree with you on that one. I'd go with I, Robot by APP. john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 12:06 AM 12/23/2003, you wrote: A message for Kevin for tomorrow! And what a short turn around it is. - Original Message - From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: RE: Science Fiction In Music I'm not trying to be confrontational, but you'd have to carry a lot of water to say you are the (sorry Nick) resident music freak. He is still pretty new here. So he deserves some slack. Besides he seems like a pretty nice guy IMO. No harm. No foul. G I know. I just read it and wrote my mind. No apologies. I have to side with Rob. BOC is very SF. In fact (much to my delight) he didn't list Sole Survivor, close to my favorite song, with Secret Treaties being my favorite album. (But I'll admit to not knowing Black Blade, never heard of it). Black Blade is on Cultasaurus Erectus along with Joan Crawford Has Risen From The Grave. If you like BOC, you are gonna love Black Blade. Its absolutely one of the best pieces the band ever created. Buck Dharma's guitar smokes all over the song. Well, I had CE when it came out all those years ago. I don't know any of the songs on it now, I never got it on tape or CD. Joan Crawford is on Fire of Unknown Origin, the same one that has Sole Survivor. How does a band from New York City end up writing such messed up lyrics? They write better song titles than lyrics.G Actually, I think the quality of their lyrics has improved greatly over the years. But I agree that on the first three albums they could be pretty bad. Woah Nelly! I didn't mean messed up as bad. (And not trying to put down Deep Purple with this example). Just compare Highway Star to: Clock strikes twelve and moondrops burst Out at you from their hiding place Like acid and oil on a madmans face His reason tends to fly away Like lesser birds on the four winds Like silver scrapes in May And now the sands become a crust Most of you have gone away Or this (about a German jet in WWII) Get me through these radars, no, I cannot fail While my great silver slugs are eager to feed I cant failNo, not now When twenty five bombers wait ripe They hung there dependent from the sky Like some heavy metal fruit These bombers are ripe and ready to tilt Must these Englishmen live that I might die Must they live that I might die ME 262 prince of turbojet Junkers Jumo 004 Blasts from clustered R4/M quartets in my snout And see these English planes go burn (Wonder if Eric Bloom ever spoke with Roger Waters?) Yes it's nonsensical, but it works. Other bands are struggling to compare women with cars and these guys are writing this on their third album. Would the themes of Boston's first three albums qualify? Only one or two songs were SFish, but they had the cover art. Great covers, but not SFFnal that I can recall. I'm thinking of the instrumental before It's Easy on the second release. I know you were discounting instrumentals, but you can certainly make distinctions between western sounding and urban, so some instrumentals can sound SF. Iron Madien also has Stranger in a Strange Land and To Tame A Land (about Dune). Not fantasy DnD at all. I don't think any of Pink Floyd's music is SF related. It works as a soundtrack, but not as directly as the above. Heck, they are more agrarian than futuristic. I always thought of it as either Horror or an Orwellian nightmare. I may have been stretching that. What about Devo? The Devolution theme is SFish, but none of their songs really fit the bill. I love DEVO. The whole DEVO concept is SFish as is quite a bit of Oingo Boingo's music. I think you would have to fit them into the Phillip K. Dick reality is turning against me conspiracy/paranoia theme file. Marginally SF at best. Can't add any more right now. I only flipped the 'puter on because of insomnia. Hopefully my 15 hour working day tomorrow will fix that. Good Luck! xponent Peek-A-Boo Ha Ha Ha Ha Peek-A-Boo Maru rob I started this at 5am, just got home to finish it. I saw the Peek A boo and it meant nothing then. Thanks for it. Kevin T. - VRWC Back to sleep again, only nine hour day tomorrow ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: Iron Madien also has Stranger in a Strange Land and To Tame A Land (about Dune). Or much of the Somewhere in Time album too. Glad to have seen 2112 on that list. I missed it the first time through, and had to reread for fear that someone on the list had gone insane. ;-) You could conceivably add the Signals and Power Windows albums too. Ooops! Sorry, I missed the 2112 reference! OTOH, I didn't know that was the name of the album when I looked Rush stuff up (their early singing is too screechy for my ears). Debbi Color Me Blushing Maru :} __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:59 AM 12/23/2003, you wrote: From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Science Fiction In Music Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:26:08 -0500 I'm not trying to be confrontational, but you'd have to carry a lot of water to say you are the (sorry Nick) resident music freak. Well I'm a newbie here. So I guess I'll start carrying some water. (btw, the confrontational thing...don't worry about it. Let me have whatever you can dish out if you feel so inclined. I simply enjoy discussion) smiling seriously, I didn't mean it that way. As I said, it was one comment that I didn't want to let go, my fault. And I'm not saying I'm anywhere near the level that others are. I know my little realm of music, but over a larger area I'm lost. Would the themes of Boston's first three albums qualify? Only one or two songs were SFish, but they had the cover art. Not to sound confrontational, but you're answering your own question by saying that only one or two songs were SFish. And of course the cover art is well known.lol Sorry, I'm not trying to be an idiot. I come off a little abrasive at times. Iron Madien also has Stranger in a Strange Land and To Tame A Land (about Dune). Not fantasy DnD at all. My comments on Maiden were very generalized. In that sense they are very DD. I was only pointing these songs out because they are directly about two books. OH! Just thought of this Rob. On Bucketheads album Monsters and Robots (SF related in the title alone) he samples R2-D2 (Star Wars) in one of his songs. Thought you might like to know. -Travis trying to think of the song title Edmunds Kevin T. - VRWC Now I'm going to bed ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Julia Thompson wrote: Julia need to start putting starships on the Christmas tree now... Tree is decorated. The R2D2 ornament beeps and whistles when you hit a button on it. :) (That's about as close to the subject line as I can get with that tree. Spock, Worf, Janeway and The Borg hardly *sing* on their starship ornaments) Starships and angels and bears, oh my! Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music At 12:06 AM 12/23/2003, you wrote: A message for Kevin for tomorrow! And what a short turn around it is. - Original Message - From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: RE: Science Fiction In Music I have to side with Rob. BOC is very SF. In fact (much to my delight) he didn't list Sole Survivor, close to my favorite song, with Secret Treaties being my favorite album. (But I'll admit to not knowing Black Blade, never heard of it). Black Blade is on Cultasaurus Erectus along with Joan Crawford Has Risen From The Grave. If you like BOC, you are gonna love Black Blade. Its absolutely one of the best pieces the band ever created. Buck Dharma's guitar smokes all over the song. Well, I had CE when it came out all those years ago. I don't know any of the songs on it now, I never got it on tape or CD. Joan Crawford is on Fire of Unknown Origin, the same one that has Sole Survivor. Oopsyou are rightmy goof! How does a band from New York City end up writing such messed up lyrics? They write better song titles than lyrics.G Actually, I think the quality of their lyrics has improved greatly over the years. But I agree that on the first three albums they could be pretty bad. Woah Nelly! I didn't mean messed up as bad. (And not trying to put down Deep Purple with this example). Just compare Highway Star to: [Snip Examples for brevity] I was thinking more along the lines of: My heart is black and my lips are cold Cities on flame with rock and roll Three thousand guitars They seem to cry My ears will melt and then my eyes Let the girl, let that girl rock and roll Cities on flame, now, with rock and roll and OD'd on life, life itself OD'd on life itself, OD'd on life itself the power of powers and once luminous spell OD'd on life, life itself OD'd on life itself, OD'd on life itself crumpled like grave cloths and hipped to the help and you've. OD'd on life itself and Canadian Mounted, baby Police force at work Red and Black It's their color scheme Get their man In the end It's all right it's all right It's all right it's all right It's all right ah, yeah my honeys know it's all right It's all right it's all right It's all right it's all right It's all right ah, yeah baby knows it's all right You'd kill, you'd maim ah, c'mon kill 'em You'd kill, you'd maim look out OTOH, BOC uses some imagery that I am quite fond of: Riding the underground Swimming in sweat A rumble above and below Hey cop don't you know The heat's on all right The hot summer day didn't quit for the night 1277 express to heaven Speeding along like dynamite 1277 express to heaven Rumbles the steel like a dogfight You caught me in its spell Trying to leave but you know darn well The heat from below can burn your eyes out Blackened out eyes Scratched on the wall Stoned out looks from the crowd The king will not know On the wall it was said The flash of his cards was sprayed with red xponent Rumbles The Steel Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Science Fiction In Music
How about: ELP, Karn Evil, 3rd Impression (Brain Salad Surgery) ELF, Tarkus (Tarkus) (the SF elements are the cover, which follows the song!) Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Science Fiction In Music
- Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music How about: ELP, Karn Evil, 3rd Impression (Brain Salad Surgery) ELF, Tarkus (Tarkus) (the SF elements are the cover, which follows the song!) Album covershm That's another category I suppose. OK I now nominate every Yes album. G xponent Just A Joke Folks Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Album covershm No, what I meant is that to understand the song you have to follow along with the album cover (which had a number of pictures depicting movements within the song, and telling the story of Tarkus). Its sort of like following along with they lyrics, except this time the lyrics are pictures... Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Science Fiction In Music
- Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music Album covershm No, what I meant is that to understand the song you have to follow along with the album cover (which had a number of pictures depicting movements within the song, and telling the story of Tarkus). Its sort of like following along with they lyrics, except this time the lyrics are pictures... OhI understood, it was just a good setup for a jokeG. But that is an interesting point you make, and not one I would reject out of hand. Great album too xponent Humor Gets the Best Of Me Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Science Fiction In Music
In a message dated 12/22/2003 6:17:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There ought to be a few limits too: No Purple People Eater comedy type songs. Well what other type of music do you think I listen to? If you exclude Purple People Eater, I guess you also have to exclude George Rock's singing of I'm the Captain of the Spaceship as done on one of my Spike Jones tapes. Ptfowey! I also have to nominate Raymond Scot's Powerhouse, NONVOCAL, as heard on many a WB cartoon. Holst, The Planets, goes high on my list. Ok. You, yawn mostly want rock tunes. In the Year 2525, goes very low--but it is on the list. And Benson Arizona! So there. William Taylor - When you wish upon a star, You should do so from afar. For if you wish -upon- a star. You'll burn to a crisp. --Traditional lyrics. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: Something I have been thinking about a lot lately is music with Science Fictional and Fantasmal themes. One of my daughters' favourite bands these days is led by a girl, Pitty, and she has some sf-based songs. She even dedicates the album to the prophets Asimov, Aldous Huxley and George Orwell, with a praise to Kubrick :-) I don't know if someone has put it in the Free Sites, but the song is _Admiravel Chip Novo_ Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Science Fiction In Music
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music In a message dated 12/22/2003 6:17:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There ought to be a few limits too: No Purple People Eater comedy type songs. Well what other type of music do you think I listen to? If you exclude Purple People Eater, I guess you also have to exclude George Rock's singing of I'm the Captain of the Spaceship as done on one of my Spike Jones tapes. Ptfowey! I also have to nominate Raymond Scot's Powerhouse, NONVOCAL, as heard on many a WB cartoon. There's tons of songs that make light of SFFnal themes. They're a dime a dozen from Dr. Demento to recorded filk. But since most SFFnal literature takes something of a serious tone, thats what I'm looking at. Comedy that uses SFFnal themes is still comedy, but not really SFF, or at least not necessarily. Holst, The Planets, goes high on my list. I agree. Mars is still one of my favorite classical pieces. (Even though it has been overused to the point that it almost a mockery of itself.) Ok. You, yawn mostly want rock tunes. Hey!G If you suggest Puff The Magic Dragon, its a good suggestion. Its kind of a silly song, but it tells a fantasy story and does it straight. Heck, lots of folks might vote for it. And it's not a rock tune. And I'm not limiting the subject to rock music. No, not at all. It's just to the best of my knowledge, rock is the only music genre to seriously use SFF as a theme. I think that comes from the rock generations increased interest in SFF. But pieces intended for comedic effect are something of a different subject. If you know of some non-rock music that fits the bill, I would be very glad to hear of it. And I don't have a problem with intentional thread drift, If you know what I mean sailor. ;) In the Year 2525, goes very low--but it is on the list. True, it fits the bill. And Benson Arizona! I'm not familiar with that one. Can you tell me anything about it? So there. Wilson.I mean WilliamI'm sorry if you are feeling left out in this thread, but I think that if you wait it out, your opportunities will present themselves.G xponent The All Inclusive Oz Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: RE: Science Fiction In Music Well this is right up my alley. You're talking to the resident music freak here! There's 4 or 5 here to keep you company.G First of all though let me point out something. You said you'd like some suggestions and criticisms. Well here's where I criticize: Although the music mentioned certainly has sf/f themes, I don't think that's the sole basis of the music itself. Sure some may be quite literally 100% influenced by sf/f, but I think (I hesitate to use the word majority) some of that music might just be music, and the whole sf/f themes or influences thing may just be wishful thinking. This is just my opinion though... No No NO...Its a perfectly valid point. A point similar to discussions I have been involved in many times over the years. There is a gray area where themes may seem to be implied, yet not explicitly stated. The examples I gave are ones where the theme is either explicit in the lyrics, or verified in some other way by the creator(s). (Such as in liner notes or in interviews) This by itself can be voluminous discussion.G On to some suggestions. Bands like Iron Maiden and Iced Earth cater to the over the top dungeons dragons type metal, which in a way could be considered Fantasmal themes. The song Electric Eye by Judas Priest deals with satellite surveillance. Yngwie Malmsteen does the whole dungeons dragons bit as well. Current Guns N Roses lead guitarist Buckethead has done instrumental work for the likes of Dragon Ball Z movies. Some might even consider the tune Judgement Day by Whitesnake a fantasy oriented song of sorts. Monster Magnet in the song Look To Your Orb For The Warning talks about the spaceship/landed at your doorstep. This is what I was looking for actually. Music I never heard or didn't think of. Many, many bands/artists/songs with sf/f themes. However I find myself asking this question: is it just wishful thinking for the most part? I don't think so. I think its an artifact of recent generations. Especially since Sputnik. -Travis not trying to take the fun out of this at all Edmunds xponent You Are Helpful Actually Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Science Fiction In Music
In a message dated 12/22/2003 8:42:51 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: agree. Mars is still one of my favorite classical pieces. (Even though it has been overused to the point that it almost a mockery of itself.) The same goes for Carmina Burana (horrible spelling probably.) And Benson Arizona! I'm not familiar with that one. Can you tell me anything about it? It's in the SF movie Dark Star, written by the FX guy named...um... Bill Taylor. Someone more expert on the movie has stated that the water music was from a real composer. That could go on the list as well. William Taylor No relation. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Science Fiction In Music
Well this is right up my alley. You're talking to the resident music freak here! First of all though let me point out something. You said you'd like some suggestions and criticisms. Well here's where I criticize: Although the music mentioned certainly has sf/f themes, I don't think that's the sole basis of the music itself. Sure some may be quite literally 100% influenced by sf/f, but I think (I hesitate to use the word majority) some of that music might just be music, and the whole sf/f themes or influences thing may just be wishful thinking. This is just my opinion though... On to some suggestions. Bands like Iron Maiden and Iced Earth cater to the over the top dungeons dragons type metal, which in a way could be considered Fantasmal themes. The song Electric Eye by Judas Priest deals with satellite surveillance. Yngwie Malmsteen does the whole dungeons dragons bit as well. Current Guns N Roses lead guitarist Buckethead has done instrumental work for the likes of Dragon Ball Z movies. Some might even consider the tune Judgement Day by Whitesnake a fantasy oriented song of sorts. Monster Magnet in the song Look To Your Orb For The Warning talks about the spaceship/landed at your doorstep. Many, many bands/artists/songs with sf/f themes. However I find myself asking this question: is it just wishful thinking for the most part? -Travis not trying to take the fun out of this at all Edmunds I'm not trying to be confrontational, but you'd have to carry a lot of water to say you are the (sorry Nick) resident music freak. I have to side with Rob. BOC is very SF. In fact (much to my delight) he didn't list Sole Survivor, close to my favorite song, with Secret Treaties being my favorite album. (But I'll admit to not knowing Black Blade, never heard of it). How does a band from New York City end up writing such messed up lyrics? The worst mistake ever made was choosing Sammy Hager's Heavy Metal over BOCs for the title song of the soundtrack . (Well, now that the song is in my head, it is a little light.) I can think of no other bands that have music that deals so much in SF. Would the themes of Boston's first three albums qualify? Only one or two songs were SFish, but they had the cover art. Iron Madien also has Stranger in a Strange Land and To Tame A Land (about Dune). Not fantasy DnD at all. I don't think any of Pink Floyd's music is SF related. It works as a soundtrack, but not as directly as the above. Heck, they are more agrarian than futuristic. What about Devo? The Devolution theme is SFish, but none of their songs really fit the bill. Can't add any more right now. I only flipped the 'puter on because of insomnia. Hopefully my 15 hour working day tomorrow will fix that. Kevin T. - VRWC Off to bed, perchance to dream ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Science Fiction In Music
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Science Fiction In Music In a message dated 12/22/2003 8:42:51 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And Benson Arizona! I'm not familiar with that one. Can you tell me anything about it? It's in the SF movie Dark Star, written by the FX guy named...um... Bill Taylor. Ahhh...OK.I have that on DVD. I also saw the movie in its first nationwide theatrical release. Dan O'Bannon had something to do with it too I think. (He's the guy who created the Eat Your Brains Zombie movies, not the Farscape fellow) Someone more expert on the movie has stated that the water music was from a real composer. That could go on the list as well. Really? I would have thought that was John Carpenter. (He scores most of his own films) xponent Old SciFi Fanatic Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 12/22/2003 10:04:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He is still pretty new here. So he deserves some slack. Besides he seems like a pretty nice guy IMO. No harm. No foul. On the other hand, if you try to put slacks on most fowl, you will come to harm. On the other other hand, I think the most modern straight vocal music album I have is by Cab Calloway. I think the best rendition of a Beatles song I have is Peter Sellers doing a shakespearean rendition of Hard Days Night in the voice of Sir Laurence Olivier. So I have no idea what da hell most of you are talking about. William Taylor All in all just another Buick in the wall. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
