Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
Hello Everybody, From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted out. Absar will make it with drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute. Robert Meggle has been involved in the project since 2002 and is working closely with release manager Gjergj Sheldija. They are key person on the technical issues of the project. There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to contribute to the project as well. Senthil brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the project and reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers. I think this is now priority no one. Please bring your ideas. Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who have recently expressed their willingnes to contribute: Jess Peptio is a php developer from Philippines and is really interested project im willing to work on the development, hopes to find hospital to fund the project. Pepe Magaña is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache, mysql,php) He wrote Please just let me know what you need. Frank TilugulilwaI is willing to volunteer in some areas where he is comfortable. Enrique Valderrama is working on Medical and oftalmological small clinics and hopes to have news about it soon. Coolman mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to care2x. But I believe they have something to contibute in the software development as well :-) Vivek Kumar mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am interested in their work or plans with with Care2x. I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have also mailed privately to some others, whom I know are working with Care2x, and hope they bring their ideas and how they can contribute to the project. Mauri -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
[Care2002-developers] Idea how to make money with Care2x
Hi Everybody, Two years ago we needed developers for our project and one idea was to use remote developers for certain tasks. We had some funds for that purpose and when I mailed in this list I got some replies. That time our hospitals chose onsite developers. For the webERP project we got Tim Schoffield in this way and he has since then been supporting webERP project in our hospitals (onsite and remotely). The idea has been in my mind since then. It might be one solution to the problem Pepito has expressed. It could be also one way to use any donations the project might get. I repeat my idea here. When developer and client do not know each other the trust may be a problem but solution could be eBay like system. If the work is publicly offered in this channel it can be verified in online demo when it is finnished. The client will pay what was aggreed after it is done (the payment amount need not to be public). The reputation of developer and client are the only force that will make them follow their oblications. The project can be split in tasks and if the tasks are small enough the risk is not too big to developer or client. This kind of system might attract more developers and also clients to use Care2x when they have a better way to get support in their project. I have seen during the years that we have worked in our project that it is really difficult to find volunteers, but this may be the way to energize the community. What do you think about this idea? Mauri Niemi -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
Re: [Care2002-developers] Idea how to make money with Care2x
Hi Mauri, I will reply back latter for other email on building team and my ideas for that.. Regarding this, I'm not supporting.. There are two part of this project. One is build the strong base product and other one do customization based on individual hospitals needs. The base product should be open source and should be proper document and more developers needed to enhance the product. Currently lot of work needed on review and redesign that architecture/refactor that code base. I basically worked on customization on this Care2x sometime back and contributed some of the activity of the project in past. So, i know the code base and the issues. In the other side, there were many customization going on for hospitals, but not much information passed back to base product and not under control of this project admin too. And more funding gone for that area. Developers who spent time on project need to get some benefits/reputation. that i agree. but, in mean time, we should consider this is open source project and we may not have much funding to lead whole development. And not like idea to bring developers to project just to earn money with this.. It definitely not help for project in long term. My suggestion is, first we create internal developer team and project organization as well. Totally volunteer organization and people can share the spare time to build the project. Once project and web site then all releases, road map in proper place. What could provide service for customization with Care2x team for the hospitals needs and which will be monitor through project admins and it can be discuss within team. The resource in team can be allocated based on availability and compensated for those customization works. In mean time, any one can do their own customization for the hospitals with base product release which has no control over in Care2x team. regardsSenthil --- On Sat, 1/5/10, mauri.ni...@gmail.com mauri.ni...@gmail.com wrote: From: mauri.ni...@gmail.com mauri.ni...@gmail.com Subject: [Care2002-developers] Idea how to make money with Care2x To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Received: Saturday, 1 May, 2010, 1:38 PM Hi Everybody, Two years ago we needed developers for our project and one idea was to use remote developers for certain tasks. We had some funds for that purpose and when I mailed in this list I got some replies. That time our hospitals chose onsite developers. For the webERP project we got Tim Schoffield in this way and he has since then been supporting webERP project in our hospitals (onsite and remotely). The idea has been in my mind since then. It might be one solution to the problem Pepito has expressed. It could be also one way to use any donations the project might get. I repeat my idea here. When developer and client do not know each other the trust may be a problem but solution could be eBay like system. If the work is publicly offered in this channel it can be verified in online demo when it is finnished. The client will pay what was aggreed after it is done (the payment amount need not to be public). The reputation of developer and client are the only force that will make them follow their oblications. The project can be split in tasks and if the tasks are small enough the risk is not too big to developer or client. This kind of system might attract more developers and also clients to use Care2x when they have a better way to get support in their project. I have seen during the years that we have worked in our project that it is really difficult to find volunteers, but this may be the way to energize the community. What do you think about this idea? Mauri Niemi -Inline Attachment Follows- -- -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
Hi Tim, Let's do it together, like we started it some time ago with the east african branch of care2x. As you said, the billing on 2.6 is different is different. But let it divide in several tasks. First the basic interface must be added so that a patient will be added as debtor on webERP, that is the first step. There will be later coming up more discussion in specific detail about stock, pricing,... where the main question could be how care2x should work with or without an interface with webERP. Exactely on that point there is the close cooperation with you is needed and thank's a lot for your suggestion to contribute here your skills. Thanks :-D Robert Am Samstag, den 01.05.2010, 11:25 +0300 schrieb Tim Schofield: Hi Mauri, I would like to bring the work on integrating webERP into the 2.6 branch. However this has some differences with the East African version (for instance billing), and so I think there needs to be some dialogue on where the links should occur, before starting this work. Thanks Tim On 1 May 2010 11:08, mauri.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everybody, From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted out. Absar will make it with drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute. Robert Meggle has been involved in the project since 2002 and is working closely with release manager Gjergj Sheldija. They are key person on the technical issues of the project. There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to contribute to the project as well. Senthil brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the project and reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers. I think this is now priority no one. Please bring your ideas. Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who have recently expressed their willingnes to contribute: Jess Peptio is a php developer from Philippines and is really interested project im willing to work on the development, hopes to find hospital to fund the project. Pepe Magaña is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache, mysql,php) He wrote Please just let me know what you need. Frank TilugulilwaI is willing to volunteer in some areas where he is comfortable. Enrique Valderrama is working on Medical and oftalmological small clinics and hopes to have news about it soon. Coolman mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to care2x. But I believe they have something to contibute in the software development as well :-) Vivek Kumar mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am interested in their work or plans with with Care2x. I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have also mailed privately to some others, whom I know are working with Care2x, and hope they bring their ideas and how they can contribute to the project. Mauri -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers -- MEROTECH IT Engineering Robert Meggle St.-Mang-Str. 8 87616 Marktoberdorf Germany Tel: +49(0)8342 - 8956729 Fax: +49(0)8342 - 8956730 mailto:meg...@merotech.de -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
Hi carers As project manager, i will, with Robert and Gjergj, go ahead with care2x. The actual structure of development show all the limits, it's time to go ahead. I will according with Gj And Rob, create a live LIVE conference to decide the whose who of care2x, Care3g? Care4G? It's the same... In this time I have get all the code of MyCare2x, by Mollim :) The code integrate a good work of The ULM University, they give me it. Think is a good starting point. Trust, join and go ahead, a domain is only a name BR Claudio Hi Mauri, I would like to bring the work on integrating webERP into the 2.6 branch. However this has some differences with the East African version (for instance billing), and so I think there needs to be some dialogue on where the links should occur, before starting this work. Thanks Tim On 1 May 2010 11:08,mauri.ni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everybody, From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted out. Absar will make it with drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute. Robert Meggle has been involved in the project since 2002 and is working closely with release manager Gjergj Sheldija. They are key person on the technical issues of the project. There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to contribute to the project as well. Senthil brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the project and reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers. I think this is now priority no one. Please bring your ideas. Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who have recently expressed their willingnes to contribute: Jess Peptio is a php developer from Philippines and is really interested project im willing to work on the development, hopes to find hospital to fund the project. Pepe Magaña is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache, mysql,php) He wrote Please just let me know what you need. Frank TilugulilwaI is willing to volunteer in some areas where he is comfortable. Enrique Valderrama is working on Medical and oftalmological small clinics and hopes to have news about it soon. Coolman mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to care2x. But I believe they have something to contibute in the software development as well :-) Vivek Kumar mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am interested in their work or plans with with Care2x. I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have also mailed privately to some others, whom I know are working with Care2x, and hope they bring their ideas and how they can contribute to the project. Mauri -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers -- Dott Claudio Giulio Torbinio I-CGCT // VAR532 http://status.ivao.aero/313392.png - http://cgt.altervista.org http://www.wix.com/holyghostpro/CGT http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudiotorbinio http://www.digitalhealthcare.info http://www.keysolution.es - c...@keysolution.es claudiogiu...@email.it claudiotorbi...@tiscali.it - callto://claudio.giulio.torbinio mobile: +393339925580 fax: +391786029523 - Riservatezza In ottemperanza al D.Lgs. n. 196 del 30/6/2003 in materia di protezione dei dati personali,le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono strettamente riservate ed esclusivamente indirizzate al destinatario indicato (oppure alla persona responsabile di rimetterlo al destinatario). Vogliate tener presente che qualsiasi uso, riproduzione o divulgazione di questo messaggio è vietato. Nel caso in cui aveste ricevuto questo messaggio per errore, vogliate cortesemente avvertire il mittente inviando una email a claudiogiu...@email.it o telefonando al n. +393339925580 e distruggere il presente messaggio. Confidentiality According to Italian law D.Lgs. 196/2003 concerning privacy, if you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person) you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please send email to claudiogiu...@email.it or call n. +393339925580 and destroy it. -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
Hi Mauri, My suggestion is we should build project organization within care2x and get all the active members to the that. This project was run for many years. i was in this group from 2004/5 period as i remember. There were many members might not active for long years. We need to get project manager (you can play the role), release lead, development lead, business analyst/product lead, support/maintenance lead, QA lead, web admin like few lead role need to identified and then need to identify the members for each group. In the development/business analyst lead, we could assign one or more person for each modules to look into.. As this is open source project and people work volunteer, it may hard to commit fixed hours to work, So, need to have more members to share the work. We could build bi-monthly status update report or dashboard in website to monitor the progress and reallocate resources. In my side, i really had tough timelines and long working hours in past few years. That was the reason i was out of project/not active on this.. Now i may able to spend few hours on this project weekly. RegardsSenthil --- On Sat, 1/5/10, mauri.ni...@gmail.com mauri.ni...@gmail.com wrote: From: mauri.ni...@gmail.com mauri.ni...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future To: Senthil SSenthilruban, Puvanendran senthilru...@yahoo.com, care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Received: Saturday, 1 May, 2010, 1:38 PM Hello Everybody, From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted out. Absar will make it with drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute. Robert Meggle has been involved in the project since 2002 and is working closely with release manager Gjergj Sheldija. They are key person on the technical issues of the project. There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to contribute to the project as well. Senthil brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the project and reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers. I think this is now priority no one. Please bring your ideas. Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who have recently expressed their willingnes to contribute: Jess Peptio is a php developer from Philippines and is really interested project im willing to work on the development, hopes to find hospital to fund the project. Pepe Magaña is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache, mysql,php) He wrote Please just let me know what you need. Frank TilugulilwaI is willing to volunteer in some areas where he is comfortable. Enrique Valderrama is working on Medical and oftalmological small clinics and hopes to have news about it soon. Coolman mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to care2x. But I believe they have something to contibute in the software development as well :-) Vivek Kumar mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am interested in their work or plans with with Care2x. I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have also mailed privately to some others, whom I know are working with Care2x, and hope they bring their ideas and how they can contribute to the project. Mauri -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
Agree totally with Mauri if is needed i can do release lead. BR Claudio Hi Mauri, My suggestion is we should build project organization within care2x and get all the active members to the that. This project was run for many years. i was in this group from 2004/5 period as i remember. There were many members might not active for long years. We need to get project manager (you can play the role), release lead, development lead, business analyst/product lead, support/maintenance lead, QA lead, web admin like few lead role need to identified and then need to identify the members for each group. In the development/business analyst lead, we could assign one or more person for each modules to look into.. As this is open source project and people work volunteer, it may hard to commit fixed hours to work, So, need to have more members to share the work. We could build bi-monthly status update report or dashboard in website to monitor the progress and reallocate resources. In my side, i really had tough timelines and long working hours in past few years. That was the reason i was out of project/not active on this.. Now i may able to spend few hours on this project weekly. Regards Senthil --- On *Sat, 1/5/10, mauri.ni...@gmail.com /mauri.ni...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: mauri.ni...@gmail.com mauri.ni...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future To: Senthil SSenthilruban, Puvanendran senthilru...@yahoo.com, care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Received: Saturday, 1 May, 2010, 1:38 PM Hello Everybody, From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted out. Absar will make it with drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute. *Robert Meggle* has been involved in the project since 2002 and is working closely with release manager *Gjergj Sheldija. *They are key person on the technical issues of the project. There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to contribute to the project as well. *Senthil* brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the project and reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers. *I think this is now priority no one.* Please bring your ideas. Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who have recently expressed their willingnes to contribute: *Jess Peptio* is a php developer from Philippines and is really interested project im willing to work on the development, hopes to find hospital to fund the project. *Pepe Magaña* is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache, mysql,php) He wrote Please just let me know what you need. *Frank TilugulilwaI* is willing to volunteer in some areas where he is comfortable. *Enrique Valderrama* is working on Medical and oftalmological small clinics and hopes to have news about it soon. *Coolman* mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to care2x. But I believe they have something to contibute in the software development as well :-) *Vivek Kumar* mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am interested in their work or plans with with Care2x. I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have also mailed privately to some others, whom I know are working with Care2x, and hope they bring their ideas and how they can contribute to the project. Mauri -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers -- Dott Claudio Giulio Torbinio I-CGCT // VAR532 http://status.ivao.aero/313392.png - http://cgt.altervista.org http://www.wix.com/holyghostpro/CGT http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudiotorbinio http://www.digitalhealthcare.info http://www.keysolution.es - c...@keysolution.es claudiogiu...@email.it claudiotorbi...@tiscali.it - callto://claudio.giulio.torbinio mobile: +393339925580 fax: +391786029523 - Riservatezza In ottemperanza al D.Lgs. n. 196 del 30/6/2003 in materia di protezione dei dati personali,le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono strettamente riservate ed esclusivamente indirizzate al destinatario indicato (oppure alla persona responsabile di rimetterlo al destinatario). Vogliate tener presente che qualsiasi uso, riproduzione o divulgazione di questo messaggio è vietato. Nel caso in cui aveste ricevuto questo messaggio per errore, vogliate cortesemente avvertire il mittente inviando una email a claudiogiu...@email.it o telefonando al n. +393339925580 e distruggere il presente messaggio. Confidentiality
[Care2002-developers] An idea for the project | Una idea para el proyecto
Greetings, I express my idea to see if they like It can form a support group Care2x online, so you can market the software to the private health sector, making a sort of channel distributor Zone for example I would like to sell the software support with the help of the developer community is concerned that as we would coordinate the payment of fees that may not be much but something would help the project progress Another idea is that the community does trade with countries Care2x implementations for help for the project, in my country Venezuela I could implement the system in a small hospital in exchange for a governmental contribution to the project some help, either with some donation or hosting domains hosting and even money These are just ideas that we can improve in all Saludos, voy a expresar mi idea ver si les gusta Se puede formar un grupo de soporte de Care2x online, asi se puede comercializar el software a el sector privado de salud, hacer una especie de canal distribuidor por zona por ejemplo me gustaría vender el soporte para el software con ayuda de la comunidad de desarrolladores es cuestión de que coordinemos como hariamos el pago de los honorarios que quizás no sean muchos pero ayudaria de algo a la evolución del proyecto Otra idea es que la comunidad haga intercambios con países implementaciones de care2x por ayuda para el proyecto, en mi pais Venezuela yo podría implementar en Sistema en un hospital pequeño a cambio de que una institución gubernamental aporte alguna ayuda para el proyecto, bien sea con alguna donación de dominios o alojamiento hosting e incluso dinero Son solo ideas que podemos mejorar entre todos -- Manuel Guaramato [ http://guaramato.blogspot.com/ ] -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
Hi Gjergj You know... i am ever ready!!! Ciao Claudio hi all, me and robert are doing lately some changes in the source code that will ( hopefully ) lead at having a modular version someway around dec 2010 - jan 2011 based on zend framework. we decided to go with the refactor way and not with the start from scratch because of the many installations of care2x. what we are doing is divided into three main phases 1. ease the translation documentation of care2x a. move the current translation handling to gettext and create a web based translation tool ( gj ) b. move the help files to a wiki based system, the wiki will be available on the c2x website ( gj ) c. translate the filenames, variables from german to english ( yes! ) ( r ) 2. start moving files around in an mvc fashion a. create a simple mvc fw to ease the transformation of c2x from the current structure to the new mvc one ( volunteers ? ) 3. start the final move to zend framework ( volunteers ? ) as per point 1 somebody may have noticed some changes lately on the svn repo. we hope to soon have a full gettext based translation system so new updated translations can come. for the other phases we'd welcome any suggestions... best regards gj. -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers -- Dott Claudio Giulio Torbinio I-CGCT // VAR532 http://status.ivao.aero/313392.png - http://cgt.altervista.org http://www.wix.com/holyghostpro/CGT http://www.linkedin.com/in/claudiotorbinio http://www.digitalhealthcare.info http://www.keysolution.es - c...@keysolution.es claudiogiu...@email.it claudiotorbi...@tiscali.it - callto://claudio.giulio.torbinio mobile: +393339925580 fax: +391786029523 - Riservatezza In ottemperanza al D.Lgs. n. 196 del 30/6/2003 in materia di protezione dei dati personali,le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono strettamente riservate ed esclusivamente indirizzate al destinatario indicato (oppure alla persona responsabile di rimetterlo al destinatario). Vogliate tener presente che qualsiasi uso, riproduzione o divulgazione di questo messaggio è vietato. Nel caso in cui aveste ricevuto questo messaggio per errore, vogliate cortesemente avvertire il mittente inviando una email a claudiogiu...@email.it o telefonando al n. +393339925580 e distruggere il presente messaggio. Confidentiality According to Italian law D.Lgs. 196/2003 concerning privacy, if you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person) you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please send email to claudiogiu...@email.it or call n. +393339925580 and destroy it. -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Milano Marittima Pensione Completa + bevande + spiaggia + terzo letto gratis! Azzurro Club Vacanze Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=10398d=1-5 -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
Re: [Care2002-developers] An idea for the project | Una idea para el proyecto
Hello Manuel, It is probably so that Care2x community should be based on voluntary work like Senthil wrote, but it can be the place where to show the skills and from where to find developers to support different projects funded by hospitals/donors/partners. Some kind of business model makes this project more attractive to developers. People have to make their living in one way or other and if we would have built our project totally on voluntary work we would not have achieved much. If there would have been a clear business model of the project earlier it might not have lost so many developers. Senthil suggested we should have Business analyst/product lead and I think he could work out solutions for business model - even if he would do voluntary work within this project :-). American Universities get a lot of donations from their old students. The same could work with this kind of project: the one who becomes familiar and expert with Care2x during voluntary work and later gets business with Care2x, could return something to the project later. Coolman and Enrique were thinking about financial support of the project. Mauri Greetings, I express my idea to see if they like It can form a support group Care2x online, so you can market the software to the private health sector, making a sort of channel distributor Zone for example I would like to sell the software support with the help of the developer community is concerned that as we would coordinate the payment of fees that may not be much but something would help the project progress Another idea is that the community does trade with countries Care2x implementations for help for the project, in my country Venezuela I could implement the system in a small hospital in exchange for a governmental contribution to the project some help, either with some donation or hosting domains hosting and even money These are just ideas that we can improve in all -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
Re: [Care2002-developers] An idea for the project | Una idea para el proyecto
Sorry for writing this in Spanish, it's just a heads up for newbies. Google translate can probably make a good job. Hola Manuel, sí, ojalá a futuro se pueda organizar un grupo de soporte técnico. Sin embargo, el punto en discusión actualmente es quién se hará cargo de qué. Existen muchas versiones de Care2x, unas funcionan mejor que otras. Los planteamientos de hoy son los de capturar lo mejor de cada una e integrarlos en una nueva actualización, que facilite las labores de traducción y modularización. También está el tema de cobranza dentro de la aplicación. Ese módulo aún está separado y se está discutiendo la posibilidad de incorporar un módulo básico y ampliable. En lo personal, la Secretaría de Información del gobierno de Ecuador ha visto a Care2x con buenos ojos y tienen una versión montada como demo de lo que podría ser un sistema hospitalario de bajo costo. No sé si están incorporando mejoras. El grupo técnico es muy hábil y lo harán cuando haga falta. Lo que reclamamos todos es que las mejoras que se hacen a lo largo de los años no necesariamente retornan a la comunidad. Esto reduce las ganas de participar. He liderado el grupo de discusión de Care2x Latinoamérica desde que se creó. Hasta ahora los mensajes que ingresan en castellano han sido demagógicos y patrioteros. No dudo que exista gente capaz en los grupos de discusión pero también hay mucho avivato que quiere sacar tajada de un proyecto hecho por voluntarios. La mentalidad latinoamericana es la de sacar ventaja con cero esfuerzo, abusando del altruismo del desarrollador. En cambio, creo que la mentalidad de los desarrolladores de Care2x es la de ofrecer una herramienta base en forma gratuita y ganar algo de dinero con el mantenimiento y soporte técnico. Si usted necesita un grupo de gente que le dé una mano para montar y mantener un sistema, vaya pensando desde ya cómo recompensarlos. Cuando uno plantea un problema, siempre debe tener al menos dos soluciones posibles para resolverlas. Por más que sea un hospital pequeño, necesitará al menos una persona a tiempo completo y con buen sueldo que conozca bastante de versiones previas de php y MySQL. Me adelanto a informar que, mi participación en este proyecto es 100% voluntaria pero no tengo tiempo libre para trabajar en el código. Siempre he trabajado en mejorar y ampliar la traducción y hasta ahí me responsabilizo del trabajo. El Dr. Rodríguez de Argentina también ha colaborado de manera efectiva. Quizá él tenga un grupo especializado que le pueda ayudar con el mantenimiento y que ya tenga definidos los costos por honorarios. Por último, puede intentar en www.elance.com. El sistema garantiza a ambas partes. Cordialmente, Daniel El 5/1/10 5:02 AM, Manuel Guaramato escribió: Greetings, I express my idea to see if they like It can form a support group Care2x online, so you can market the software to the private health sector, making a sort of channel distributor Zone for example I would like to sell the software support with the help of the developer community is concerned that as we would coordinate the payment of fees that may not be much but something would help the project progress Another idea is that the community does trade with countries Care2x implementations for help for the project, in my country Venezuela I could implement the system in a small hospital in exchange for a governmental contribution to the project some help, either with some donation or hosting domains hosting and even money These are just ideas that we can improve in all Saludos, voy a expresar mi idea ver si les gusta Se puede formar un grupo de soporte de Care2x online, asi se puede comercializar el software a el sector privado de salud, hacer una especie de canal distribuidor por zona por ejemplo me gustaría vender el soporte para el software con ayuda de la comunidad de desarrolladores es cuestión de que coordinemos como hariamos el pago de los honorarios que quizás no sean muchos pero ayudaria de algo a la evolución del proyecto Otra idea es que la comunidad haga intercambios con países implementaciones de care2x por ayuda para el proyecto, en mi pais Venezuela yo podría implementar en Sistema en un hospital pequeño a cambio de que una institución gubernamental aporte alguna ayuda para el proyecto, bien sea con alguna donación de dominios o alojamiento hosting e incluso dinero Son solo ideas que podemos mejorar entre todos -- Manuel Guaramato [ http://guaramato.blogspot.com/ ] -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers --
Re: [Care2002-developers] An idea for the project | Una idea para el proyecto
Hi Daniel, Never tried before but seems to work reasonably well between Spanish and English. They are more closely related. But when I tried from Spanish to Finnish it was terrible. You can compare below your text and Google version :-) Mauri Hi Manuel, yes, hopefully the future is to organize a support group. Without But the point at issue now is who will pay for what. Many versions of Care2x, some work better than others. The Today's approaches are to capture the best of each and integration into a new update, which facilitates the work of translation and modularization. There is also the issue of collection within the application. This module separately and still is discussing the possibility of incorporating a basic module and expandable. Personally, the Ministry of Information of the Government of Ecuador has Care2x seen with good eyes and have a mounted version as demo of what could be a low-cost hospital system. I do not know if are incorporating improvements. The technical group is very good and they will when needed. What we claim is that all the improvements that are made along the years not necessarily return to the community. This reduces want to participate. I led the discussion group since the Latin Care2x created. So far the messages that have been entered in Castilian demagogic and jingoistic. No doubt there capable people in groups discussion but there is plenty avivato who wants to get chop a project done by volunteers. Latin American mentality is to profit with zero effort, abusing the altruism of developer. However, I think the mentality of the developers of Care2x is to provide a basic tool for free and earn some money to the maintenance and technical support. If you need a group of people who give a hand to mount and maintain a system, go from thinking and how rewarding. When one poses a problem, you should always have at least two solutions possible to resolve them. Even if it is a small hospital, need at least one full time person with a good salary well known from previous versions of php and MySQL. I anticipate to report that my participation in this project is 100% voluntary but I have no free time to work on the code. I have always worked to improve and extend the translation and so far I take the responsibility of work. Dr. Rodriguez of Argentina also cooperated closely effective. Maybe he has a specialized group who can help maintenance and has already defined the costs for fees. Finally, you can try in www.elance.com . The system gives both sides. Sincerely, Daniel 2010/5/1 Dr. med. Daniel Hinostroza postmas...@cerebroperiferico.com Sorry for writing this in Spanish, it's just a heads up for newbies. Google translate can probably make a good job. Hola Manuel, sí, ojalá a futuro se pueda organizar un grupo de soporte técnico. Sin embargo, el punto en discusión actualmente es quién se hará cargo de qué. Existen muchas versiones de Care2x, unas funcionan mejor que otras. Los planteamientos de hoy son los de capturar lo mejor de cada una e integrarlos en una nueva actualización, que facilite las labores de traducción y modularización. También está el tema de cobranza dentro de la aplicación. Ese módulo aún está separado y se está discutiendo la posibilidad de incorporar un módulo básico y ampliable. En lo personal, la Secretaría de Información del gobierno de Ecuador ha visto a Care2x con buenos ojos y tienen una versión montada como demo de lo que podría ser un sistema hospitalario de bajo costo. No sé si están incorporando mejoras. El grupo técnico es muy hábil y lo harán cuando haga falta. Lo que reclamamos todos es que las mejoras que se hacen a lo largo de los años no necesariamente retornan a la comunidad. Esto reduce las ganas de participar. He liderado el grupo de discusión de Care2x Latinoamérica desde que se creó. Hasta ahora los mensajes que ingresan en castellano han sido demagógicos y patrioteros. No dudo que exista gente capaz en los grupos de discusión pero también hay mucho avivato que quiere sacar tajada de un proyecto hecho por voluntarios. La mentalidad latinoamericana es la de sacar ventaja con cero esfuerzo, abusando del altruismo del desarrollador. En cambio, creo que la mentalidad de los desarrolladores de Care2x es la de ofrecer una herramienta base en forma gratuita y ganar algo de dinero con el mantenimiento y soporte técnico. Si usted necesita un grupo de gente que le dé una mano para montar y mantener un sistema, vaya pensando desde ya cómo recompensarlos. Cuando uno plantea un problema, siempre debe tener al menos dos soluciones posibles para resolverlas. Por más que sea un hospital pequeño, necesitará al menos una persona a tiempo completo y con buen sueldo que conozca bastante de versiones previas de php y MySQL. Me adelanto a informar que, mi participación en este proyecto es 100% voluntaria pero no tengo tiempo libre para trabajar en el código. Siempre he trabajado en mejorar
[Care2002-developers] Otra idea
If you'll excuse me fuy misunderstood what I propose is precisely to reach an agreement for the project developers are the first to benefit from its creation by companies currently have revised the Care2x and no benefit at all to community as was mentioned here. I apologize for my English, I am willing to participate in the project, I have skills to design logos and buttons that may not be helpful, I can help testing the system on different platforms, I am new to the list and my intentions are those that can cooperate in a voluntary, what I say is that as Ecuador uses Care2x can use any other country but to give support to change the developer community I are thrilled to centralize everything in one version as this would be more robust Manuel Guaramato [ http://guaramato.blogspot.com/ ] -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
Re: [Care2002-developers] Otra idea
Hi Manuel, Thank you for your offer. Testing is actually very important, which takes time and patience. This is neglected area in many open source projects. The developers test normally a bit but almost allways users get the product with many bugs. This is key area of QA of the product. Mauri If you'll excuse me fuy misunderstood what I propose is precisely to reach an agreement for the project developers are the first to benefit from its creation by companies currently have revised the Care2x and no benefit at all tocommunity as was mentioned here. I apologize for my English, I am willing to participate in the project, I have skills to design logos and buttons that may not be helpful, I can help testing the system on different platforms, I am new to the list and my intentions arethose that can cooperate in a voluntary, what I say is that as Ecuador uses Care2x can use any other country but to give support to change the developer community I are thrilled to centralize everything in one version as this would be more robust Manuel Guaramato [ http://guaramato.blogspot.com/ ] -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
Hi Senthil and Others, Yes, organizing better our work is necessary to get progress. You mentioned: project manager, release lead, development lead, business analyst/product lead, support/maintenance lead, QA lead, web admin lead role and and then need to identify the members for each group. We need more active and commited developers to split the work to many groups with members in each group. Somebody may have to take lead role in more than one task in the beginning and if/when we get more people involved we can split the tasks. The development and release lead need really good general software understanding. Support and maintenance can be done with good understanding of Care2x. In QA also the user aspect and testing must be thought thoroughly. In business analyst/product it would be nice to get somebody with good business background. Web site management is good to work together with business oriented. Project practical manager is not necessarily project owner/leader. He needs good technical and overall understanding of the product. We can start from clean table, those who are in some roles may like to change. Please come with suggestions, which you can send also privately to me. When we have people in key roles they become Care2x management team and make practical decisions. Mauri -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
[Care2002-developers] Just published paper on open source challenges for hospital information system (HIS)
A just published paper on BMC Medical Informatics and Decision Making, 10(1), pp. 22 (2010-04-16) cites, as an example, the way the Care2x uses a wiki to store its project documentation Open source challenges for hospital information system (HIS) in developing countries: a pilot project in Mali Full article at: http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1472-6947-10-22.pdf From the abstract: Results Initial results showed the potential of Open Source in the field of health IT for developing countries like Mali. Five main modules have been fully implemented: patient administrative and medical records management of hospital activities, tracking of practitioners’ activities, infrastructure management and the billing system. This last component of the system has been fully developed by the local Mali team. The evaluation showed that the system is broadly accepted by all the users who participated in the study. 77% of the participants found the system useful; 85% found it easy; 100% of them believe the system increases the reliability of data. The same proportion encourages the continuation of the experiment and its expansion throughout the hospital. M. -- ___ Care2002-developers mailing list Care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
