Re: CakePhp related domain
So transfer the ownership of the domain and use the hosting you have purchased for another enterprise of your own. Why should your outlay for the hosting be covered by the sale of this domain? Consider the benefit you have gained from using cake. - S On 12 November 2011 00:51, Sandy wrote: > > That is because I have paid several years of hosting in advance. At > $200 I would come out even. > > > On Nov 11, 12:33 pm, mike karthauser wrote: > > If this is the case then why not offer the domain at a nominal price - > ie 20 dollars rather than 200? If your intention is to keep it away from > the domain squatters then passing it on to someone to use it is worth that. > Otherwise let it expire and I'll grab it then :) > > > > Incidentally, as a developer who has benefitted from the work of the > cakephp foundation, perhaps donating it and some cash is more in order? > > > > On 11 Nov 2011, at 17:46, Sandy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this domain is mine. I am a CakePHP developer and wanted to blog > > > about my experience, but I have not been able to find time to do so. > > > > > I re-researched and feel fair, nominative use is valid in this case. > > > > > Nominative fair use is established when: > > > - The product cannot be readily identified without using the > > > trademark; > > > - Only so much of the trademark is used as is necessary for the > > > identification; and > > > - No sponsorship or endorsement of the trademark owner is suggested > > > by the use. > > > > > ( > http://www.duetsblog.com/2010/08/articles/domain-names/nominative-fai... > > > ) > > > > > More info is also available from the Electronic Frontier Foundation: > > >https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/IP#trademarkand > > > other websites. > > > > > On Nov 11, 4:18 am, phpMagpie wrote: > > >> Is this yourdomain? > > > > >> On Nov 9, 7:20 pm, Sandy wrote: > > > > >>> I thoroughly researched this beforehand and this falls under "fair > > >>> use" for trademarks as it is used nominatively and does not cause > > >>> confusion. If not, alot of similar websites would also have to be > > >>> shutdown (Google "photoshop tutorials", "excel tutorials" or similar > > >>> to see a great list of websites that use trademarks legally in the > > >>> same fashion). > > > > >>> In my opinion its better for a CakePHP programmer to use it and not > > >>> somedomainsquatter, which is why I'm including it here. > > > > >>> On Nov 8, 7:00 am, euromark wrote: > > > > indeed, pretty cocky :) > > > > nothing against making some profit using software made with cake. > > but this is not a place to put advertising and THEN profit from it. > > pretty soon everybody puts some ads in here. and it ain't gonna be > no > > help forum anymore.. > > > > On 8 Nov., 05:52, "Larry E. Masters" wrote: > > > > > I like how people use a registered trademark ( > http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf) > > > and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or > do you > > > prefer to remove it yourself? > > > > > -- > > > Larry E. Masters > > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins > > > wrote: > > > > >> Hey in case anyone is interested, thisdomainis for sale (or > auction, > > >> not sure) at $200:www.cakephptutorials.com > > > > >> Go more info here: > > >> > https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 > > > > >> -- > > >> Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > > >>http://tv.cakephp.org > > >> Check out the new CakePHP Questions > sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organdhelp > > >> others with their CakePHPrelatedquestions. > > > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit > this group > > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > > > > > -- > > > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorialshttp:// > tv.cakephp.org > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organd help > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > group athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > > -- > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > http://tv.cakephp.org > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegrou
Re: CakePhp related domain
On 11/11/11 18:33, "mike karthauser" wrote: > If this is the case then why not offer the domain at a nominal price - ie 20 > dollars rather than 200? If your intention is to keep it away from the domain > squatters then passing it on to someone to use it is worth that. Otherwise let > it expire and I'll grab it then :) > > Incidentally, as a developer who has benefitted from the work of the cakephp > foundation, perhaps donating it and some cash is more in order? +1 A little gratitude may the correct action in this case rather than legal wranglings or trying to grift $200... Cheers, Phil... -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
The trademark owner can contact the ICANN and ask for the domain* > suspension, right? > > * Wich contains the trademarked name > > Thiago, Yes that is what we have done before. -- Larry E. Masters -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
Hi Sam, Its hosted on Hostdime and not Godaddy. Actually, this having become more of a big deal than I thought, I might just keep it and place ads if nothing better comes up. Thanks for the idea. On Nov 12, 11:18 am, Sam Sherlock wrote: > Ironic that hosting is on godaddy as cake fan problematic on those servers. > > The domain is of little value really, the hosting is of no value. As cake > foundation could host it on existing servers. > > As for someone taking the package from you you should rethink perhaps > partner with some other development make something of value to the cake > community - you could cover some losses via advertising & referrals > (covering you total outlay is expecting too much) > > - S > On 12 Nov 2011 16:06, "Sandy" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi phpMagpie, > > > The $200 is not for the domain registration, but because I have paid > > the hosting in advance, which is valid until 2013 and can be kept by > > anyone interested in the domain. I cannot get a refund for this so I > > at least would like to get this part back. > > > The auction is because I got into GoDaddy Auctions for free as a > > bundle with another purchase. I'm not interested in more. > > > On Nov 12, 4:38 am, phpMagpie wrote: > > > > Sandy: Yes, this domain is mine > > > > Just wanted to know if it was you trying to make a profit from a > > > CakePHP related domain, or if you were informing us of someone else > > > who was selling this domain?> In my opinion its better for a CakePHP > > programmer to use it and not > some domain squatter, which is why I'm > > including it here. > > > > As Mike says, if you are truly doing this to benefit the CakePHP > > > community, transferring it to the foundation or someone who will do > > > good with the domain (which you state is your desired outcome) without > > > trying to make a profit (no matter how small) would make more sense. > > > Not doing this makes your statement about domain squatters seem more > > > of a threat to encourage a community member to buy the domain rather > > > than a genuine concern. > > > As for recouping your registration fees, the domain was first > > > registered in 2007 and has been dropped once and moved registrar a few > > > times so I would guess you're not the first owner. So, at tops I > > > would say you've paid 4 years registrations, I would find a different > > > registrar if paying $50 a year for .com domains, but why should > > > someone else pay for the fact you have not found the time to develop > > > the site in those 4 years, that's not their fault? > > > I have to admit, you've touched a sore subject for me here as I really > > > dislike the practice of buying domains, do nothing with then then > > > trying to sell at a profit. You've added ZERO value to the domain > > > (the only value of this domain is the CakePHP trademarked name). This > > > put's you on a very similar level as a ticket tout in my eyes and by > > > stating in your OP that you're considering auction, this shows you > > > would really like more than $200. > > > Paul > > > -- > > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > >http://tv.cakephp.org > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organd help > > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
Ironic that hosting is on godaddy as cake fan problematic on those servers. The domain is of little value really, the hosting is of no value. As cake foundation could host it on existing servers. As for someone taking the package from you you should rethink perhaps partner with some other development make something of value to the cake community - you could cover some losses via advertising & referrals (covering you total outlay is expecting too much) - S On 12 Nov 2011 16:06, "Sandy" wrote: > > Hi phpMagpie, > > The $200 is not for the domain registration, but because I have paid > the hosting in advance, which is valid until 2013 and can be kept by > anyone interested in the domain. I cannot get a refund for this so I > at least would like to get this part back. > > The auction is because I got into GoDaddy Auctions for free as a > bundle with another purchase. I'm not interested in more. > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:38 am, phpMagpie wrote: > > > Sandy: Yes, this domain is mine > > > > Just wanted to know if it was you trying to make a profit from a > > CakePHP related domain, or if you were informing us of someone else > > who was selling this domain?> In my opinion its better for a CakePHP > programmer to use it and not > some domain squatter, which is why I'm > including it here. > > > > As Mike says, if you are truly doing this to benefit the CakePHP > > community, transferring it to the foundation or someone who will do > > good with the domain (which you state is your desired outcome) without > > trying to make a profit (no matter how small) would make more sense. > > Not doing this makes your statement about domain squatters seem more > > of a threat to encourage a community member to buy the domain rather > > than a genuine concern. > > As for recouping your registration fees, the domain was first > > registered in 2007 and has been dropped once and moved registrar a few > > times so I would guess you're not the first owner. So, at tops I > > would say you've paid 4 years registrations, I would find a different > > registrar if paying $50 a year for .com domains, but why should > > someone else pay for the fact you have not found the time to develop > > the site in those 4 years, that's not their fault? > > I have to admit, you've touched a sore subject for me here as I really > > dislike the practice of buying domains, do nothing with then then > > trying to sell at a profit. You've added ZERO value to the domain > > (the only value of this domain is the CakePHP trademarked name). This > > put's you on a very similar level as a ticket tout in my eyes and by > > stating in your OP that you're considering auction, this shows you > > would really like more than $200. > > Paul > > -- > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > http://tv.cakephp.org > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
Hi phpMagpie, The $200 is not for the domain registration, but because I have paid the hosting in advance, which is valid until 2013 and can be kept by anyone interested in the domain. I cannot get a refund for this so I at least would like to get this part back. The auction is because I got into GoDaddy Auctions for free as a bundle with another purchase. I'm not interested in more. On Nov 12, 4:38 am, phpMagpie wrote: > > Sandy: Yes, this domain is mine > > Just wanted to know if it was you trying to make a profit from a > CakePHP related domain, or if you were informing us of someone else > who was selling this domain?> In my opinion its better for a CakePHP > programmer to use it and not > some domain squatter, which is why I'm > including it here. > > As Mike says, if you are truly doing this to benefit the CakePHP > community, transferring it to the foundation or someone who will do > good with the domain (which you state is your desired outcome) without > trying to make a profit (no matter how small) would make more sense. > Not doing this makes your statement about domain squatters seem more > of a threat to encourage a community member to buy the domain rather > than a genuine concern. > As for recouping your registration fees, the domain was first > registered in 2007 and has been dropped once and moved registrar a few > times so I would guess you're not the first owner. So, at tops I > would say you've paid 4 years registrations, I would find a different > registrar if paying $50 a year for .com domains, but why should > someone else pay for the fact you have not found the time to develop > the site in those 4 years, that's not their fault? > I have to admit, you've touched a sore subject for me here as I really > dislike the practice of buying domains, do nothing with then then > trying to sell at a profit. You've added ZERO value to the domain > (the only value of this domain is the CakePHP trademarked name). This > put's you on a very similar level as a ticket tout in my eyes and by > stating in your OP that you're considering auction, this shows you > would really like more than $200. > Paul -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
The trademark owner can contact the ICANN and ask for the domain* suspension, right? * Wich contains the trademarked name -- ***Thiago Belem* Desenvolvedor Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brasil +55 (21) 8865.9250 thiagobelem.net cont...@thiagobelem.net *Skype / gTalk **»* thiago.belem.web *LinkedIn* *»* br.linkedin.com/in/thiagobelem/pt* Assando Sites*, curso de CakePHP *»* assando-sites.com.br 2011/11/12 phpMagpie > > Sandy: Yes, this domain is mine > Just wanted to know if it was you trying to make a profit from a > CakePHP related domain, or if you were informing us of someone else > who was selling this domain? > > In my opinion its better for a CakePHP programmer to use it and not > > some domain squatter, which is why I'm including it here. > As Mike says, if you are truly doing this to benefit the CakePHP > community, transferring it to the foundation or someone who will do > good with the domain (which you state is your desired outcome) without > trying to make a profit (no matter how small) would make more sense. > Not doing this makes your statement about domain squatters seem more > of a threat to encourage a community member to buy the domain rather > than a genuine concern. > As for recouping your registration fees, the domain was first > registered in 2007 and has been dropped once and moved registrar a few > times so I would guess you're not the first owner. So, at tops I > would say you've paid 4 years registrations, I would find a different > registrar if paying $50 a year for .com domains, but why should > someone else pay for the fact you have not found the time to develop > the site in those 4 years, that's not their fault? > I have to admit, you've touched a sore subject for me here as I really > dislike the practice of buying domains, do nothing with then then > trying to sell at a profit. You've added ZERO value to the domain > (the only value of this domain is the CakePHP trademarked name). This > put's you on a very similar level as a ticket tout in my eyes and by > stating in your OP that you're considering auction, this shows you > would really like more than $200. > Paul > > -- > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > http://tv.cakephp.org > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
> Sandy: Yes, this domain is mine Just wanted to know if it was you trying to make a profit from a CakePHP related domain, or if you were informing us of someone else who was selling this domain? > In my opinion its better for a CakePHP programmer to use it and not > some > domain squatter, which is why I'm including it here. As Mike says, if you are truly doing this to benefit the CakePHP community, transferring it to the foundation or someone who will do good with the domain (which you state is your desired outcome) without trying to make a profit (no matter how small) would make more sense. Not doing this makes your statement about domain squatters seem more of a threat to encourage a community member to buy the domain rather than a genuine concern. As for recouping your registration fees, the domain was first registered in 2007 and has been dropped once and moved registrar a few times so I would guess you're not the first owner. So, at tops I would say you've paid 4 years registrations, I would find a different registrar if paying $50 a year for .com domains, but why should someone else pay for the fact you have not found the time to develop the site in those 4 years, that's not their fault? I have to admit, you've touched a sore subject for me here as I really dislike the practice of buying domains, do nothing with then then trying to sell at a profit. You've added ZERO value to the domain (the only value of this domain is the CakePHP trademarked name). This put's you on a very similar level as a ticket tout in my eyes and by stating in your OP that you're considering auction, this shows you would really like more than $200. Paul -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
That is because I have paid several years of hosting in advance. At $200 I would come out even. On Nov 11, 12:33 pm, mike karthauser wrote: > If this is the case then why not offer the domain at a nominal price - ie 20 > dollars rather than 200? If your intention is to keep it away from the domain > squatters then passing it on to someone to use it is worth that. Otherwise > let it expire and I'll grab it then :) > > Incidentally, as a developer who has benefitted from the work of the cakephp > foundation, perhaps donating it and some cash is more in order? > > On 11 Nov 2011, at 17:46, Sandy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this domain is mine. I am a CakePHP developer and wanted to blog > > about my experience, but I have not been able to find time to do so. > > > I re-researched and feel fair, nominative use is valid in this case. > > > Nominative fair use is established when: > > - The product cannot be readily identified without using the > > trademark; > > - Only so much of the trademark is used as is necessary for the > > identification; and > > - No sponsorship or endorsement of the trademark owner is suggested > > by the use. > > > (http://www.duetsblog.com/2010/08/articles/domain-names/nominative-fai... > > ) > > > More info is also available from the Electronic Frontier Foundation: > >https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/IP#trademarkand > > other websites. > > > On Nov 11, 4:18 am, phpMagpie wrote: > >> Is this yourdomain? > > >> On Nov 9, 7:20 pm, Sandy wrote: > > >>> I thoroughly researched this beforehand and this falls under "fair > >>> use" for trademarks as it is used nominatively and does not cause > >>> confusion. If not, alot of similar websites would also have to be > >>> shutdown (Google "photoshop tutorials", "excel tutorials" or similar > >>> to see a great list of websites that use trademarks legally in the > >>> same fashion). > > >>> In my opinion its better for a CakePHP programmer to use it and not > >>> somedomainsquatter, which is why I'm including it here. > > >>> On Nov 8, 7:00 am, euromark wrote: > > indeed, pretty cocky :) > > nothing against making some profit using software made with cake. > but this is not a place to put advertising and THEN profit from it. > pretty soon everybody puts some ads in here. and it ain't gonna be no > help forum anymore.. > > On 8 Nov., 05:52, "Larry E. Masters" wrote: > > > I like how people use a registered trademark > > (http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf) > > and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or do you > > prefer to remove it yourself? > > > -- > > Larry E. Masters > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins > > wrote: > > >> Hey in case anyone is interested, thisdomainis for sale (or auction, > >> not sure) at $200:www.cakephptutorials.com > > >> Go more info here: > >>https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 > > >> -- > >> Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > >>http://tv.cakephp.org > >> Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organdhelp > >> others with their CakePHPrelatedquestions. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > >> group > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > > > -- > > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video > > Tutorialshttp://tv.cakephp.org > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organd help > > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
If this is the case then why not offer the domain at a nominal price - ie 20 dollars rather than 200? If your intention is to keep it away from the domain squatters then passing it on to someone to use it is worth that. Otherwise let it expire and I'll grab it then :) Incidentally, as a developer who has benefitted from the work of the cakephp foundation, perhaps donating it and some cash is more in order? On 11 Nov 2011, at 17:46, Sandy wrote: > > Yes, this domain is mine. I am a CakePHP developer and wanted to blog > about my experience, but I have not been able to find time to do so. > > I re-researched and feel fair, nominative use is valid in this case. > > Nominative fair use is established when: > - The product cannot be readily identified without using the > trademark; > - Only so much of the trademark is used as is necessary for the > identification; and > - No sponsorship or endorsement of the trademark owner is suggested > by the use. > > ( > http://www.duetsblog.com/2010/08/articles/domain-names/nominative-fair-use-of-trademarks-in-domain-names/ > ) > > More info is also available from the Electronic Frontier Foundation: > https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/IP#trademark and > other websites. > > > On Nov 11, 4:18 am, phpMagpie wrote: >> Is this yourdomain? >> >> On Nov 9, 7:20 pm, Sandy wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I thoroughly researched this beforehand and this falls under "fair >>> use" for trademarks as it is used nominatively and does not cause >>> confusion. If not, alot of similar websites would also have to be >>> shutdown (Google "photoshop tutorials", "excel tutorials" or similar >>> to see a great list of websites that use trademarks legally in the >>> same fashion). >> >>> In my opinion its better for a CakePHP programmer to use it and not >>> somedomainsquatter, which is why I'm including it here. >> >>> On Nov 8, 7:00 am, euromark wrote: >> indeed, pretty cocky :) >> nothing against making some profit using software made with cake. but this is not a place to put advertising and THEN profit from it. pretty soon everybody puts some ads in here. and it ain't gonna be no help forum anymore.. >> On 8 Nov., 05:52, "Larry E. Masters" wrote: >> > I like how people use a registered trademark (http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf) > and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or do you > prefer to remove it yourself? >> > -- > Larry E. Masters >> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins > wrote: >> >> Hey in case anyone is interested, thisdomainis for sale (or auction, >> not sure) at $200:www.cakephptutorials.com >> >> Go more info here: >> https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 >> >> -- >> Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials >> http://tv.cakephp.org >> Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organdhelp >> others with their CakePHPrelatedquestions. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > > -- > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > http://tv.cakephp.org > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
http://simmonstrialpractice.com/fair-use-of-trademark-in-domain-name-ninth-circuit/ Seems like nominative use to me. Though I do agree that the Cake Foundation should protect its rights. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:18 AM, phpMagpie wrote: > Is this your domain? > > On Nov 9, 7:20 pm, Sandy wrote: >> I thoroughly researched this beforehand and this falls under "fair >> use" for trademarks as it is used nominatively and does not cause >> confusion. If not, alot of similar websites would also have to be >> shutdown (Google "photoshop tutorials", "excel tutorials" or similar >> to see a great list of websites that use trademarks legally in the >> same fashion). >> >> In my opinion its better for a CakePHP programmer to use it and not >> some domain squatter, which is why I'm including it here. >> >> On Nov 8, 7:00 am, euromark wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > indeed, pretty cocky :) >> >> > nothing against making some profit using software made with cake. >> > but this is not a place to put advertising and THEN profit from it. >> > pretty soon everybody puts some ads in here. and it ain't gonna be no >> > help forum anymore.. >> >> > On 8 Nov., 05:52, "Larry E. Masters" wrote: >> >> > > I like how people use a registered trademark (http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf) >> > > and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or do you >> > > prefer to remove it yourself? >> >> > > -- >> > > Larry E. Masters >> >> > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > Hey in case anyone is interested, this domain is for sale (or auction, >> > > > not sure) at $200:www.cakephptutorials.com >> >> > > > Go more info here: >> > > >https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 >> >> > > > -- >> > > > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials >> > > >http://tv.cakephp.org >> > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organdhelp >> > > > others with their CakePHP related questions. >> >> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this >> > > > group >> > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > > -- > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > http://tv.cakephp.org > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
Yes, this domain is mine. I am a CakePHP developer and wanted to blog about my experience, but I have not been able to find time to do so. I re-researched and feel fair, nominative use is valid in this case. Nominative fair use is established when: - The product cannot be readily identified without using the trademark; - Only so much of the trademark is used as is necessary for the identification; and - No sponsorship or endorsement of the trademark owner is suggested by the use. ( http://www.duetsblog.com/2010/08/articles/domain-names/nominative-fair-use-of-trademarks-in-domain-names/ ) More info is also available from the Electronic Frontier Foundation: https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/IP#trademark and other websites. On Nov 11, 4:18 am, phpMagpie wrote: > Is this yourdomain? > > On Nov 9, 7:20 pm, Sandy wrote: > > > > > > > > > I thoroughly researched this beforehand and this falls under "fair > > use" for trademarks as it is used nominatively and does not cause > > confusion. If not, alot of similar websites would also have to be > > shutdown (Google "photoshop tutorials", "excel tutorials" or similar > > to see a great list of websites that use trademarks legally in the > > same fashion). > > > In my opinion its better for a CakePHP programmer to use it and not > > somedomainsquatter, which is why I'm including it here. > > > On Nov 8, 7:00 am, euromark wrote: > > > > indeed, pretty cocky :) > > > > nothing against making some profit using software made with cake. > > > but this is not a place to put advertising and THEN profit from it. > > > pretty soon everybody puts some ads in here. and it ain't gonna be no > > > help forum anymore.. > > > > On 8 Nov., 05:52, "Larry E. Masters" wrote: > > > > > I like how people use a registered trademark > > > > (http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf) > > > > and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or do you > > > > prefer to remove it yourself? > > > > > -- > > > > Larry E. Masters > > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey in case anyone is interested, thisdomainis for sale (or auction, > > > > > not sure) at $200:www.cakephptutorials.com > > > > > > Go more info here: > > > > >https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 > > > > > > -- > > > > > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > > > > >http://tv.cakephp.org > > > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organdhelp > > > > > others with their CakePHPrelatedquestions. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > > > > > group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
Is this your domain? On Nov 9, 7:20 pm, Sandy wrote: > I thoroughly researched this beforehand and this falls under "fair > use" for trademarks as it is used nominatively and does not cause > confusion. If not, alot of similar websites would also have to be > shutdown (Google "photoshop tutorials", "excel tutorials" or similar > to see a great list of websites that use trademarks legally in the > same fashion). > > In my opinion its better for a CakePHP programmer to use it and not > some domain squatter, which is why I'm including it here. > > On Nov 8, 7:00 am, euromark wrote: > > > > > > > > > indeed, pretty cocky :) > > > nothing against making some profit using software made with cake. > > but this is not a place to put advertising and THEN profit from it. > > pretty soon everybody puts some ads in here. and it ain't gonna be no > > help forum anymore.. > > > On 8 Nov., 05:52, "Larry E. Masters" wrote: > > > > I like how people use a registered trademark (http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf) > > > and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or do you > > > prefer to remove it yourself? > > > > -- > > > Larry E. Masters > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins > > > wrote: > > > > > Hey in case anyone is interested, this domain is for sale (or auction, > > > > not sure) at $200:www.cakephptutorials.com > > > > > Go more info here: > > > >https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 > > > > > -- > > > > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > > > >http://tv.cakephp.org > > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organdhelp > > > > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
Sandy, I am not sure where you checked on this being "fair use" but I an guarantee it does not fall under fair use. You have the option of removing it yourself, or as I said, I can have a take down notice sent. The Cake Software Foundation, Inc protects its trademarks and copyrights it owns and does so to protect our community of users. If an organization does not protect their trademarks, they run a chance of forfeiting them. I have been through this process a few times since the foundation was formed. -- Larry E. Masters On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Sandy wrote: > > I thoroughly researched this beforehand and this falls under "fair > use" for trademarks as it is used nominatively and does not cause > confusion. If not, alot of similar websites would also have to be > shutdown (Google "photoshop tutorials", "excel tutorials" or similar > to see a great list of websites that use trademarks legally in the > same fashion). > > In my opinion its better for a CakePHP programmer to use it and not > some domain squatter, which is why I'm including it here. > > > > On Nov 8, 7:00 am, euromark wrote: > > indeed, pretty cocky :) > > > > nothing against making some profit using software made with cake. > > but this is not a place to put advertising and THEN profit from it. > > pretty soon everybody puts some ads in here. and it ain't gonna be no > > help forum anymore.. > > > > On 8 Nov., 05:52, "Larry E. Masters" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like how people use a registered trademark ( > http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf) > > > and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or do > you > > > prefer to remove it yourself? > > > > > -- > > > Larry E. Masters > > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hey in case anyone is interested, this domain is for sale (or > auction, > > > > not sure) at $200:www.cakephptutorials.com > > > > > > Go more info here: > > > > > https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 > > > > > > -- > > > > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > > > >http://tv.cakephp.org > > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organdhelp > > > > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > > -- > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > http://tv.cakephp.org > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
I thoroughly researched this beforehand and this falls under "fair use" for trademarks as it is used nominatively and does not cause confusion. If not, alot of similar websites would also have to be shutdown (Google "photoshop tutorials", "excel tutorials" or similar to see a great list of websites that use trademarks legally in the same fashion). In my opinion its better for a CakePHP programmer to use it and not some domain squatter, which is why I'm including it here. On Nov 8, 7:00 am, euromark wrote: > indeed, pretty cocky :) > > nothing against making some profit using software made with cake. > but this is not a place to put advertising and THEN profit from it. > pretty soon everybody puts some ads in here. and it ain't gonna be no > help forum anymore.. > > On 8 Nov., 05:52, "Larry E. Masters" wrote: > > > > > > > > > I like how people use a registered trademark (http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf) > > and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or do you > > prefer to remove it yourself? > > > -- > > Larry E. Masters > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins > > wrote: > > > > Hey in case anyone is interested, this domain is for sale (or auction, > > > not sure) at $200:www.cakephptutorials.com > > > > Go more info here: > > >https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 > > > > -- > > > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > > >http://tv.cakephp.org > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organdhelp > > > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
I investigated beforehand and this is fair use of a trademark. I'm not trying to impersonate or cause confusion among CakePHP users by making a CakePHP tutorial site... the word CakePHP is used nominatively. If this were true, then many sites that contain trademarked names would have to be closed, for example: photoshoptutorials.ws/ www.photoshopstar.com/ www.officetutorials.com/ excelhelp.org/ www.excelforum.com/ and tons more. On Nov 7, 10:52 pm, "Larry E. Masters" wrote: > I like how people use a registered trademark (http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf) > and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or do you > prefer to remove it yourself? > > -- > Larry E. Masters > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey in case anyone is interested, this domain is for sale (or auction, > > not sure) at $200:www.cakephptutorials.com > > > Go more info here: > >https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 > > > -- > > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > >http://tv.cakephp.org > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organd help > > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
indeed, pretty cocky :) nothing against making some profit using software made with cake. but this is not a place to put advertising and THEN profit from it. pretty soon everybody puts some ads in here. and it ain't gonna be no help forum anymore.. On 8 Nov., 05:52, "Larry E. Masters" wrote: > I like how people use a registered trademark (http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf) > and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or do you > prefer to remove it yourself? > > -- > Larry E. Masters > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey in case anyone is interested, this domain is for sale (or auction, > > not sure) at $200:www.cakephptutorials.com > > > Go more info here: > >https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 > > > -- > > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > >http://tv.cakephp.org > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://ask.cakephp.organd help > > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
Re: CakePhp related domain
I like how people use a registered trademark ( http://tinyurl.com/cjgr6yf ) and then try to profit from it. Should I send you a letter now or do you prefer to remove it yourself? -- Larry E. Masters On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Sandy Wilkins wrote: > > Hey in case anyone is interested, this domain is for sale (or auction, > not sure) at $200: www.cakephptutorials.com > > Go more info here: > https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=44661&miid=59169857 > > -- > Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials > http://tv.cakephp.org > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php > -- Our newest site for the community: CakePHP Video Tutorials http://tv.cakephp.org Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://ask.cakephp.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php
