[Callers] The Wheel

[Kalia Kliban via Callers]

I can no longer find the original post about The Wheel circle mixer, but 
I'd like to thank the person who recommended it.  I used it, with Mac 
MacKeever's modification of rolling the women to the inside before going 
into the middle, at a contra last night with a large percentage of 
energetic teenagers.  It was excellent!  Just the right amount of silly 
as the odd socks scrambled to find each other in the middle, and plenty 
of time for them to get back into the promenade.  It's playful, pretty 
hard to break, and very quick to teach.  It's a keeper!


Kalia
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[rich sbardella]

Rickey,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EorKh8Sy9E

The link above has a R Thru followed by a Flutterwheel, then sweep 1/4.  
Starts after the opening break.  This sequence would/could cause progression in 
contra lines.

Rich
 


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Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Callers] Flutter Wheel
  

video somewhere?
Rickey Holt

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I am curious, why isn't the Flutter Wheel being used in contras today.  It
basically accomplishes what a men's chain does but generally has good flow. 
I believe that Roget Whynot wrote several contras with a flutterwheel many
years ago.

Basically flutterwheel is an 8 beat call where the right hand dancer, most
often the lady, go into the center and turn by the right.  When they move
adjacent to the original opposite dancer they take that dancer and continue
together to the RH dancers original side and turn in to face the center.

Rich
Stafford CT



From: Bill Olson <callb...@hotmail.com>
To: Caller's discussion list <call...@sharedweight.net> 
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Flow & Glide Contras
  

In "sort of' a similar vein.. here's one I wrote that I think flows really
well.. (well once you get over the discomfort or unfamiliarity of a gent's
chain...) Here's the dance and the notes from the original posting on my web
page. PB, A duple improper contra by Bill Olson 
  A1 M allem R x 1.5 (8), Sw Partner (8) A2 Cir L 3/4, Sw N (16) 
B1 1/2 MEN'S chain (8), Star R (hands across) (8) 
B2 1/2 W chain (8), Star L (hands across) (8) (M look for new gent in next
star for R allem) 

This dance was written Aug 11, 1999, on the way to a gig at the Rock Gardens
Inn in Phippsburg, ME. It originally started with a Men's HALF right
allemand. I figured the dancers would get more partner swing that way. In
real life however it seemed confusing and the allemand once and a half goes
pretty quickly anyway so there is plenty of swing. The B1 B2 figures are the
"reason" for the dance. I like how a chain flows into a star so I figured
mirror image chains and stars would flow doubly well. Since most dancers are
used to coming out of a chain into a cloverleaf star, it takes a little
while for them to adjust to the hands across but it flows really nicely
after they do. For my band PB (now T-Acadie)! 

Here's a video that gives you some idea of the flow.. Ignore the part where
the dancers are confused and doing it improperly - hah hah..
http://youtu.be/8utAPj7Gu_g

bill




                      
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Robert Livingston]

The flutterwheel..sweep a quarter - pass thru, is the heart of Roger Whynot's 
S.W. Contra.  (SW for South Windsor, CT)  Not a partner swing to be found.

Bob Livingston 





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To: call...@sharedweight.net 
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel
 

Bob Dalsemer wrote a contra with flutterwheel:

Jolly Roger

*A1* N balance & sw

*A2* Promenade ccw in the big oval & back

*B1* Flutterwheel & sweep 1/4, pass thru, star thru

*B2* Cir L; L/H star [or 1s swing]
It doesn't have a partner swing. I added the optional 1s swing. Or could
alternate between 1s and 2s.

On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Chris Page
chriscpage-at-gmail.com|sharedweight-garyes|
<tbjm34y...@sneakemail.com> wrote:

> People have been trying adding flutterwheel for decades, but it's never
> stuck. I've only danced it at MWSD contra events.
>
> Some people who've written flutterwheel contras:
> Cary Ravitz (Butterflies)
> Seth Tepfer (Swingin' on a Star, Split Tree Flutterwheel)
> Ken Bonner (several)
> Tom Hinds (Ova's Dance, Mixing Bowl, Double Take)
>
> along with a number of lesser known choreographers.
>
> Flutterwheel isn't quite the same as gent's chain, as the initial momentum
> need is different. And it's not a strongly connected figure.
>
> So maybe it's just that it's not really needed, and it's not that exciting
> a figure. Or it could be because it comes from MWSD.
>
> It also may appear more in British contras, where there's more
> cross-pollination of moves.
>
> -Chris Page
> San Diego
>
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Gary Shapiro]

Bob Dalsemer wrote a contra with flutterwheel:

Jolly Roger

*A1* N balance & sw

*A2* Promenade ccw in the big oval & back

*B1* Flutterwheel & sweep 1/4, pass thru, star thru

*B2* Cir L; L/H star [or 1s swing]
It doesn't have a partner swing. I added the optional 1s swing. Or could
alternate between 1s and 2s.

On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Chris Page
chriscpage-at-gmail.com|sharedweight-garyes|
 wrote:

> People have been trying adding flutterwheel for decades, but it's never
> stuck. I've only danced it at MWSD contra events.
>
> Some people who've written flutterwheel contras:
> Cary Ravitz (Butterflies)
> Seth Tepfer (Swingin' on a Star, Split Tree Flutterwheel)
> Ken Bonner (several)
> Tom Hinds (Ova's Dance, Mixing Bowl, Double Take)
>
> along with a number of lesser known choreographers.
>
> Flutterwheel isn't quite the same as gent's chain, as the initial momentum
> need is different. And it's not a strongly connected figure.
>
> So maybe it's just that it's not really needed, and it's not that exciting
> a figure. Or it could be because it comes from MWSD.
>
> It also may appear more in British contras, where there's more
> cross-pollination of moves.
>
> -Chris Page
> San Diego
>
>

Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Aahz Maruch]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2014, Bill Olson wrote:
> chriscp...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Flutterwheel isn't quite the same as gent's chain, as the initial
>> momentum need is different. And it's not a strongly connected figure.

The momentum difference is precisely why flutter is used frequently in
square dancing.  Consider ladies chain followed by flutterwheel: that's
the choreographic equivalent of R thru, but 16 beats instead of eight
and feels less awkward coming out of a swing because the man doesn't need
to free his right hand.

> The flutterwheel ends the same as a men's chain, but starts more
> like a ladies chain, so yeah, the rotation at the beginning is
> reversed.. Seems like it could be useful in some choregraphic (is that
> a word) instances.. Less connected for sure..

Could you both explain what you mean by "less connected"?  Chain and
flutter seem about equally connected in that both are started by one
gender and finished by the couple working together.

> Not like the Men's chain has reached the pinnacle of popularity
> EITHER, (obviously, or we wouldn't be having this conversation of what
> to replace it with!)..

Quite frankly, I'm not at this point particularly fond of men chain
because I've done it precisely once (a couple of weekends ago, to be
exact) and a quarter-century of both contra and square dancing have done
nothing to prepare me for a reverse courtesy turn.  ;-)

Way easier to do ladies chain as a gender-swapped dancer...
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Bill Olson]

The flutterwheel ends the same as a men's chain, but starts more like a ladies 
chain, so yeah, the rotation at the beginning is reversed.. Seems like it could 
be useful in some choregraphic (is that a word) instances.. Less connected for 
sure..
 
Not like the Men's chain has reached the pinnacle of popularity EITHER, 
(obviously, or we wouldn't be having this conversation of what to replace it 
with!)..
 
BILL



 
> From: chriscp...@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 13:28:07 -0800
> To: richsbarde...@snet.net; call...@sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel
> 
> People have been trying adding flutterwheel for decades, but it's never
> stuck. I've only danced it at MWSD contra events.
> 
> Some people who've written flutterwheel contras:
> Cary Ravitz (Butterflies)
> Seth Tepfer (Swingin' on a Star, Split Tree Flutterwheel)
> Ken Bonner (several)
> Tom Hinds (Ova's Dance, Mixing Bowl, Double Take)
> 
> along with a number of lesser known choreographers.
> 
> Flutterwheel isn't quite the same as gent's chain, as the initial momentum
> need is different. And it's not a strongly connected figure.
> 
> So maybe it's just that it's not really needed, and it's not that exciting
> a figure. Or it could be because it comes from MWSD.
> 
> It also may appear more in British contras, where there's more
> cross-pollination of moves.
> 
> -Chris Page
> San Diego
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 9:28 AM, rich sbardella <richsbarde...@snet.net>wrote:
> 
> > I am curious, why isn't the Flutter Wheel being used in contras today.  It
> > basically accomplishes what a men's chain does but generally has good
> > flow.  I believe that Roget Whynot wrote several contras with a
> > flutterwheel many years ago.
> >
> > Basically flutterwheel is an 8 beat call where the right hand dancer, most
> > often the lady, go into the center and turn by the right.  When they move
> > adjacent to the original opposite dancer they take that dancer and continue
> > together to the RH dancers original side and turn in to face the center.
> >
> > Rich
> > Stafford CT
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: Bill Olson <callb...@hotmail.com>
> > To: Caller's discussion list <call...@sharedweight.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Flow & Glide Contras
> >
> >
> > In "sort of' a similar vein.. here's one I wrote that I think flows really
> > well.. (well once you get over the discomfort or unfamiliarity of a gent's
> > chain...) Here's the dance and the notes from the original posting on my
> > web page. PB, A duple improper contra by Bill Olson
> >   A1 M allem R x 1.5 (8), Sw Partner (8) A2 Cir L 3/4, Sw N (16)
> > B1 1/2 MEN'S chain (8), Star R (hands across) (8)
> > B2 1/2 W chain (8), Star L (hands across) (8) (M look for new gent in next
> > star for R allem)
> >
> > This dance was written Aug 11, 1999, on the way to a gig at the Rock
> > Gardens Inn in Phippsburg, ME. It originally started with a Men's HALF
> > right allemand. I figured the dancers would get more partner swing that
> > way. In real life however it seemed confusing and the allemand once and a
> > half goes pretty quickly anyway so there is plenty of swing. The B1 B2
> > figures are the "reason" for the dance. I like how a chain flows into a
> > star so I figured mirror image chains and stars would flow doubly well.
> > Since most dancers are used to coming out of a chain into a cloverleaf
> > star, it takes a little while for them to adjust to the hands across but it
> > flows really nicely after they do. For my band PB (now T-Acadie)!
> >
> > Here's a video that gives you some idea of the flow.. Ignore the part
> > where the dancers are confused and doing it improperly - hah hah..
> > http://youtu.be/8utAPj7Gu_g
> >
> > bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Chris Page]

People have been trying adding flutterwheel for decades, but it's never
stuck. I've only danced it at MWSD contra events.

Some people who've written flutterwheel contras:
Cary Ravitz (Butterflies)
Seth Tepfer (Swingin' on a Star, Split Tree Flutterwheel)
Ken Bonner (several)
Tom Hinds (Ova's Dance, Mixing Bowl, Double Take)

along with a number of lesser known choreographers.

Flutterwheel isn't quite the same as gent's chain, as the initial momentum
need is different. And it's not a strongly connected figure.

So maybe it's just that it's not really needed, and it's not that exciting
a figure. Or it could be because it comes from MWSD.

It also may appear more in British contras, where there's more
cross-pollination of moves.

-Chris Page
San Diego


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 9:28 AM, rich sbardella wrote:

> I am curious, why isn't the Flutter Wheel being used in contras today.  It
> basically accomplishes what a men's chain does but generally has good
> flow.  I believe that Roget Whynot wrote several contras with a
> flutterwheel many years ago.
>
> Basically flutterwheel is an 8 beat call where the right hand dancer, most
> often the lady, go into the center and turn by the right.  When they move
> adjacent to the original opposite dancer they take that dancer and continue
> together to the RH dancers original side and turn in to face the center.
>
> Rich
> Stafford CT
>
>
> 
>  From: Bill Olson 
> To: Caller's discussion list 
> Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Flow & Glide Contras
>
>
> In "sort of' a similar vein.. here's one I wrote that I think flows really
> well.. (well once you get over the discomfort or unfamiliarity of a gent's
> chain...) Here's the dance and the notes from the original posting on my
> web page. PB, A duple improper contra by Bill Olson
>   A1 M allem R x 1.5 (8), Sw Partner (8) A2 Cir L 3/4, Sw N (16)
> B1 1/2 MEN'S chain (8), Star R (hands across) (8)
> B2 1/2 W chain (8), Star L (hands across) (8) (M look for new gent in next
> star for R allem)
>
> This dance was written Aug 11, 1999, on the way to a gig at the Rock
> Gardens Inn in Phippsburg, ME. It originally started with a Men's HALF
> right allemand. I figured the dancers would get more partner swing that
> way. In real life however it seemed confusing and the allemand once and a
> half goes pretty quickly anyway so there is plenty of swing. The B1 B2
> figures are the "reason" for the dance. I like how a chain flows into a
> star so I figured mirror image chains and stars would flow doubly well.
> Since most dancers are used to coming out of a chain into a cloverleaf
> star, it takes a little while for them to adjust to the hands across but it
> flows really nicely after they do. For my band PB (now T-Acadie)!
>
> Here's a video that gives you some idea of the flow.. Ignore the part
> where the dancers are confused and doing it improperly - hah hah..
> http://youtu.be/8utAPj7Gu_g
>
> bill
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Aahz Maruch]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2014, Bill Olson wrote:
>
> I don't actually think of coming out of a swing with Women doing
> something with their RIGHT hand as being very good flow, certainly
> not as much as Men doing something with their left hand as in a Men's
> chain..
>
> but hey I guess that gets us back into the definition of "flow"

You wouldn't call flutterwheel after a swing, of course.  ;-)  It works
anywhere you'd call ladies chain (think of flutterwheel as ladies chain,
except ending in half star promenade instead of courtesy turn); you could
call reverse flutterwheel after swing, though (you can call reverse
flutter anytime you'd call men left allemande).
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Bill Olson]

OK, thanks very much for that! Interesting.. 
 
I don't actually think of  coming out of a swing with Women doing something 
with their RIGHT hand as being very good flow, certainly not as much as Men 
doing something with their left hand as in a Men's chain..
 
but hey I guess that gets us back into the definition of "flow"
 
bill
 




 
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 11:21:12 -0800
> From: a...@pobox.com
> To: call...@sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel
> 
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2014, Bill Olson wrote:
> >
> > OK, so walk me through this,... assuming we start with couples coming
> > out of a swing with gents on left and ladies on right, ending up with
> > men on opposite side, still to left of women..
> 
> http://www.greg-malinowski.com/sdcaller/basic.html#Flutterwheel
> 
> Assuming you have normal facing couples, women go in to center with right
> arm turn (square dance styling is forearm grip), pick up the opposite man
> with free left hand (square dance styling is hand grip -- "pushing" the
> man ahead of her), and continue back home ending up with normal facing
> couples (releasing the opposite woman's arm at roughly the 3/4 point).
> 
> IOW, the woman goes around one full turn, the man goes halfway.
> 
> Animation:
> 
> http://www.tamtwirlers.org/tamination/b2/flutterwheel.html
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Aahz Maruch]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2014, Bill Olson wrote:
>
> OK, so walk me through this,... assuming we start with couples coming
> out of a swing with gents on left and ladies on right, ending up with
> men on opposite side, still to left of women..

http://www.greg-malinowski.com/sdcaller/basic.html#Flutterwheel

Assuming you have normal facing couples, women go in to center with right
arm turn (square dance styling is forearm grip), pick up the opposite man
with free left hand (square dance styling is hand grip -- "pushing" the
man ahead of her), and continue back home ending up with normal facing
couples (releasing the opposite woman's arm at roughly the 3/4 point).

IOW, the woman goes around one full turn, the man goes halfway.

Animation:

http://www.tamtwirlers.org/tamination/b2/flutterwheel.html
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Bill Olson]

OK, so walk me through this,... assuming we start with couples coming out of a 
swing with gents on left and ladies on right, ending up with men on opposite 
side, still to left of women..
 
bill



 
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 10:28:22 -0800
> From: a...@pobox.com
> To: call...@sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel
> 
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2014, Bill Olson wrote:
> > Rich Sbardella
> >>
> >> I am curious, why isn't the Flutter Wheel being used in contras
> >> today.  It basically accomplishes what a men's chain does but
> >> generally has good flow.  I believe that Roget Whynot wrote several
> >> contras with a flutterwheel many years ago.
> >
> > I don't see how this substitutes for a gent's chain..
> 
> In a flutterwheel, the woman ends up on the same side but the men switch
> sides -- it's functionally equivalent to men allemande 1.5 for position
> but ends with couples facing the same way they started.  In flow, it's
> kinda like a star promenade without the ending whirlaround.  Often
> followed by Sweep a Quarter if you want the couples to change facing.
> 
> Flutterwheel (and reverse flutter with the men in the center) are very
> common moves in square dancing (part of the Basic program), but I've
> never seen them in my more-than-quarter-century of contra.  Dunno why; as
> Rich says, it's a nicely flowing move.
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Aahz Maruch]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2014, Bill Olson wrote:
> Rich Sbardella
>>
>> I am curious, why isn't the Flutter Wheel being used in contras
>> today.  It basically accomplishes what a men's chain does but
>> generally has good flow.  I believe that Roget Whynot wrote several
>> contras with a flutterwheel many years ago.
>
> I don't see how this substitutes for a gent's chain..

In a flutterwheel, the woman ends up on the same side but the men switch
sides -- it's functionally equivalent to men allemande 1.5 for position
but ends with couples facing the same way they started.  In flow, it's
kinda like a star promenade without the ending whirlaround.  Often
followed by Sweep a Quarter if you want the couples to change facing.

Flutterwheel (and reverse flutter with the men in the center) are very
common moves in square dancing (part of the Basic program), but I've
never seen them in my more-than-quarter-century of contra.  Dunno why; as
Rich says, it's a nicely flowing move.
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Bill Olson]

oops, here's the message:
 
I don't see how this substitutes for a gent's chain.. 
 
b

 
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 09:28:52 -0800
> From: richsbarde...@snet.net
> To: call...@sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel
> 
> I am curious, why isn't the Flutter Wheel being used in contras today.  It 
> basically accomplishes what a men's chain does but generally has good flow.  
> I believe that Roget Whynot wrote several contras with a flutterwheel many 
> years ago.
> 
> Basically flutterwheel is an 8 beat call where the right hand dancer, most 
> often the lady, go into the center and turn by the right.  When they move 
> adjacent to the original opposite dancer they take that dancer and continue 
> together to the RH dancers original side and turn in to face the center.
> 
> Rich
> Stafford CT
>  
> 
> 
>  From: Bill Olson <callb...@hotmail.com>
> To: Caller's discussion list <call...@sharedweight.net> 
> Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Flow & Glide Contras
>   
> 
> In "sort of' a similar vein.. here's one I wrote that I think flows really 
> well.. (well once you get over the discomfort or unfamiliarity of a gent's 
> chain...) Here's the dance and the notes from the original posting on my web 
> page. PB, A duple improper contra by Bill Olson 
>   A1 M allem R x 1.5 (8), Sw Partner (8) A2 Cir L 3/4, Sw N (16) 
> B1 1/2 MEN'S chain (8), Star R (hands across) (8) 
> B2 1/2 W chain (8), Star L (hands across) (8) (M look for new gent in next 
> star for R allem) 
> 
> This dance was written Aug 11, 1999, on the way to a gig at the Rock Gardens 
> Inn in Phippsburg, ME. It originally started with a Men's HALF right 
> allemand. I figured the dancers would get more partner swing that way. In 
> real life however it seemed confusing and the allemand once and a half goes 
> pretty quickly anyway so there is plenty of swing. The B1 B2 figures are the 
> "reason" for the dance. I like how a chain flows into a star so I figured 
> mirror image chains and stars would flow doubly well. Since most dancers are 
> used to coming out of a chain into a cloverleaf star, it takes a little while 
> for them to adjust to the hands across but it flows really nicely after they 
> do. For my band PB (now T-Acadie)! 
> 
> Here's a video that gives you some idea of the flow.. Ignore the part where 
> the dancers are confused and doing it improperly - hah hah.. 
> http://youtu.be/8utAPj7Gu_g
> 
> bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Bill Olson]

 
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 09:28:52 -0800
> From: richsbarde...@snet.net
> To: call...@sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel
> 
> I am curious, why isn't the Flutter Wheel being used in contras today.  It 
> basically accomplishes what a men's chain does but generally has good flow.  
> I believe that Roget Whynot wrote several contras with a flutterwheel many 
> years ago.
> 
> Basically flutterwheel is an 8 beat call where the right hand dancer, most 
> often the lady, go into the center and turn by the right.  When they move 
> adjacent to the original opposite dancer they take that dancer and continue 
> together to the RH dancers original side and turn in to face the center.
> 
> Rich
> Stafford CT
>  
> 
> 
>  From: Bill Olson <callb...@hotmail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Flow & Glide Contras
>   
> 
> In "sort of' a similar vein.. here's one I wrote that I think flows really 
> well.. (well once you get over the discomfort or unfamiliarity of a gent's 
> chain...) Here's the dance and the notes from the original posting on my web 
> page. PB, A duple improper contra by Bill Olson 
>   A1 M allem R x 1.5 (8), Sw Partner (8) A2 Cir L 3/4, Sw N (16) 
> B1 1/2 MEN'S chain (8), Star R (hands across) (8) 
> B2 1/2 W chain (8), Star L (hands across) (8) (M look for new gent in next 
> star for R allem) 
> 
> This dance was written Aug 11, 1999, on the way to a gig at the Rock Gardens 
> Inn in Phippsburg, ME. It originally started with a Men's HALF right 
> allemand. I figured the dancers would get more partner swing that way. In 
> real life however it seemed confusing and the allemand once and a half goes 
> pretty quickly anyway so there is plenty of swing. The B1 B2 figures are the 
> "reason" for the dance. I like how a chain flows into a star so I figured 
> mirror image chains and stars would flow doubly well. Since most dancers are 
> used to coming out of a chain into a cloverleaf star, it takes a little while 
> for them to adjust to the hands across but it flows really nicely after they 
> do. For my band PB (now T-Acadie)! 
> 
> Here's a video that gives you some idea of the flow.. Ignore the part where 
> the dancers are confused and doing it improperly - hah hah.. 
> http://youtu.be/8utAPj7Gu_g
> 
> bill
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[Rickey Holt]

video somewhere?
Rickey Holt

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[mailto:callers-boun...@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of rich sbardella
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 12:29 PM
To: Caller's discussion list
Subject: Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

I am curious, why isn't the Flutter Wheel being used in contras today.  It
basically accomplishes what a men's chain does but generally has good flow. 
I believe that Roget Whynot wrote several contras with a flutterwheel many
years ago.

Basically flutterwheel is an 8 beat call where the right hand dancer, most
often the lady, go into the center and turn by the right.  When they move
adjacent to the original opposite dancer they take that dancer and continue
together to the RH dancers original side and turn in to face the center.

Rich
Stafford CT
 


 From: Bill Olson <callb...@hotmail.com>
To: Caller's discussion list <call...@sharedweight.net> 
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Flow & Glide Contras
  

In "sort of' a similar vein.. here's one I wrote that I think flows really
well.. (well once you get over the discomfort or unfamiliarity of a gent's
chain...) Here's the dance and the notes from the original posting on my web
page. PB, A duple improper contra by Bill Olson 
  A1 M allem R x 1.5 (8), Sw Partner (8) A2 Cir L 3/4, Sw N (16) 
B1 1/2 MEN'S chain (8), Star R (hands across) (8) 
B2 1/2 W chain (8), Star L (hands across) (8) (M look for new gent in next
star for R allem) 

This dance was written Aug 11, 1999, on the way to a gig at the Rock Gardens
Inn in Phippsburg, ME. It originally started with a Men's HALF right
allemand. I figured the dancers would get more partner swing that way. In
real life however it seemed confusing and the allemand once and a half goes
pretty quickly anyway so there is plenty of swing. The B1 B2 figures are the
"reason" for the dance. I like how a chain flows into a star so I figured
mirror image chains and stars would flow doubly well. Since most dancers are
used to coming out of a chain into a cloverleaf star, it takes a little
while for them to adjust to the hands across but it flows really nicely
after they do. For my band PB (now T-Acadie)! 

Here's a video that gives you some idea of the flow.. Ignore the part where
the dancers are confused and doing it improperly - hah hah..
http://youtu.be/8utAPj7Gu_g

bill




                          
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Re: [Callers] Flutter Wheel

[rich sbardella]

I am curious, why isn't the Flutter Wheel being used in contras today.  It 
basically accomplishes what a men's chain does but generally has good flow.  I 
believe that Roget Whynot wrote several contras with a flutterwheel many years 
ago.

Basically flutterwheel is an 8 beat call where the right hand dancer, most 
often the lady, go into the center and turn by the right.  When they move 
adjacent to the original opposite dancer they take that dancer and continue 
together to the RH dancers original side and turn in to face the center.

Rich
Stafford CT
 


 From: Bill Olson 
To: Caller's discussion list  
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Flow & Glide Contras
  

In "sort of' a similar vein.. here's one I wrote that I think flows really 
well.. (well once you get over the discomfort or unfamiliarity of a gent's 
chain...) Here's the dance and the notes from the original posting on my web 
page. PB, A duple improper contra by Bill Olson 
  A1 M allem R x 1.5 (8), Sw Partner (8) A2 Cir L 3/4, Sw N (16) 
B1 1/2 MEN'S chain (8), Star R (hands across) (8) 
B2 1/2 W chain (8), Star L (hands across) (8) (M look for new gent in next star 
for R allem) 

This dance was written Aug 11, 1999, on the way to a gig at the Rock Gardens 
Inn in Phippsburg, ME. It originally started with a Men's HALF right allemand. 
I figured the dancers would get more partner swing that way. In real life 
however it seemed confusing and the allemand once and a half goes pretty 
quickly anyway so there is plenty of swing. The B1 B2 figures are the "reason" 
for the dance. I like how a chain flows into a star so I figured mirror image 
chains and stars would flow doubly well. Since most dancers are used to coming 
out of a chain into a cloverleaf star, it takes a little while for them to 
adjust to the hands across but it flows really nicely after they do. For my 
band PB (now T-Acadie)! 

Here's a video that gives you some idea of the flow.. Ignore the part where the 
dancers are confused and doing it improperly - hah hah.. 
http://youtu.be/8utAPj7Gu_g

bill




                          
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Re: [Callers] The Wheel

[Bill Olson]

Interesting.. Well, all I can do is describe my experience, but every dance 
crowd is different and it's true I mainly call, these days, in Maine and New 
England.  I'm all for trying new things, and I know Gene would certainly have 
encouraged that too.. 
 
And on and on it goes..
 
bill



 
> From: twhi...@earthlink.net
> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:44:52 -0400
> To: call...@sharedweight.net
> Subject: [Callers] The Wheel
> 
> Jim, I really like your idea for the A1 (Prom ccw,wheel, prom cw).   
> Bouncing ideas back and forth is something I really enjoy and I think  
> that the dancers sometimes benefit in the long run.
> 
> Last night I called The Wheel with the cw promenade.  It worked  
> fine.  It wasn't a riot as Bill described so I was a little  
> disappointed.  I don't know why.  It seemed to have the same  
> excitement as the the Atlantic Polka Mixer (see Zesty) which I  
> wouldn't describe as a riot.  I don't think that the change in  
> direction of the promenade was the reason.
> 
> The wrong way promenade wasn't an issue in terms of negative  
> learning.   It was, perhaps a bit new and different for  
> the 'experienced' dancers.  I called a square early in the evening,  
> The Wheel in the middle and a square later in the evening and there  
> weren't any issues with promenading.
> 
> For me this isn't about trusting or not trusting Gene and Bill.  It's  
> all about finding a better mouse trap.   Innovation from both  
> musicians and choreographers has given the dance community an  
> incredible amount of enjoyment.  If Gene were alive today I don't  
> think he'd be insulted by my trying a variation of his dance.  Yes he  
> was a Geneius but he wasn't perfect-not one is.
> 
> Trust the folk process instead.  There's a reason the Paul Jones  
> mixers have men on the outside.
> 
> Tom
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[Callers] The Wheel

[Tom Hinds]

Jim, I really like your idea for the A1 (Prom ccw,wheel, prom cw).   
Bouncing ideas back and forth is something I really enjoy and I think  
that the dancers sometimes benefit in the long run.


Last night I called The Wheel with the cw promenade.  It worked  
fine.  It wasn't a riot as Bill described so I was a little  
disappointed.  I don't know why.  It seemed to have the same  
excitement as the the Atlantic Polka Mixer (see Zesty) which I  
wouldn't describe as a riot.  I don't think that the change in  
direction of the promenade was the reason.


The wrong way promenade wasn't an issue in terms of negative  
learning.   It was, perhaps a bit new and different for  
the 'experienced' dancers.  I called a square early in the evening,  
The Wheel in the middle and a square later in the evening and there  
weren't any issues with promenading.


For me this isn't about trusting or not trusting Gene and Bill.  It's  
all about finding a better mouse trap.   Innovation from both  
musicians and choreographers has given the dance community an  
incredible amount of enjoyment.  If Gene were alive today I don't  
think he'd be insulted by my trying a variation of his dance.  Yes he  
was a Geneius but he wasn't perfect-not one is.


Trust the folk process instead.  There's a reason the Paul Jones  
mixers have men on the outside.


Tom

Re: [Callers] The Wheel

[rich sbardella]

Can someone share "The Wheel" square?
Rich
 


 From: Tom Hinds <twhi...@earthlink.net>
To: call...@sharedweight.net 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:58 AM
Subject: [Callers] The Wheel
  

Bill,

Thanks for sharing The Wheel.  It looks like a great dance.  Tonight I'm 
planning to call The Wheel with one minor change:

A1    Promenade the wrong way (why not?)

This will put the women on the inside.  I'll let everyone know how it works 
out.   Come to think of it, having the men on the outside is how the Paul Jones 
mixer was done at Blob's Park in Maryland (a place to eat sausage and dance 
polkas).  Perhaps your warning (see below) suggests the reason they did that 
mixer the way they did.

I too honor Gene.  I don't think anyone has written as many fantastic dances.

Tom
> 
> 
>  Needs many couple to make it work, especially since women are on the outside 
>of the concentric and have shorter arms on the average. If this becomes a 
>problem 9womens arms being pulled out or arm sockets) tell dances "big steps 
>in, short steps out"..

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Re: [Callers] The Wheel

[Bill Olson]

Jim said:


>.. especially if you think--as I know Tom does and
> Gene did--that squares can have any place at a "contra" dance.
> 
> --Jim

ME TOO!!
b 

Re: [Callers] The Wheel

[James Saxe]

Tom Hinds wrote


Tonight
I'm planning to call The Wheel with one minor change:

A1  Promenade the wrong way (why not?)

This will put the women on the inside.



And Bill Olson replied with possible reasons why not, including:

... dancers don't normally promenade that way so it might be "un- 
natural" at first ...


My inclination would be to trust Bill (and Gene) about the dance
working as written, provided there are enough dancers.  However,
if I *were* going to change it to put the men on the outside, I
think I'd use

A1 Prom ccw, wheel around as couples, prom cw

and ask the band to play a tune that clearly lets dancers know
where the middle of the A1 part is (which would also be good for
the A2 part anyway, especially early in the evening and/or if
many beginners are present).

This may be one of the variations that Bill has already tried and
found to turn out "clunky".  But my guess, admittedly without
having tried it, is that promenading the "wrong way" right off the
bat would feel even more clunky, at least for experienced dancers.
Also, the wrong way promenade, not preceded by a promenade in the
usual direction, could provide at least a little negative training
for new dancers, especially if you think--as I know Tom does and
Gene did--that squares can have any place at a "contra" dance.

--Jim

Re: [Callers] The Wheel

[Bill Olson]

Hi Tom, Long time.. There are 2 why nots I guess, first is dancers don't 
normally promenade that way so it might be "un-natural" at first - of course 
that will smooth out. second is just to honor Gene (maybe i'm old fashioned or 
a little nostalgic that way, I dunno), I guess there's a third - that being 
that with a reasonable sized crowd, it's really not a problem.. but for 20-40 
dancers, I suppose the 'why not' is totally valid.. Let us know.. thanks!
 
Gene was a really nice guy as well as an amazing choreographic mind.. I really 
have missed him!
 
bill



 
> From: twhi...@earthlink.net
> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:58:20 -0400
> To: call...@sharedweight.net
> Subject: [Callers] The Wheel
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Thanks for sharing The Wheel.  It looks like a great dance.  Tonight  
> I'm planning to call The Wheel with one minor change:
> 
> A1Promenade the wrong way (why not?)
> 
> This will put the women on the inside.  I'll let everyone know how it  
> works out.   Come to think of it, having the men on the outside is  
> how the Paul Jones mixer was done at Blob's Park in Maryland (a place  
> to eat sausage and dance polkas).  Perhaps your warning (see below)  
> suggests the reason they did that mixer the way they did.
> 
> I too honor Gene.  I don't think anyone has written as many fantastic  
> dances.
> 
> Tom
> >
> >
> >  Needs many couple to make it work, especially since women are on  
> > the outside of the concentric and have shorter arms on the average.  
> > If this becomes a problem 9womens arms being pulled out or arm  
> > sockets) tell dances "big steps in, short steps out"..
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[Callers] The Wheel

[Tom Hinds]

Bill,

Thanks for sharing The Wheel.  It looks like a great dance.  Tonight  
I'm planning to call The Wheel with one minor change:


A1  Promenade the wrong way (why not?)

This will put the women on the inside.  I'll let everyone know how it  
works out.   Come to think of it, having the men on the outside is  
how the Paul Jones mixer was done at Blob's Park in Maryland (a place  
to eat sausage and dance polkas).  Perhaps your warning (see below)  
suggests the reason they did that mixer the way they did.


I too honor Gene.  I don't think anyone has written as many fantastic  
dances.


Tom



 Needs many couple to make it work, especially since women are on  
the outside of the concentric and have shorter arms on the average.  
If this becomes a problem 9womens arms being pulled out or arm  
sockets) tell dances "big steps in, short steps out"..