Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk

2014-06-16 Thread Dave Nutter
Good point about the primary barring showing at the molt. If the slaty color of 
the wing linings and underside of the body  head is true, not just reddish 
which appears so dark because it's dull, backlit, and distant (as our usual 
Broad-wingeds appear gray instead of pink on the breast when high overhead), 
then I must admit that Zone-tailed seems possible. I think Red-shouldered, 
although darker than Broad-winged, shouldn't be so extensively dark, either. 
I'm just not familiar enough with Zone-tailed to be confident. 

--Dave Nutter


On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Rbakelaar rbakel...@aol.com wrote:

 The photos seem to demonstrate barring on the primaries, more so than I would 
 expect on even a dark phase Broad-wing.  The molted out feather allows this 
 characteristic to be seen somewhat well.  This bird's proportions seem to 
 weigh against B-wing too.  The wings seem long and narrow, with only a slight 
 bulge of the secondaries.  Tail seems long as we'll.  The photos also seem to 
 show a black body.

 Any of our resident experts care to weigh in?

 Ryan.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 15, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com wrote:

 I couldn't reconcile the red tail of photo 1 with the black and white 
 stripes of photo 3, even though I have seen various effects of looking 
 through backlit feathers. The reason I didn't say Red-shouldered Hawk is 
 that the white tail-band appeared too wide to me (but this may be a focus 
 issue, or may judgement may be wrong), and the white mark in the otherwise 
 even-colored primaries appears to me due to a molted missing feather on each 
 side, not a window across the primaries. The reason I said the only 
 species of Buteo around here is that Zone-tailed Hawk is way out of range, 
 and also is less familiar to me. My guess was that Zone-tailed would not 
 look so pale on the flight feathers of the wings. I am open to correction on 
 all points.
 --Dave Nutter

 On Jun 15, 2014, at 08:28 PM, Sandy Podulka s...@cornell.edu wrote:

 As you know, I'm really just a beginner at hawks.. but...  What about a 
 Red-shouldered Hawk?  It's got the white windows and the banded tail. The 
 reddish appearance of the tail could just be sunlight shining through 
 brownish feathers, which can really play tricks on the eye. It seems like 
 the distribution of light and dark on the underside of the wings matches 
 that of Red-shouldered Hawk.

 Sandy

 At 08:09 PM 6/15/2014, Ann Mitchell wrote:
 I agree with Dave regarding a Broad-winged Hawk. Ann Mitchell

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com wrote:

 I am NOT an authority on raptors, but that has never stopped me from 
 commenting before, so here's my guess:

 I think the first blurry photo looks like a dark type of Red-tailed Hawk 
 more typically found out west.

 I think the second and third photos are of a different bird with a 
 feather missing from primaries on each side. The only species of Buteo 
 around here with such a wide bold white stripe in the tail is 
 Broad-winged Hawk, which also shows a black outline to the ends of the 
 flight feathers on the entire wing, as seen in the third photo. However, 
 dark-type Broad-winged Hawks are rare, and the wing shape looks too long 
 and rounded to me, so I'm not at all confident. I hope someone who really 
 knows what they are talking about has a look at your photos and sets me 
 straight.

 --Dave
 Nutter

 On Jun 15, 2014, at 03:23 PM, Ray Zimmerman r...@cornell.edu wrote:

 Today around 12:30pm as I stepped outside (in Eastern Heights, Ithaca) the 
 call of red-tailed hawk caught my attention and I quickly spotted it 
 circling overhead. As I grabbed my binoculars, I soon realized that it was 
 a very unusual red-tail (at least very different from the one’s I’m 
 used to seeing). As you can see from very bad photos linked below, it was 
 quit dark below.

 So is this a western bird, or is this just a variation I haven’t seen 
 around here before?

 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t7pw5hoifjpzeey/AABcyimp4JipHTo8DwZc0r8-a

 — Ray

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk

2014-06-16 Thread Chris R. Pelkie
I’m hoping Chris Wood or someone who has birded the desert Southwest will take 
a look.

I did some research after Ryan’s post and find the Zone-tailed Hawk a 
fascinating possibility which does seem to match many images I find online (in 
Hawkwatch sites, not generic and untrustworthy Google Images). That said, there 
are healthy debates among SW hawkwatchers trying to distinguish ZTHA from black 
phase Short-tailed Hawk. ZTHA is an interesting critter as it has evolved to 
mimic Turkey Vulture in shape, color, and behavior: circling lazily (even with 
TUVU flocks) but then able to pounce from 100m on witless prey thinking they 
were just seeing TUVUs overhead.

Ray’s latter 2 pics look much more like TUVU or ZTHA than the many pics I find 
of dark phase Broad-wing though naturally I agree the latter is far more likely 
in the NE. However, the reports of errant ZTHA mean we have to consider this. I 
discount the value of color in out-of-focus images (having taken hundreds of 
them) as chromatic effects creep in when the lens bends all those rays into 
blobs, so the first image is not really helpful.

I agree the windows appear to be missing primaries. I just don’t think the 
overall wing shape / aspect ratio looks like soaring BWHA, nor shows the wrist 
bend often seen (but not always) in flight. BWHA wing says “Big D” to me; these 
images show a much more stretched out shape.

That said, I have never seen a ZTHA but would love to! Hope it settles in with 
the neighborhood TUVUs and reappears for us!

Thanks to Ray and Ryan for turning me on to a new species!

ChrisP
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IT Support Assistant
Bioacoustics Research Program
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850

On Jun 16, 2014, at 04:31, Dave Nutter 
nutter.d...@me.commailto:nutter.d...@me.com wrote:

Good point about the primary barring showing at the molt. If the slaty color of 
the wing linings and underside of the body  head is true, not just reddish 
which appears so dark because it's dull, backlit, and distant (as our usual 
Broad-wingeds appear gray instead of pink on the breast when high overhead), 
then I must admit that Zone-tailed seems possible. I think Red-shouldered, 
although darker than Broad-winged, shouldn't be so extensively dark, either. 
I'm just not familiar enough with Zone-tailed to be confident.

--Dave Nutter

On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Rbakelaar 
rbakel...@aol.commailto:rbakel...@aol.com wrote:

The photos seem to demonstrate barring on the primaries, more so than I would 
expect on even a dark phase Broad-wing.  The molted out feather allows this 
characteristic to be seen somewhat well.  This bird's proportions seem to weigh 
against B-wing too.  The wings seem long and narrow, with only a slight bulge 
of the secondaries.  Tail seems long as we'll.  The photos also seem to show a 
black body.

Any of our resident experts care to weigh in?

Ryan.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Dave Nutter 
nutter.d...@me.commailto:nutter.d...@me.com wrote:

I couldn't reconcile the red tail of photo 1 with the black and white stripes 
of photo 3, even though I have seen various effects of looking through backlit 
feathers. The reason I didn't say Red-shouldered Hawk is that the white 
tail-band appeared too wide to me (but this may be a focus issue, or may 
judgement may be wrong), and the white mark in the otherwise even-colored 
primaries appears to me due to a molted missing feather on each side, not a 
window across the primaries. The reason I said the only species of Buteo 
around here is that Zone-tailed Hawk is way out of range, and also is less 
familiar to me. My guess was that Zone-tailed would not look so pale on the 
flight feathers of the wings. I am open to correction on all points.

--Dave Nutter

On Jun 15, 2014, at 08:28 PM, Sandy Podulka 
s...@cornell.edumailto:s...@cornell.edu wrote:

As you know, I'm really just a beginner at hawks.. but...  What about a 
Red-shouldered Hawk?  It's got the white windows and the banded tail. The 
reddish appearance of the tail could just be sunlight shining through brownish 
feathers, which can really play tricks on the eye. It seems like the 
distribution of light and dark on the underside of the wings matches that of 
Red-shouldered Hawk.

Sandy

At 08:09 PM 6/15/2014, Ann Mitchell wrote:
I agree with Dave regarding a Broad-winged Hawk. Ann Mitchell

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Dave Nutter 
nutter.d...@me.commailto:nutter.d...@me.com wrote:

I am NOT an authority on raptors, but that has never stopped me from commenting 
before, so here's my guess:

I think the first blurry photo looks like a dark type of Red-tailed Hawk more 
typically found out west.

I think the second and third photos are of a different bird with a feather 
missing from primaries on each side. The only species of Buteo around here with 
such a wide bold white stripe in the tail is Broad-winged Hawk, which 

[cayugabirds-l] Cayuta Outlet Acadian

2014-06-16 Thread Geo Kloppel
I walked down the Cayuta Outlet gorge this morning, looking for the usual 
specialties. Canada Warblers, Hermit Thrushes, Blue-headed Vireos, etcetera. I 
didn't find any Winter Wrens, but I feel sure there must be some...

On the way downstream I also found no Acadian Flycatcher, which didn't much 
surprise me as I've struck out repeatedly there in recent years, and figured 
they had abandoned the Cayuta Gulf. 

I turned around at the black locust truss bridge constructed by Cornell 
Engineering students (which is about due for rebuilding, I think), and headed 
upstream again. Approximately 1,000 meters below the head of the gorge, I found 
an ACADIAN FLYCATCHER singing, possibly in response to the penetration of 
sunshine, which doesn't really reach the floor of the shady gorge until 9:00 am.

-Geo Kloppel
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk

2014-06-16 Thread Gary Kohlenberg
Ray,
I think arguments could be made for a couple species / morphs based on the 
backlit photos, and I have my opinion, but as you heard the bird call my bet 
would be whatever the vocalization indicates. I don’t know if you are solid on 
the calls, but to my ear the Broad-winged “p-s” and juvenile Red-tail 
squeals can sound similar. Red-shouldered Hawks sound completely different and 
the unlikely Zone-tailed even more so.

Gary


From: bounce-116290980-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-116290980-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Nutter
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 4:32 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk

Good point about the primary barring showing at the molt. If the slaty color of 
the wing linings and underside of the body  head is true, not just reddish 
which appears so dark because it's dull, backlit, and distant (as our usual 
Broad-wingeds appear gray instead of pink on the breast when high overhead), 
then I must admit that Zone-tailed seems possible. I think Red-shouldered, 
although darker than Broad-winged, shouldn't be so extensively dark, either. 
I'm just not familiar enough with Zone-tailed to be confident.

--Dave Nutter

On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Rbakelaar 
rbakel...@aol.commailto:rbakel...@aol.com wrote:
The photos seem to demonstrate barring on the primaries, more so than I would 
expect on even a dark phase Broad-wing.  The molted out feather allows this 
characteristic to be seen somewhat well.  This bird's proportions seem to weigh 
against B-wing too.  The wings seem long and narrow, with only a slight bulge 
of the secondaries.  Tail seems long as we'll.  The photos also seem to show a 
black body.

Any of our resident experts care to weigh in?

Ryan.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Dave Nutter 
nutter.d...@me.commailto:nutter.d...@me.com wrote:
I couldn't reconcile the red tail of photo 1 with the black and white stripes 
of photo 3, even though I have seen various effects of looking through backlit 
feathers. The reason I didn't say Red-shouldered Hawk is that the white 
tail-band appeared too wide to me (but this may be a focus issue, or may 
judgement may be wrong), and the white mark in the otherwise even-colored 
primaries appears to me due to a molted missing feather on each side, not a 
window across the primaries. The reason I said the only species of Buteo 
around here is that Zone-tailed Hawk is way out of range, and also is less 
familiar to me. My guess was that Zone-tailed would not look so pale on the 
flight feathers of the wings. I am open to correction on all points.

--Dave Nutter

On Jun 15, 2014, at 08:28 PM, Sandy Podulka 
s...@cornell.edumailto:s...@cornell.edu wrote:
As you know, I'm really just a beginner at hawks.. but...  What about a 
Red-shouldered Hawk?  It's got the white windows and the banded tail. The 
reddish appearance of the tail could just be sunlight shining through brownish 
feathers, which can really play tricks on the eye. It seems like the 
distribution of light and dark on the underside of the wings matches that of 
Red-shouldered Hawk.

Sandy

At 08:09 PM 6/15/2014, Ann Mitchell wrote:

I agree with Dave regarding a Broad-winged Hawk. Ann Mitchell

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Dave Nutter 
nutter.d...@me.commailto:nutter.d...@me.com wrote:


I am NOT an authority on raptors, but that has never stopped me from commenting 
before, so here's my guess:

I think the first blurry photo looks like a dark type of Red-tailed Hawk more 
typically found out west.

I think the second and third photos are of a different bird with a feather 
missing from primaries on each side. The only species of Buteo around here with 
such a wide bold white stripe in the tail is Broad-winged Hawk, which also 
shows a black outline to the ends of the flight feathers on the entire wing, as 
seen in the third photo. However, dark-type Broad-winged Hawks are rare, and 
the wing shape looks too long and rounded to me, so I'm not at all confident. I 
hope someone who really knows what they are talking about has a look at your 
photos and sets me straight.

--Dave

Nutter

On Jun 15, 2014, at 03:23 PM, Ray Zimmerman 
r...@cornell.edumailto:r...@cornell.edu wrote:


Today around 12:30pm as I stepped outside (in Eastern Heights, Ithaca) the call 
of red-tailed hawk caught my attention and I quickly spotted it circling 
overhead. As I grabbed my binoculars, I soon realized that it was a very 
unusual red-tail (at least very different from the one’s I’m used to 
seeing). As you can see from very bad photos linked below, it was quit dark 
below.

So is this a western bird, or is this just a variation I haven’t seen around 
here before?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t7pw5hoifjpzeey/AABcyimp4JipHTo8DwZc0r8-a

— Ray

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Cayuta Outlet Acadian

2014-06-16 Thread Bill Evans
I don't recall there ever being more than a pair in the Cayuta Gulf, but 
back in the early 90s there were 2-3 pairs in the Hendershot Gulf, a bit 
further down to the southeast.  Outside of those territories, I recall only 
2 other sites at Conn Hill where Acadian was known to nest.


Bill E

-Original Message- 
From: Geo Kloppel

Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 10:29 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Cayuta Outlet Acadian

I walked down the Cayuta Outlet gorge this morning, looking for the usual 
specialties. Canada Warblers, Hermit Thrushes, Blue-headed Vireos, etcetera. 
I didn't find any Winter Wrens, but I feel sure there must be some...


On the way downstream I also found no Acadian Flycatcher, which didn't much 
surprise me as I've struck out repeatedly there in recent years, and figured 
they had abandoned the Cayuta Gulf.


I turned around at the black locust truss bridge constructed by Cornell 
Engineering students (which is about due for rebuilding, I think), and 
headed upstream again. Approximately 1,000 meters below the head of the 
gorge, I found an ACADIAN FLYCATCHER singing, possibly in response to the 
penetration of sunshine, which doesn't really reach the floor of the shady 
gorge until 9:00 am.


-Geo Kloppel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Cayuta Outlet Acadian

2014-06-16 Thread Geo Kloppel
Yeah, I'd like to check Hendershot Gulf again, before the singing shuts down.

-Geo 

On Jun 16, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Bill Evans wrev...@clarityconnect.com wrote:

 I don't recall there ever being more than a pair in the Cayuta Gulf, but back 
 in the early 90s there were 2-3 pairs in the Hendershot Gulf, a bit further 
 down to the southeast.  Outside of those territories, I recall only 2 other 
 sites at Conn Hill where Acadian was known to nest.
 
 Bill E
 
 -Original Message- From: Geo Kloppel
 Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 10:29 AM
 To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
 Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Cayuta Outlet Acadian
 
 I walked down the Cayuta Outlet gorge this morning, looking for the usual 
 specialties. Canada Warblers, Hermit Thrushes, Blue-headed Vireos, etcetera. 
 I didn't find any Winter Wrens, but I feel sure there must be some...
 
 On the way downstream I also found no Acadian Flycatcher, which didn't much 
 surprise me as I've struck out repeatedly there in recent years, and figured 
 they had abandoned the Cayuta Gulf.
 
 I turned around at the black locust truss bridge constructed by Cornell 
 Engineering students (which is about due for rebuilding, I think), and headed 
 upstream again. Approximately 1,000 meters below the head of the gorge, I 
 found an ACADIAN FLYCATCHER singing, possibly in response to the penetration 
 of sunshine, which doesn't really reach the floor of the shady gorge until 
 9:00 am.
 
 -Geo Kloppel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk

2014-06-16 Thread John Greenly
I have watched Zone-tailed in the SW, and they really do fly like Turkey 
Vultures.  Everything I can see in the third picture does look very consistent 
with Zone-tailed (except for one thing), but if you didn't notice the flight 
style, it probably isn't one.  The one thing is the shape of the wing trailing 
edge- it's a little bit bulged in the secondaries and somewhat pinched in at 
the body, whereas Zone-tailed usually looks very straight- see for instance the 
photo on the Wikipedia page of a Zone-tailed from almost the same perspective 
as your third picture.  Was the bird flapping when you took the second picture- 
I would expect more dihedral for soaring Zone-tailed. I absolutely agree about 
the first picture- the apparent color is false, due to out-of-focus chromatic 
aberration.

 If it's a B-wing, it's doing an amazing job of disguising itself: shape and 
proportions don't look right at all.  The tail banding pattern is very clearly 
visible, and not right for Red-shouldered. The sound of Zone-tailed call is 
more pure whistle- less screechy or scratchy- than Red-Tailed, but not so 
terribly different if you're not paying close attention.  But, would a 
solitary, lost Zone-tailed be likely to be calling at all?  

Interesting! But I'm definitely no expert.

--John Greenly


On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gary Kohlenberg wrote:

 Ray,
 I think arguments could be made for a couple species / morphs based on the 
 backlit photos, and I have my opinion, but as you heard the bird call my bet 
 would be whatever the vocalization indicates. I don’t know if you are solid 
 on the calls, but to my ear the Broad-winged “p-s” and juvenile Red-tail 
 squeals can sound similar. Red-shouldered Hawks sound completely different 
 and the unlikely Zone-tailed even more so.
  
 Gary
  
  
 From: bounce-116290980-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
 [mailto:bounce-116290980-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Nutter
 Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 4:32 AM
 To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
 Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk
  
 Good point about the primary barring showing at the molt. If the slaty color 
 of the wing linings and underside of the body  head is true, not just 
 reddish which appears so dark because it's dull, backlit, and distant (as our 
 usual Broad-wingeds appear gray instead of pink on the breast when high 
 overhead), then I must admit that Zone-tailed seems possible. I think 
 Red-shouldered, although darker than Broad-winged, shouldn't be so 
 extensively dark, either. I'm just not familiar enough with Zone-tailed to be 
 confident. 
 --Dave Nutter
 
 On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Rbakelaar rbakel...@aol.com wrote:
 
 The photos seem to demonstrate barring on the primaries, more so than I would 
 expect on even a dark phase Broad-wing.  The molted out feather allows this 
 characteristic to be seen somewhat well.  This bird's proportions seem to 
 weigh against B-wing too.  The wings seem long and narrow, with only a slight 
 bulge of the secondaries.  Tail seems long as we'll.  The photos also seem to 
 show a black body.
  
 Any of our resident experts care to weigh in?
  
 Ryan.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 15, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com wrote:
 
 I couldn't reconcile the red tail of photo 1 with the black and white stripes 
 of photo 3, even though I have seen various effects of looking through 
 backlit feathers. The reason I didn't say Red-shouldered Hawk is that the 
 white tail-band appeared too wide to me (but this may be a focus issue, or 
 may judgement may be wrong), and the white mark in the otherwise even-colored 
 primaries appears to me due to a molted missing feather on each side, not a 
 window across the primaries. The reason I said the only species of Buteo 
 around here is that Zone-tailed Hawk is way out of range, and also is less 
 familiar to me. My guess was that Zone-tailed would not look so pale on the 
 flight feathers of the wings. I am open to correction on all points.
 --Dave Nutter
 
 On Jun 15, 2014, at 08:28 PM, Sandy Podulka s...@cornell.edu wrote:
 
 As you know, I'm really just a beginner at hawks.. but...  What about a 
 Red-shouldered Hawk?  It's got the white windows and the banded tail. The 
 reddish appearance of the tail could just be sunlight shining through 
 brownish feathers, which can really play tricks on the eye. It seems like the 
 distribution of light and dark on the underside of the wings matches that of 
 Red-shouldered Hawk.
 
 Sandy
 
 At 08:09 PM 6/15/2014, Ann Mitchell wrote:
 
 I agree with Dave regarding a Broad-winged Hawk. Ann Mitchell
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com wrote:
 
 
 I am NOT an authority on raptors, but that has never stopped me from 
 commenting before, so here's my guess: 
 
 I think the first blurry photo looks like a dark type of Red-tailed Hawk more 
 typically found out west. 
 
 I think the second and third photos are of a 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk (zone-tailed hawk?)

2014-06-16 Thread Ray Zimmerman
Thanks everyone for the helpful discussion and sorry for my silence (busy with 
life). Here’s a bit more information. First of all, I’ve added a few more 
photos, of even worse quality :-/  Here’s an updated link …

   https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nm25xfhyarydgxg/AAAvRHHfszKtNmiLRVoy-LYWa

To recap, with a bit more detail. I first heard the bird vocalize, and to me it 
sounded like a completely classical red-tail sound. I quickly located the bird 
with my naked eye (90% sure it was the same bird). I did not see any other 
raptors or TVs in the area. I stepped inside the garage to grab binoculars from 
the car (15 secs or so), quickly relocated the bird and began observing, still 
assuming “red-tail”. What I noticed first was the dark underside. I observed 
through the binoculars for a few minutes before asking my wife to go grab my 
son’s camera. As I continued watching, it vocalized again. Up until this point, 
I was still certain it was an unusually dark red-tail. I thought that I saw red 
on the upper side of the tail a few times, but I’d put about 50% confidence on 
that statement.

When my wife brought the camera, before I began taking pictures, my view of the 
bird was blocked momentarily by some trees. When it emerged from behind the 
trees I began snapping pictures. I’d say I’m at least 90% sure that the bird I 
was observing through the binoculars, that I heard vocalizing, and the one I 
got pictures of are the same bird. I’m 99% sure there was only 1 bird in the 
area while I was snapping pictures. I.e. they are all of the same bird, 
including the one that looks like the tail is reddish.

I’ve seen broad-winged hawks (though not dark morph), and I’m nearly certain it 
was not a broad-wing. The wings and tail seemed too long to me and the shape 
and flight style just didn’t seem right either. The vocalization sounded 
nothing like the recordings I’ve heard of broad-wings. I’ve never seen a 
zone-tailed hawk, but that does seem to be the one that matches best with what 
I saw. I don’t recall that I ever saw it flap, but I do remember thinking that 
it held it’s wings in a slight V and that there was something else about the 
way it flew that seemed “different” (helpful, right? I know). The vocalization, 
however, sounded more classical red-tail than the recordings I’ve heard of the 
zone-tailed hawk.

Afterward, I was very sorry I didn’t have a better camera and that the 
autofocus had done such a poor job on so many of my shots. I thought I’d taken 
plenty that I’d have multiple good ones to help with the ID.

Based on the comments and my own looking at photos, listening to sounds, etc. 
I’m leaning pretty strongly toward zone-tailed hawk, but would love to hear any 
further comments.

Ray


On Jun 16, 2014, at 11:32 AM, John Greenly j...@cornell.edu wrote:

 I have watched Zone-tailed in the SW, and they really do fly like Turkey 
 Vultures.  Everything I can see in the third picture does look very 
 consistent with Zone-tailed (except for one thing), but if you didn't notice 
 the flight style, it probably isn't one.  The one thing is the shape of the 
 wing trailing edge- it's a little bit bulged in the secondaries and somewhat 
 pinched in at the body, whereas Zone-tailed usually looks very straight- see 
 for instance the photo on the Wikipedia page of a Zone-tailed from almost the 
 same perspective as your third picture.  Was the bird flapping when you took 
 the second picture- I would expect more dihedral for soaring Zone-tailed. I 
 absolutely agree about the first picture- the apparent color is false, due to 
 out-of-focus chromatic aberration.
 
  If it's a B-wing, it's doing an amazing job of disguising itself: shape and 
 proportions don't look right at all.  The tail banding pattern is very 
 clearly visible, and not right for Red-shouldered. The sound of Zone-tailed 
 call is more pure whistle- less screechy or scratchy- than Red-Tailed, but 
 not so terribly different if you're not paying close attention.  But, would a 
 solitary, lost Zone-tailed be likely to be calling at all?  
 
 Interesting! But I'm definitely no expert.
 
 --John Greenly
 
 
 On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gary Kohlenberg wrote:
 
 Ray,
 I think arguments could be made for a couple species / morphs based on the 
 backlit photos, and I have my opinion, but as you heard the bird call my bet 
 would be whatever the vocalization indicates. I don’t know if you are solid 
 on the calls, but to my ear the Broad-winged “p-s” and juvenile Red-tail 
 squeals can sound similar. Red-shouldered Hawks sound completely different 
 and the unlikely Zone-tailed even more so.
  
 Gary
  
  
 From: bounce-116290980-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
 [mailto:bounce-116290980-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Nutter
 Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 4:32 AM
 To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
 Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk
  
 Good point about the primary barring showing at the molt. If the slaty color 
 of the wing 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk (zone-tailed hawk?)

2014-06-16 Thread John Greenly
Ray, one question:  when you were observing through binocs, did you by any 
chance notice yellow feet, or see the feet clearly as showing up light-colored 
against the black undertail coverts?  A quite noticeable feature of Zone-tailed 
as I remember.  

--John


On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:10 PM, Ray Zimmerman wrote:

 Thanks everyone for the helpful discussion and sorry for my silence (busy 
 with life). Here’s a bit more information. First of all, I’ve added a few 
 more photos, of even worse quality :-/  Here’s an updated link …
 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nm25xfhyarydgxg/AAAvRHHfszKtNmiLRVoy-LYWa
 
 To recap, with a bit more detail. I first heard the bird vocalize, and to me 
 it sounded like a completely classical red-tail sound. I quickly located the 
 bird with my naked eye (90% sure it was the same bird). I did not see any 
 other raptors or TVs in the area. I stepped inside the garage to grab 
 binoculars from the car (15 secs or so), quickly relocated the bird and began 
 observing, still assuming “red-tail”. What I noticed first was the dark 
 underside. I observed through the binoculars for a few minutes before asking 
 my wife to go grab my son’s camera. As I continued watching, it vocalized 
 again. Up until this point, I was still certain it was an unusually dark 
 red-tail. I thought that I saw red on the upper side of the tail a few times, 
 but I’d put about 50% confidence on that statement.
 
 When my wife brought the camera, before I began taking pictures, my view of 
 the bird was blocked momentarily by some trees. When it emerged from behind 
 the trees I began snapping pictures. I’d say I’m at least 90% sure that the 
 bird I was observing through the binoculars, that I heard vocalizing, and the 
 one I got pictures of are the same bird. I’m 99% sure there was only 1 bird 
 in the area while I was snapping pictures. I.e. they are all of the same 
 bird, including the one that looks like the tail is reddish.
 
 I’ve seen broad-winged hawks (though not dark morph), and I’m nearly certain 
 it was not a broad-wing. The wings and tail seemed too long to me and the 
 shape and flight style just didn’t seem right either. The vocalization 
 sounded nothing like the recordings I’ve heard of broad-wings. I’ve never 
 seen a zone-tailed hawk, but that does seem to be the one that matches best 
 with what I saw. I don’t recall that I ever saw it flap, but I do remember 
 thinking that it held it’s wings in a slight V and that there was something 
 else about the way it flew that seemed “different” (helpful, right? I know). 
 The vocalization, however, sounded more classical red-tail than the 
 recordings I’ve heard of the zone-tailed hawk.
 
 Afterward, I was very sorry I didn’t have a better camera and that the 
 autofocus had done such a poor job on so many of my shots. I thought I’d 
 taken plenty that I’d have multiple good ones to help with the ID.
 
 Based on the comments and my own looking at photos, listening to sounds, etc. 
 I’m leaning pretty strongly toward zone-tailed hawk, but would love to hear 
 any further comments.
 
 Ray
 
 
 On Jun 16, 2014, at 11:32 AM, John Greenly j...@cornell.edu wrote:
 
 I have watched Zone-tailed in the SW, and they really do fly like Turkey 
 Vultures.  Everything I can see in the third picture does look very 
 consistent with Zone-tailed (except for one thing), but if you didn't notice 
 the flight style, it probably isn't one.  The one thing is the shape of the 
 wing trailing edge- it's a little bit bulged in the secondaries and somewhat 
 pinched in at the body, whereas Zone-tailed usually looks very straight- see 
 for instance the photo on the Wikipedia page of a Zone-tailed from almost 
 the same perspective as your third picture.  Was the bird flapping when you 
 took the second picture- I would expect more dihedral for soaring 
 Zone-tailed. I absolutely agree about the first picture- the apparent color 
 is false, due to out-of-focus chromatic aberration.
 
  If it's a B-wing, it's doing an amazing job of disguising itself: shape and 
 proportions don't look right at all.  The tail banding pattern is very 
 clearly visible, and not right for Red-shouldered. The sound of Zone-tailed 
 call is more pure whistle- less screechy or scratchy- than Red-Tailed, but 
 not so terribly different if you're not paying close attention.  But, would 
 a solitary, lost Zone-tailed be likely to be calling at all?  
 
 Interesting! But I'm definitely no expert.
 
 --John Greenly
 
 
 On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gary Kohlenberg wrote:
 
 Ray,
 I think arguments could be made for a couple species / morphs based on the 
 backlit photos, and I have my opinion, but as you heard the bird call my 
 bet would be whatever the vocalization indicates. I don’t know if you are 
 solid on the calls, but to my ear the Broad-winged “p-s” and juvenile 
 Red-tail squeals can sound similar. Red-shouldered Hawks sound completely 
 different and the unlikely 

[cayugabirds-l] weekend screech-owl youngster

2014-06-16 Thread Robyn Bailey
On Friday night, a group of scolding titmice and chickadees drew my  attention 
to an area of the yard just off my front porch, where I happened to be sitting 
at dusk. I then heard an adult Eastern Screech-owl calling in the vicinity, and 
suspected that the scolding was directed at the calling adult owl. But when I 
scanned around for the owl, I found a much closer baby screech-owl, perched not 
that far away, maybe 20 feet up in a tree, looking at my husband and me on our 
porch. I don't think the titmice were scolding this fledgling, but possibly 
they did see him/her but considered the adult more of a threat.

We moved inside to see whether more owls would materialize (we've had as many 
as 4 young in the yard in prior years), but we only saw this one baby. It 
scanned the area around our feeders looking for mice, then made a pass at the 
flying squirrels which come to our bark butter, missed, and landed on the power 
line that runs to our house. There it sat, with us watching from the window, 
until it was too dark to see. I checked briefly on Sat. and Sun. night for the 
owl(s), but didn't see any activity.

The other interesting report from my weekend was a vocal Alder Flycatcher in 
some brushy wet habitat at the Lansing Center Trail on Sunday. I walk this 
trail once a week, and this is the first time I've heard the species here. I 
also flushed Common Yellowthroats on 2 occasions that were in vegetation at the 
base of bluebird boxes (I'll be careful approaching those boxes in future).

Cheers,

Robyn Bailey

Lansing


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk (zone-tailed hawk?)

2014-06-16 Thread Ray Zimmerman
It is not something that I noticed, but I didn’t look for it specifically 
either.

Ray

On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:40 PM, John Greenly j...@cornell.edu wrote:

 Ray, one question:  when you were observing through binocs, did you by any 
 chance notice yellow feet, or see the feet clearly as showing up 
 light-colored against the black undertail coverts?  A quite noticeable 
 feature of Zone-tailed as I remember.  
 
 --John
 
 
 On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:10 PM, Ray Zimmerman wrote:
 
 Thanks everyone for the helpful discussion and sorry for my silence (busy 
 with life). Here’s a bit more information. First of all, I’ve added a few 
 more photos, of even worse quality :-/  Here’s an updated link …
 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nm25xfhyarydgxg/AAAvRHHfszKtNmiLRVoy-LYWa
 
 To recap, with a bit more detail. I first heard the bird vocalize, and to me 
 it sounded like a completely classical red-tail sound. I quickly located the 
 bird with my naked eye (90% sure it was the same bird). I did not see any 
 other raptors or TVs in the area. I stepped inside the garage to grab 
 binoculars from the car (15 secs or so), quickly relocated the bird and 
 began observing, still assuming “red-tail”. What I noticed first was the 
 dark underside. I observed through the binoculars for a few minutes before 
 asking my wife to go grab my son’s camera. As I continued watching, it 
 vocalized again. Up until this point, I was still certain it was an 
 unusually dark red-tail. I thought that I saw red on the upper side of the 
 tail a few times, but I’d put about 50% confidence on that statement.
 
 When my wife brought the camera, before I began taking pictures, my view of 
 the bird was blocked momentarily by some trees. When it emerged from behind 
 the trees I began snapping pictures. I’d say I’m at least 90% sure that the 
 bird I was observing through the binoculars, that I heard vocalizing, and 
 the one I got pictures of are the same bird. I’m 99% sure there was only 1 
 bird in the area while I was snapping pictures. I.e. they are all of the 
 same bird, including the one that looks like the tail is reddish.
 
 I’ve seen broad-winged hawks (though not dark morph), and I’m nearly certain 
 it was not a broad-wing. The wings and tail seemed too long to me and the 
 shape and flight style just didn’t seem right either. The vocalization 
 sounded nothing like the recordings I’ve heard of broad-wings. I’ve never 
 seen a zone-tailed hawk, but that does seem to be the one that matches best 
 with what I saw. I don’t recall that I ever saw it flap, but I do remember 
 thinking that it held it’s wings in a slight V and that there was something 
 else about the way it flew that seemed “different” (helpful, right? I know). 
 The vocalization, however, sounded more classical red-tail than the 
 recordings I’ve heard of the zone-tailed hawk.
 
 Afterward, I was very sorry I didn’t have a better camera and that the 
 autofocus had done such a poor job on so many of my shots. I thought I’d 
 taken plenty that I’d have multiple good ones to help with the ID.
 
 Based on the comments and my own looking at photos, listening to sounds, 
 etc. I’m leaning pretty strongly toward zone-tailed hawk, but would love to 
 hear any further comments.
 
 Ray
 
 
 On Jun 16, 2014, at 11:32 AM, John Greenly j...@cornell.edu wrote:
 
 I have watched Zone-tailed in the SW, and they really do fly like Turkey 
 Vultures.  Everything I can see in the third picture does look very 
 consistent with Zone-tailed (except for one thing), but if you didn't 
 notice the flight style, it probably isn't one.  The one thing is the shape 
 of the wing trailing edge- it's a little bit bulged in the secondaries and 
 somewhat pinched in at the body, whereas Zone-tailed usually looks very 
 straight- see for instance the photo on the Wikipedia page of a Zone-tailed 
 from almost the same perspective as your third picture.  Was the bird 
 flapping when you took the second picture- I would expect more dihedral for 
 soaring Zone-tailed. I absolutely agree about the first picture- the 
 apparent color is false, due to out-of-focus chromatic aberration.
 
  If it's a B-wing, it's doing an amazing job of disguising itself: shape 
 and proportions don't look right at all.  The tail banding pattern is very 
 clearly visible, and not right for Red-shouldered. The sound of Zone-tailed 
 call is more pure whistle- less screechy or scratchy- than Red-Tailed, but 
 not so terribly different if you're not paying close attention.  But, would 
 a solitary, lost Zone-tailed be likely to be calling at all?  
 
 Interesting! But I'm definitely no expert.
 
 --John Greenly
 
 
 On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Gary Kohlenberg wrote:
 
 Ray,
 I think arguments could be made for a couple species / morphs based on the 
 backlit photos, and I have my opinion, but as you heard the bird call my 
 bet would be whatever the vocalization indicates. I don’t know if you are 
 solid on the calls, 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk (zone-tailed hawk?)

2014-06-16 Thread Christopher Dalton
Hi Cayuga birders,

I have been following the discussion with interest and enjoying the back
and forth. I have to admit, that my initial impressions were the same as
Dave Nutter's - I thought the first photo was a red-tail and the others
were of a backlit Broad-winged Hawk. I just thought the second bird looked
too pale to be a zone-tailed. Anyway, I quickly did a comparison of this
bird with the Zone-tailed Hawk photographed in similarly bad light in MA
last month, And one Broad-winged Hawk that I selected from the internet to
try, as much as possible, to match this bird. I've posted this quick
comparison here: http://www.eeb.cornell.edu/dalton/HawkComparison.html

Of course, looking at just a photo or two is not nearly as good as the
observations of the birder in the field - which seem to be inconsistent
with at least a light morph of BW Hawk. But, based on the photos alone, a
few thoughts:

I don't get out birding much anymore, and I've only seen Zone-tailed Hawk
once before (and that was years ago), but I thought the wing shape was OK
for a BW Hawk, especially one that is clearly molting. Also, the last time
I was out birding locally (two weeks ago), I saw a BW Hawk that looked a
lot like this bird in terms of wing molt. Plus, in my read on the photo,
the bird appears to be getting lighter towards the vent, which would be
consistent with an adult BW Hawk. Finally, I thought the light on the
flight feathers on the wing was light coming through, not the different
pigmentation that occurs on ZT Hawks (is it pigmentation? coloration? or is
it more reflective? anyway...) .  In reviewing photos of soaring raptors
online, this translucent phenomenon seems to occur much more with BW Hawk
than ZT Hawk. That plus the less-translucent, dark border to the wings
would seem to be consistent with field marks for BW Hawk.

Anyway, those are my two cents (which is worth considerably less,
especially compared to the many excellent birders on this list). But I
thought the comparison with the photo with another recent vagrant record of
this hawk would be useful for some or interesting if nothing else. Looking
forward to seeing if the group can resolve on an ID!

Cheers,
Chris Dalton
Ithaca, NY






On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Ray Zimmerman r...@cornell.edu wrote:

 It is not something that I noticed, but I didn’t look for it specifically
 either.

 Ray

 On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:40 PM, John Greenly j...@cornell.edu wrote:

 Ray, one question:  when you were observing through binocs, did you by any
 chance notice yellow feet, or see the feet clearly as showing up
 light-colored against the black undertail coverts?  A quite noticeable
 feature of Zone-tailed as I remember.

 --John


 On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:10 PM, Ray Zimmerman wrote:

 Thanks everyone for the helpful discussion and sorry for my silence (busy
 with life). Here’s a bit more information. First of all, I’ve added a few
 more photos, of even worse quality :-/  Here’s an updated link …

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nm25xfhyarydgxg/AAAvRHHfszKtNmiLRVoy-LYWa

 To recap, with a bit more detail. I first heard the bird vocalize, and to
 me it sounded like a completely classical red-tail sound. I quickly located
 the bird with my naked eye (90% sure it was the same bird). I did not see
 any other raptors or TVs in the area. I stepped inside the garage to grab
 binoculars from the car (15 secs or so), quickly relocated the bird and
 began observing, still assuming “red-tail”. What I noticed first was the
 dark underside. I observed through the binoculars for a few minutes before
 asking my wife to go grab my son’s camera. As I continued watching, it
 vocalized again. Up until this point, I was still certain it was an
 unusually dark red-tail. I thought that I saw red on the upper side of the
 tail a few times, but I’d put about 50% confidence on that statement.

 When my wife brought the camera, before I began taking pictures, my view
 of the bird was blocked momentarily by some trees. When it emerged from
 behind the trees I began snapping pictures. I’d say I’m at least 90% sure
 that the bird I was observing through the binoculars, that I heard
 vocalizing, and the one I got pictures of are the same bird. I’m 99% sure
 there was only 1 bird in the area while I was snapping pictures. I.e. they
 are all of the same bird, including the one that looks like the tail is
 reddish.

 I’ve seen broad-winged hawks (though not dark morph), and I’m nearly
 certain it was not a broad-wing. The wings and tail seemed too long to me
 and the shape and flight style just didn’t seem right either. The
 vocalization sounded nothing like the recordings I’ve heard of broad-wings.
 I’ve never seen a zone-tailed hawk, but that does seem to be the one that
 matches best with what I saw. I don’t recall that I ever saw it flap, but I
 do remember thinking that it held it’s wings in a slight V and that there
 was something else about the way it flew that seemed “different” (helpful,
 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] dark red-tailed hawk (zone-tailed hawk?)

2014-06-16 Thread John Greenly

Nice Zone-tail photo, thanks!

this comparison nicely shows what I was trying to say about the straight 
trailing edge of Zone-tailed, no secondary bulge.  Also shows the 
Zone-tailed's light feet showing clearly against the dark undertail 
coverts.


Okay, I'll stick my neck out and say that even though the wing 
proportions look extreme, Ray's bird is a Broad-wing-- based on the 
second black band on the tail.  Now that Chris Dalton has enlarged the 
photo, I'm seeing that the second black band in from the tip is as wide 
as the first, while in Zone-tailed the second is in all pictures I have 
found, and in my memory, much narrower than the first.


...but why did it call like a Red-tail...?

cheers,
John Greenly

On 6/16/2014 3:02 PM, Christopher Dalton wrote:

Hi Cayuga birders,

I have been following the discussion with interest and enjoying the back
and forth. I have to admit, that my initial impressions were the same as
Dave Nutter's - I thought the first photo was a red-tail and the others
were of a backlit Broad-winged Hawk. I just thought the second bird
looked too pale to be a zone-tailed. Anyway, I quickly did a comparison
of this bird with the Zone-tailed Hawk photographed in similarly bad
light in MA last month, And one Broad-winged Hawk that I selected from
the internet to try, as much as possible, to match this bird. I've
posted this quick comparison here:
http://www.eeb.cornell.edu/dalton/HawkComparison.html

Of course, looking at just a photo or two is not nearly as good as the
observations of the birder in the field - which seem to be inconsistent
with at least a light morph of BW Hawk. But, based on the photos alone,
a few thoughts:

I don't get out birding much anymore, and I've only seen Zone-tailed
Hawk once before (and that was years ago), but I thought the wing shape
was OK for a BW Hawk, especially one that is clearly molting. Also, the
last time I was out birding locally (two weeks ago), I saw a BW Hawk
that looked a lot like this bird in terms of wing molt. Plus, in my read
on the photo, the bird appears to be getting lighter towards the vent,
which would be consistent with an adult BW Hawk. Finally, I thought the
light on the flight feathers on the wing was light coming through, not
the different pigmentation that occurs on ZT Hawks (is it pigmentation?
coloration? or is it more reflective? anyway...) .  In reviewing photos
of soaring raptors online, this translucent phenomenon seems to occur
much more with BW Hawk than ZT Hawk. That plus the less-translucent,
dark border to the wings would seem to be consistent with field marks
for BW Hawk.

Anyway, those are my two cents (which is worth considerably less,
especially compared to the many excellent birders on this list). But I
thought the comparison with the photo with another recent vagrant record
of this hawk would be useful for some or interesting if nothing else.
Looking forward to seeing if the group can resolve on an ID!

Cheers,
Chris Dalton
Ithaca, NY






On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Ray Zimmerman r...@cornell.edu
mailto:r...@cornell.edu wrote:

It is not something that I noticed, but I didn’t look for it
specifically either.

 Ray

On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:40 PM, John Greenly j...@cornell.edu
mailto:j...@cornell.edu wrote:


Ray, one question:  when you were observing through binocs, did
you by any chance notice yellow feet, or see the feet clearly as
showing up light-colored against the black undertail coverts?  A
quite noticeable feature of Zone-tailed as I remember.

--John


On Jun 16, 2014, at 1:10 PM, Ray Zimmerman wrote:


Thanks everyone for the helpful discussion and sorry for my
silence (busy with life). Here’s a bit more information. First of
all, I’ve added a few more photos, of even worse quality :-/
 Here’s an updated link …

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nm25xfhyarydgxg/AAAvRHHfszKtNmiLRVoy-LYWa

To recap, with a bit more detail. I first heard the bird
vocalize, and to me it sounded like a completely classical
red-tail sound. I quickly located the bird with my naked eye (90%
sure it was the same bird). I did not see any other raptors or
TVs in the area. I stepped inside the garage to grab binoculars
from the car (15 secs or so), quickly relocated the bird and
began observing, still assuming “red-tail”. What I noticed first
was the dark underside. I observed through the binoculars for a
few minutes before asking my wife to go grab my son’s camera. As
I continued watching, it vocalized again. Up until this point, I
was still certain it was an unusually dark red-tail. I thought
that I saw red on the upper side of the tail a few times, but I’d
put about 50% confidence on that statement.

When my wife brought the camera, before I began taking pictures,
my view of the bird was blocked momentarily by some trees. When
it emerged from behind the trees I began snapping pictures. I’d

[cayugabirds-l] Syracuse RBA

2014-06-16 Thread Joseph Brin
RBA
 
*  New York
*  Syracuse
* June 16, 2014
*  NYSY  06. 16. 14
 
Hotline: Syracuse Rare bird Alert
Dates(s):

June 09, 2013 - June 16, 2014
to report by e-mail: brinjoseph AT yahoo.com
covering upstate NY counties: Cayuga, Montezuma National Wildlife Refuge
and Montezuma Wetlands Complex (MWC) (just outside Cayuga County),
Onondaga, Oswego, Lewis, Jefferson, Oneida, Herkimer,  Madison  Cortland
compiled: June 09 AT 6:30 a.m. (EDT)
compiler: Joseph Brin
Onondaga Audubon Homepage: www.onondagaaudubon.org
 
 
#397 Monday June 16, 2014
 
Greetings. This is the Syracuse Area Rare Bird Alert for the week of 
June 09, 2014
 
Highlights:
---

GREAT EGRET
SNOW GOOSE
VIRGINIA RAIL
UPLAND SANDPIPER
WHIP-POOR-WILL
RED-HEADED WOODPECKER
OLIVE-SIDED FLYCATCHER
PROTHONOTARY WARBLER
ORCHARD ORIOLE
PINE SISKIN




Montezuma National Wildlife Refuge (MNWR) and Montezuma Wetlands Complex (MWC)


     6/9: A PROTHONOTARY WARBLER was again seen on Armitage Road.
     6/11: A RED-HEADED WOODPECKER (probably a nesting pair) continues on Mays 
Point Pool Road.     
     6/14: An ORCHARD ORIOLE and a SNOW GOOSE were spotted along the wildlife 
drive.
     6/15: A SANDHILL CRANE and a GREAT EGRET were seen in Knox-Marsellus Marsh.


Madison County


     6/16: A RED-HEADED WOODPECKER was at a feeder on Carpenter Road near Sheds.


Herkimer County


     6/9: An OLIVE-SIDED FLYCATCHER was seen in Lizard Spring Bog near 
Stillwater Reservoir.
     6/14: A WHIP-POOR-WILL and a PINE SISKIN were found at Shawangunk Nature 
Preserve near Hinkley Reservoir.


Oneida County


     6/10: A CERULEAN WARBLER was found at Verona Beach State Park.
     6/11: An UPLAND SANDPIPER was again seen on Harris Road in Poland.


Oswego County


     6/14: A MERLIN was again found in Constantia.


Onondaga County


     6/14: A GRASSHOPPER SPARROW continues on Fenner Road north of Lamson Road. 
Single CERULEAN WARBLERS were heard at Whiskey hollow and Beaver Lake Nature 
Center
     6/15: 12 VIRGINIA RAILS, including young, were seen along 60 Road in Three 
Rivers WMA north of Baldwinsville. A SORA was heard also. A male and female 
ORCHARD ORIOLE were observed feeding young at a nest on Perry Road near Whiskey 
Hollow.

     
   

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Joseph Brin
Region 5
Baldwinsville, N.Y.  13027  U.S.A.
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