Re: [Callers] Dances with three or more allemandes

[Don Veino]

Look here, I posted this link later: http://veino.com/allemande.html

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Richard Dempsey wrote:

> Is the picture still on Google Drive?  I can't see it.  :-(

Re: [Callers] Height differential

[Hgrastorf]

For me (a short person -- but only on the outside), a problem I  
occasionally have with some tall dancers is the failure to take relative  arm 
length 
differential into consideration during the swing. If his left  arm is nearly 
straight, my right is hyperextended and I'm off  balance. 

April Blum

Re: [Callers] Height diffferential

[Les Addison]

I recently danced with a neighbor who always had his hand perfectly on my
scapula.  It was like there was a magnet between his hand and my back, and
i loved it.  When I had a chance, between dances, I let him know how much I
appreciated it, and asked him what his trick is, hoping that I could
emulate it.  He had no idea, and suggested that maybe I'm just the right
height/size for dancing with him.

(though if anyone has tips for hand placement as a gent during a swing, I'm
all ears.)

Les


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Dale Wilson  wrote:

> An interesting topic.
>
> We have women at both ends of the height spectrum.  I don't (as far as I
> know) have trouble with the short ones, but it took me a while to adapt to
> dancing with women who were considerably taller than I am.
>
> Finally I just asked some of them, "Where should I put my hand to support
> you best during a swing."
>
> The answers varied from one woman to another, and they might well vary
> based on my height, weight and style, but I will say that asking worked
> well.
>
> Dale
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:23 AM, George Mercer 
> wrote:
>
> > A number of years ago I danced a number of times with a woman who was
> much
> > shorter than me.  I am about 5'6" or so on a good day.  She was probably
> > 4'8" give or take an inch. When we'd go into a swing, as my arm went
> around
> > her to her back, she'd lock her left arm down so that I could hardly get
> my
> > right hand past her side.  At first I thought it was bad form on her
> part,
> > but let it be.  Then as I watched her dance with others, I realized that
> > when her co-swinger managed to get his arm around her to the "normal"
> place
> > it had the result of lifting her left side up to what appeared to me to
> be
> > a discomfort level.  The taller the man, the further her left side was
> > forced to go.  I had to learn a new approach to entering a swing, even to
> > lean toward bad form when the height of the other dancer led me to an
> > adjusted approach.  I'm not suggesting we should teach this, but thinking
> > about how your technique (good or bad) can cause another discomfort is
> > worth thinking about.  Over the year I've danced enough with men that
> I've
> > also experienced discomfort with this height differential.  Just thinking
> > out loud.  Thanks.
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Re: [Callers] Height diffferential

[Dale Wilson]

An interesting topic.

We have women at both ends of the height spectrum.  I don't (as far as I
know) have trouble with the short ones, but it took me a while to adapt to
dancing with women who were considerably taller than I am.

Finally I just asked some of them, "Where should I put my hand to support
you best during a swing."

The answers varied from one woman to another, and they might well vary
based on my height, weight and style, but I will say that asking worked
well.

Dale


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:23 AM, George Mercer  wrote:

> A number of years ago I danced a number of times with a woman who was much
> shorter than me.  I am about 5'6" or so on a good day.  She was probably
> 4'8" give or take an inch. When we'd go into a swing, as my arm went around
> her to her back, she'd lock her left arm down so that I could hardly get my
> right hand past her side.  At first I thought it was bad form on her part,
> but let it be.  Then as I watched her dance with others, I realized that
> when her co-swinger managed to get his arm around her to the "normal" place
> it had the result of lifting her left side up to what appeared to me to be
> a discomfort level.  The taller the man, the further her left side was
> forced to go.  I had to learn a new approach to entering a swing, even to
> lean toward bad form when the height of the other dancer led me to an
> adjusted approach.  I'm not suggesting we should teach this, but thinking
> about how your technique (good or bad) can cause another discomfort is
> worth thinking about.  Over the year I've danced enough with men that I've
> also experienced discomfort with this height differential.  Just thinking
> out loud.  Thanks.
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Re: [Callers] Dances with three or more allemandes

[Richard Dempsey]

Hi Don,

Is the picture still on Google Drive?  I can't see it.  :-(

I'm quite interested in seeing it.  Some years ago, Lisa Greenleaf taught a 
healthy allemande hold, and I'm curious to know if yours is the same or 
different.  I find there is a surprising level of disagreement on the topic.

Rich

On Feb 17, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Don Veino wrote:

> [Lots of other posts trimmed...]
> 
> BTW, for allemandes I use a connection that I picked up somewhere in my
> contra travels (which sounds a lot like some of he best practices described
> to this point). I find this to be fairly common where I dance. As a picture
> is worth a thousand words, here it is (note I'm torqued slightly in these
> due to holding the camera with the other hand for the photo -- the normal
> connection is neutral and unstressed but results in good weight):
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3My2DFMxZpOb3g1MVJWSS1lOGc/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> -Don

Re: [Callers] Dances with three or more allemandes

[Dale Wilson]

Yes, the pictures explain it.  Note that there is nothing between the thumb
and the side of your hand.   You can't clamp the thumb down against
anything but your own hand.

And here is one of my favorite dances with lots of allemandes.

*The Big Bicep*  by Jim Hemphill Becket
A1 Circle left 3, step to an ocean wave (ladies by the left in center)
 Balance forward & back, step forward
A2 Next neighbor allemande right 1/2, men left 1/2,
 partner right 1/2, ladies left 1/2(double swing thru)
 Neighbor swing
B1 Men allemande left 1 1/2
 Partner pull by Right. Ladies Allemande left 1x
B2 Partner Balance and Swing

Dale


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Don Veino wrote:

> [Lots of other posts trimmed...]
>
> Similar to a previous comment, and knowing one size does not fit all, I try
> to preface any "style points" with a fellow dancer with "it would help me
> if..." and then describe or show my desired interaction behavior. Puts the
> issue totally on me and makes it sound like I'm asking a favor of them to
> adjust to my needs, not correcting them -- if it leads to further good form
> from them generally thereafter, so much the better. I've not had a negative
> reaction to this since I started doing it.
>
> BTW, for allemandes I use a connection that I picked up somewhere in my
> contra travels (which sounds a lot like some of he best practices described
> to this point). I find this to be fairly common where I dance. As a picture
> is worth a thousand words, here it is (note I'm torqued slightly in these
> due to holding the camera with the other hand for the photo -- the normal
> connection is neutral and unstressed but results in good weight):
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3My2DFMxZpOb3g1MVJWSS1lOGc/edit?usp=sharing
>
> -Don
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Re: [Callers] Subject: Height diffferential

[Lindsay Morris]

There are certainly exceptions. But I think in general, children who are new to 
contra find it easier to take a two-handed swing, and find it more enjoyable to 
do.

> On Feb 18, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Andrea Nettleton  
> wrote:
> 
> My daughter gives great weight and definitely prefers a regular swing.  She 
> feels out of control and in danger in a two hand swing.  It flings her closer 
> to the other dancers who are much bigger and heavier than she is, even now at 
> age eleven, and if it gets too fast, threatens to sweep her off her feet.  
> Andrea
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 3:04 PM, George Mercer  wrote:
>> 
>> I like the two-hand turn for children, though some really look forward to
>> the "regular" contra swing.
>> .
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Lindsay Morris wrote:
>> 
>>> With small children, a two-hand turn in place of a swing is usually a good
>>> idea.  And I've sometimes used a two-hand turn to show a grown-up partner
>>> what a buzz-step swing ought to feel like.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lindsay Morris
>>> CEO, TSMworks
>>> Tel. 1-859-539-9900
>>> lind...@tsmworks.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM, John W Gintell  wrote:
 
 I've noticed some tall dancers bend their knees and stoop a bit to make
 them closer to the height of the person they are swinging with. A very
>>> nice
 gesture.
 
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:23:35 -0500
> From: George Mercer 
> To: "Caller's discussion list" 
> Subject: [Callers] Height diffferential
> Message-ID:
> 

Re: [Callers] Subject: Height diffferential

[Andrea Nettleton]

My daughter gives great weight and definitely prefers a regular swing.  She 
feels out of control and in danger in a two hand swing.  It flings her closer 
to the other dancers who are much bigger and heavier than she is, even now at 
age eleven, and if it gets too fast, threatens to sweep her off her feet.  
Andrea

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 18, 2014, at 3:04 PM, George Mercer  wrote:
> 
> I like the two-hand turn for children, though some really look forward to
> the "regular" contra swing.
> .
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Lindsay Morris wrote:
> 
>> With small children, a two-hand turn in place of a swing is usually a good
>> idea.  And I've sometimes used a two-hand turn to show a grown-up partner
>> what a buzz-step swing ought to feel like.
>> 
>> 
>> Lindsay Morris
>> CEO, TSMworks
>> Tel. 1-859-539-9900
>> lind...@tsmworks.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM, John W Gintell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've noticed some tall dancers bend their knees and stoop a bit to make
>>> them closer to the height of the person they are swinging with. A very
>> nice
>>> gesture.
>>> 
 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:23:35 -0500
 From: George Mercer 
 To: "Caller's discussion list" 
 Subject: [Callers] Height diffferential
 Message-ID:
  

Re: [Callers] Subject: Height diffferential

[George Mercer]

I like the two-hand turn for children, though some really look forward to
the "regular" contra swing.
. 


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Lindsay Morris wrote:

> With small children, a two-hand turn in place of a swing is usually a good
> idea.  And I've sometimes used a two-hand turn to show a grown-up partner
> what a buzz-step swing ought to feel like.
>
> 
> Lindsay Morris
> CEO, TSMworks
> Tel. 1-859-539-9900
> lind...@tsmworks.com
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM, John W Gintell  wrote:
>
> > I've noticed some tall dancers bend their knees and stoop a bit to make
> > them closer to the height of the person they are swinging with. A very
> nice
> > gesture.
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:23:35 -0500
> > > From: George Mercer 
> > > To: "Caller's discussion list" 
> > > Subject: [Callers] Height diffferential
> > > Message-ID:
> > >   

Re: [Callers] Subject: Height diffferential

[Lindsay Morris]

With small children, a two-hand turn in place of a swing is usually a good
idea.  And I've sometimes used a two-hand turn to show a grown-up partner
what a buzz-step swing ought to feel like.


Lindsay Morris
CEO, TSMworks
Tel. 1-859-539-9900
lind...@tsmworks.com


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM, John W Gintell  wrote:

> I've noticed some tall dancers bend their knees and stoop a bit to make
> them closer to the height of the person they are swinging with. A very nice
> gesture.
>
> > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:23:35 -0500
> > From: George Mercer 
> > To: "Caller's discussion list" 
> > Subject: [Callers] Height diffferential
> > Message-ID:
> >   

Re: [Callers] Subject: Height diffferential

[John W Gintell]

I've noticed some tall dancers bend their knees and stoop a bit to make them 
closer to the height of the person they are swinging with. A very nice gesture.

> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:23:35 -0500
> From: George Mercer 
> To: "Caller's discussion list" 
> Subject: [Callers] Height diffferential
> Message-ID:
>   

Re: [Callers] Hand Manners (was: Dances with three or more allemandes)

[Lindsay Morris]

Great point.
Hard to naysay vigor and enthusiasm in dancing, yet I get hurt that way too
sometimes.  Guess all a caller can do is encourage respect and attention.


Lindsay Morris
CEO, TSMworks
Tel. 1-859-539-9900
lind...@tsmworks.com


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Linda Leslie wrote:

> Dear George,
> I am so glad that you brought up this issue. I have noticed it, too, and
> also see that the whacking has become a prelude to a balance (yikes!) for
> some dancers. It will be interesting to hear from callers how we might
> approach this challenge. For me, although I have no particular arm or
> shoulder problems, I simply don't like the gesture. Usually I do say
> something like "a gentle connection works better for me", or a related
> sharing. But I have also used the "ouch!" with success.
>
> I wonder if it comes from "high five"??
> Linda
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2014, at 9:12 AM, George Mercer wrote:
>
>  I guess this is tangential to the hands/allemande discussion, but it has
>> been a source of personal pain for me for some time.  Over the past decade
>> or so more and more people, many of them pretty good long-time dancers
>> (both men and women), have approached me for an allemande with a
>> percussive
>> force akin to a punch or slap.  Wham!  I have a variety of hand/arm issues
>> and the percussive impact of the initial allemande contact sends a jolt
>> all
>> the way up to the shoulder.  I have been forced to hold my hand/arm back
>> until the last second (when the force has dissipated) or even set it up so
>> the other dancer whiffs past my hand altogether.  When did whacking
>> someone's hand for an allemande become acceptable or appropriate?  This
>> may
>> not be a problem for others, but for me it has the same result as the
>> death
>> grip, bent wrist, thumb wrench, and other allemande problems -- pain.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Lindsay Morris > >wrote:
>>
>>  Don's photo illustrates the "OSHA-approved" grip I mentioned.  It's not
>>> the
>>> intuitive thing to do, so callers would do well (IMHO) to promote it.
>>>
>>> Jonathan, the "thumbs-up" position is different, and puts one at risk of
>>> injury or just awkwardness (like, when a new dancer grabs my thumb with
>>> their whole hand- ick).
>>>
>>> "Hand manners" in general would be a good topic - and how callers can
>>> promote good ones.
>>>
>>> 
>>> Lindsay Morris
>>> CEO, TSMworks
>>> Tel. 1-859-539-9900
>>> lind...@tsmworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Don Veino >>
 wrote:

>>>
>>>  [Lots of other posts trimmed...]

 Similar to a previous comment, and knowing one size does not fit all, I

>>> try
>>>
 to preface any "style points" with a fellow dancer with "it would help
 me
 if..." and then describe or show my desired interaction behavior. Puts

>>> the
>>>
 issue totally on me and makes it sound like I'm asking a favor of them
 to
 adjust to my needs, not correcting them -- if it leads to further good

>>> form
>>>
 from them generally thereafter, so much the better. I've not had a

>>> negative
>>>
 reaction to this since I started doing it.

 BTW, for allemandes I use a connection that I picked up somewhere in my
 contra travels (which sounds a lot like some of he best practices

>>> described
>>>
 to this point). I find this to be fairly common where I dance. As a

>>> picture
>>>
 is worth a thousand words, here it is (note I'm torqued slightly in
 these
 due to holding the camera with the other hand for the photo -- the
 normal
 connection is neutral and unstressed but results in good weight):


  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3My2DFMxZpOb3g1MVJWSS1lOGc/
>>> edit?usp=sharing
>>>

 -Don
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Re: [Callers] Hand Manners (was: Dances with three or more allemandes)

[Linda Leslie]

Dear George,
I am so glad that you brought up this issue. I have noticed it, too,  
and also see that the whacking has become a prelude to a balance  
(yikes!) for some dancers. It will be interesting to hear from callers  
how we might approach this challenge. For me, although I have no  
particular arm or shoulder problems, I simply don't like the gesture.  
Usually I do say something like "a gentle connection works better for  
me", or a related sharing. But I have also used the "ouch!" with  
success.


I wonder if it comes from "high five"??
Linda

On Feb 18, 2014, at 9:12 AM, George Mercer wrote:

I guess this is tangential to the hands/allemande discussion, but it  
has
been a source of personal pain for me for some time.  Over the past  
decade

or so more and more people, many of them pretty good long-time dancers
(both men and women), have approached me for an allemande with a  
percussive
force akin to a punch or slap.  Wham!  I have a variety of hand/arm  
issues
and the percussive impact of the initial allemande contact sends a  
jolt all
the way up to the shoulder.  I have been forced to hold my hand/arm  
back
until the last second (when the force has dissipated) or even set it  
up so

the other dancer whiffs past my hand altogether.  When did whacking
someone's hand for an allemande become acceptable or appropriate?   
This may
not be a problem for others, but for me it has the same result as  
the death

grip, bent wrist, thumb wrench, and other allemande problems -- pain.
Thanks.


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Lindsay Morris  
wrote:


Don's photo illustrates the "OSHA-approved" grip I mentioned.  It's  
not the

intuitive thing to do, so callers would do well (IMHO) to promote it.

Jonathan, the "thumbs-up" position is different, and puts one at  
risk of
injury or just awkwardness (like, when a new dancer grabs my thumb  
with

their whole hand- ick).

"Hand manners" in general would be a good topic - and how callers can
promote good ones.


Lindsay Morris
CEO, TSMworks
Tel. 1-859-539-9900
lind...@tsmworks.com


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Don Veino 

Re: [Callers] Hand Manners (was: Dances with three or more allemandes)

[Maia McCormick]

George, that's an interesting point, and I'm glad you mentioned it, because
it's definitely one that hadn't really entered my consciousness. I've
definitely experienced a forceful allemande approach as, while not *the* norm,
definitely a viable means of entering an allemande. The force level I'm
referring to is roughly equivalent to a high five--I don't know if that's
the sort of thing that would cause you pain, or if you're talking about
even harder allemandes. It seems to me to be a way of adding energy to the
dance, and even more specifically, a rhythmic accent (both in terms of the
physical contact and the noise it produces)--akin to a foot stop or the
claps on a petronella.

All that said, I'm glad you pointed out that it's not for everyone. I'll
definitely be more mindful in the future. I haven't really had the
experience of going in for a forceful allemande approach and meeting
someone who's not reciprocating--there's something about the wind-up that
provides a clue, I think--but I'll certainly keep an eye out. Yay for not
hurting people!

Maia


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:12 AM, George Mercer  wrote:

> I guess this is tangential to the hands/allemande discussion, but it has
> been a source of personal pain for me for some time.  Over the past decade
> or so more and more people, many of them pretty good long-time dancers
> (both men and women), have approached me for an allemande with a percussive
> force akin to a punch or slap.  Wham!  I have a variety of hand/arm issues
> and the percussive impact of the initial allemande contact sends a jolt all
> the way up to the shoulder.  I have been forced to hold my hand/arm back
> until the last second (when the force has dissipated) or even set it up so
> the other dancer whiffs past my hand altogether.  When did whacking
> someone's hand for an allemande become acceptable or appropriate?  This may
> not be a problem for others, but for me it has the same result as the death
> grip, bent wrist, thumb wrench, and other allemande problems -- pain.
>  Thanks.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Lindsay Morris  >wrote:
>
> > Don's photo illustrates the "OSHA-approved" grip I mentioned.  It's not
> the
> > intuitive thing to do, so callers would do well (IMHO) to promote it.
> >
> > Jonathan, the "thumbs-up" position is different, and puts one at risk of
> > injury or just awkwardness (like, when a new dancer grabs my thumb with
> > their whole hand- ick).
> >
> > "Hand manners" in general would be a good topic - and how callers can
> > promote good ones.
> >
> > 
> > Lindsay Morris
> > CEO, TSMworks
> > Tel. 1-859-539-9900
> > lind...@tsmworks.com
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Don Veino  > >wrote:
> >
> > > [Lots of other posts trimmed...]
> > >
> > > Similar to a previous comment, and knowing one size does not fit all, I
> > try
> > > to preface any "style points" with a fellow dancer with "it would help
> me
> > > if..." and then describe or show my desired interaction behavior. Puts
> > the
> > > issue totally on me and makes it sound like I'm asking a favor of them
> to
> > > adjust to my needs, not correcting them -- if it leads to further good
> > form
> > > from them generally thereafter, so much the better. I've not had a
> > negative
> > > reaction to this since I started doing it.
> > >
> > > BTW, for allemandes I use a connection that I picked up somewhere in my
> > > contra travels (which sounds a lot like some of he best practices
> > described
> > > to this point). I find this to be fairly common where I dance. As a
> > picture
> > > is worth a thousand words, here it is (note I'm torqued slightly in
> these
> > > due to holding the camera with the other hand for the photo -- the
> normal
> > > connection is neutral and unstressed but results in good weight):
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3My2DFMxZpOb3g1MVJWSS1lOGc/edit?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > -Don
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[Callers] Height diffferential

[George Mercer]

A number of years ago I danced a number of times with a woman who was much
shorter than me.  I am about 5'6" or so on a good day.  She was probably
4'8" give or take an inch. When we'd go into a swing, as my arm went around
her to her back, she'd lock her left arm down so that I could hardly get my
right hand past her side.  At first I thought it was bad form on her part,
but let it be.  Then as I watched her dance with others, I realized that
when her co-swinger managed to get his arm around her to the "normal" place
it had the result of lifting her left side up to what appeared to me to be
a discomfort level.  The taller the man, the further her left side was
forced to go.  I had to learn a new approach to entering a swing, even to
lean toward bad form when the height of the other dancer led me to an
adjusted approach.  I'm not suggesting we should teach this, but thinking
about how your technique (good or bad) can cause another discomfort is
worth thinking about.  Over the year I've danced enough with men that I've
also experienced discomfort with this height differential.  Just thinking
out loud.  Thanks.

Re: [Callers] Hand Manners (was: Dances with three or more allemandes)

[George Mercer]

I guess this is tangential to the hands/allemande discussion, but it has
been a source of personal pain for me for some time.  Over the past decade
or so more and more people, many of them pretty good long-time dancers
(both men and women), have approached me for an allemande with a percussive
force akin to a punch or slap.  Wham!  I have a variety of hand/arm issues
and the percussive impact of the initial allemande contact sends a jolt all
the way up to the shoulder.  I have been forced to hold my hand/arm back
until the last second (when the force has dissipated) or even set it up so
the other dancer whiffs past my hand altogether.  When did whacking
someone's hand for an allemande become acceptable or appropriate?  This may
not be a problem for others, but for me it has the same result as the death
grip, bent wrist, thumb wrench, and other allemande problems -- pain.
 Thanks.


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Lindsay Morris wrote:

> Don's photo illustrates the "OSHA-approved" grip I mentioned.  It's not the
> intuitive thing to do, so callers would do well (IMHO) to promote it.
>
> Jonathan, the "thumbs-up" position is different, and puts one at risk of
> injury or just awkwardness (like, when a new dancer grabs my thumb with
> their whole hand- ick).
>
> "Hand manners" in general would be a good topic - and how callers can
> promote good ones.
>
> 
> Lindsay Morris
> CEO, TSMworks
> Tel. 1-859-539-9900
> lind...@tsmworks.com
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Don Veino  >wrote:
>
> > [Lots of other posts trimmed...]
> >
> > Similar to a previous comment, and knowing one size does not fit all, I
> try
> > to preface any "style points" with a fellow dancer with "it would help me
> > if..." and then describe or show my desired interaction behavior. Puts
> the
> > issue totally on me and makes it sound like I'm asking a favor of them to
> > adjust to my needs, not correcting them -- if it leads to further good
> form
> > from them generally thereafter, so much the better. I've not had a
> negative
> > reaction to this since I started doing it.
> >
> > BTW, for allemandes I use a connection that I picked up somewhere in my
> > contra travels (which sounds a lot like some of he best practices
> described
> > to this point). I find this to be fairly common where I dance. As a
> picture
> > is worth a thousand words, here it is (note I'm torqued slightly in these
> > due to holding the camera with the other hand for the photo -- the normal
> > connection is neutral and unstressed but results in good weight):
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3My2DFMxZpOb3g1MVJWSS1lOGc/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > -Don
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Re: [Callers] Hand Manners (was: Dances with three or more allemandes)

[Lindsay Morris]

Don's photo illustrates the "OSHA-approved" grip I mentioned.  It's not the
intuitive thing to do, so callers would do well (IMHO) to promote it.

Jonathan, the "thumbs-up" position is different, and puts one at risk of
injury or just awkwardness (like, when a new dancer grabs my thumb with
their whole hand- ick).

"Hand manners" in general would be a good topic - and how callers can
promote good ones.


Lindsay Morris
CEO, TSMworks
Tel. 1-859-539-9900
lind...@tsmworks.com


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Don Veino wrote:

> [Lots of other posts trimmed...]
>
> Similar to a previous comment, and knowing one size does not fit all, I try
> to preface any "style points" with a fellow dancer with "it would help me
> if..." and then describe or show my desired interaction behavior. Puts the
> issue totally on me and makes it sound like I'm asking a favor of them to
> adjust to my needs, not correcting them -- if it leads to further good form
> from them generally thereafter, so much the better. I've not had a negative
> reaction to this since I started doing it.
>
> BTW, for allemandes I use a connection that I picked up somewhere in my
> contra travels (which sounds a lot like some of he best practices described
> to this point). I find this to be fairly common where I dance. As a picture
> is worth a thousand words, here it is (note I'm torqued slightly in these
> due to holding the camera with the other hand for the photo -- the normal
> connection is neutral and unstressed but results in good weight):
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3My2DFMxZpOb3g1MVJWSS1lOGc/edit?usp=sharing
>
> -Don
> ___
> Callers mailing list
> call...@sharedweight.net
> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers
>