Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
By the way Michal how are your projects coming along ? Fase ? jQuery stuffs ? You have removed the links but the files are still accessible... Any update to expect ? or a new project ? Olivier On 3/13/07, Michal Tatarynowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's because I wanted to avoid all this useless law-related banter I originally made the framework public-domain. I don't know how much of Cake code is by me, nor do I care. I can either be, or not be included as Cake's inventor/primary designer/ whatever. It is however a bit sickening to have it discussed how much kudos I'm owned tbh. I've stopped using Cake (or, more precisely branched with my own private version) long time ago, and since then I've re-written all of the code at least once. Every professional programmer uses some kind of framework and I'm no different (atm I call the one I use Garden). I'm not in any way emotionally attached to Cake code, although the name is still something I feel a bit proud to read about on one of the blogs I read. I think Cake isn't remarkable as a collection of code, but as a conglomerate of people and companies that it brought together. If all that is to disappear because of some internal disputes -- so be it. There's quite a number of decent PHP frameworks available nowadays. But pls come to senses, code more, fight less, and generally try to behave reasonably. Thank you :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
It's because I wanted to avoid all this useless law-related banter I originally made the framework public-domain. I don't know how much of Cake code is by me, nor do I care. I can either be, or not be included as Cake's inventor/primary designer/ whatever. It is however a bit sickening to have it discussed how much kudos I'm owned tbh. I've stopped using Cake (or, more precisely branched with my own private version) long time ago, and since then I've re-written all of the code at least once. Every professional programmer uses some kind of framework and I'm no different (atm I call the one I use Garden). I'm not in any way emotionally attached to Cake code, although the name is still something I feel a bit proud to read about on one of the blogs I read. I think Cake isn't remarkable as a collection of code, but as a conglomerate of people and companies that it brought together. If all that is to disappear because of some internal disputes -- so be it. There's quite a number of decent PHP frameworks available nowadays. But pls come to senses, code more, fight less, and generally try to behave reasonably. Thank you :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sonic Baker wrote: How much of the book was actually written? History of cake and all that stuff aside, of the technical content that was written, would it be of use to the community or in educating new potential bakers. It seems to me from reading this thread that all parties put a great deal of work into this and it seems a shame that this work may go to waste. So the publishing deal went sour! I have no knowledge on publishing commercial books etc but rather than waste the efforts involved, would there be anything to say for releasing at least the approved content and allow the community to benefit from it. The subversion book comes to mind, with a 'Donate' link on each page. They may not amount to millions but at least if donations could be shared between all parties wouldn't everyone benefit? +1 on this idea. Fabio has put in the effort, and many of us have been waiting with baited breath to read it. - -- Darian Anthony Patrick Principal, Application Development Criticode LLC (215) 240-6566 Office (866) 789-2992 Facsimile Web: http://criticode.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF9BHwKpzEXPWA4IcRAgQ2AKCLRaX65xTVZsauvgV/0ScsR1E24ACfTdaC bYaQIaJOU+eha91bUc+5tNc= =tfsv -END PGP SIGNATURE- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
@Mullet Trademark and Copyright are two seperate issues. The MIT license covers the copyright on the code. gwoo, I would like to cite your very words from another thread: But you cannot use the CakePHP logo or name to promote your web development company or your services, unless you are a certified CakePHP Engineer. This basically means, that you intended to keep me from using the term CakePHP, thus violating fair use rules on trademarks. Now, how can I offer a download for CakePHP, if you forbid me the use of the word CakePHP (remeber that the sources themself carry the word CakrPHP all over)? Obviously, your legal position is wrong, and it did violate the MIT license by restricting my right to redistribute the sources. Fortunately, you decided to set up a fair use policy. I am glad this issue can finally be closed after that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
The Mullet, I'll ask gwoo to expand on this at his leisure, but you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between trademark and copyright. On Mar 11, 12:02 pm, The Mullet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: @Mullet Trademark and Copyright are two seperate issues. The MIT license covers the copyright on the code. gwoo, I would like to cite your very words from another thread: But you cannot use the CakePHP logo or name to promote your web development company or your services, unless you are a certified CakePHP Engineer. This basically means, that you intended to keep me from using the term CakePHP, thus violating fair use rules on trademarks. Now, how can I offer a download for CakePHP, if you forbid me the use of the word CakePHP (remeber that the sources themself carry the word CakrPHP all over)? Obviously, your legal position is wrong, and it did violate the MIT license by restricting my right to redistribute the sources. Fortunately, you decided to set up a fair use policy. I am glad this issue can finally be closed after that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
No book :( i hope there still will come one as the manual is pretty skinny on information :( --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
Mullet I believe what he meant was you can not advertise that you will develop a CakePHP app for money or your company will develop a cakephp for commercial use and sell it. Please correct me if I am wrong. I have dealt with some trademark issues lately with a company I am working with for my employer and they told me it's okay to mention the companies trademark as long as it mentions who owns the trademark and has the trademark symbol by it. Again this might be different for CakePHP but from what I have dealt with I have only had to put the symbol and mention who owns it. Now the Source Code for CakePHP is different it's name CakePHP that is trademarked not the source code. You can distribute the cakephp source with your apps as long as you don't alter the header information in the source of what was written by the CSF. The source is under the MIT license ... you should check it out so you have more of an understanding of it. http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php If any of these is wrong please correct me anyone. I am sorry to hear that the book has been canceled and there was problems amoung the community but we are better then that we can get past the problems and be more concerned about the community then our personal means. - Jon On Mar 11, 9:02 am, The Mullet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: @Mullet Trademark and Copyright are two seperate issues. The MIT license covers the copyright on the code. gwoo, I would like to cite your very words from another thread: But you cannot use the CakePHP logo or name to promote your web development company or your services, unless you are a certified CakePHP Engineer. This basically means, that you intended to keep me from using the term CakePHP, thus violating fair use rules on trademarks. Now, how can I offer a download for CakePHP, if you forbid me the use of the word CakePHP (remeber that the sources themself carry the word CakrPHP all over)? Obviously, your legal position is wrong, and it did violate the MIT license by restricting my right to redistribute the sources. Fortunately, you decided to set up a fair use policy. I am glad this issue can finally be closed after that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
Hello all, Please forgive me as I'm about to throw a huge spanner in the works. I'm not trying to cause any trouble, I'm just wondering if it's possible to turn a bad situation into a beneficial one. When something like cakePHP comes along, it's hard to keep everyone happy all the time. Feelings get hurt and Efforts sometimes get overlooked. We are only human, but this project is one of the best examples of what humanity can do for the greater good within the confounds of this digital realm. I've seen both parties apologise to each other. Nobody is interested in causing trouble to others, they are just trying to defend themselves. In doing so, it is easy to possible get distracted from the more important things: Something beautiful is happening here. People are sharing their work in the hopes that it may benefit someone else. People are taking time out of their own lives to help those who seek that valuable help. Some are very busy but still give whatever they can without asking for anything back. This is amazing! A community has grown, and it's one of the best I personally have ever seen. To keep such a wonderful community alive, sometimes we have to bite the bullet, and try to focus on what the future may bring. So... (enter spanner): How much of the book was actually written? History of cake and all that stuff aside, of the technical content that was written, would it be of use to the community or in educating new potential bakers. It seems to me from reading this thread that all parties put a great deal of work into this and it seems a shame that this work may go to waste. So the publishing deal went sour! I have no knowledge on publishing commercial books etc but rather than waste the efforts involved, would there be anything to say for releasing at least the approved content and allow the community to benefit from it. The subversion book comes to mind, with a 'Donate' link on each page. They may not amount to millions but at least if donations could be shared between all parties wouldn't everyone benefit? That's it from me. Sorry if you think this was just a complete rant and waste of google's disk space. I'm not trying to make matters worse by any means. I just hate to see effort wasted. Cheers my friends, Sonic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
CakePHP is trademark of the Cake Software Foundation, Inc. ^^^ I suggest to specify this clearly on the CakePHP website, like Rails does, at least. I did a quick search on the Trademark Electronic Search System (http:// www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm): Ruby on Rails came up and CakePHP didn't, but I may be wrong... We would like to be involved at some level of any book that comes out. I'd like to share my personal experience and a small anecdote regarding this. Although the CSF was paid to review the whole book, as a matter of fact they reviewed it *what they wanted* and *when they felt like it*. An example? Although they are - apparently - so concerned about having proper code used in a book, it seems that they didn't care about some obvious mistake in Chapter 3 of my book when I used the .html extension for the views (deprecated in 1.2) instead of .ctp... This means nothing, of course, but according to them such chapter was fine. On the contrary, Larry explicitly *forbid me* to put any reference to Michal Tatarynowicz in the book, stating that himself should be considered the creator of the framework. So much for a technical review! Here's the censored passage: --- History and Uses of CakePHP While it's difficult to copy Rails in PHP, it's quite possible to write an equivalent system. I like the terseness of Ruby code, but I need the structure that Rails provides, how it makes me organize my code into something sustainable. That's why I'm ripping off Rails in Cake . This was a comment by Michal Tatarynowicz a.k.a. Pies in reply to a blog post about Rails clones. Michal started to develop a rapid development framework in 2005, drawing his inspiration from Ruby on Rails structure and methodologies. About CakePHP's early days The old CakePHP Web site is still available at www.sputnik.pl/cake-old/. Please note that the framework has evolved a lot since then, with the help of an always-growing, hyper active community. As repeatedly remarked by Michal Tatarynowicz and other core developers like Larry E. Masters and Garret G. Woodsworth - who now actively maintain the framework - CakePHP is not a port of Ruby on Rails to PHP. RoR was developed in Ruby for a reason, mainly because only Ruby could provide a concise and elegant syntax and offered advanced OO features necessary to develop such an optimized and quick- to-use application framework. --- I complied, although reluctant, to the order and informed the publishers that - despite the chapter was already sent to production - I needed to re-write that bit. I was asked by one of the editors how much of a modification was it, and I replied: --- Basically Larry wasn't too happy to read that I mentioned the former creator of the Cake framework, a project originally available in public domain which is the ancestor of CakePHP. Basically I'll remove all the references to the creator of the Cake project in the very first part of the chapter (History of CakePHP) --- As I put Larry in Cc, he immediately sent me the following email: --- Ok Fabio, Any reason you replied with this when the question was How much of a modification, not why are you doing a modification? Seems to me you are trying to piss me off, or make me look bad in the public eye. Fabio take the time and go through the code of CakePHP, it is not what was in the public domain. And I am going to say this again to you, Michal is not the creator of the project. Look at the time line in the trac site... I already told you in an IRC chat, that Brego and I are the ones whose code was what has now become CakePHP I will be glad when this project with you is over, I wish I would have thought about it more before thinking you where the best to write this book. There are others who have a better understanding of the code that would have been more qualified to write this IMO, and it worries me with this being the first book, what the quality of that book is going to be with you at the helm of the writing... --- Was I _really_ trying to piss him off? I don't think so! Definitely _he_ did after such a comment though! Anyhow, a piece of advice for potential writers and publishers: be extreely careful of what you write or try to publish. If he doesn't like it, he'll tell you that you won't be allowed to use the CakePHP logo and name in the book title and that would be it: the book gets cancelled. That's precisely what happened to me. Again, sorry for voicing my own in such a dramatic way, it just feels wrong that after someone spends so much time writing articles and doing his best to promote the framework he's treated in such a disrespectful way. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For
RE: Cake Recipes cancelled
Fabio, I can sympathize about how sad you feel that your project ended, but I believe this is BY NO MEANS proper, professional behavior. All you do here is to rant against people at CSF, disclosing details that should be between you and the other party. If you wanted to come across with an advice, the first thing you should've done is stay objective, or *at least* professional. What good can we get out of this? By us I mean the rest of Cake community reading this google group. All I see here is someone who's annoyed with someone else, pasting emails that we do not know for sure if they were ever written, possibly leaving out your own emails, and which we don't even care. Or at least we shouldn't. We are here to promote, maintain, and help other bakers use CakePHP. As a final note, I've looked at old Cake's source code and it's not at all what it is today. Just because someone had the idea to build something doesn't make them the creators when that something was completely rewritten. Or do you consider Alexander Graham Bell to be the inventor of the cell phone? -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar -Mensaje original- De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de h3raLd Enviado el: Viernes, 09 de Marzo de 2007 05:11 a.m. Para: Cake PHP Asunto: Re: Cake Recipes cancelled Anyhow, a piece of advice for potential writers and publishers: be extreely careful of what you write or try to publish. If he doesn't like it, he'll tell you that you won't be allowed to use the CakePHP logo and name in the book title and that would be it: the book gets cancelled. That's precisely what happened to me. Again, sorry for voicing my own in such a dramatic way, it just feels wrong that after someone spends so much time writing articles and doing his best to promote the framework he's treated in such a disrespectful way. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
Fabio, Already, you have clearly voiced your opinion on your own blog. Now, I hope you have sufficiently voiced your opinion throughout the community. Please, consider moving past this issue and on to new outlets for your passion. best of luck on your future work. Gwoo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
Yes, you're right. My behaviour right now is not professional, and I'm sorry for that. I just feel very hurt and sick of someone's behaviour. I realize the community will be sick of my behaviour at this point, and I'll probably quit ranting, the community doesn't need this. I would just like some people - Larry in particular - to realize that what he did was wrong and inappropriate towards me and the publisher. True, there's probably nothing of Michal's Cake in CakePHP, but I do believe he had at least just the idea for it, at least, and he should be at least mentioned. On a side note, I always praised Larry's effort in the past, in the book, and even now I think he's probably the best PHP coder I've met. BUT I would like him to realize that is not OK to treat people like crap, especially when he was the one who failed to meet the deadlines in the first place. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion - I have mine, people may share it or not, of course. His behavior during the whole thing was not professional. They set their own deadlines and they failed each one of them! And they keep putting the blame on my lack of coding/writing skills while they didn't develop a medium sized application in over seven months? At be honest and say clearly, to the community, that you didn't feel motivated all along and couldn't be bothered! That - at least - would have been more honest. If they didn't want to be involved in the project, they shouldn't have signed the contract *or* cancel it right when they felt that they didn't like it, not right when everyone is expecting the book to come out. I would have been annoyed, pissed off, but I definitely wouldn't have bothered to make all this public. I don't only feel sad about the failure of the project, I feel I was deliberately blamed for its failure and insulted by people who cannot admit their own mistakes. It wasn't because of my lack of skills that they failed the deadlines, was it? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
On 3/9/07, Mariano Iglesias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or do you consider Alexander Graham Bell to be the inventor of the cell phone? A more appropriate corollary would be - Is Rasmus still the creator of PHP? I personally appreciate the mail by Fabio, which I feel despite being emotional has some details which make the hairs on back of my nape prickle. Cheers Tarique -- = PHP for E-Biz: http://sanisoft.com Cheesecake-Photoblog: http://cheesecake-photoblog.org = --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cake Recipes cancelled
And how do you know those details come from actual facts? And what about the other side of the story? Trust me, when you are not an insider in a fight (using quotes on purpose), then there's no way for you to actually know what happen, so we should clearly avoid judging what someone tells us someone else did. All we can do is judge what we do see, for that matter. I have seen this kind of ranting during corporate takeovers and they certainly lead no where. -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar -Mensaje original- De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Dr. Tarique Sani Enviado el: Viernes, 09 de Marzo de 2007 06:26 a.m. Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com Asunto: Re: Cake Recipes cancelled I personally appreciate the mail by Fabio, which I feel despite being emotional has some details which make the hairs on back of my nape prickle. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cake Recipes cancelled
Fabio, I realize the community will be sick of my behaviour at this point, and I'll probably quit ranting, the community doesn't need this. I don't know about sick, and I can't speak for the whole community, but I know I don't need to witness an internal power struggle. I would just like some people - Larry in particular - to realize that what he did was wrong and inappropriate towards me and the publisher. Then that is something you and Larry should talk, be it over the phone or email, but disclosing your internal communication all it does (look at Dr. Tarique's comment) is confuse the rest of us, giving us a one side of the story that leads nowhere. On a side note, I always praised Larry's effort in the past, in the book, and even now I think he's probably the best PHP coder I've met. You are wrong, that would be me... Just kidding :) BUT I would like him to realize that is not OK to treat people like crap, especially when he was the one who failed to meet the deadlines in the first place. Nor it is right to disclose personal communications, or talk bad about someone, is it? If you wanted to point out someone else's mistakes, the best thing you could've done in the beginning is avoid making the same mistakes you are accusing the other party of. His behavior during the whole thing was not professional. They set their own deadlines and they failed each one of them! I don't know what your contractual agreement regarding deadlines was, nor I am interested, but Larry, Nate, Gwoo and the rest of the CSF have shown us (the community) endless commitment to producing what IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT: the framework itself. I have even seen releases on Christmas Day! What more commitment can we get on an open source project? We had this discussion on the Spanish google group today, where someone was saying that probably CSF's biggest mistake was lack of marketing. I say, aren't we users of a rapid development framework? So isn't it better that 1.2 is out stable, production-ready than having a nicer website than Rails? I think some of us need to have a look over on our priorities as developers. And they keep putting the blame on my lack of coding/writing skills while they didn't develop a medium sized application in over seven months? Again, I'm not familiar with deadlines nor I am interested, but as a witness of their source code habilities I can tell you know that they can not only build an application in seven months, but in one day! Look at the changes from one SVN commit to the other and you'll see the amount of work they can do on such little time. If they didn't want to be involved in the project, they shouldn't have signed the contract *or* cancel it right when they felt that they didn't like it, not right when everyone is expecting the book to come out. I completely disagree. I have the right to cancel a contract *AFTER* it has been signed if I believe the quality of the work doesn't meet my expectations. I'm not saying you had poor or great quality, I just believe that a person has the right to cancel on a contract. Signing a contract doesn't mean stick with it no matter what. I don't only feel sad about the failure of the project, I feel I was deliberately blamed for its failure and insulted by people who cannot admit their own mistakes. It wasn't because of my lack of skills that they failed the deadlines, was it? They didn't make a statement saying they cancelled the project because you were to blame, nor they wrote a blog post about it. It all started with your blog post, were you accused the other party of being disrespectful, dishonest, and with a general lack of commitment. When that happens, I obviously understand the need to defend their reputation the CSF had. So to tell you the truth Fabio, as I see it, this would've all been avoided if your comments didn't make this personal. But then again, I can understand how a man can be upset. For my personal experience, leave feelings behind when addressing the general public, or you may be hurting someone else's feelings and reputation. -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
On 9 Mrz., 06:56, Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An allied question - Will an Unofficial book be allowed by CSF? If you mean will someone be able to use CakePHP in the title of a book without permission, then I will say no. CakePHP is trademark of the Cake Software Foundation, Inc. Larry, you cannot forbid anyone to write a book _ABOUT_ Cakephp, and it would definately be allowed to use the name even in the title, as long as it does not claim to be an official book. But legal issues aside: if what Larry says is representative of the thinking that dominates the CSF, then, members of the community, be careful. Thats because, if he thinks anyone needs his permission to publish an _unofficial_ book containing the word CakePHP, how can anyone be sure that he is allowed to write a CakePHP Blog? Or even a website mentioning the Word CakePHP? Larry, will we be hearing from your lawyers if we do so? What do you demand if I want to start a blog which is named my unofficial CakePHP blog? So, please Larry/CSF let us know, if we can safely assume that the term CakePHP and its fair use are assured for the future - for free!-. And please don't refer to the CSF website as it does not answer any questions. Should you stick to your position that the term CakePHP can be used only with permission of CSF, I must strongly recommend everyone to switch to another framework, because I must fear that would be the beginning of an alienated community. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
@The Mullet: There was some time ago a discussion about using the CakePHP trademark with statements from Larry and Gwoo, see http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php/browse_thread/thread/f2d9932d54dcb3d5/208047789ceee4d3?lnk=gstq=trademarkrnum=1#208047789ceee4d3 -- Daniel Hofstetter http://cakebaker.42dh.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
@Mullet This has been discussed in other threads. If you would like further clarification please contact legal [at] cakefoundation [dot] org. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cake Recipes cancelled
I may be out of my way here, but I don't believe CSF members behave like dictators. This is an open source project released under the MIT license, and as such it is bound by those terms. I think it is safe to say that you *can* use the term CakePHP as long as you address the binding of its license. However it is obvious that you cannot put an official CakePHP stamp on your book/blog/whatever (not just talking about an icon, I mean presenting your content as official CakePHP content) if you do not have the approval of CSF. This is just common sense. -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar -Mensaje original- De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de The Mullet Enviado el: Viernes, 09 de Marzo de 2007 06:47 a.m. Para: Cake PHP Asunto: Re: Cake Recipes cancelled So, please Larry/CSF let us know, if we can safely assume that the term CakePHP and its fair use are assured for the future - for free!-. And please don't refer to the CSF website as it does not answer any questions. Should you stick to your position that the term CakePHP can be used only with permission of CSF, I must strongly recommend everyone to switch to another framework, because I must fear that would be the beginning of an alienated community. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
On 3/9/07, Mariano Iglesias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is safe to say that you *can* use the term CakePHP as long as you address the binding of its license. Unfortunately it is not very clear and I have asked in the past and not got satisfactory replies. The term CakePHP is trademarked so you can be prevented from using that for almost everything (including blog posts) *if* CSF wishes. It is this ambiguity from CSF which I do not like. I personally feel that exceptions to the use of CakePHP trademark should be clearly defined on the site and they should be mentioned in a clause in the registering contract of the trademark or its equivalent in the country it was registered. Merely pointing to a reply by someone in a thread on the group is just not enough. And yes I have reasons to judge on basis of past behaviors :) This is definitely the last post in this thread from me. Cheers Tarique -- = PHP for E-Biz: http://sanisoft.com Cheesecake-Photoblog: http://cheesecake-photoblog.org = --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
I wasn't going to post anymore but I feel compelled to include a few more emails concerning that conversation. I emailed Larry back: Larry, I didn't mean to offend you or to piss you off and I hope you can accept my apologies: I really didn't mean to say that, and to me it doesn't sound offensive either (maybe because I'm not a native English speacker). Regarding this statement: I will be glad when this project with you is over, I wish I would have thought about it more before thinking you where the best to write this book. There are others who have a better understanding of the code that would have been more qualified to write this IMO, and it worries me with this being the first book, what the quality of that book is going to be with you at the helm of the writing... This certainly does not improve my morale - which is already not at its best - and it does indeed hurt my feelings. I'm sorry you feel like this about me and about me writing the book: if you feel this way I suggest you talk to the Peachpit staff and sort it out as you see fit. Just let me remind you that the book was proposed to me long ago, because a Peachpit acquisition editor noticed one of my (many) articles about CakePHP which I wrote for a magazine. I never criticized your code or your way of programming (which I indeed praised everywhere and in every possible occasion), moreover, it was me who told Peachpit staff to wait for you to finish the application despite the fact that you failed to meet the deadlines for the project that you set not only once, but twice. It sounds to me that you were waiting for a spark to pour out your real opinion about me and the book, and that really doesn't help neither me, nor you or the project. Again, I didn't mean any offense. ...and then he replied, in a more civilized manner: I didn't mean to offend you or to piss you off and I hope you can accept my apologies: I really didn't mean to say that, and to me it doesn't sound offensive either (maybe because I'm not a native English speacker). Accepted Regarding this statement: I will be glad when this project with you is over, I wish I would have thought about it more before thinking you where the best to write this book. There are others who have a better understanding of the code that would have been more qualified to write this IMO, and it worries me with this being the first book, what the quality of that book is going to be with you at the helm of the writing... This certainly does not improve my morale - which is already not at its best - and it does indeed hurt my feelings. I'm sorry you feel like this about me and about me writing the book: if you feel this way I suggest you talk to the Peachpit staff and sort it out as you see fit. Just let me remind you that the book was proposed to me long ago, because a Peachpit acquisition editor noticed one of my (many) articles about CakePHP which Iwrote for a magazine. I am sorry about this comment, I should have thought about it more before sending it. It upsets me when you continue to give Michal credit when his work on the project was minimal, there are others who have worked on this project and contributed a lot more then Michal ever did. To see him given credit for this work, when he would not continue to take the code where it needed to go, does piss me off. You know this project consumes most of my life, and it is like one of my kids. I am very protective of it as I am with my kids. Then, eventually Garrett agreed to just mention -- in a restricted way -- Michal and Brego. The bottom line is, both parts did mistakes during the course of the project, I may have been a bit arrogant sometimes but I think my reactions were justified by seeing, day after day, that the CSF didn't seem to have a lot of interested in doing their part. All I'd like is people to understand my part, and that I'm definitely not the one to be blamed for the fact that the book wasn't published. I did my best, sorry if it wasn't sufficient. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
Tarique is exactly right: The term CakePHP is trademarked so you can be prevented from using that for almost everything (including blog posts) *if* CSF wishes. It is this ambiguity from CSF which I do not like. Now, unless CSF decides to set up a public license which allows for some basic use of the Name, CakePHP is unusable in a commercial environment. Actually, right now CSF is even violating the MIT license under which Cake is published: the MIT license allows for redistribution of the Software, which I can't though, as the software contains the word CakePHP all over, but I am not allowed to use this word. Now, to make this clear: I have total understanding if the CSF wants to protect themselves against anyone who might abuse the term CakePHP by giving the impression that he is certified, or his book is an official Cake-Book or whatsoever. But a simple use of the word CakePHP, stating My Company has used the CakePHP framework in so many projects should be allowed. Once again: ACME is an officially licensed CakePHP-company should be forbidden unless licensed by CSF. ACME has produced software using the CakePHP framework should be allowed. CSF should provide such a statement with every copy of CakePHP. Unless they do so, no company should seriously consider investing time in this framework, because tomorrow CSF may decide it's time to cash in. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cake Recipes cancelled
Fabio, After this email I seriously have a problem understanding you. As I told you before, I can sympathize with someone when they are feeling sad or hopeless (I have had my own share of sad moments), but your actions seem to be driven by a need of making us come to bad conclusions against the CSF. I am sure everyone had their share of mistakes, and frankly I'm no one to judge. But I think the point was clear in that *no one* was getting anything out of this public disclosure of personal emails. As I told you before, WE DIDN'T have the idea that you screwed up, until you so eloquently said you didn't. We didn't think you attacked anyone until, while in the spirit of retaliation against an attack that never came, you started criticizing members of the CSF. I politely ask you to come to your senses and approach this as *if you were not* a party involved in this issue. Just think of it as a member of the community, reading all this bull on what *should be* a group to support CakePHP's development, not to bury it in endless battles. Just remember, there was no such thing as a part, until you started giving the rest details about your conversations. Then you started making it personal, and hell broke loose. So with the respect that I have towards your previous CakePHP related articles (that is as far as I know your work), please stop this unprofessional, un-needed behavior so we can all move on. Letting go, and moving on to the next battle is not such a bad idea. Trust me, I know. -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar -Mensaje original- De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de h3raLd Enviado el: Viernes, 09 de Marzo de 2007 09:16 a.m. Para: Cake PHP Asunto: Re: Cake Recipes cancelled The bottom line is, both parts did mistakes during the course of the project, I may have been a bit arrogant sometimes but I think my reactions were justified by seeing, day after day, that the CSF didn't seem to have a lot of interested in doing their part. All I'd like is people to understand my part, and that I'm definitely not the one to be blamed for the fact that the book wasn't published. I did my best, sorry if it wasn't sufficient. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
As far as I know they can't stop anyone talking or mentioning CakePHP as per the 'Fair Use' defense. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_%28US_trademark_law%29 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
Oh yes we can. If you write a book about Cake, mention Cake in your blog, record a conversation with a friend or family member in which Cake is mentioned, or make any pastries in the likeness of our logo, we will hunt you down and confiscate all your worldly posessions under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. Furthermore, we will ransack your home and torch your town. We Are Watching You. Our Spies Are Everywhere. Freedom Through Obedience. On Mar 9, 1:13 pm, Mika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know they can't stop anyone talking or mentioning CakePHP as per the 'Fair Use' defense. Checkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_%28US_trademark_law%29 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cake Recipes cancelled
Sounds too bushy ;) -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar -Mensaje original- De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de nate Enviado el: Viernes, 09 de Marzo de 2007 03:49 p.m. Para: Cake PHP Asunto: Re: Cake Recipes cancelled We Are Watching You. Our Spies Are Everywhere. Freedom Through Obedience. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cake Recipes cancelled
It seems to me that a few individuals are mis-understanding our words and have a general mis-understanding of trademark policy. That was exactly my point, and I think such a document would help others avoid confusion. Confusion so high that some people even thought CSF lawyers were going to hunt them down if they mention CakePHP to a friend on the privacy of their homes. I mean the CSF is not a record label company :) But the more I have to do this, the less I have time to work on the thing that matters most, CakePHP. What about appointing people for areas, such as writing documents about trademark protection or marketing decisions (regarding website), that are not *core PHP* oriented? This is a community built on the trust of everyone to do their part. And some of us try to :) The MIT license covers the copyright on the code The day I found CakePHP and discovered it was licensed under MIT was the day that I felt in love with it. MIT license simply rocks. -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is a core CakePHP developer proposing an alternate? Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut wrote: It is true, the book deal between the Cake Software Foundation, Fabio Cevasco, and Peachpit Press has been cancelled. This decision was unanimously reached by all members of the CSF as well as other members of the community who where involved in peer review. In short, we were dissatisfied with the direction the project was taking, and the inadequate way in which the framework was being represented. However, this absolutely does not mean that there will be no CakePHP book. -- /** * @author Larry E. Masters * @var string $userName * @param string $realName * @returns string aka PhpNut * @access public */ - -- Darian Anthony Patrick Principal, Application Development Criticode LLC (215) 240-6566 Office (866) 789-2992 Facsimile Web: http://criticode.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF8Cj1KpzEXPWA4IcRAlWGAJ9ZqwFwGRNHHYu3xNP0TADq6aOETQCdFbpb l/AHkvfLkTXPXh2Y0D8ohKU= =dYhU -END PGP SIGNATURE- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
We are not proposing anything, though we have been contacted by a few publishers. There will be books published on CakePHP. Anything that has the official stamp will be reviewed by the CSF before going to press I can assure you of that. -- /** * @author Larry E. Masters * @var string $userName * @param string $realName * @returns string aka PhpNut * @access public */ On 3/8/07, Darian Anthony Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is a core CakePHP developer proposing an alternate? Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut wrote: It is true, the book deal between the Cake Software Foundation, Fabio Cevasco, and Peachpit Press has been cancelled. This decision was unanimously reached by all members of the CSF as well as other members of the community who where involved in peer review. In short, we were dissatisfied with the direction the project was taking, and the inadequate way in which the framework was being represented. However, this absolutely does not mean that there will be no CakePHP book. -- /** * @author Larry E. Masters * @var string $userName * @param string $realName * @returns string aka PhpNut * @access public */ - -- Darian Anthony Patrick Principal, Application Development Criticode LLC (215) 240-6566 Office (866) 789-2992 Facsimile Web: http://criticode.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF8Cj1KpzEXPWA4IcRAlWGAJ9ZqwFwGRNHHYu3xNP0TADq6aOETQCdFbpb l/AHkvfLkTXPXh2Y0D8ohKU= =dYhU -END PGP SIGNATURE- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cake Recipes cancelled
Sounds about right. I'm not into taking sides, but it seems pretty obvious that any book that wish to have the Official CakePHP Book stamp should not only be reviewed by the CSF, but also approved by its majority. -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar _ De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut Enviado el: Jueves, 08 de Marzo de 2007 12:40 p.m. Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com Asunto: Re: Cake Recipes cancelled We are not proposing anything, though we have been contacted by a few publishers. There will be books published on CakePHP. Anything that has the official stamp will be reviewed by the CSF before going to press I can assure you of that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
On 3/8/07, Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything that has the official stamp will be reviewed by the CSF before going to press I can assure you of that. An allied question - Will an Unofficial book be allowed by CSF? Cheers Tarique -- = PHP for E-Biz: http://sanisoft.com Cheesecake-Photoblog: http://cheesecake-photoblog.org = --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
An allied question - Will an Unofficial book be allowed by CSF? If you mean will someone be able to use CakePHP in the title of a book without permission, then I will say no. CakePHP is trademark of the Cake Software Foundation, Inc. Will we refuse to allow someone to use this? A person or publisher would need to go through the proper channels to use the name or logo. We would like to be involved at some level of any book that comes out. This is because the community provides a lot of support, but at the end of the day it comes back to us when the wrong code is used whether in the form of tickets, questions on the mailing list, or in the irc channel We truly believe its in the best interest of the community to be able to trust that they will be receiving the right information -- /** * @author Larry E. Masters * @var string $userName * @param string $realName * @returns string aka PhpNut * @access public */ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
On 3/9/07, Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An allied question - Will an Unofficial book be allowed by CSF? snip We would like to be involved at some level of any book that comes out. Thanks for the clarification - though I feel that *any book* is restrictive and in long term not good for an open source software but then everyone has a freedom not to choose... Cheers Tarique -- = PHP for E-Biz: http://sanisoft.com Cheesecake-Photoblog: http://cheesecake-photoblog.org = --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cake Recipes cancelled
Eventhough I don't want to get in the middle of a problem that after reading that blog post since to have gotten a little personal (at least from that side), I agree with Larry in that something as important as a book about CakePHP should not only get reviewed by the CSF, but also approved. I now have a more understanding attitude towards Nate for kind of snapping that time :-) -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar _ De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut Enviado el: Viernes, 09 de Marzo de 2007 02:56 a.m. Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com Asunto: Re: Cake Recipes cancelled We would like to be involved at some level of any book that comes out. This is because the community provides a lot of support, but at the end of the day it comes back to us when the wrong code is used whether in the form of tickets, questions on the mailing list, or in the irc channel We truly believe its in the best interest of the community to be able to trust that they will be receiving the right information --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Cake Recipes cancelled
Today I found a new post on h3rald.com, Fabio Cevasco's blog. http://www.h3rald.com/blog/view/42 It seems that the book will never come out and I'm really disappointed. I tought that it would be a great deal for Cake. For me (and I believe a lot of other people) buying a book and learning from it is much more productive than reading fragmented articles on the bakery or digging in the google group. So...I hope that something can still change and I'm really interested on hearing the position of the Cake Software Foundation simone --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
On 3/7/07, kinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So...I hope that something can still change and I'm really interested on hearing the position of the Cake Software Foundation +1 to that - I too was looking forward to the book Tarique -- = PHP for E-Biz: http://sanisoft.com Cheesecake-Photoblog: http://cheesecake-photoblog.org = --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
On 3/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the blogpost i read some negative comments towards the authors of cakephp. Which comment in particular? There are somethings which can be inferred as negative about Cake Foundation in the post itself but I did not find anything in the comments... Tarique -- = PHP for E-Biz: http://sanisoft.com Cheesecake-Photoblog: http://cheesecake-photoblog.org = --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
It is true, the book deal between the Cake Software Foundation, Fabio Cevasco, and Peachpit Press has been cancelled. This decision was unanimously reached by all members of the CSF as well as other members of the community who where involved in peer review. In short, we were dissatisfied with the direction the project was taking, and the inadequate way in which the framework was being represented. However, this absolutely does not mean that there will be no CakePHP book. -- /** * @author Larry E. Masters * @var string $userName * @param string $realName * @returns string aka PhpNut * @access public */ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
Acutally i primarly meant the comments inside the post. (in the linguistic meaning of comment there can be comments *inside* a post, not only comments *on* the post) And whenever somebody agrees with (comments *on* the post) that, it counts too. some quotes: I hardly understand this decision of the Cake Software Fondation. or even Grrr I would like to kick the ass of the someone who didn't like the idea... On Mar 7, 3:05 pm, Dr. Tarique Sani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the blogpost i read some negative comments towards the authors of cakephp. Which comment in particular? There are somethings which can be inferred as negative about Cake Foundation in the post itself but I did not find anything in the comments... Tarique --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cake Recipes cancelled
Its a shame that the deal was cancelled but Im sure there will be a no proposal for a CakePHP book. I would work on it myself but I lack the English skills to do so. I am willing to write in Spanish, though ;) -MI --- Remember, smart coders answer ten questions for every question they ask. So be smart, be cool, and share your knowledge. BAKE ON! blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar _ De: cake-php@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Larry E. Masters aka PhpNut Enviado el: Miércoles, 07 de Marzo de 2007 12:10 p.m. Para: cake-php@googlegroups.com Asunto: Re: Cake Recipes cancelled It is true, the book deal between the Cake Software Foundation, Fabio Cevasco, and Peachpit Press has been cancelled. This decision was unanimously reached by all members of the CSF as well as other members of the community who where involved in peer review. In short, we were dissatisfied with the direction the project was taking, and the inadequate way in which the framework was being represented. However, this absolutely does not mean that there will be no CakePHP book. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
Suspected something of the sort when Amazon modified the release date to push it back three months... -Toby kinto wrote: ... It seems that the book will never come out and I'm really disappointed. ... simone --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake Recipes cancelled
On 3/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some quotes: I hardly understand this decision of the Cake Software Fondation. or even Grrr I would like to kick the ass of the someone who didn't like the idea... Hmmm.. may be I am a bit thick skinned but I would categorize both of the above as valid opinions of an aggrieved individual and everyone else is free to agree or disagree with them. Hardly an offensive against CSF I would say Since Larry has already put in an official statement it is EOT for me. Cheers Tarique -- = PHP for E-Biz: http://sanisoft.com Cheesecake-Photoblog: http://cheesecake-photoblog.org = --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
