Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
I completely agree One of the main problems I have had is that when working for web agencies they often were not able to 'educate' their clients as they were to afraid they would not work with them if they were opposing them too strongly and would rather accept unreasonable demands or dead lines than face the possibility not to work on the project. Money, money ... In any case this will educate me in the sense that it will prevent me to get involved in projects where I will have to face such 'wasting time' issues. thanks to you all thomas On Sep 7, 4:02 pm, mark_story <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The customer is not always right. Lets say you are a roofer and the > customer tells you to use that you cannot use an air-nailer as they > are not as proven and effective as a hand hammer. Would you simply > accept that they 'are right' and do the job? There are a time when > the customer is not knowledgable about the subject, and has no > business making decisions. I used to do irrigation installation, and > customers thought they were 'right'. They never were, and we rarely > did what they suggested, as often their suggestions would have > affected the performance of the system. Other times we did follow > their suggestions and informed them of the possible impact and > additional costs to repair it once it failed. > > Enough of the aside, thomas perhaps you should give 3 quotes, one with > all custom code, one with the app built on 1.1 and the other with it > built on 1.2. > > -Mark > > On Sep 7, 7:50 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > thanks for all the replies > > > and I tried to explain that stable means 'considered stable' and that > > RC2 was working perfectly for we had to do. I think they would have > > preferred me to craft custom code which would have been far less > > secure and stable than using cakephp but that would not have been > > tagged anything as it was custom ...that's how stupid they are imo, > > I'm not that a good programmer but good enough to get work, so I won't > > bother myself with them anymore in the future :) > > > As for 'hidden flaws' I doubt that when 1.2 is tagged stable this > > will mean that all possible bugs have been eradicated (this is > > software in its nature I feel), so not using a software product > > because it can have hidden flaws is not realistic in my opinion. > > > thomas > > > On Sep 6, 7:14 pm, Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I agree, the customer is always right, but you can always refuse to do > > > the job and explain exactly why. if you are that a good programmer > > > you will always have work to do, so why bother. I bet you the new > > > cake will be released very soon. Not so long ago it was only about > > > 40% complete now it is almost 100% and wont be long until it gets > > > released as stable. > > > > Cheers > > > > Marcus > > > > On Sep 6, 5:43 pm, Dérico Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello Thomas, > > > > > I might sound a little bit vexing saying this: > > > > > Your customer is right. I am sorry. > > > > > Well... 1.2 is yet a Release Candidate, although a very stable and > > > > robust release candidate, but yet release candidate. > > > > > The main reason that it is kept on this name is because there might > > > > be, yet, some hidden flaws in it. Flaws that neither you nor I know in > > > > it... That could actually jeopardise your customer's system. > > > > > He is not willing to take the risks... I would not be willing to take > > > > the risks on his shoes as well... > > > > > kind regards > > > > Dérico > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I have a client that won't let me use 1.2 because 1.1.19 is tagged as > > > > > stable whereas 1.2 is RC2... > > > > > > I tried and tried to explain to him the many reasons why it would be > > > > > better and more efficient and more secure etc... to use 1.2 but to no > > > > > avail since all he can see is the 'stable' tag ... > > > > > > So I was wondering if any one had any insight on when the 1.2 version > > > > > would be tagged as stable. > > > > > > I really don't want to go back working with 1.1 :( ... > > > > > > I know the work put into this framework and all I'm asking if there is > > > > > a chance for a stable tagged version within the forthcoming month > > > > > since this would allow me to advocate 1.2 and save myself some > > > > > trouble ... > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > ps. I know I'll probably get answers like : 'it'll be out when it'll > > > > > be out', or 'just change client' :) but if the release is close I'd > > > > > hate developing for 1.1. > > > > > > ps2. And I surely would like to help for the release but I > > > > > unfortunately miss time and skills. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe f
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
The customer is not always right. Lets say you are a roofer and the customer tells you to use that you cannot use an air-nailer as they are not as proven and effective as a hand hammer. Would you simply accept that they 'are right' and do the job? There are a time when the customer is not knowledgable about the subject, and has no business making decisions. I used to do irrigation installation, and customers thought they were 'right'. They never were, and we rarely did what they suggested, as often their suggestions would have affected the performance of the system. Other times we did follow their suggestions and informed them of the possible impact and additional costs to repair it once it failed. Enough of the aside, thomas perhaps you should give 3 quotes, one with all custom code, one with the app built on 1.1 and the other with it built on 1.2. -Mark On Sep 7, 7:50 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thanks for all the replies > > and I tried to explain that stable means 'considered stable' and that > RC2 was working perfectly for we had to do. I think they would have > preferred me to craft custom code which would have been far less > secure and stable than using cakephp but that would not have been > tagged anything as it was custom ...that's how stupid they are imo, > I'm not that a good programmer but good enough to get work, so I won't > bother myself with them anymore in the future :) > > As for 'hidden flaws' I doubt that when 1.2 is tagged stable this > will mean that all possible bugs have been eradicated (this is > software in its nature I feel), so not using a software product > because it can have hidden flaws is not realistic in my opinion. > > thomas > > On Sep 6, 7:14 pm, Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I agree, the customer is always right, but you can always refuse to do > > the job and explain exactly why. if you are that a good programmer > > you will always have work to do, so why bother. I bet you the new > > cake will be released very soon. Not so long ago it was only about > > 40% complete now it is almost 100% and wont be long until it gets > > released as stable. > > > Cheers > > > Marcus > > > On Sep 6, 5:43 pm, Dérico Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello Thomas, > > > > I might sound a little bit vexing saying this: > > > > Your customer is right. I am sorry. > > > > Well... 1.2 is yet a Release Candidate, although a very stable and > > > robust release candidate, but yet release candidate. > > > > The main reason that it is kept on this name is because there might > > > be, yet, some hidden flaws in it. Flaws that neither you nor I know in > > > it... That could actually jeopardise your customer's system. > > > > He is not willing to take the risks... I would not be willing to take > > > the risks on his shoes as well... > > > > kind regards > > > Dérico > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Hello there, > > > > > I have a client that won't let me use 1.2 because 1.1.19 is tagged as > > > > stable whereas 1.2 is RC2... > > > > > I tried and tried to explain to him the many reasons why it would be > > > > better and more efficient and more secure etc... to use 1.2 but to no > > > > avail since all he can see is the 'stable' tag ... > > > > > So I was wondering if any one had any insight on when the 1.2 version > > > > would be tagged as stable. > > > > > I really don't want to go back working with 1.1 :( ... > > > > > I know the work put into this framework and all I'm asking if there is > > > > a chance for a stable tagged version within the forthcoming month > > > > since this would allow me to advocate 1.2 and save myself some > > > > trouble ... > > > > > thanks > > > > > ps. I know I'll probably get answers like : 'it'll be out when it'll > > > > be out', or 'just change client' :) but if the release is close I'd > > > > hate developing for 1.1. > > > > > ps2. And I surely would like to help for the release but I > > > > unfortunately miss time and skills. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
thanks for all the replies and I tried to explain that stable means 'considered stable' and that RC2 was working perfectly for we had to do. I think they would have preferred me to craft custom code which would have been far less secure and stable than using cakephp but that would not have been tagged anything as it was custom ...that's how stupid they are imo, I'm not that a good programmer but good enough to get work, so I won't bother myself with them anymore in the future :) As for 'hidden flaws' I doubt that when 1.2 is tagged stable this will mean that all possible bugs have been eradicated (this is software in its nature I feel), so not using a software product because it can have hidden flaws is not realistic in my opinion. thomas On Sep 6, 7:14 pm, Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree, the customer is always right, but you can always refuse to do > the job and explain exactly why. if you are that a good programmer > you will always have work to do, so why bother. I bet you the new > cake will be released very soon. Not so long ago it was only about > 40% complete now it is almost 100% and wont be long until it gets > released as stable. > > Cheers > > Marcus > > On Sep 6, 5:43 pm, Dérico Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello Thomas, > > > I might sound a little bit vexing saying this: > > > Your customer is right. I am sorry. > > > Well... 1.2 is yet a Release Candidate, although a very stable and > > robust release candidate, but yet release candidate. > > > The main reason that it is kept on this name is because there might > > be, yet, some hidden flaws in it. Flaws that neither you nor I know in > > it... That could actually jeopardise your customer's system. > > > He is not willing to take the risks... I would not be willing to take > > the risks on his shoes as well... > > > kind regards > > Dérico > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hello there, > > > > I have a client that won't let me use 1.2 because 1.1.19 is tagged as > > > stable whereas 1.2 is RC2... > > > > I tried and tried to explain to him the many reasons why it would be > > > better and more efficient and more secure etc... to use 1.2 but to no > > > avail since all he can see is the 'stable' tag ... > > > > So I was wondering if any one had any insight on when the 1.2 version > > > would be tagged as stable. > > > > I really don't want to go back working with 1.1 :( ... > > > > I know the work put into this framework and all I'm asking if there is > > > a chance for a stable tagged version within the forthcoming month > > > since this would allow me to advocate 1.2 and save myself some > > > trouble ... > > > > thanks > > > > ps. I know I'll probably get answers like : 'it'll be out when it'll > > > be out', or 'just change client' :) but if the release is close I'd > > > hate developing for 1.1. > > > > ps2. And I surely would like to help for the release but I > > > unfortunately miss time and skills. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
I agree, the customer is always right, but you can always refuse to do the job and explain exactly why. if you are that a good programmer you will always have work to do, so why bother. I bet you the new cake will be released very soon. Not so long ago it was only about 40% complete now it is almost 100% and wont be long until it gets released as stable. Cheers Marcus On Sep 6, 5:43 pm, Dérico Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Thomas, > > I might sound a little bit vexing saying this: > > Your customer is right. I am sorry. > > Well... 1.2 is yet a Release Candidate, although a very stable and > robust release candidate, but yet release candidate. > > The main reason that it is kept on this name is because there might > be, yet, some hidden flaws in it. Flaws that neither you nor I know in > it... That could actually jeopardise your customer's system. > > He is not willing to take the risks... I would not be willing to take > the risks on his shoes as well... > > kind regards > Dérico > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hello there, > > > I have a client that won't let me use 1.2 because 1.1.19 is tagged as > > stable whereas 1.2 is RC2... > > > I tried and tried to explain to him the many reasons why it would be > > better and more efficient and more secure etc... to use 1.2 but to no > > avail since all he can see is the 'stable' tag ... > > > So I was wondering if any one had any insight on when the 1.2 version > > would be tagged as stable. > > > I really don't want to go back working with 1.1 :( ... > > > I know the work put into this framework and all I'm asking if there is > > a chance for a stable tagged version within the forthcoming month > > since this would allow me to advocate 1.2 and save myself some > > trouble ... > > > thanks > > > ps. I know I'll probably get answers like : 'it'll be out when it'll > > be out', or 'just change client' :) but if the release is close I'd > > hate developing for 1.1. > > > ps2. And I surely would like to help for the release but I > > unfortunately miss time and skills. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
Hello Thomas, I might sound a little bit vexing saying this: Your customer is right. I am sorry. Well... 1.2 is yet a Release Candidate, although a very stable and robust release candidate, but yet release candidate. The main reason that it is kept on this name is because there might be, yet, some hidden flaws in it. Flaws that neither you nor I know in it... That could actually jeopardise your customer's system. He is not willing to take the risks... I would not be willing to take the risks on his shoes as well... kind regards Dérico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello there, > > I have a client that won't let me use 1.2 because 1.1.19 is tagged as > stable whereas 1.2 is RC2... > > I tried and tried to explain to him the many reasons why it would be > better and more efficient and more secure etc... to use 1.2 but to no > avail since all he can see is the 'stable' tag ... > > So I was wondering if any one had any insight on when the 1.2 version > would be tagged as stable. > > I really don't want to go back working with 1.1 :( ... > > I know the work put into this framework and all I'm asking if there is > a chance for a stable tagged version within the forthcoming month > since this would allow me to advocate 1.2 and save myself some > trouble ... > > thanks > > ps. I know I'll probably get answers like : 'it'll be out when it'll > be out', or 'just change client' :) but if the release is close I'd > hate developing for 1.1. > > ps2. And I surely would like to help for the release but I > unfortunately miss time and skills. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
In my opinion, you probably just need to tell him what "stable" means for something like a framework. People hear "unstable", think of Windows, and think of unexpected crashes. Tell him that using RC2 does not in anyway affect whether or not the site will crash, I bet that is what he is thinking. On Sep 6, 3:20 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thanks for the replies > > I think I'll just charge more (and even more if they suddendly decide > 1.1 is not good enough when 1.2 is tagged stable) > > I'm just very angry at these peope and wanted to force 1.2 on them > since it makes my life so much simpler :) > > Thanks again and thanks for this great framework > > thomas > > On Sep 5, 9:55 pm, teknoid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No worries, build stuff in 1.1... > > When 1.2 becomes stable charge them lost of $$$ to convert to 1.2 > > > Put this in a contract, since once 1.2 is stable 1.1 is obsolete and > > will require immediate upgrade ;) > > > On Sep 5, 3:27 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > I know all this, believe me > > > > My client decides because they are corporate and have people who said > > > they could not have 'not stable' software used for their sites, which > > > is I agree is the position of people who don"t really know what > > > software is about, they don"t even have the skills to judge whether it > > > is or not. It's a bank and they are just a pain. > > > > I guess I'll just not work with them anymore which will prevent me > > > from going insane. > > > > Sorry to have bothered the community with this. > > > > thomas > > > > On Sep 5, 5:34 pm, fr3nch13 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > IMO the RC2 is kind of a misnomer as this is the most stable release > > > > candidate of any software i've ever worked with. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
thanks for the replies I think I'll just charge more (and even more if they suddendly decide 1.1 is not good enough when 1.2 is tagged stable) I'm just very angry at these peope and wanted to force 1.2 on them since it makes my life so much simpler :) Thanks again and thanks for this great framework thomas On Sep 5, 9:55 pm, teknoid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No worries, build stuff in 1.1... > When 1.2 becomes stable charge them lost of $$$ to convert to 1.2 > > Put this in a contract, since once 1.2 is stable 1.1 is obsolete and > will require immediate upgrade ;) > > On Sep 5, 3:27 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I know all this, believe me > > > My client decides because they are corporate and have people who said > > they could not have 'not stable' software used for their sites, which > > is I agree is the position of people who don"t really know what > > software is about, they don"t even have the skills to judge whether it > > is or not. It's a bank and they are just a pain. > > > I guess I'll just not work with them anymore which will prevent me > > from going insane. > > > Sorry to have bothered the community with this. > > > thomas > > > On Sep 5, 5:34 pm, fr3nch13 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > IMO the RC2 is kind of a misnomer as this is the most stable release > > > candidate of any software i've ever worked with. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
No worries, build stuff in 1.1... When 1.2 becomes stable charge them lost of $$$ to convert to 1.2 Put this in a contract, since once 1.2 is stable 1.1 is obsolete and will require immediate upgrade ;) On Sep 5, 3:27 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know all this, believe me > > My client decides because they are corporate and have people who said > they could not have 'not stable' software used for their sites, which > is I agree is the position of people who don"t really know what > software is about, they don"t even have the skills to judge whether it > is or not. It's a bank and they are just a pain. > > I guess I'll just not work with them anymore which will prevent me > from going insane. > > Sorry to have bothered the community with this. > > thomas > > On Sep 5, 5:34 pm, fr3nch13 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > IMO the RC2 is kind of a misnomer as this is the most stable release > > candidate of any software i've ever worked with. > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
On Sep 5, 3:27 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know all this, believe me > > My client decides because they are corporate and have people who said > they could not have 'not stable' software used for their sites, which > is I agree is the position of people who don"t really know what > software is about, they don"t even have the skills to judge whether it > is or not. It's a bank and they are just a pain. > > I guess I'll just not work with them anymore which will prevent me > from going insane. > > Sorry to have bothered the community with this. > > thomas > Its no bother really, Unless you really don't want to work with 1.1 anymore there is really nothing wrong with it. You could always charge more to have to work with 1.1 so you have time to backport some of the features that you need, and any additional headaches. -Mark > On Sep 5, 5:34 pm, fr3nch13 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > IMO the RC2 is kind of a misnomer as this is the most stable release > > candidate of any software i've ever worked with. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
I know all this, believe me My client decides because they are corporate and have people who said they could not have 'not stable' software used for their sites, which is I agree is the position of people who don"t really know what software is about, they don"t even have the skills to judge whether it is or not. It's a bank and they are just a pain. I guess I'll just not work with them anymore which will prevent me from going insane. Sorry to have bothered the community with this. thomas On Sep 5, 5:34 pm, fr3nch13 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMO the RC2 is kind of a misnomer as this is the most stable release > candidate of any software i've ever worked with. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
IMO the RC2 is kind of a misnomer as this is the most stable release candidate of any software i've ever worked with. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cake 1.1.19 stable
On Sep 5, 2:45 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello there, > > I have a client that won't let me use 1.2 because 1.1.19 is tagged as > stable whereas 1.2 is RC2... > > I tried and tried to explain to him the many reasons why it would be > better and more efficient and more secure etc... to use 1.2 but to no > avail since all he can see is the 'stable' tag ... > > So I was wondering if any one had any insight on when the 1.2 version > would be tagged as stable. > > I really don't want to go back working with 1.1 :( ... > > I know the work put into this framework and all I'm asking if there is > a chance for a stable tagged version within the forthcoming month > since this would allow me to advocate 1.2 and save myself some > trouble ... > > thanks > > ps. I know I'll probably get answers like : 'it'll be out when it'll > be out', or 'just change client' :) but if the release is close I'd > hate developing for 1.1. > > ps2. And I surely would like to help for the release but I > unfortunately miss time and skills. Why is your client deciding how you work? What if your client told you to build it in C++ because he likes C++ would you do it? Or that he only approves of dreamweaver/homesite as an editor? Also ask if your client uses gmail or google calendar? both of these are beta and therefore should not be used by his logic. And honestly what makes software stable? no bugs? then all os'es can be considered unstable. Windows gets patches weekly. mac os and linux also get frequent patches. Yet these are considered stable. -Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Cake 1.1.19 stable
I have different problem as my customer want to wait for 1.3 > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:45:07 -0700 > Subject: Cake 1.1.19 stable > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: cake-php@googlegroups.com > > > Hello there, > > I have a client that won't let me use 1.2 because 1.1.19 is tagged as > stable whereas 1.2 is RC2... > > I tried and tried to explain to him the many reasons why it would be > better and more efficient and more secure etc... to use 1.2 but to no > avail since all he can see is the 'stable' tag ... > > So I was wondering if any one had any insight on when the 1.2 version > would be tagged as stable. > > I really don't want to go back working with 1.1 :( ... > > I know the work put into this framework and all I'm asking if there is > a chance for a stable tagged version within the forthcoming month > since this would allow me to advocate 1.2 and save myself some > trouble ... > > thanks > > ps. I know I'll probably get answers like : 'it'll be out when it'll > be out', or 'just change client' :) but if the release is close I'd > hate developing for 1.1. > > ps2. And I surely would like to help for the release but I > unfortunately miss time and skills. > > _ Get in touch with your inner athlete. Take the quiz. http://yourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-sg&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLYIA_takequiz_sg --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
