Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Keith Wood via Callers]

Here's another contribution to the Dublin Bay collection, hopefully 
fulfilling the criteria below:



   Liffey Outflow

Formation: Becket formation

Music: 32 bar reels

Source: Keith Wood Jan 2017

Notes: Following online discussions about the Dublin Bay movement I 
decided to create a dance that incorporated it.


1-4 Gypsy opposite
5-8 	1st man and 2nd woman (at the bottom of each minor set) 
back-to-back and finish facing down, while the others cross (right 
shoulder) and move to the end of a line of four facing down, men on one 
side, women on the other
9-12 	Dublin Bay: lines of four back up (up the hall) and then come 
forward, turning individually half-way (toward same-sex neighbour) at 
the last moment to face up
13-16 	Lines of four back up (down the hall) and then come forward, 
turning individually to face same-sex neighbour at the last moment
17-22 	3/4 hey for four passing same-sex neighbour right-shoulder to 
start (until meeting your partner the second time)

23-24   Circle left half-way (men together and women together)
25-28   Swing partner
29-32 	Slice left: advance towards the couple on your left diagonal, 
then retire straight back from them (progression); spare couples wheel 
onto the opposite side


Cheers

Keith Wood


I'd love to see more Dublin Bay dances that aren't all glossary moves 
surrounding the down-hall move.


...

So. What else we got? :)

Ron Blechner




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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Richard Fischer via Callers]

A couple of people have kindly got in touch with me to alert me to some 
problems with my early morning creation. I’ll be back in touch if I can revise 
it and try it out with some dancers.

Richard

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 6:31 AM, Richard Fischer via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I don’t write a lot of dances, but I’ve been inspired by all the Dublin 
> Bay dances. In mine I’ve tried to use the figure as I recall dancing it in 
> the English dance of that name. Comments or corrections most welcome!
> 
> Sheepshead BayImproperRichard Fischer
> 
> A1  Balance & swing neighbor. End facing down and form a line of four.
> 
> A2  Up the hall, moving backwards (4), down the hall forwards and all turn 
> halfway to reform the line (4), down the hall, moving backwards (4), up the 
> hall forwards (4)
> 
> B1  Ones gate the twos; twos swing in the center and end facing up towards 
> their neighbors.
> 
> B2  Circle left halfway; ones swing in the center and end facing down to new 
> neighbors.
> 
> Richard

Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure ("Pivot the Line", yay)

[Richard Fischer via Callers]

Well, I don’t write a lot of dances, but I’ve been inspired by all the Dublin 
Bay dances. In mine I’ve tried to use the figure as I recall dancing it in the 
English dance of that name. Comments or corrections most welcome!

Sheepshead BayImproperRichard Fischer

A1  Balance & swing neighbor. End facing down and form a line of four.

A2  Up the hall, moving backwards (4), down the hall forwards and all turn 
halfway to reform the line (4), down the hall, moving backwards (4), up the 
hall forwards (4)

B1  Ones gate the twos; twos swing in the center and end facing up towards 
their neighbors.

B2  Circle left halfway; ones swing in the center and end facing down to new 
neighbors.

Richard

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Roger Hayes via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> "Pivot the Line" is a good dance; I called it at our regular Madison dance 
> tonight, it went well. I enjoyed seeing the dancers figure out how to dance 
> the unfamiliar figures -- nothing was too hard, the beginners got through it 
> fine, and people enjoyed refining the timing for the Dublin Bay figure. I 
> taught it without being very precise on the timing, to give people the joy of 
> discovery.
> 
> It was interesting to me that practically none of the dancers pre-bent the 
> line for the A2. I think the 2's were enjoying the swoop across the set to 
> start the (figure formerly known as a) gypsy; it's more dramatic than the 
> usual oh-you're-here-already start of that figure.
> 
> - Roger H
> 
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:28 PM, QuiAnn2 via Callers 
> mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> 
> wrote:
> I’ve also written a dance with this down the hall figure in it. I like to 
> call it early in the evening since it’s very connected and has “rest” time 
> for each couple. I haven’t run it through the Shared Weight gauntlet to see 
> if anyone else has written it. Please let me know if it’s already out there.
> 
> Pivot the Line
> by Jacqui Grennan, 5/1/2016
> Contra/Improper/Easy
> 
> A1 ---
> Four steps down the hall, turn alone, rejoin hands in lines of 4
> Four more steps down the hall, walking backwards
> Four steps up the hall, turn alone, rejoin hands in lines of 4
> Four more steps up the hall, walking backwards. Bend the line
> A2 ---
> (16) 2’s gypsy RIGHT/swing, face up to same N’s
> B1 ---
> (16) Same N B&Sw
> B2 ---
> (8) 1’s DSD across set
> (8) 1’s P Sw (2’s get ready for DTH, 1’s end the swing facing down between 
> new neighbors).
> 
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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Martha Wild via Callers]

To Ron,
> 
> 
> Personally, I find Dublin Bay in a contra dance an exercise of "why aren't we 
> just going down the hall?" It just feels gimmicky to me. But I enjoy the 
> dance Dublin Bay - so it's not a criticism on the figure, but its use.
> 
I don’t feel this way at all about this figure. I called “Please Don’t Call Me 
Surely” last weekend, after all the sharing of various Dublin Bay figures here 
got me thinking about them, and because of lots of rain resulting in low 
turnout at the start, I jumped in to dance. The transition from forward 
movement to continuing backward as you turn towards your neighbor when done 
smoothly and with brio is a heck of a lot of fun. We had a few beginners but 
they caught on quickly so no one was refusing to move and blocking the rest of 
the lines, and everyone seemed to enjoy it. I don’t think it’s just 
gratuitous,it’s a good move in its own right.

Martha

Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure ("Pivot the Line", yay)

[Roger Hayes via Callers]

"Pivot the Line" is a good dance; I called it at our regular Madison dance
tonight, it went well. I enjoyed seeing the dancers figure out how to dance
the unfamiliar figures -- nothing was too hard, the beginners got through
it fine, and people enjoyed refining the timing for the Dublin Bay figure.
I taught it without being very precise on the timing, to give people the
joy of discovery.

It was interesting to me that practically none of the dancers pre-bent the
line for the A2. I think the 2's were enjoying the swoop across the set to
start the (figure formerly known as a) gypsy; it's more dramatic than the
usual oh-you're-here-already start of that figure.

- Roger H

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:28 PM, QuiAnn2 via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> I’ve also written a dance with this down the hall figure in it. I like to
> call it early in the evening since it’s very connected and has “rest” time
> for each couple. I haven’t run it through the Shared Weight gauntlet to see
> if anyone else has written it. Please let me know if it’s already out there.
>
> *Pivot the Line*
> by Jacqui Grennan, 5/1/2016
> Contra/Improper/Easy
>
> A1 ---
> Four steps down the hall, turn alone, rejoin hands in lines of 4
> Four more steps down the hall, walking backwards
> Four steps up the hall, turn alone, rejoin hands in lines of 4
> Four more steps up the hall, walking backwards. Bend the line
> A2 ---
> (16) 2’s gypsy RIGHT/swing, face up to same N’s
> B1 ---
> (16) Same N B&Sw
> B2 ---
> (8) 1’s DSD across set
> (8) 1’s P Sw (2’s get ready for DTH, 1’s end the swing facing down between
> new neighbors).
>
>
>
>

Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Ron Blechner via Callers]

I'd love to see more Dublin Bay dances that aren't all glossary moves
surrounding the down-hall move.

I like the concept of Erik's dance, but share the courtesy turn concern.

Personally, I find Dublin Bay in a contra dance an exercise of "why aren't
we just going down the hall?" It just feels gimmicky to me. But I enjoy the
dance Dublin Bay - so it's not a criticism on the figure, but its use.

So I like that Erik incorporated it into a means of achieving a new
choreography - the transition to a swing. That to me is cool.

So. What else we got? :)

Ron Blechner

On Jan 22, 2017 4:27 PM, "K Panton via Callers" <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

How does this dance feel in practice, Erik?


I like the notion of incorporating lesser-used figures. I like both the
chain the line - to progress the lady early and setup for a satisfying
reunion later - and the Dublin Bay.

I am troubled by two things here though. First the courtesy turn duration
will vary depending on which side of the set you are on (1/4 or 1+1/4 for
the overachiever on one side, 3/4 for the other couple).

Second is the transition you mentioned to B2.

How to get rid of chain to line of 4?

The Dublin Bay to P b&sw "might" be smoothed by the following: on the
return, after 4 steps forward, do not turn and backup. Instead, do a funky
whatever-we're-calling-a-gypsy just 1/2. I.e. all drop hands. Insides walk
around outside person 1/2 way to face P in next 4-some. Outsides kind mad
robin around the inside person 1/2 way to face P.
Meh.







On 1/19/2017 11:49 PM, Erik Hoffman via Callers wrote:
I find, when dancing the one or two dances I?ve danced that try to steal

the Dublin Bay figure, they have a line backing up bending into a
circle. I found this transition not to my taste. So I took a stab at a
different transition. I think it works, but it?s a bit tricky:


Happy Birthday, Susan
Erik Hoffman
Becket
A1  Wm ?Chain the line? (Wm Al R ?, then to next Wm,  Al L ? to meet
Nb on R diag ?  across from Shadow);

Neighbor Swing
A2  LLF&B;  Wm Chain to Shadow
B1  Dublin Bay DH4inL ends loop back, centers step forward to
B2  Pt B&S

Given to Susan Petrick on her birthday, while on tour with the
OpporTunists in 2010 (I think).
The Dublin Bay DH4inL: Down for 4, turn alone backing up for 4,
up for 4, turn alone, backing up for 4. From the ECD dance Dublin Bay.
Others have used the Dublin Bay  move, but ended it with a ?fold into a

circle. That backing up, then circling has never felt good to me. This
is my attempt to come up with a segue I like.
Note, even though it?s a Becket dance, there is a difference in
roles in this dance between the ?ones? and ?twos?.


~Erik Hoffman
Oakland, CA

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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[K Panton via Callers]

How does this dance feel in practice, Erik?


I like the notion of incorporating lesser-used figures. I like both the
chain the line - to progress the lady early and setup for a satisfying
reunion later - and the Dublin Bay.

I am troubled by two things here though. First the courtesy turn duration
will vary depending on which side of the set you are on (1/4 or 1+1/4 for
the overachiever on one side, 3/4 for the other couple).

Second is the transition you mentioned to B2.

How to get rid of chain to line of 4?

The Dublin Bay to P b&sw "might" be smoothed by the following: on the
return, after 4 steps forward, do not turn and backup. Instead, do a funky
whatever-we're-calling-a-gypsy just 1/2. I.e. all drop hands. Insides walk
around outside person 1/2 way to face P in next 4-some. Outsides kind mad
robin around the inside person 1/2 way to face P.
Meh.







On 1/19/2017 11:49 PM, Erik Hoffman via Callers wrote:
I find, when dancing the one or two dances I?ve danced that try to steal
the Dublin Bay figure, they have a line backing up bending into a
circle. I found this transition not to my taste. So I took a stab at a
different transition. I think it works, but it?s a bit tricky:

Happy Birthday, Susan
Erik Hoffman
Becket
A1  Wm ?Chain the line? (Wm Al R ?, then to next Wm,  Al L ? to meet
Nb on R diag ?  across from Shadow);
Neighbor Swing
A2  LLF&B;  Wm Chain to Shadow
B1  Dublin Bay DH4inL ends loop back, centers step forward to
B2  Pt B&S

Given to Susan Petrick on her birthday, while on tour with the
OpporTunists in 2010 (I think).
The Dublin Bay DH4inL: Down for 4, turn alone backing up for 4,
up for 4, turn alone, backing up for 4. From the ECD dance Dublin Bay.
Others have used the Dublin Bay  move, but ended it with a ?fold into a
circle. That backing up, then circling has never felt good to me. This
is my attempt to come up with a segue I like.
Note, even though it?s a Becket dance, there is a difference in
roles in this dance between the ?ones? and ?twos?.

~Erik Hoffman
Oakland, CA

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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Erik Hoffman via Callers]

Jerome nailed it. The first part of the dance sets up the lines with a shadow, 
not partner. At the end of the Dublin Bay, then people on the ends essentially 
turn single half way, turning away from the lines or, as I put it, “looping 
back,” over their outside shoulder. The people in the center have been behind 
their partner, you know, watching their partner’s every move (at least for the 
last bit of the Dublin Bay…). They centers step forward, and towards the 
outside to meet their loopy, oops, no, I mean looping partners.

Now I’m off to the Oakland Women’s March. No Ravens, or Rubies, or Wems today!

~Erik Hoffman
   Oakland, CA

From: Callers [mailto:callers-boun...@lists.sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of 
Jerome Grisanti via Callers
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:15 PM
To: Kalia Kliban 
Cc: callers 
Subject: Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

Kalia,

In Erik's dance, it appears partners are in adjacent lines of four (whether 
women or men are in front depends on which side of the set you're on, also 
which way the lines are turned. It also appears that the first 12 beats of the 
Dublin Bay figure are as usual, but the last 4 beats are replaced by outsides 
turning down and insides walking up to meet their partners.

--Jerome



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On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers 
mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
I can't figure out the transition from the Dublin Bay figure to the P bal/sw.  
Can you elaborate?

K


On 1/19/2017 11:49 PM, Erik Hoffman via Callers wrote:
I find, when dancing the one or two dances I’ve danced that try to steal
the Dublin Bay figure, they have a line backing up bending into a
circle. I found this transition not to my taste. So I took a stab at a
different transition. I think it works, but it’s a bit tricky:

Happy Birthday, Susan
Erik Hoffman
Becket
A1  Wm “Chain the line” (Wm Al R ¾, then to next Wm,  Al L ¾ to meet
Nb on R diag –  across from Shadow);
Neighbor Swing
A2  LLF&B;  Wm Chain to Shadow
B1  Dublin Bay DH4inL ends loop back, centers step forward to
B2  Pt B&S

Given to Susan Petrick on her birthday, while on tour with the
OpporTunists in 2010 (I think).
The Dublin Bay DH4inL: Down for 4, turn alone backing up for 4,
up for 4, turn alone, backing up for 4. From the ECD dance Dublin Bay.
Others have used the Dublin Bay  move, but ended it with a “fold into a
circle. That backing up, then circling has never felt good to me. This
is my attempt to come up with a segue I like.
Note, even though it’s a Becket dance, there is a difference in
roles in this dance between the “ones” and “twos”.

~Erik Hoffman
Oakland, CA

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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Jerome Grisanti via Callers]

Kalia,

In my mind's eye, lines in B1 are facing the stage at beat 12, outsides
turn to face down, insides walk forward to meet partners in beats 13-16.

That's what I picture. Erik, is that correct?

--Jerome



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On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Kalia Kliban 
wrote:

> On 1/20/2017 1:14 PM, Jerome Grisanti wrote:
>
>> Kalia,
>>
>> In Erik's dance, it appears partners are in adjacent lines of four
>> (whether women or men are in front depends on which side of the set
>> you're on, also which way the lines are turned. It also appears that the
>> first 12 beats of the Dublin Bay figure are as usual, but the last 4
>> beats are replaced by outsides turning down and insides walking up to
>> meet their partners.
>>
>
> So the line of 4 is moving forward, up toward the stage, but before they
> do the Dublin Bay flip to move backward up toward the stage
> the ends cast down?
>
> Kalia
>

Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Jerome Grisanti via Callers]

Kalia,

In Erik's dance, it appears partners are in adjacent lines of four (whether
women or men are in front depends on which side of the set you're on, also
which way the lines are turned. It also appears that the first 12 beats of
the Dublin Bay figure are as usual, but the last 4 beats are replaced by
outsides turning down and insides walking up to meet their partners.

--Jerome



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http://www.jeromegrisanti.com

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and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> I can't figure out the transition from the Dublin Bay figure to the P
> bal/sw.  Can you elaborate?
>
> K
>
>
> On 1/19/2017 11:49 PM, Erik Hoffman via Callers wrote:
>
>> I find, when dancing the one or two dances I’ve danced that try to steal
>> the Dublin Bay figure, they have a line backing up bending into a
>> circle. I found this transition not to my taste. So I took a stab at a
>> different transition. I think it works, but it’s a bit tricky:
>>
>> Happy Birthday, Susan
>> Erik Hoffman
>> Becket
>> A1  Wm “Chain the line” (Wm Al R ¾, then to next Wm,  Al L ¾ to meet
>> Nb on R diag –  across from Shadow);
>> Neighbor Swing
>> A2  LLF&B;  Wm Chain to Shadow
>> B1  Dublin Bay DH4inL ends loop back, centers step forward to
>> B2  Pt B&S
>>
>> Given to Susan Petrick on her birthday, while on tour with the
>> OpporTunists in 2010 (I think).
>> The Dublin Bay DH4inL: Down for 4, turn alone backing up for 4,
>> up for 4, turn alone, backing up for 4. From the ECD dance Dublin Bay.
>> Others have used the Dublin Bay  move, but ended it with a “fold into a
>> circle. That backing up, then circling has never felt good to me. This
>> is my attempt to come up with a segue I like.
>> Note, even though it’s a Becket dance, there is a difference in
>> roles in this dance between the “ones” and “twos”.
>>
>> ~Erik Hoffman
>> Oakland, CA
>>
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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Kalia Kliban via Callers]

I can't figure out the transition from the Dublin Bay figure to the P 
bal/sw.  Can you elaborate?


K

On 1/19/2017 11:49 PM, Erik Hoffman via Callers wrote:

I find, when dancing the one or two dances I’ve danced that try to steal
the Dublin Bay figure, they have a line backing up bending into a
circle. I found this transition not to my taste. So I took a stab at a
different transition. I think it works, but it’s a bit tricky:

Happy Birthday, Susan
Erik Hoffman
Becket
A1  Wm “Chain the line” (Wm Al R ¾, then to next Wm,  Al L ¾ to meet
Nb on R diag –  across from Shadow);
Neighbor Swing
A2  LLF&B;  Wm Chain to Shadow
B1  Dublin Bay DH4inL ends loop back, centers step forward to
B2  Pt B&S

Given to Susan Petrick on her birthday, while on tour with the
OpporTunists in 2010 (I think).
The Dublin Bay DH4inL: Down for 4, turn alone backing up for 4,
up for 4, turn alone, backing up for 4. From the ECD dance Dublin Bay.
Others have used the Dublin Bay  move, but ended it with a “fold into a
circle. That backing up, then circling has never felt good to me. This
is my attempt to come up with a segue I like.
Note, even though it’s a Becket dance, there is a difference in
roles in this dance between the “ones” and “twos”.

~Erik Hoffman
Oakland, CA

Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Erik Hoffman via Callers]

I find, when dancing the one or two dances I've danced that try to steal the 
Dublin Bay figure, they have a line backing up bending into a circle. I found 
this transition not to my taste. So I took a stab at a different transition. I 
think it works, but it's a bit tricky:

Happy Birthday, Susan
Erik Hoffman
Becket
A1  Wm "Chain the line" (Wm Al R ¾, then to next Wm,  Al L ¾ to meet Nb on 
R diag -  across from Shadow);
Neighbor Swing
A2  LLF&B;  Wm Chain to Shadow
B1  Dublin Bay DH4inL ends loop back, centers step forward to
B2  Pt B&S

Given to Susan Petrick on her birthday, while on tour with the OpporTunists in 
2010 (I think).
The Dublin Bay DH4inL: Down for 4, turn alone backing up for 4, up for 
4, turn alone, backing up for 4. From the ECD dance Dublin Bay. Others have 
used the Dublin Bay  move, but ended it with a "fold into a circle. That 
backing up, then circling has never felt good to me. This is my attempt to come 
up with a segue I like.
Note, even though it's a Becket dance, there is a difference in roles 
in this dance between the "ones" and "twos".

~Erik Hoffman
Oakland, CA

Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Gary Shapiro via Callers]

I modified Bob Dalsemer's dance, Dog Branch Reel, so that the transition
into the neighbor swing would be more conventional.

To give it even more English flavor, I tried changing B2 to fall back, turn
single while advancing, 2s swing, but it was a hard sell at the contra
dance.

In my own records I call this version "Dog Branch, Really?".


duple, improper

A1   N do-si-do; 1s swing

A2   Line of 4 down the hall 4 steps turning alone on step 4, continue down
the hall walking backwards; up the hall 4 steps turning alone on step 4,
continue up the hall walking backwards, bend the line

B1   Circle L; N swing

B2   Long lines forward and  back; 2s swing

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Tavi Merrill via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

>
> Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay" (aka
> "We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in contra into a
> modified "lines of four down the hall."
>
> I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids,"
> where dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and
> continue down the hall with four backward steps, then repeat the figure to
> return up the hall.
>
> I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it,
> appears in. Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance
> historians out there know what the first contra to use this figure is?
>
> Tavi
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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[QuiAnn2 via Callers]

I’ve also written a dance with this down the hall figure in it. I like to call 
it early in the evening since it’s very connected and has “rest” time for each 
couple. I haven’t run it through the Shared Weight gauntlet to see if anyone 
else has written it. Please let me know if it’s already out there.

Pivot the Line
by Jacqui Grennan, 5/1/2016
Contra/Improper/Easy

A1 ---
Four steps down the hall, turn alone, rejoin hands in lines of 4
Four more steps down the hall, walking backwards
Four steps up the hall, turn alone, rejoin hands in lines of 4
Four more steps up the hall, walking backwards. Bend the line
A2 ---
(16) 2’s gypsy RIGHT/swing, face up to same N’s
B1 ---
(16) Same N B&Sw
B2 ---
(8) 1’s DSD across set
(8) 1’s P Sw (2’s get ready for DTH, 1’s end the swing facing down between new 
neighbors).



> On Jan 17, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Tavi Merrill via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to Linda, Mac, and Jonathan for their responses. So far for dances 
> featuring "Dublin Bay" variants, i have: 
> 
> contra variants of the figure, in best-guess chronological order: 
> Leaving Home - Al Olson
> Jim's Reel - Steve Schnur 
> Handsome Young Maids - Sue Rosen
> Please Don't Call Me Surely - Lynn Ackerson (Lynn says this is very similar 
> to Olson's dance)
> Crossing the Streams - Nicholas Rockstroh 
> 
> figure exactly as it appears in Dublin Bay:
> Doublin' Back - Erna-Lynne Bogue
> 
> The reason for my question around the move's history is that i've written a 
> new dance featuring it, and was curious who first imported it from ECD to 
> contra. So far i've gotten works-on-paper nods from a couple fellow 
> choreographers, and a previous version of this dance was successfully tested. 
> Might as well put it out there, as i'm pretty sure it hasn't been written 
> before. 
> 
> Here 'tis:
> 
> Belfast Bay (becket R) 
> 
> from improper: circle left three and swing partner to end facing UP the hall: 
> 
> A1. in lines of four, reverse "Dublin Bay" variant: 
> 
> 
>take four steps backwards, turn toward partner to face down, take four 
> steps forward; 
> 
>repeat, returning up the hall, and bend the line to a ring
> 
> A2. Ring balance, ladies draw gents over to 
> 
>N1 neighbor swing
> 
> B1. Long lines forward & back 
> 
>N2 neighbor swing
> 
> B2. Ring balance, ladies draw gents over to 
> 
>Partner swing
> 
> Here, the "Dublin Bay" figure (as it’s more commonly seen in contra, a 
> modified “down the hall”) has been inverted to make the starting formation a 
> line of four facing up - intended for those times a caller wants all dancers 
> facing the stage. The sequence’s overall design was driven by the intention 
> to facilitate band introductions before a break or goodbyes before a final 
> waltz, with dancers beside their partner. As a last dance before the break, 
> the A1 figure can be walked without “bend to a ring,” and voila! Dancers are 
> in lines of four facing up ready for announcements; the rest is simple enough 
> to run no-walk-through. 
> 
> Compact variation! Start instead with dancers facing DOWN the hall and make 
> A1 the original “Dublin Bay” figure: lines of four facing down take four 
> steps backwards (toward the stage), four steps forwards; turn alone to face 
> up, and repeat. Voila! Lines of four facing up. 
> 
> Dancers waiting out at the ends should join in the long lines. 
> 
> In honor of Chrissy Fowler and the Belfast Flying Shoes dance in Belfast, 
> Maine. 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Linda Leslie  > wrote:
> Al Olson used the move in his dance “Leaving Home”. It was published in Give 
> & Take by Larry Jennings in 2004. Larry spent a number of years putting this 
> book together, so the dance was written well before this. I did not find the 
> dance in Zesty Contras, Larry’s fist book, published in 1988; but this might 
> mean that Larry did not have space to include it, rather than it had not been 
> written yet.  If I were of a betting nature…..I would bet that the dance was 
> from the 1980’s, maybe 1990’s. 
> Linda
> 
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Tavi Merrill via Callers 
> mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay" (aka 
>> "We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in contra into a 
>> modified "lines of four down the hall." 
>> 
>> I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids," where 
>> dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and continue down 
>> the hall with four backward steps, then repeat the figure to return up the 
>> hall. 
>> 
>> I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it, appears 
>> in. Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance historians out 
>> there know what the first contra to use this figure is?  
>> 
>> Tavi
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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[April Blum via Callers]

I recall dancing one called Doublin Back. And I have written one called Doublin 
Dublin. 
April Blum On Jan 16, 2017 5:20 PM, Tavi Merrill via Callers 
 wrote:
>
>
> Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay" (aka 
> "We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in contra into a 
> modified "lines of four down the hall." 
>
> I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids," where 
> dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and continue down 
> the hall with four backward steps, then repeat the figure to return up the 
> hall. 
>
> I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it, appears 
> in. Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance historians out 
> there know what the first contra to use this figure is?  
>
> Tavi

Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Tavi Merrill via Callers]

Thanks to Linda, Mac, and Jonathan for their responses. So far for dances
featuring "Dublin Bay" variants, i have:

contra variants of the figure, in best-guess chronological order:
Leaving Home - Al Olson
Jim's Reel - Steve Schnur
Handsome Young Maids - Sue Rosen
Please Don't Call Me Surely - Lynn Ackerson (Lynn says this is very similar
to Olson's dance)
Crossing the Streams - Nicholas Rockstroh

figure exactly as it appears in Dublin Bay:
Doublin' Back - Erna-Lynne Bogue

The reason for my question around the move's history is that i've written a
new dance featuring it, and was curious who first imported it from ECD to
contra. So far i've gotten works-on-paper nods from a couple fellow
choreographers, and a previous version of this dance was successfully
tested. Might as well put it out there, as i'm pretty sure it hasn't been
written before.

Here 'tis:

Belfast Bay (becket R)

from improper: circle left three and swing partner to end facing UP the
hall:

A1. in lines of four, reverse "Dublin Bay" variant:

   take four steps backwards, turn toward partner to face down, take
four steps forward;

   repeat, returning up the hall, and bend the line to a ring

A2. Ring balance, ladies draw gents over to

   N1 neighbor swing

B1. Long lines forward & back

   N2 neighbor swing

B2. Ring balance, ladies draw gents over to

   Partner swing

Here, the "Dublin Bay" figure (as it’s more commonly seen in contra, a
modified “down the hall”) has been inverted to make the starting formation
a line of four facing up - intended for those times a caller wants all
dancers facing the stage. The sequence’s overall design was driven by the
intention to facilitate band introductions before a break or goodbyes
before a final waltz, with dancers beside their partner. As a last dance
before the break, the A1 figure can be walked without “bend to a ring,” and
voila! Dancers are in lines of four facing up ready for announcements; the
rest is simple enough to run no-walk-through.

Compact variation! Start instead with dancers facing DOWN the hall and make
A1 the original “Dublin Bay” figure: lines of four facing down take four
steps backwards (toward the stage), four steps forwards; turn alone to face
up, and repeat. Voila! Lines of four facing up.

Dancers waiting out at the ends should join in the long lines.
In honor of Chrissy Fowler and the Belfast Flying Shoes dance in Belfast,
Maine.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Linda Leslie 
wrote:

> Al Olson used the move in his dance “Leaving Home”. It was published in *Give
> & Take* by Larry Jennings in 2004. Larry spent a number of years putting
> this book together, so the dance was written well before this. I did not
> find the dance in *Zesty Contras*, Larry’s fist book, published in 1988;
> but this might mean that Larry did not have space to include it, rather
> than it had not been written yet.  If I were of a betting nature…..I would
> bet that the dance was from the 1980’s, maybe 1990’s.
> Linda
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Tavi Merrill via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay" (aka
> "We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in contra into a
> modified "lines of four down the hall."
>
> I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids,"
> where dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and
> continue down the hall with four backward steps, then repeat the figure to
> return up the hall.
>
> I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it,
> appears in. Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance
> historians out there know what the first contra to use this figure is?
>
> Tavi
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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[lynn ackerson via Callers]

And my version "Please don't call me surely":

D,I Please Don't Call Me Surely      Lynn AckersonA1: Neighbor dosido

  Neighbor swing

A2: Down hall 4 in line, turn alone (4)

  Continue down hall walking backward (4)

   Come uphall 4 in line, turn alone (4)

   Continue up hall walking backwards (4)

B1: Circle L ¾ 

   Partnerswing 

B2: Ladies chain

   Lefthand star

 

On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 2:56 PM, Donna Hunt via Callers 
 wrote:
 

  Here's one I wrote.  I mostly use the Balance and swing in B1 (read below)

Mark and Robin's Nest 
| 
 | by Donna Hunt | Duple Improper |

 
| 
 | Start with Actives (# 1 couple) in the center of line of 4 facing down the 
hall. |
| A1 | Down the hall as in the "Gay Gordon" couple dance    (3 steps forward 
turn alone and 3 steps backward)
 Repeat up the hall to place    (3 steps forward turn alone and 3 steps 
backward. Note: dancers end facing down the hall) |
| A2 | (Bend the line)    Circle Left 1x
 Do-Si-Do Neighbor |
| B1 | Actives Gypsy (or Neighbor Balance) 
 Neighbor Swing |
| B2 | Long Lines Fwd and Back
 Actives Swing |
| 
 | 
 
 To honor the wedding of Mark and Robin Schaffer on Oct 19, 2003, and the home 
(nest) they created. |

 
Donna
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Cell:  215-565-6050


 
 
-Original Message-
From: Mac Mckeever via Callers 
To: Tavi Merrill ; callers 

Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

One I call frequently is 

Jim's Reel by Steve Snurr

A1 Do Si Di N 1 1/4 ti WL - ladies in center, Rt hand to N Remember this WL 
- we will come back to it
 Bal Line - Trun N by R 1/2 - Gents pull by LA2 B&SW PB1 Down hall 4 steps 
- turn alone - back up 4 steps  For 4 steps - turn alone back up 4 stepsB2 
Cir L 5 places until you can collapse to original WL Bal (on last 4 
beats)A1 walk for to new N - as dance starts over
Great dance
Mac McKeever


  From: Tavi Merrill via Callers 
 To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net 
 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 4:20 PM
 Subject: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure
  

Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay" (aka 
"We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in contra into a 
modified "lines of four down the hall." 

I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids," where 
dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and continue down the 
hall with four backward steps, then repeat the figure to return up the hall. 

I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it, appears in. 
Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance historians out there 
know what the first contra to use this figure is?  

Tavi
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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Donna Hunt via Callers]

 Here's one I wrote.  I mostly use the Balance and swing in B1 (read below)

Mark and Robin's Nest  



by Donna Hunt

Duple Improper







Start with Actives (# 1 couple) in the center of line of 4 facing down the hall.



A1

Down the hall as in the "Gay Gordon" couple dance(3 steps forward turn 
alone and 3 steps backward)
Repeat up the hall to place(3 steps forward turn alone and 3 steps 
backward.Note: dancers end facing down the hall)



A2

(Bend the line)Circle Left 1x
Do-Si-Do Neighbor



B1

Actives Gypsy (or Neighbor Balance) 
Neighbor Swing



B2

Long Lines Fwd and Back
Actives Swing








To honor the wedding of Mark and Robin Schaffer on Oct 19, 2003, and 
the home (nest) they created.




Donna
Web Site:  donnahuntcaller.com
Email: dhuntdan...@aol.com
Cell:  215-565-6050







-Original Message-
From: Mac Mckeever via Callers 
To: Tavi Merrill ; callers 

Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure



One I call frequently is 



Jim's Reel by Steve Snurr




A1 Do Si Di N 1 1/4 ti WL - ladies in center, Rt hand to N
 Remember this WL - we will come back to it

 Bal Line - Trun N by R 1/2 - Gents pull by L
A2 B&SW P
B1 Down hall 4 steps - turn alone - back up 4 steps
  For 4 steps - turn alone back up 4 steps
B2 Cir L 5 places until you can collapse to original WL
 Bal (on last 4 beats)
A1 walk for to new N - as dance starts over


Great dance


Mac McKeever









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 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 4:20 PM
 Subject: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure





Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay" (aka 
"We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in contra into a 
modified "lines of four down the hall." 

I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids," where 
dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and continue down the 
hall with four backward steps, then repeat the figure to return up the hall. 

I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it, appears in. 
Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance historians out there 
know what the first contra to use this figure is?  

Tavi

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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Jonathan Sivier via Callers]

   We probably need someone with more knowledge to weigh in on this, 
but my understanding is that the dance known as Dublin Bay was published 
in Playford in the early 1700's and the Gay Gordon's dance is more 
likely from the late 1800's.  So if these dances are related at all it 
would be the Scottish dance that evolved from the English dance. 
However, they could easily be independent inventions.


Jonathan

On 1/16/2017 5:58 PM, Martha Wild via Callers wrote:

Note that the Scottish “Gay Gordons” dance, which has been a standard
there for I don’t know how long, features a promenade where couples walk
forward then turn and continue backward, then come back forward and turn
and continue backing up again. Doing four instead of two in line would
seem a likely evolution.
Martha


On Jan 16, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Tavi Merrill via Callers
mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:


Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay"
(aka "We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in
contra into a modified "lines of four down the hall."

I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids,"
where dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and
continue down the hall with four backward steps, then repeat the
figure to return up the hall.

I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it,
appears in. Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance
historians out there know what the first contra to use this figure is?

Tavi

Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Karl via Callers]

It's a Scottish figure called 'Gay Gorden'. I know it's in other dances but not 
sure about Contras outside of Handsome Young Maids'. One of my favorites.

On January 16, 2017 5:20:15 PM EST, Tavi Merrill via Callers 
 wrote:
>Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay"
>(aka
>"We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in contra
>into a
>modified "lines of four down the hall."
>
>I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids,"
>where
>dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and continue
>down
>the hall with four backward steps, then repeat the figure to return up
>the
>hall.
>
>I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it,
>appears
>in. Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance historians
>out
>there know what the first contra to use this figure is?
>
>Tavi
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Martha Wild via Callers]

Note that the Scottish “Gay Gordons” dance, which has been a standard there for 
I don’t know how long, features a promenade where couples walk forward then 
turn and continue backward, then come back forward and turn and continue 
backing up again. Doing four instead of two in line would seem a likely 
evolution.
Martha

> On Jan 16, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Tavi Merrill via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay" (aka 
> "We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in contra into a 
> modified "lines of four down the hall." 
> 
> I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids," where 
> dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and continue down 
> the hall with four backward steps, then repeat the figure to return up the 
> hall. 
> 
> I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it, appears 
> in. Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance historians out 
> there know what the first contra to use this figure is?  
> 
> Tavi
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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Mac Mckeever via Callers]

One I call frequently is 

Jim's Reel by Steve Snurr

A1 Do Si Di N 1 1/4 ti WL - ladies in center, Rt hand to N Remember this WL 
- we will come back to it
 Bal Line - Trun N by R 1/2 - Gents pull by LA2 B&SW PB1 Down hall 4 steps 
- turn alone - back up 4 steps  For 4 steps - turn alone back up 4 stepsB2 
Cir L 5 places until you can collapse to original WL Bal (on last 4 
beats)A1 walk for to new N - as dance starts over
Great dance
Mac McKeever


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 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 4:20 PM
 Subject: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure
   

Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay" (aka 
"We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in contra into a 
modified "lines of four down the hall." 

I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids," where 
dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and continue down the 
hall with four backward steps, then repeat the figure to return up the hall. 

I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it, appears in. 
Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance historians out there 
know what the first contra to use this figure is?  

Tavi
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Re: [Callers] Contras which feature a "Dublin Bay" figure

[Linda Leslie via Callers]

Al Olson used the move in his dance “Leaving Home”. It was published in Give & 
Take by Larry Jennings in 2004. Larry spent a number of years putting this book 
together, so the dance was written well before this. I did not find the dance 
in Zesty Contras, Larry’s fist book, published in 1988; but this might mean 
that Larry did not have space to include it, rather than it had not been 
written yet.  If I were of a betting nature…..I would bet that the dance was 
from the 1980’s, maybe 1990’s. 
Linda

On Jan 16, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Tavi Merrill via Callers 
 wrote:

> 
> Dance genealogy question: The figure first appearing in "Dublin Bay" (aka 
> "We'll Wed and We'll Bed," its title in Playford) morphed in contra into a 
> modified "lines of four down the hall." 
> 
> I know a version of it from Sue Rosen's dance "Handsome Young Maids," where 
> dancers facing down take four steps forwards, turn alone, and continue down 
> the hall with four backward steps, then repeat the figure to return up the 
> hall. 
> 
> I'm curious how many other contras this figure, or a version of it, appears 
> in. Does anyone know of other dances? And any astute dance historians out 
> there know what the first contra to use this figure is?  
> 
> Tavi
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