Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
> Kevin Tarr wrote: > > > I was showed by an older electrician how to play with high voltage. I've > > had 480 dancing on my finger tips. I was with him unhooking a house from > > the outside electric, which someone turned on. He twisted his ankle falling > > from the ladder after getting shocked but was otherwise okay. We took a > > break and he went back at it. > > How high was he when he fell? > > And how many people get hurt every year because someone comes along and > turns on the power they've shut off so they can work *safely*? > Better question is how many are killed. rob It was near twenty feet*, he fell on grass, hit and rolled then popped up standing. He said he hurt himself when he popped up! He was in his fifties, I couldn't have done that and I was 24. Here is the bad part: the power wasn't off, but there was supposed to be nothing turned on in the house. So there was voltage but no current. I didn't understand it, I was there just to help. It was a mostly empty rental house. Someone decided to plug the fridge in. When it turned on, bang. Let me tell you about the time I was on a high lift inside a factory working on lights and saw the overhead crane coming at me, fast.in fact the brother of a friend of mine was killed by an overhead crane. He had it locked out but it was wired wrong, the other kill switch re-activated the power when pushed in. Let me tell you why I'm a computer programmer now, the scariest thing I have to do is drive in and ride the elevator... Kevin T. *It was only a 24 foot ladder and he was below the top, so his feet may have been at 12-14 feet. But still,,,. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side > Kevin Tarr wrote: > > > I was showed by an older electrician how to play with high voltage. I've > > had 480 dancing on my finger tips. I was with him unhooking a house from > > the outside electric, which someone turned on. He twisted his ankle falling > > from the ladder after getting shocked but was otherwise okay. We took a > > break and he went back at it. > > How high was he when he fell? > > And how many people get hurt every year because someone comes along and > turns on the power they've shut off so they can work *safely*? > Better question is how many are killed. xponent I Speak To You Through Electrical Language Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
Kevin Tarr wrote: at least 29 INCH* * Sorry Alberto I always find it amusing that we measure our TV screens in cm and our computer screens in inches. I know why of course (we still have 3½ and 5¼ inch drive bays as well), but it does seem silly. Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
Kevin Tarr wrote: > I was showed by an older electrician how to play with high voltage. I've > had 480 dancing on my finger tips. I was with him unhooking a house from > the outside electric, which someone turned on. He twisted his ankle falling > from the ladder after getting shocked but was otherwise okay. We took a > break and he went back at it. How high was he when he fell? And how many people get hurt every year because someone comes along and turns on the power they've shut off so they can work *safely*? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
Was it on this list awhile back (at least back while we were on the Cornell server) that we had the discussion about always being careful to discharge the flyback capacitor before doing any work on a TV set or computer monitor (and at least one person¹ confessed to have learned that lesson the hard way . . . )? _ ¹Not me. I learned how to do it when I was tasked with writing a computer maintenance manual many years ago, and so far have never forgotten to do so before sticking my finger in that little hole on the side of the CRT (or anywhere else inside the set for that matter) . . . --Ronn! :) That was me, very first day on the job as a TV repair person. We were picking up a big tube, at least 29 INCH* and my finger slipped right into the hole. WHAM! The person I was working with didn't know about the voltage either, he just stood there and laughed. I was showed by an older electrician how to play with high voltage. I've had 480 dancing on my finger tips. I was with him unhooking a house from the outside electric, which someone turned on. He twisted his ankle falling from the ladder after getting shocked but was otherwise okay. We took a break and he went back at it. Kevin T. * Sorry Alberto ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
At 07:10 PM 12/3/02 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Adam C. Lipscomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side > I learned the 3 rules of plumbing some years ago, and I'll share them > with you now. > > (1) Hot water goes on the left > (2) Shit goes downhill > (3) Payday's on Friday > > That's really all you need to know. > > Well, that, and (4) Make triple sure you've turned off the water > before touching the pipes. One think that I learned from my dad: make quadruple sure the high voltage is off before you work on it. :-) I once screamed at a nice woman because I was working on a high current high voltage switching system, and had turned it all off nicely. She turned it back on behind my back while I was working. That was before the days of "lock out" Was it on this list awhile back (at least back while we were on the Cornell server) that we had the discussion about always being careful to discharge the flyback capacitor before doing any work on a TV set or computer monitor (and at least one person¹ confessed to have learned that lesson the hard way . . . )? _ ¹Not me. I learned how to do it when I was tasked with writing a computer maintenance manual many years ago, and so far have never forgotten to do so before sticking my finger in that little hole on the side of the CRT (or anywhere else inside the set for that matter) . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Toilets! Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
At 08:18 PM 12/3/02 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Toilets are useful things that all of us come in contact with several times a day, and when they malfunction, it's a problem. (Notice that a significant portion of the toilet talk is about ones that aren't working optimally, at the very least?) Why is that any different from anyone discussing their computer problems? (At least we haven't had anything resembling an OS war on the toilet front!) How about regular versus "low-flow"? (Which is frequently "NO-flow" . . . providing a counterexample to Adam's Second Law of Plumbing, in that it just sits there and ferments rather than going down the pipe . . . ) --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam C. Lipscomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side > > > > I learned the 3 rules of plumbing some years ago, and I'll share them > > with you now. > > > > (1) Hot water goes on the left > > (2) Shit goes downhill > > (3) Payday's on Friday > > > > That's really all you need to know. > > > > Well, that, and (4) Make triple sure you've turned off the water > > before touching the pipes. > > One think that I learned from my dad: make quadruple sure the high voltage > is off before you work on it. :-) > > I once screamed at a nice woman because I was working on a high current > high voltage switching system, and had turned it all off nicely. She > turned it back on behind my back while I was working. That was before the > days of "lock out" > > Dan M. Been there! xponent Electrician Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Toilets! Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
Russell Chapman wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > >Julia > > > >who is hoping not to have to make any toilet adjustments for a good long > >time to come > > > What is it with this list and toilets? It's like we've outlawed the > nazis and toilets have snuck in as our default level that all threads > will eventually reach... > :-) Toilets are useful things that all of us come in contact with several times a day, and when they malfunction, it's a problem. (Notice that a significant portion of the toilet talk is about ones that aren't working optimally, at the very least?) Why is that any different from anyone discussing their computer problems? (At least we haven't had anything resembling an OS war on the toilet front!) Julia who has childproofing stuff for her computer and her toilets, none of which is installed at the moment, but can be fairly quickly if it becomes an issue ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
Julia Thompson wrote: Julia who is hoping not to have to make any toilet adjustments for a good long time to come What is it with this list and toilets? It's like we've outlawed the nazis and toilets have snuck in as our default level that all threads will eventually reach... :-) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
"Adam C. Lipscomb" wrote: > > I learned the 3 rules of plumbing some years ago, and I'll share them > with you now. > > (1) Hot water goes on the left > (2) Shit goes downhill > (3) Payday's on Friday > > That's really all you need to know. > > Well, that, and (4) Make triple sure you've turned off the water > before touching the pipes. Especially make sure you've turned off the water to the toilet before you start mucking with its innards. (Dan never *did* get a coherent explanation as to why I was mopping up the bottom of the shelf with a towel, but I think he figured it out. And that was 2 houses ago, and I haven't neglected *that* detail since.) I got good enough with toilets, I was able to fix the problem at my mother's aunt's house with less than $10 worth of parts. Saved her a plumber's bill, which she was happy about. Oh, and before you disconnect the water pipe going into the toilet, having a decent-sized bowl to stick under it to catch the last bit that didn't leave the tank when you flushed after turning off the water works a lot better than just a mess of towels, but have the towels handy, just in case. (A bucket may be too deep.) Julia who is hoping not to have to make any toilet adjustments for a good long time to come ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Sounds like working on my bathroom. Go to the bathroom and start ripping things out. Start installing the tub and puncture a water pipe. Spent two days repairing it. Reconsider on how you wanted to do the job, have a change of heart and find out you still need more stuff to finish the job you haven't even really started on.. Get desperate. Yes, at this point I'm as desperate as it sounds. I hope that tomorrow will be a better day. I have high hopes that we'll manage to do something creative and productive for once since we started this project. Gee - I hope you bought a LOT of deodorant before you started. Much longer without a bath/shower and the BO could get unbearable :-) Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
- Original Message - From: "Adam C. Lipscomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side > I learned the 3 rules of plumbing some years ago, and I'll share them > with you now. > > (1) Hot water goes on the left > (2) Shit goes downhill > (3) Payday's on Friday > > That's really all you need to know. > > Well, that, and (4) Make triple sure you've turned off the water > before touching the pipes. One think that I learned from my dad: make quadruple sure the high voltage is off before you work on it. :-) I once screamed at a nice woman because I was working on a high current high voltage switching system, and had turned it all off nicely. She turned it back on behind my back while I was working. That was before the days of "lock out" Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
I learned the 3 rules of plumbing some years ago, and I'll share them with you now. (1) Hot water goes on the left (2) Shit goes downhill (3) Payday's on Friday That's really all you need to know. Well, that, and (4) Make triple sure you've turned off the water before touching the pipes. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Silence. I am watching television." - Spider Jerusalem ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
