Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Gjergj Sheldija]

hi M. long time no see :)

quick replies ...
when we talked about zend ,we ment zend framework..not the guard
product...
http://framework.zend.com/

regarding the translation...
there are things easier than using google documents, in the following
weeks we
are gonna put it online..and you are welcome to make your suggestions..

regarding modularity..zf 1.10 has a perfect support for modules..
as per distributing them we thought of using PEAR channels...

regarding the db tables..
you're completely right..in the second the module specific tables
and the core ones will show up ...

btw...we have some key positions in which your help would be
most valuable.. and you are welcome :)

gj.

On 01/05/2010 20:07, plasticdoc wrote:
> On 01-05-2010 10:41, Gjergj Sheldija wrote:
>   
>> me and robert are doing lately some changes in the source code that will
>> ( hopefully ) lead at having a modular version someway around
>> dec 2010 - jan 2011 based on zend framework.
>>
>> 
> Care2x is an HIS supporting SW environment.
>
> Any HIS, because it stores real human health data has associated:
>   - morbility (someone may get hurt in consequence of a bug in the code, 
> or in the greneral workflow of the sw package)
>   - mortality (someone may die because of such non-intended software 
> effects).
> As such the usefulness of a HIS supporting SW results manly from keeping 
> it SIMPLE and SECURE.
>
> I do not want to start one of those endless "my baby is betters than 
> yours" discussions about the better way to support HIS software.
> But Zend is neither simple, nor has it been proved to be safe in 
> supporting Health IT SW in its many years of existence (and of several 
> aborted tentatives of making it support real life Health IT SW).
>
> Some souls may be tempted by Zend's claim described at: < 
> http://www.zend.com/en/products/guard/>, mainly "protects your 
> applications from reverse engineering and unauthorized customization by 
> providing encoding and obfuscation.  It further protects from unlicensed 
> use and redistribution by providing comprehensive licensing support."
>
>   
>> 1. ease the translation documentation of care2x
>>  a. move the current translation handling to gettext and create a
>>  web based translation tool ( gj )
>>  b. move the help files to a wiki based system,
>>
>> 
> OpenEMR, a fellow open source HIS SW , has achieved this with simplicity 
> using the free google Docs/Groups framework < 
> http://www.openmedsoftware.org/wiki/OpenEMR_Internationalization_Development>.
> It uses the free Google framework and Google translation service.
> Suddenly, there is every language to every user, the work to do becomes 
> to round up the semantics.
>
>   
>> ) ( r )
>> 2. start moving files around in an mvc fashion
>>  a. create a simple mvc fw to ease the transformation of c2x from the
>> current
>>  structure to the new mvc one ( volunteers ? )
>> 3. start the final move to zend framework ( volunteers ? )
>>
>> 
> And Gjergj, we have already talked about this, do try to reduce the 
> number of needed tables: keep it simple and secure
>
>   
>> for the other phases we'd welcome any suggestions...
>>
>> 
> I have read somewhere in this mailing list that it is being considered 
> to move the project's page into Drupal CMS .
> That would be a major improvement.
> But while being at it, did you noticed the similarities between a 
> properly done and supported CMS like Drupal and a a good HIS supporting 
> SW package?
> Have you noticed how the Drupal framework easily and transparently 
> supports different DBMS like MySQl, PostgreSQL and others?
> Have you noticed how Drupal framework easily supports user created 
> modules? And how easy it is to install any module (by just copying the 
> code snippets into Drupal and click update)?
> Have you noticed how easily Drupal keeps a close eye on its code and on 
> the LAMP environment, keeping you informed about problems and 
> recommending the appropriate upgrades?
>
> Best regards,
>
> M.
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[plasticdoc]

On 01-05-2010 10:41, Gjergj Sheldija wrote:
> me and robert are doing lately some changes in the source code that will
> ( hopefully ) lead at having a modular version someway around
> dec 2010 - jan 2011 based on zend framework.
>
Care2x is an HIS supporting SW environment.

Any HIS, because it stores real human health data has associated:
  - morbility (someone may get hurt in consequence of a bug in the code, 
or in the greneral workflow of the sw package)
  - mortality (someone may die because of such non-intended software 
effects).
As such the usefulness of a HIS supporting SW results manly from keeping 
it SIMPLE and SECURE.

I do not want to start one of those endless "my baby is betters than 
yours" discussions about the better way to support HIS software.
But Zend is neither simple, nor has it been proved to be safe in 
supporting Health IT SW in its many years of existence (and of several 
aborted tentatives of making it support real life Health IT SW).

Some souls may be tempted by Zend's claim described at: < 
http://www.zend.com/en/products/guard/>, mainly "protects your 
applications from reverse engineering and unauthorized customization by 
providing encoding and obfuscation.  It further protects from unlicensed 
use and redistribution by providing comprehensive licensing support."

> 1. ease the translation documentation of care2x
>  a. move the current translation handling to gettext and create a
>  web based translation tool ( gj )
>  b. move the help files to a wiki based system,
>
OpenEMR, a fellow open source HIS SW , has achieved this with simplicity 
using the free google Docs/Groups framework < 
http://www.openmedsoftware.org/wiki/OpenEMR_Internationalization_Development>.
It uses the free Google framework and Google translation service.
Suddenly, there is every language to every user, the work to do becomes 
to round up the semantics.

> ) ( r )
> 2. start moving files around in an mvc fashion
>  a. create a simple mvc fw to ease the transformation of c2x from the
> current
>  structure to the new mvc one ( volunteers ? )
> 3. start the final move to zend framework ( volunteers ? )
>
And Gjergj, we have already talked about this, do try to reduce the 
number of needed tables: keep it simple and secure

> for the other phases we'd welcome any suggestions...
>
I have read somewhere in this mailing list that it is being considered 
to move the project's page into Drupal CMS .
That would be a major improvement.
But while being at it, did you noticed the similarities between a 
properly done and supported CMS like Drupal and a a good HIS supporting 
SW package?
Have you noticed how the Drupal framework easily and transparently 
supports different DBMS like MySQl, PostgreSQL and others?
Have you noticed how Drupal framework easily supports user created 
modules? And how easy it is to install any module (by just copying the 
code snippets into Drupal and click update)?
Have you noticed how easily Drupal keeps a close eye on its code and on 
the LAMP environment, keeping you informed about problems and 
recommending the appropriate upgrades?

Best regards,

M.

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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[mauri . niemi]

Hi Senthil and Others,

Yes, organizing better our work is necessary to get progress. You mentioned:  
project
manager, release lead, development lead, business analyst/product lead,
support/maintenance lead, QA lead, web admin lead role and and then need to 
identify the
members for each group.
We need more active and commited developers to split the work to many groups 
with
members in each group. Somebody may have to take lead role in more than one 
task in the
beginning and if/when we get more people involved we can split the tasks.

The development and release lead need really good general software 
understanding.
Support and maintenance can be done with good understanding of Care2x. In QA 
also the
user aspect and testing must be thought thoroughly. In business analyst/product 
it would be
nice to get somebody with good business background. Web site management is good 
to
work together with business oriented. Project practical manager is not 
necessarily project
owner/leader. He needs good technical and overall understanding of the product.

We can start from clean table, those who are in some roles may like to change. 
Please come
with suggestions, which you can send also privately to me.  When we have people 
in key
roles they become Care2x management team and make practical decisions.

Mauri


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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Senthil (Senthilruban, Puvanendran)]

Hi Gjergj,       I'm ready to support on those two activities. Unlike in 2008 
period when i joined with you for release management and finally worked on as i 
was moved to Singapore that time and busy with project works and could not free 
time to work on.  Now i relocated to other place, but able to spend time on 
this. Let discuss on tasks through skype..
regardsSenthil

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From: Gjergj Sheldija 
Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
To: claudiogiu...@email.it, care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Received: Saturday, 1 May, 2010, 3:11 PM

hi all,

me and robert are doing lately some changes in the source code that will
( hopefully ) lead at having a modular version someway around
dec 2010 - jan 2011 based on zend framework.
we decided to go with the refactor way and not with the start from scratch
because of the many installations of care2x.
what we are doing is divided into three main phases
1. ease the translation documentation of care2x
    a. move the current translation handling to gettext and create a
    web based translation tool ( gj )
    b. move the help files to a wiki based system,
    the wiki will be available on the c2x website ( gj )
    c. translate the filenames, variables from german to english ( yes!
) ( r )
2. start moving files around in an mvc fashion
    a. create a simple mvc fw to ease the transformation of c2x from the
current
    structure to the new mvc one ( volunteers ? )
3. start the final move to zend framework ( volunteers ? )

as per point 1 somebody may have noticed some changes lately on the svn
repo.
we hope to soon have a full gettext based translation system so new
updated translations
can come.
for the other phases we'd welcome any suggestions...

best regards
gj.


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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Claudio Torbinio]

Hi Gjergj

You know... i am ever ready!!!

Ciao Claudio
> hi all,
>
> me and robert are doing lately some changes in the source code that will
> ( hopefully ) lead at having a modular version someway around
> dec 2010 - jan 2011 based on zend framework.
> we decided to go with the refactor way and not with the start from scratch
> because of the many installations of care2x.
> what we are doing is divided into three main phases
> 1. ease the translation documentation of care2x
>  a. move the current translation handling to gettext and create a
>  web based translation tool ( gj )
>  b. move the help files to a wiki based system,
>  the wiki will be available on the c2x website ( gj )
>  c. translate the filenames, variables from german to english ( yes!
> ) ( r )
> 2. start moving files around in an mvc fashion
>  a. create a simple mvc fw to ease the transformation of c2x from the
> current
>  structure to the new mvc one ( volunteers ? )
> 3. start the final move to zend framework ( volunteers ? )
>
> as per point 1 somebody may have noticed some changes lately on the svn
> repo.
> we hope to soon have a full gettext based translation system so new
> updated translations
> can come.
> for the other phases we'd welcome any suggestions...
>
> best regards
> gj.
>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Gjergj Sheldija]

hi all,

me and robert are doing lately some changes in the source code that will
( hopefully ) lead at having a modular version someway around
dec 2010 - jan 2011 based on zend framework.
we decided to go with the refactor way and not with the start from scratch
because of the many installations of care2x.
what we are doing is divided into three main phases
1. ease the translation documentation of care2x
a. move the current translation handling to gettext and create a
web based translation tool ( gj )
b. move the help files to a wiki based system,
the wiki will be available on the c2x website ( gj )
c. translate the filenames, variables from german to english ( yes!
) ( r )
2. start moving files around in an mvc fashion
a. create a simple mvc fw to ease the transformation of c2x from the
current
structure to the new mvc one ( volunteers ? )
3. start the final move to zend framework ( volunteers ? )

as per point 1 somebody may have noticed some changes lately on the svn
repo.
we hope to soon have a full gettext based translation system so new
updated translations
can come.
for the other phases we'd welcome any suggestions...

best regards
gj.


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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Absar Ali]

Hi Every one,

We need dedication, if some one get the role he should commit that he will be 
available immediately for the work.
I am available for the web mastering and web management of the site, you can 
call me any time of the day/night.

I know this is open source project but to make it successful we need kind of 
full time work. 
I am also willing to donate on this project, just let me know.



Regards,
Absar.


> Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 11:17:14 +0200
> From: claudiogiu...@email.it
> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> 
> Agree totally with Mauri
> if is needed i can do release lead.
> 
> BR
> Claudio
> 
> > Hi Mauri,
> >
> > My suggestion is we should build project organization within care2x and
> > get all the active members to the that. This project was run for many
> > years. i was in this group from 2004/5 period as i remember. There were
> > many members might not active for long years.
> >
> > We need to get project manager (you can play the role), release lead,
> > development lead, business analyst/product lead, support/maintenance
> > lead, QA lead, web admin like few lead role need to identified and then
> > need to identify the members for each group. In the development/business
> > analyst lead, we could assign one or more person for each modules to
> > look into.. As this is open source project and people work volunteer, it
> > may hard to commit fixed hours to work, So, need to have more members to
> > share the work. We could build bi-monthly status update report or
> > dashboard in website to monitor the progress and reallocate resources.
> >
> > In my side, i really had tough timelines and long working hours in past
> > few years. That was the reason i was out of project/not active on this..
> > Now i may able to spend few hours on this project weekly.
> >
> > Regards
> > Senthil
> >
> > --- On *Sat, 1/5/10, mauri.ni...@gmail.com //* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: mauri.ni...@gmail.com 
> > Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> > To: "Senthil SSenthilruban, Puvanendran"" ,
> > care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Received: Saturday, 1 May, 2010, 1:38 PM
> >
> > Hello Everybody,
> >
> >  From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted
> > out. Absar will make it with drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute.
> >
> > *Robert Meggle* has been involved in the project since 2002 and is
> > working closely with release manager *Gjergj Sheldija. *They are key
> > person on the technical issues of the project.
> >
> > There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to
> > contribute to the project as well.
> >
> > *Senthil* brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the
> > project and reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers.
> > *I think this is now priority no one.* Please bring your ideas.
> >
> > Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who
> > have recently expressed their willingnes to contribute:
> >
> > *Jess Peptio* is a php developer from Philippines and is really
> > interested project im willing to work on the development, hopes to
> > find hospital to fund the project.
> > *Pepe Magaña* is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux,
> > apache, mysql,php) He wrote "Please just let me know what you need."
> >
> > *Frank TilugulilwaI* is willing to volunteer in some areas where he
> > is comfortable.
> >
> > *Enrique Valderrama* is working on Medical and oftalmological small
> > clinics and hopes to have news about it soon.
> >
> > *Coolman* mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain
> > donations to care2x. But I believe they have something to contibute
> > in the software development as well :-)
> >
> > *Vivek Kumar* mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am
> > interested in their work or plans with with Care2x.
> >
> > I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have
> > also mailed privately to some others, whom I know are working with
> > Care2x, and hope they bring their ideas and how they can contribute
> > to the project.
> >
> > Mauri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >

Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Claudio Torbinio]

Agree totally with Mauri
if is needed i can do release lead.

BR
Claudio

> Hi Mauri,
>
> My suggestion is we should build project organization within care2x and
> get all the active members to the that. This project was run for many
> years. i was in this group from 2004/5 period as i remember. There were
> many members might not active for long years.
>
> We need to get project manager (you can play the role), release lead,
> development lead, business analyst/product lead, support/maintenance
> lead, QA lead, web admin like few lead role need to identified and then
> need to identify the members for each group. In the development/business
> analyst lead, we could assign one or more person for each modules to
> look into.. As this is open source project and people work volunteer, it
> may hard to commit fixed hours to work, So, need to have more members to
> share the work. We could build bi-monthly status update report or
> dashboard in website to monitor the progress and reallocate resources.
>
> In my side, i really had tough timelines and long working hours in past
> few years. That was the reason i was out of project/not active on this..
> Now i may able to spend few hours on this project weekly.
>
> Regards
> Senthil
>
> --- On *Sat, 1/5/10, mauri.ni...@gmail.com //* wrote:
>
>
> From: mauri.ni...@gmail.com 
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> To: "Senthil SSenthilruban, Puvanendran"" ,
> care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Received: Saturday, 1 May, 2010, 1:38 PM
>
> Hello Everybody,
>
>  From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted
> out. Absar will make it with drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute.
>
> *Robert Meggle* has been involved in the project since 2002 and is
> working closely with release manager *Gjergj Sheldija. *They are key
> person on the technical issues of the project.
>
> There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to
> contribute to the project as well.
>
> *Senthil* brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the
> project and reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers.
> *I think this is now priority no one.* Please bring your ideas.
>
> Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who
> have recently expressed their willingnes to contribute:
>
> *Jess Peptio* is a php developer from Philippines and is really
> interested project im willing to work on the development, hopes to
> find hospital to fund the project.
> *Pepe Magaña* is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux,
> apache, mysql,php) He wrote "Please just let me know what you need."
>
> *Frank TilugulilwaI* is willing to volunteer in some areas where he
> is comfortable.
>
> *Enrique Valderrama* is working on Medical and oftalmological small
> clinics and hopes to have news about it soon.
>
> *Coolman* mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain
> donations to care2x. But I believe they have something to contibute
> in the software development as well :-)
>
> *Vivek Kumar* mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am
> interested in their work or plans with with Care2x.
>
> I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have
> also mailed privately to some others, whom I know are working with
> Care2x, and hope they bring their ideas and how they can contribute
> to the project.
>
> Mauri
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Senthil (Senthilruban, Puvanendran)]

Hi Mauri,
  My suggestion is we should build project organization within care2x and get 
all the active members to the that. This project was run for many years. i was 
in this group from 2004/5 period as i remember. There were many members might 
not active for long years.
  We need to get project manager (you can play the role), release lead, 
development lead, business analyst/product lead, support/maintenance lead, QA 
lead, web admin like few lead role need to identified and then need to identify 
the members for each group. In the development/business analyst lead, we could 
assign one or more person for each modules to look into.. As this is open 
source project and people work volunteer, it may hard to commit fixed hours to 
work, So, need to have more members to share the work. We could build 
bi-monthly status update report or dashboard in website to monitor the progress 
and reallocate resources.
  In my side, i really had tough timelines and long working hours in past few 
years. That was the reason i was out of project/not active on this.. Now i may 
able to spend few hours on this project weekly.
RegardsSenthil
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From: mauri.ni...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
To: "Senthil SSenthilruban, Puvanendran"" , 
care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Received: Saturday, 1 May, 2010, 1:38 PM




 
 

 



Hello Everybody,












From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted out. Absar 
will make it with
drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute.












Robert Meggle has been involved in the project since 2002 and is working 
closely with
release manager Gjergj Sheldija. They are key person on the technical issues of 
the project. 












There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to contribute 
to the project as
well.












Senthil brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the project and 
reorganize the
mailing list team members and volunteers. I think this is now priority no one. 
Please bring
your ideas.












Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who have recently
expressed their willingnes to contribute:












Jess Peptio is a php developer from Philippines and is really interested 
project im willing to
work on the development, hopes to find hospital to fund the project. 




 




Pepe Magaña is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache, 
mysql,php) He wrote
"Please just let me know what you need."












Frank TilugulilwaI is  willing to volunteer in some areas where he is 
comfortable. 












Enrique Valderrama is working on Medical and oftalmological small clinics and 
hopes to
have news about it soon.












Coolman mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to 
care2x.
But I believe they have something to contibute in the software development as 
well :-)












Vivek Kumar mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am interested in 
their work
or plans with with Care2x.












I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have also mailed 
privately to some
others, whom I know are working with Care2x, and hope they bring their ideas 
and how they
can contribute to the project. 












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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Claudio Torbinio]

Hi carers

As project manager, i will, with Robert and Gjergj, go ahead with care2x.
The actual structure of development show all the limits, it's time to go 
ahead.
I will according with Gj And Rob, create a live "LIVE" conference to 
decide the whose who of care2x, Care3g? Care4G? It's the same...
In this time I have get all the code of MyCare2x, by "Mollim" :)
The code integrate a good work of The ULM University, they give me it. 
Think is a good starting point.
Trust, join and go ahead, a domain is only a name

BR
Claudio


> Hi Mauri,
>
> I would like to bring the work on integrating webERP into the 2.6
> branch. However this has some differences with the East African
> version (for instance billing), and so I think there needs to be some
> dialogue on where the links should occur, before starting this work.
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
>
> On 1 May 2010 11:08,  wrote:
>> Hello Everybody,
>> > From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted out.
>> Absar will make it with drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute.
>> Robert Meggle has been involved in the project since 2002 and is working
>> closely with release manager Gjergj Sheldija. They are key person on the
>> technical issues of the project.
>> There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to
>> contribute to the project as well.
>> Senthil brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the project and
>> reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers. I think this is now
>> priority no one. Please bring your ideas.
>> Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who have
>> recently expressed their willingnes to contribute:
>> Jess Peptio is a php developer from Philippines and is really interested
>> project im willing to work on the development, hopes to find hospital to
>> fund the project.
>>
>> Pepe Magaña is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache,
>> mysql,php) He wrote "Please just let me know what you need."
>> Frank TilugulilwaI is  willing to volunteer in some areas where he is
>> comfortable.
>> Enrique Valderrama is working on Medical and oftalmological small clinics
>> and hopes to have news about it soon.
>> Coolman mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain donations
>> to care2x. But I believe they have something to contibute in the software
>> development as well :-)
>> Vivek Kumar mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am interested in
>> their work or plans with with Care2x.
>> I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have also
>> mailed privately to some others, whom I know are working with Care2x, and
>> hope they bring their ideas and how they can contribute to the project.
>> Mauri
>>
>>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Robert Meggle]

Hi Tim, 

Let's do it together, like we started it some time ago with the east
african branch of care2x. 

As you said, the billing on 2.6 is different is different. But let it
divide in several tasks. 

First the basic interface must be added so that a patient will be added
as debtor on webERP, that is the first step. There will be later coming
up more discussion in specific detail about stock, pricing,... where the
main question could be how care2x should work with or without an
interface with webERP. Exactely on that point there is the close
cooperation with you is needed and thank's a lot for your suggestion to
contribute here your skills. 

Thanks :-D
Robert

Am Samstag, den 01.05.2010, 11:25 +0300 schrieb Tim Schofield:
> Hi Mauri,
> 
> I would like to bring the work on integrating webERP into the 2.6
> branch. However this has some differences with the East African
> version (for instance billing), and so I think there needs to be some
> dialogue on where the links should occur, before starting this work.
> 
> Thanks
> Tim
> 
> 
> On 1 May 2010 11:08,   wrote:
> > Hello Everybody,
> > >From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted out.
> > Absar will make it with drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute.
> > Robert Meggle has been involved in the project since 2002 and is working
> > closely with release manager Gjergj Sheldija. They are key person on the
> > technical issues of the project.
> > There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to
> > contribute to the project as well.
> > Senthil brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the project and
> > reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers. I think this is now
> > priority no one. Please bring your ideas.
> > Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who have
> > recently expressed their willingnes to contribute:
> > Jess Peptio is a php developer from Philippines and is really interested
> > project im willing to work on the development, hopes to find hospital to
> > fund the project.
> >
> > Pepe Magaña is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache,
> > mysql,php) He wrote "Please just let me know what you need."
> > Frank TilugulilwaI is  willing to volunteer in some areas where he is
> > comfortable.
> > Enrique Valderrama is working on Medical and oftalmological small clinics
> > and hopes to have news about it soon.
> > Coolman mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain donations
> > to care2x. But I believe they have something to contibute in the software
> > development as well :-)
> > Vivek Kumar mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am interested in
> > their work or plans with with Care2x.
> > I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have also
> > mailed privately to some others, whom I know are working with Care2x, and
> > hope they bring their ideas and how they can contribute to the project.
> > Mauri
> >
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Tim Schofield]

Hi Mauri,

I would like to bring the work on integrating webERP into the 2.6
branch. However this has some differences with the East African
version (for instance billing), and so I think there needs to be some
dialogue on where the links should occur, before starting this work.

Thanks
Tim


On 1 May 2010 11:08,   wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
> >From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted out.
> Absar will make it with drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute.
> Robert Meggle has been involved in the project since 2002 and is working
> closely with release manager Gjergj Sheldija. They are key person on the
> technical issues of the project.
> There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to
> contribute to the project as well.
> Senthil brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the project and
> reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers. I think this is now
> priority no one. Please bring your ideas.
> Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who have
> recently expressed their willingnes to contribute:
> Jess Peptio is a php developer from Philippines and is really interested
> project im willing to work on the development, hopes to find hospital to
> fund the project.
>
> Pepe Magaña is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache,
> mysql,php) He wrote "Please just let me know what you need."
> Frank TilugulilwaI is  willing to volunteer in some areas where he is
> comfortable.
> Enrique Valderrama is working on Medical and oftalmological small clinics
> and hopes to have news about it soon.
> Coolman mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain donations
> to care2x. But I believe they have something to contibute in the software
> development as well :-)
> Vivek Kumar mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am interested in
> their work or plans with with Care2x.
> I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have also
> mailed privately to some others, whom I know are working with Care2x, and
> hope they bring their ideas and how they can contribute to the project.
> Mauri
>
>
>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[mauri . niemi]

Hello Everybody,

>From the mails I understand that Care2x webportal issue is sorted out. Absar 
>will make it with
drupal CMS and Pepito can contribute.

Robert Meggle has been involved in the project since 2002 and is working 
closely with
release manager Gjergj Sheldija. They are key person on the technical issues of 
the project.

There are others who have allready replied that they are willing to contribute 
to the project as
well.

Senthil brought his idea how to build a strong team to lead the project and 
reorganize the
mailing list team members and volunteers. I think this is now priority no one. 
Please bring
your ideas.

Then we can go ahead with software issues. I sum up here those who have recently
expressed their willingnes to contribute:

Jess Peptio is a php developer from Philippines and is really interested 
project im willing to
work on the development, hopes to find hospital to fund the project.
 
Pepe Magaña is a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache, 
mysql,php) He wrote
"Please just let me know what you need."

Frank TilugulilwaI is  willing to volunteer in some areas where he is 
comfortable.

Enrique Valderrama is working on Medical and oftalmological small clinics and 
hopes to
have news about it soon.

Coolman mailed that as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to 
care2x.
But I believe they have something to contibute in the software development as 
well :-)

Vivek Kumar mailed from Open Source Technology Center and I am interested in 
their work
or plans with with Care2x.

I think there are others reading this list who will come up. I have also mailed 
privately to some
others, whom I know are working with Care2x, and hope they bring their ideas 
and how they
can contribute to the project.

Mauri




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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Robert Meggle]

Hi Absar, 

wow! :-D That's great! 

Robert

Am Freitag, den 30.04.2010, 11:26 + schrieb Absar Ali:
> Dear Friends,
> 
> 
> I am in the process of making Care2x webportal, please hold your
> horses and give me 2 weeks. This portal will be on drupal.
> 
> the color theme from the website http://www.care2x.org
> enclosed please find the attached mockup design.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Absar.
> 
> 
> 
> > From: meg...@merotech.de
> > To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:33:00 +0200
> > Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> > 
> > Hi Pepe,
> > 
> > thank you for your mail! :-D
> > 
> > Well, currently I am working on an strange issue. We did on 2.6 some
> > change on the installer & session handling and can you please check
> if
> > that version on 2.6 svn trunk will work on your setting as well?
> > 
> > If not, can you please report the configuration (php, apache, linux
> > version) of your system?
> > 
> > Thank you very much
> > Robert
> > 
> > 
> > Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2010, 16:36 -0700 schrieb José Magaña
> Magaña:
> > > Hi to all
> > > 
> > > Just say what do you want to do and i am in
> > > 
> > > I am a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache,
> mysql,php)
> > > and i am CIO of Hospital General de Ensenada
> > > it's a small public hospital with 160 beds in Ensenada, Baja
> > > California México.
> > > 
> > > Please just let me know what you need.
> > > 
> > > Atte
> > > 
> > > Pepe Magaña
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> __
> > > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:27:22 -0700
> > > From: senthilru...@yahoo.com
> > > To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> > > 
> > > Hi Robert, 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your reply with details. 
> > > 
> > > I really found that most of responses received after my email were
> > > targeted on website than building strong team to lead the project
> and
> > > reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers. Website
> is
> > > for new ones to join with project and publish the project works.
> It is
> > > too important.
> > > 
> > > Regarding the template, i am not that expert on CMS
> > > template creation/web site design. However i could try in my free
> > > time.. Have you decided on any specific CMS product to use for web
> > > site? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > Senthil
> > > --- On Thu, 29/4/10, Robert Meggle  wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: Robert Meggle 
> > > Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> > > To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > Received: Thursday, 29 April, 2010, 5:40 PM
> > > 
> > > Hi Senthil,
> > > 
> > > Thank you very much for that powerful and encourage email.
> > > There is just a bit of that kind of work already done what we
> > > could
> > > use. 
> > > Gjgerj created some time ago a fancy wordpress page:
> > > http://care2x.wordpress.com/
> > > And Alvaro and/or Lopo a nice facebook group:
> > > http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=26104633286
> > > 
> > > Also there is a new trac what we might could use, you can
> > > reach it from
> > > the sf.net page to report/create Tickets.
> > > 
> > > What we would need would be a perfect website to publish all
> > > these kind
> > > of work and present it to all other in the world what we are
> > > doing, what
> > > care2x represent and how it is working. 
> > > 
> > > If you don't mind my asking if you could contribute to create
> > > a good
> > > website/template based on a cms for care2x.org?
> > > (Server/technical
> > > infrastructure we will provide)
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > Robert
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2010, 04:09 -0700 schrieb Senthil
> > > (Senthilruban, Puvanendran):
> > > > Hi Everyone
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Good to see new development on care2x. It is true that
> > > Care2x side
> > > > not much progress in past few years and hope that Elpidio's
> &

Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Robert Meggle]

Hi Pepe,

thank you for your mail! :-D

Well, currently I am working on an strange issue. We did on 2.6 some
change on the installer & session handling and can you please check if
that version on 2.6 svn trunk will work on your setting as well?

If not, can you please report the configuration (php, apache, linux
version) of your system?

Thank you very much
 Robert


Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2010, 16:36 -0700 schrieb José Magaña Magaña:
> Hi to all
>  
> Just say what do you want to do and i am in
>  
> I am a developer with strong skills on LAMP (linux, apache, mysql,php)
> and i am CIO of Hospital General de Ensenada
> it's a small public hospital with 160 beds in Ensenada, Baja
> California México.
>  
> Please just let me know what you need.
>  
> Atte
>  
> Pepe Magaña
>  
> 
> __
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:27:22 -0700
> From: senthilru...@yahoo.com
> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> 
> Hi Robert, 
>  
>Thanks for your reply with details. 
>   
>I really found that most of responses received after my email were
> targeted on website than building strong team to lead the project and
> reorganize the mailing list team members and volunteers. Website is
> for new ones to join with project and publish the project works. It is
> too important.
>  
>Regarding the template, i am not that expert on CMS
> template creation/web site design. However i could try in my free
> time.. Have you decided on any specific CMS product to use for web
> site? 
> 
> 
> Regards
> Senthil
> --- On Thu, 29/4/10, Robert Meggle  wrote:
> 
> From: Robert Meggle 
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Received: Thursday, 29 April, 2010, 5:40 PM
> 
> Hi Senthil,
> 
> Thank you very much for that powerful and encourage email.
> There is just a bit of that kind of work already done what we
> could
> use. 
> Gjgerj created some time ago a fancy wordpress page:
> http://care2x.wordpress.com/
> And Alvaro and/or Lopo a nice facebook group:
> http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=26104633286
> 
> Also there is a new trac what we might could use, you can
> reach it from
> the sf.net page to report/create Tickets.
> 
> What we would need would be a perfect website to publish all
> these kind
> of work and present it to all other in the world what we are
> doing, what
> care2x represent and how it is working. 
> 
> If you don't mind my asking if you could contribute to create
> a good
> website/template based on a cms for care2x.org?
> (Server/technical
> infrastructure we will provide)
> 
> Thanks
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2010, 04:09 -0700 schrieb Senthil
> (Senthilruban, Puvanendran):
> > Hi Everyone
> > 
> > 
> >   Good to see new development on care2x. It is true that
> Care2x side
> > not much progress in past few years and hope that Elpidio's
> decision
> > to handing over to Mauri will refresh the members and
> activate the
> > project again start with fresh energy.
> > 
> > 
> >   I have few suggestions on this other than discussion on
> > funding/donations.
> > 
> > 
> > 1. Managing the project by single person with covering all
> aspects are
> > really hard for long term. What i would prefer is make
> committee to
> > lead the project under Mauri. We need to focus on few fronts
> such
> > technical side, product management side and
> development/support side.
> > Good to have separate mail/discussion groups.
> > 
> > 
> > 2. Current user community needs to refresh with active team
> members,
> > like me many of the members were not active for long time. 
> > 
> > 
> > 3. Care2x website needs to improved with forums and get more
> > users involvement. 
> > 
> > 
> > 4. We need to get the list of all the care2x deployment all
>   

Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Robert Meggle]

Hi Jesse and Senthil,

Thank you very much for your contribution for that work! I will guide
and follow you as much it is possible and I am sure that also Gjergj
will join that special force :-D 

We should use a cms for that kind of website. My suggestion would be
drupal (http://drupal.org/) to use for these website. It is might be the
best option, but anybody could comment his idea as well.

I will create a different mailing list for that kind of project.  

If you agree, I will send you login/password for the server where this
website will be hosted later. 

The domain(s) will be pointed to this webspace when the transfer is
completed.

Thanks very much!
 Robert

p.s. Hey, Jesse, nice to have you on board again! :-D


Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2010, 16:14 -0700 schrieb Jess Pepito:
> Hello All,
> 
> In regards with the issue about the website i will volunteer to do the
> task for creating care2x website, i just need $15 back order the
> domain name, about the hosting there is no problem with that i can
> host it from the server of my friend.
> 
> 
> care2x.org
>  
> Backorder
> $15.99 SALE! 
> 
> All i just need are content for the site including images and logo
> then $15 for domain name or somebody buy this one and send the details
> to me. We will use CMS for the website using wordpress and a bug
> tracker system.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jess
> 
> 
> __
> From: Robert Meggle 
> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 8:10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> 
> Hi Senthil,
> 
> Thank you very much for that powerful and encourage email.
> There is just a bit of that kind of work already done what we could
> use. 
> Gjgerj created some time ago a fancy wordpress page:
> http://care2x.wordpress.com/
> And Alvaro and/or Lopo a nice facebook group:
> http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=26104633286
> 
> Also there is a new trac what we might could use, you can reach it
> from
> the sf.net page to report/create Tickets.
> 
> What we would need would be a perfect website to publish all these
> kind
> of work and present it to all other in the world what we are doing,
> what
> care2x represent and how it is working. 
> 
> If you don't mind my asking if you could contribute to create a good
> website/template based on a cms for care2x.org? (Server/technical
> infrastructure we will provide)
> 
> Thanks
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2010, 04:09 -0700 schrieb Senthil
> (Senthilruban, Puvanendran):
> > Hi Everyone
> > 
> > 
> >  Good to see new development on care2x. It is true that Care2x side
> > not much progress in past few years and hope that Elpidio's decision
> > to handing over to Mauri will refresh the members and activate the
> > project again start with fresh energy.
> > 
> > 
> >  I have few suggestions on this other than discussion on
> > funding/donations.
> > 
> > 
> > 1. Managing the project by single person with covering all aspects
> are
> > really hard for long term. What i would prefer is make committee to
> > lead the project under Mauri. We need to focus on few fronts such
> > technical side, product management side and development/support
> side.
> > Good to have separate mail/discussion groups.
> > 
> > 
> > 2. Current user community needs to refresh with active team members,
> > like me many of the members were not active for long time. 
> > 
> > 
> > 3. Care2x website needs to improved with forums and get more
> > users involvement. 
> > 
> > 
> > 4. We need to get the list of all the care2x deployment all over the
> > world and list them in website with details.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm happy share my time and support to this new initiative to bring
> > the project to more active and up to date to current requirements
> and
> > technologies
> > 
> > 
> > regards
> > Senthil
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 29/4/10, mauri.ni...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> >
> >From: mauri.ni...@gmail.com 
> >Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> >To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> >Received: Thursday, 29 April, 2010, 4:18 PM
> >
> >Hello Enrique,
> >
> >I have used PayPal for some purchases and it is cheaper than
> >transfering money between 
> >bank accounts. When I transfer money from Finland to Tanzania
> >between my accounts it 
> >   

Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[mauri . niemi]

Hi Senthil and All others,

Like Robert also mailed we should have a good website to give anybody who is 
interested  
about Care2x a good picture. The site should give info to laymen and also 
technical people 
where the project is now. That could link to facebook site and blog created by 
Gjergj. To have 
website is high priority now. It was there in the early years and is key to get 
things in track 
again.

I would not have taken the challenge from Elpidio if I would not have known 
people who are 
willing to share the tasks. To have a committee we need active people, who are 
really 
contributing to the project. I hope all who get this mail would mail back 
telling what they are 
willing to do for the project.

I have also tried to find new developers during the years but it is difficult 
to get people 
commited for longer time. Please use the contacts you have - for this we would 
also need a 
good website to demonstrate the project. 

To get info about Care2x in real hospitals/clinics has not been easy before. 
Hope that all 
reading this mail would respond letting others to know where Care2x is used in 
real world.

Mauri

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Date sent:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:09:59 -0700 (PDT)
From:   "Senthil \(Senthilruban, Puvanendran\)" 

To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject:    Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
Send reply to:  care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
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Hi Everyone Good to see new development on care2x. It is true that 
Care2x side not much progress in past few years and hope thatElpidio's 
decision to handing over toMauri will refresh the members and activate the 
project again start with fresh energy. 
I have few suggestions on this other than discussion on funding/donations. 
1. Managing the project by single person with covering all aspects are really 
hard for long term. What i would prefer is make committee to lead the 
project under Mauri. We need to focus on few fronts such technical side, 
product management side and development/support side. Good to 
haveseparatemail/discussion groups. 
2. Current user community needs to refresh with active team members, like 
me many of the members were not active for long time.
3. Care2x website needs to improved with forums and get more 
usersinvolvement.
4. We need to get the list of all the care2x deployment all over the world and 
list them in website with details. 
I'm happy share my time and support to this newinitiativeto bring the 
project to more active and up to date to current requirements and 
technologies 
regards 
Senthil





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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Robert Meggle]

Hi Senthil,

Thank you very much for that powerful and encourage email.
There is just a bit of that kind of work already done what we could
use. 
Gjgerj created some time ago a fancy wordpress page:
http://care2x.wordpress.com/
And Alvaro and/or Lopo a nice facebook group:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=26104633286

Also there is a new trac what we might could use, you can reach it from
the sf.net page to report/create Tickets.

What we would need would be a perfect website to publish all these kind
of work and present it to all other in the world what we are doing, what
care2x represent and how it is working. 

If you don't mind my asking if you could contribute to create a good
website/template based on a cms for care2x.org? (Server/technical
infrastructure we will provide)

Thanks
 Robert



Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2010, 04:09 -0700 schrieb Senthil
(Senthilruban, Puvanendran):
> Hi Everyone
> 
> 
>   Good to see new development on care2x. It is true that Care2x side
> not much progress in past few years and hope that Elpidio's decision
> to handing over to Mauri will refresh the members and activate the
> project again start with fresh energy.
> 
> 
>   I have few suggestions on this other than discussion on
> funding/donations.
> 
> 
> 1. Managing the project by single person with covering all aspects are
> really hard for long term. What i would prefer is make committee to
> lead the project under Mauri. We need to focus on few fronts such
> technical side, product management side and development/support side.
> Good to have separate mail/discussion groups.
> 
> 
> 2. Current user community needs to refresh with active team members,
> like me many of the members were not active for long time. 
> 
> 
> 3. Care2x website needs to improved with forums and get more
> users involvement. 
> 
> 
> 4. We need to get the list of all the care2x deployment all over the
> world and list them in website with details.
> 
> 
> I'm happy share my time and support to this new initiative to bring
> the project to more active and up to date to current requirements and
> technologies
> 
> 
> regards
> Senthil
> 
> --- On Thu, 29/4/10, mauri.ni...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> 
> From: mauri.ni...@gmail.com 
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Received: Thursday, 29 April, 2010, 4:18 PM
> 
> Hello Enrique,
> 
> I have used PayPal for some purchases and it is cheaper than
> transfering money between 
> bank accounts. When I transfer money from Finland to Tanzania
> between my accounts it 
> costs about 27EUR, but when I pay using Paypal it is like
> using credit card. Solutions can be 
> found for donations.
> But first of all we should have good idea what is the best way
> to use the money. It can be 
> used to cover the costs of hosting domains, but we would need
> a lot of donations if we would 
> pay somebody for the work like some other open source project
> are doing. Sofar all are 
> volunteers and be it so as long as this is small project.
> Different thing is when developers 
> customize and support hospitals or clinics. Hope many of you
> can find such customers and 
> hope all still bring the code back to other developers.
> 
> Mauri
> 
> 
>     ------ Original message ---
> Date sent:Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:19:08 -0500
> From:Enrique Valderrama 
> To:care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject:Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
> Send reply to:care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:care2002-developers-
> requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
> <mailto:care2002-developers-
> requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe>
> 
> From:
>   coolman coolx < href="mailto:coolma...@gmail.com";>coolma...@gmail.com>
> To:
>  href="mailto:care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net";>care2002-
> develop...@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject:   Re: 
> [Care2002-developers] Care2002-developers Digest, Vol 46,
>Issue 6
> 
> Helo Mauri,
> 
> I Think PayPal is an universal way of payment, so it's
> expensive.
> 
> 

Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Senthil (Senthilruban, Puvanendran)]

Hi Everyone
  Good to see new development on care2x. It is true that Care2x side not much 
progress in past few years and hope that Elpidio's decision to handing over 
to Mauri will refresh the members and activate the project again start with 
fresh energy.
  I have few suggestions on this other than discussion on funding/donations.
1. Managing the project by single person with covering all aspects are really 
hard for long term. What i would prefer is make committee to lead the project 
under Mauri. We need to focus on few fronts such technical side, product 
management side and development/support side. Good to 
have separate mail/discussion groups.
2. Current user community needs to refresh with active team members, like me 
many of the members were not active for long time. 
3. Care2x website needs to improved with forums and get more users involvement. 
4. We need to get the list of all the care2x deployment all over the world and 
list them in website with details.
I'm happy share my time and support to this new initiative to bring the project 
to more active and up to date to current requirements and technologies
regardsSenthil

--- On Thu, 29/4/10, mauri.ni...@gmail.com  wrote:

From: mauri.ni...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Received: Thursday, 29 April, 2010, 4:18 PM

Hello Enrique,

I have used PayPal for some purchases and it is cheaper than transfering money 
between 
bank accounts. When I transfer money from Finland to Tanzania between my 
accounts it 
costs about 27EUR, but when I pay using Paypal it is like using credit card. 
Solutions can be 
found for donations.
But first of all we should have good idea what is the best way to use the 
money. It can be 
used to cover the costs of hosting domains, but we would need a lot of 
donations if we would 
pay somebody for the work like some other open source project are doing. Sofar 
all are 
volunteers and be it so as long as this is small project. Different thing is 
when developers 
customize and support hospitals or clinics. Hope many of you can find such 
customers and 
hope all still bring the code back to other developers.

Mauri


-- Original message ---
Date sent:    Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:19:08 -0500
From:    Enrique Valderrama 
To:    care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject:    Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
Send reply to:    care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
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requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
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From:                    
  coolman coolx <mailto:coolma...@gmail.com";>coolma...@gmail.com>
To:                    
    mailto:care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net";>care2002-
develop...@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject:                   Re: 
[Care2002-developers] Care2002-developers Digest, Vol 46,
           Issue 6

Helo Mauri,

I Think PayPal is an universal way of payment, so it's expensive.

Maybe an account on an international bank like HSBC, Citybank or BBV.

I'm promoving use of Care2x in some Medical and oftalmological small clinics.

I hope have news about it soon.

2010/4/27 
    Hello Coolman,
    
    I am not commiting to Care2x but updating my system and have done it using 
mobile
    connection here in Tanzania, which is not fast (usually EDGE speed is 
connected) and 
    it
    works. I update using CVS from Robert's server in Germany and subversion 
from our 
    own
    local server. I have not tested subversion with sourceforce but all data is 
text format 
    and
    should work in quit slow lines.
    
    Thank you for your idea of donating. If we establish a channel for 
donations then it 
    must be
    100% transparent, money brings easily problems also in open source project. 
Also we 
    should
    have a good idea how to use it in a way that everybody feels it promotes 
Care2x. Good
    ideas??
    
    Mauri
    
    Date sent:       Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:16:30 +0100
    From:         coolman coolx 
    To:          care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
    Subject:        Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2002-developers Digest, Vol 
46,
       Issue 6
    Send reply to:     care2002-develop...@lists.sourceforge.net
       <mailto:care2002-developers-
    requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
       <mailto:care2002-developers-
    requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe>
    
    > Hello Mauri,
    >
    > Point on. For some of us, making back changes to the code can be
    > difficult because of poor internet connection here but we are looking
    > at ways to make code contributions even with the flaky connection that
    > we have.
    >
    > Also as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to care2x
    > for any lead cl

Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[mauri . niemi]

Hello Enrique,

I have used PayPal for some purchases and it is cheaper than transfering money 
between 
bank accounts. When I transfer money from Finland to Tanzania between my 
accounts it 
costs about 27EUR, but when I pay using Paypal it is like using credit card. 
Solutions can be 
found for donations.
But first of all we should have good idea what is the best way to use the 
money. It can be 
used to cover the costs of hosting domains, but we would need a lot of 
donations if we would 
pay somebody for the work like some other open source project are doing. Sofar 
all are 
volunteers and be it so as long as this is small project. Different thing is 
when developers 
customize and support hospitals or clinics. Hope many of you can find such 
customers and 
hope all still bring the code back to other developers.

Mauri


-- Original message ---
Date sent:  Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:19:08 -0500
From:   Enrique Valderrama 
To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject:Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future
Send reply to:  care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
<mailto:care2002-developers-
requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
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requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe>

From:                   
  coolman coolx <mailto:coolma...@gmail.com";>coolma...@gmail.com>
To:                 
    mailto:care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net";>care2002-
develop...@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject:               Re: 
[Care2002-developers] Care2002-developers Digest, Vol 46,
       Issue 6

Helo Mauri,

I Think PayPal is an universal way of payment, so it's expensive.

Maybe an account on an international bank like HSBC, Citybank or BBV.

I'm promoving use of Care2x in some Medical and oftalmological small clinics.

I hope have news about it soon.

2010/4/27 
Hello Coolman,

I am not commiting to Care2x but updating my system and have done it using 
mobile
connection here in Tanzania, which is not fast (usually EDGE speed is 
connected) and 
it
works. I update using CVS from Robert's server in Germany and subversion 
from our 
own
local server. I have not tested subversion with sourceforce but all data is 
text format 
and
should work in quit slow lines.

Thank you for your idea of donating. If we establish a channel for 
donations then it 
must be
100% transparent, money brings easily problems also in open source project. 
Also we 
should
have a good idea how to use it in a way that everybody feels it promotes 
Care2x. Good
ideas??

Mauri

Date sent:   Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:16:30 +0100
From: coolman coolx 
To:  care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject:Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2002-developers Digest, Vol 
46,
   Issue 6
Send reply to: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
   <mailto:care2002-developers-
requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
   <mailto:care2002-developers-
requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe>

> Hello Mauri,
>
> Point on. For some of us, making back changes to the code can be
> difficult because of poor internet connection here but we are looking
> at ways to make code contributions even with the flaky connection that
> we have.
>
> Also as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to care2x
> for any lead closed. This, we hope can keep the project going.
>
> Now, the problem is, is there any such channel where one can give
> donations?
>
> I look forward to a very new and sustained beginning for care2x.
>
> Regards to all.
>
> On 4/27/10, care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
>  wrote:
> > Send Care2002-developers mailing list submissions to
> >   care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >   https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >   care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> >   care2002-developers-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Care2002-developers digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >  1. Future of care2x (mauri.ni...@gmail.com)
> >
> >
> >

Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Enrique Valderrama]

Helo Mauri,

I Think PayPal is an universal way of payment, so it's expensive.

Maybe an account on an international bank like HSBC, Citybank or BBV.

I'm promoving use of Care2x in some Medical and oftalmological small
clinics.

I hope have news about it soon.

2010/4/27 

> Hello Coolman,
>
> I am not commiting to Care2x but updating my system and have done it using
> mobile
> connection here in Tanzania, which is not fast (usually EDGE speed is
> connected) and it
> works. I update using CVS from Robert's server in Germany and subversion
> from our own
> local server. I have not tested subversion with sourceforce but all data is
> text format and
> should work in quit slow lines.
>
> Thank you for your idea of donating. If we establish a channel for
> donations then it must be
> 100% transparent, money brings easily problems also in open source project.
> Also we should
> have a good idea how to use it in a way that everybody feels it promotes
> Care2x. Good
> ideas??
>
> Mauri
>
> Date sent:  Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:16:30 +0100
> From:   coolman coolx 
> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject:Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2002-developers
> Digest, Vol 46,
>Issue 6
> Send reply to:  care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
> requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe>
>
> > Hello Mauri,
> >
> > Point on. For some of us, making back changes to the code can be
> > difficult because of poor internet connection here but we are looking
> > at ways to make code contributions even with the flaky connection that
> > we have.
> >
> > Also as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to care2x
> > for any lead closed. This, we hope can keep the project going.
> >
> > Now, the problem is, is there any such channel where one can give
> > donations?
> >
> > I look forward to a very new and sustained beginning for care2x.
> >
> > Regards to all.
> >
> > On 4/27/10, care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
> >  wrote:
> > > Send Care2002-developers mailing list submissions to
> > > care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >
> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > > care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >
> > > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > > care2002-developers-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >
> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > > than "Re: Contents of Care2002-developers digest..."
> > >
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >1. Future of care2x (mauri.ni...@gmail.com)
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > --
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:03:15 +0300
> > > From: mauri.ni...@gmail.com
> > > Subject: [Care2002-developers] Future of care2x
> > > To: care2002-developers 
> > > Message-ID: <4bd5c753.982.3a6d5...@mauri.niemi.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > Thank you for Elpidio for his great vision to start a system like
> > > Care2x and for his work during the years to build it. Thank you also
> > > for trusting me to take over his role. When I found Care2x there was
> > > bigger group of people with different ideas and at the moment the
> > > team is quite small. Many have built their own version and we do not
> > > know how many versions there are in real hospital or clinical use.
> > > Some have given up.
> > >
> > > Requirements are often so different that it is not easy to build and
> > > use only one version. The competition in Europe and USA and maybe
> > > even India is so hard and it is not easy to bring a new system to
> > > the market where there are resources to use proprietaty softwares.
> > > That may be the reason that most developers in this list are from
> > > countries where expensive systems are not real option.
> > >
> > > I hope we could build a team big enough to make a competetive
> > > software at least to the markets with less resources. IMPORTANT
> > > THING IS THAT EVERYBODY IS SHARING HIS WORK SO THAT WE GET CRITICAL
> > > MASS OF DEVELOPERS AND TEAMS. Pepito wrote that without earning it
> > > is difficult to continue- which is true. Also it is the other way,
> > > if we do not work to get good software we cannot earn money from it
> > > by giving support for local implementation. I think each one of us
> > > should look for partners and funds to be able to work on the
> > > software and also implementation of it.  It is in the interest of
> > > funding partners to get a transparent system in place. It saves
> > > money more than they invest i

Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x future

[Robert Meggle]

Hi Coolman and others,

I know about the issue of bandwith for some countries and that
sourceforge.net had last years a lack especially on that corner (slow
and definetly not sadisfying me when I am working on a project).

We realized it in a way like Mauri described: We set up an local cvs
server, now an svn (but doesn't matter), to work on a project step.
After a milestone I used rsync and svn to commit it back to sf.net. If
anyone was interested about the intermediate steps or developer's
edition they got it always. 

The more issue about my experience during all these years was not the
availability or the internet speed, it was more the lack of "how to use
svn" and the fear that something could be done wrong and other would be
disturbed by this commitment. For that I can just say, that it would not
any issue. Care2x and its conception was from the beginning with the
vision that all user will able to commit (in spite of other OSS
porjects, where just a view people can commit). The idea is: By building
a critical mass of contribution there are coming good ideas back to the
project.  

btw... the speed of sf.net is much better than some time ago. Maybe they
improved something, I don't know. 

Contributions could also been done not in coding way, it could also been
done in reporting bugs, committing new requirement/specification needs
and much more. I do understand that there is the existing impression
that when a company committing their work that they could be the risk of
others to use this work and getting own profit out of your work. But on
the other way, exactely that would be the way to avoid it (because why
should a new client pay for a work what they could have even for free). 

The other aspect of a - let say - reserved way of committing even ideas
to this developer's list was a really rude tone some time ago here.
Please also here: Don't care so much about. Even for me, I am not a
English native speaker, I just use english here like a developer do: A
communication interface language, not more. If the information what
anyone here want to tell is understood, then a developer's list is used
as it is concepted: A platform to exchange ideas, to discuss about
realisation, a exchange point where user meet developer. 

I remember well that some time ago one really active member of this list
complained to us (as admin's) that all his ideas was scattered down by
rude tones - but hey.. this is a developer's list. Just write down what
you think and even scattered ideas (including quick own change of mind)
are allowed and warm welcome here.  

Robert
 

Am Dienstag, den 27.04.2010, 20:43 +0300 schrieb mauri.ni...@gmail.com:
> Hello Coolman,
> 
> I am not commiting to Care2x but updating my system and have done it using 
> mobile 
> connection here in Tanzania, which is not fast (usually EDGE speed is 
> connected) and it 
> works. I update using CVS from Robert's server in Germany and subversion from 
> our own 
> local server. I have not tested subversion with sourceforce but all data is 
> text format and 
> should work in quit slow lines. 
> 
> Thank you for your idea of donating. If we establish a channel for donations 
> then it must be 
> 100% transparent, money brings easily problems also in open source project. 
> Also we should 
> have a good idea how to use it in a way that everybody feels it promotes 
> Care2x. Good 
> ideas?? 
> 
> Mauri
> 
> Date sent:Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:16:30 +0100
> From: coolman coolx 
> To:   care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject:  Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2002-developers Digest, 
> Vol 46,
>   Issue 6
> Send reply to:care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
>    requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
>    requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe>
> 
> > Hello Mauri,
> > 
> > Point on. For some of us, making back changes to the code can be
> > difficult because of poor internet connection here but we are looking
> > at ways to make code contributions even with the flaky connection that
> > we have.
> > 
> > Also as a company, we have decided to make certain donations to care2x
> > for any lead closed. This, we hope can keep the project going.
> > 
> > Now, the problem is, is there any such channel where one can give
> > donations?
> > 
> > I look forward to a very new and sustained beginning for care2x.
> > 
> > Regards to all.
> > 
> > On 4/27/10, care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
> >  wrote:
> > > Send Care2002-developers mailing list submissions to
> > >   care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >
> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x Future Specifications - an old paper gets new life?

[Elpidio Latorilla]

Hi,

yes, I agree. Let us start referring to this document to give us a common 
ground. Of course it should not be taken as a dogma but at least one can try 
to say "as per page xxx of the document, it should look like  this and 
this".

Thanks a lot for reminding us again about this document.

Does anybody have a good "connection" to WHO persons or entities?

I am also interested to find any document that explores the idea of a global 
PID, how it should be designed, dimensioned, etc. If there is no substantial 
work done yet on this, then we just do it the "care2x way", that is we "just 
do it".

Regards,
elpidio

On Monday 08 March 2004 12:23, J. Antas wrote:
> In order to we all understand each other and start talking about the
> same things, I propose the adoption of that guide as the specifications
> guide for the Care2x project. For the sake of clarity lets try, in the
> future, to refer to each of the Care2x specs by also stating those
> numbers (and the page were they may be found).



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