[ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2014-08-15 Thread Huw Jenkins
Hi

I seem to be getting a lot of outliers rejected by Phaser with data processed 
with the latest ctruncate which are not present when data is processed with  
the older version (or old truncate) - has something been changed in the code 
that would cause this?

With CCP4 6.4: ctruncate version 1.15.9 : 15/07/14

Phaser logfile:

Outliers with a probability less than 1e-06 will be rejected
   There were 489 (0.5620%) reflections rejected

  HKL   resoF probability
  94   49   1.65  126.969   8.862e-41
 -25   50   1.66  124.322   2.404e-30
  05   50   1.66  131.982   3.516e-35
-147   47   1.66  123.548   3.541e-27
 20   20   35   1.66   87.870   5.191e-88
 -1   15   46   1.66  114.059  8.326e-130
 -6   21   41   1.67  104.887   7.047e-50
 -94   49   1.67  120.765   5.821e-22
  3   34   20   1.67   93.244   6.844e-41
  74   49   1.67  131.702   2.985e-36
 -3   34   20   1.67  106.603   5.786e-57
  4   370   1.67  119.036   3.934e-48
  1   16   45   1.67  107.599   2.356e-55
-149   46   1.67  122.033   2.371e-24
 -5   33   22   1.67  110.802   3.492e-60
  3   33   22   1.68  102.663   6.189e-46
 -74   49   1.68  120.855   1.875e-20
 -26   49   1.68  132.650   6.233e-84
  9   19   41   1.68   91.717   2.857e-21
-17   12   43   1.69  112.959   5.298e-37
   More than 20 outliers (see VERBOSE output)


With  CCP4 6.4: ctruncate version 1.15.5 : 05/06/14

Phaser logfile:

Outliers with a probability less than 1e-06 will be rejected
   There were 1 (0.0011%) reflections rejected

  HKL   resoF probability
  020  31.00  913.757   1.369e-08

Thanks,


Huw

Re: [ccp4bb] dynapro DLS cuvettes

2014-08-15 Thread Andreas Förster

Here's another one, catalog number 105-250-15-40:

http://www.hellma-analytics.com/kuevetten/136/en/pg_id,41$g_id,24$item_id,63/fluorescence-cells.html#63

We use that for light scattering on a Zetasizer Nano.


Andreas



On 14/08/2014 10:35, Gloria Borgstahl wrote:

Does any one know of a source of these cuvettes?
Protein Solution doesn't exist anymore
and Wyatt no longer has these.


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[ccp4bb] cc1/2 value in hkl2000

2014-08-15 Thread Faisal Tarique
Hello everyone

Can anybody please tell me where to locate the Corelation value between
half sets (CC1/2) of a data processed through HKL2000 ??

-- 
Regards

Faisal
School of Life Sciences
JNU


Re: [ccp4bb] cc1/2 value in hkl2000

2014-08-15 Thread Ed Pozharski
Probably the only way is to take unmerged scalepack output to aimless.


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div Original message /divdivFrom: Faisal Tarique 
faisaltari...@gmail.com /divdivDate:08/15/2014  9:40 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
/divdivTo: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK /divdivSubject: [ccp4bb] cc1/2 value 
in hkl2000 /divdiv
/divHello everyone

Can anybody please tell me where to locate the Corelation value between half 
sets (CC1/2) of a data processed through HKL2000 ?? 

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Faisal
School of Life Sciences
JNU



Re: [ccp4bb] cc1/2 value in hkl2000

2014-08-15 Thread Edward A. Berry

On 08/15/2014 09:40 AM, Faisal Tarique wrote:

Hello everyone

Can anybody please tell me where to locate the Corelation value between half 
sets (CC1/2) of a data processed through HKL2000 ??



First of all you must have a recent version of the suite- it didn't exist in 
earlier versions.
Then, it is in the scalepack log file, last table, with chi^2 and R-fac
before the list of systematic extinctions.
I presume it is also  one of the plots you can display from the gui.
 Shell Lower Upper Average  Average Norm. Linear Square
 limitAngstrom   I   error   stat. Chi**2  R-fac  R-fac  Rmeas   Rpim  
CC1/2CC*
  30.00  10.70  4410.3   209.649.3  1.489  0.056  0.064  0.062  0.026  
0.996  0.999
  10.70   8.56  5654.8   255.956.9  1.006  0.053  0.059  0.058  0.024  
0.997  0.999


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JNU



Re: [ccp4bb] cc1/2 value in hkl2000

2014-08-15 Thread Philip Kiser
If you are using newer versions of HKL2000 it is printed in the scale.log
file.


On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Faisal Tarique faisaltari...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello everyone

 Can anybody please tell me where to locate the Corelation value between
 half sets (CC1/2) of a data processed through HKL2000 ??

 --
 Regards

 Faisal
 School of Life Sciences
 JNU




[ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] dynapro DLS cuvettes

2014-08-15 Thread Prince, D Bryan
Some memories from the dark recesses of my mind…  Hope it helps!
Bryan

From: Prince, D Bryan
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 6:07 PM
To: 'Gloria Borgstahl'
Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] dynapro DLS cuvettes

Dear Gloria,

I seem to remember that we had a DynaPro DLS system and used disposable plastic 
cuvettes (low volume). I think these are the ones we used, and we were very 
happy with them. If memory serves, we could do about 25uL samples, and they 
were individually packed so cleanliness was not a concern.

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/z605050?lang=enregion=US


Sigma has a supply of quartz cuvettes here that you might find helpful:

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/analytical-chromatography/analytical-products.html?TablePage=104902943

GOOD LUCK
Bryan


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Subject: [ccp4bb] dynapro DLS cuvettes

Does any one know of a source of these cuvettes?
Protein Solution doesn't exist anymore
and Wyatt no longer has these.

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Re: [ccp4bb] CC-half value ??

2014-08-15 Thread Ed Pozharski
Same here.  Ultimately, the KD test must be used in the end to finalize the 
resolution (keeping in mind recently discussed issues of effective resolution 
given data completeness).  I just want to add that at least some versions of 
aimless report overestimated resolution based on CC1/2 cutoff when outliers are 
present (e.g. due to ice rings or salt diffraction). It seems that aimless just 
picks the highest resolution bin where cc1/2 0.5 even if some lower resolution 
bins are below 0.5 as well. I have written a script for more robust automated 
evaluation of these curves.  In a nutshell, it fits CC1/2 (d) curve to 1/(1+exp 
(-x)) and returns the resolution at midpoint.  I'm pretty sure that theoretical 
CC1/2 (d) dependence is different from this, but it seems good enough for a 
rough estimate. 


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div Original message /divdivFrom: Roger Rowlett 
rrowl...@colgate.edu /divdivDate:08/14/2014  5:44 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
/divdivTo: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK /divdivSubject: Re: [ccp4bb] CC-half 
value ?? /divdiv
/divExactly. Aimless will give you suggested resolution cutoffs based on CC 
1/2 in the log file.

Roger Rowlett

On Aug 14, 2014 5:04 PM, conan仙人指路 conan_...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Faisal,

  CC-half standard is valuable in evaluating the cut-off of highest resolution. 
Sometimes even if I/sigI is close to 1 and completeness is not as high, if 
CC-half is still significant, it may be worth incorporate the extra high-res 
shell data and extend the resolution. Again, if only the reliability and unbias 
are carefully confirmed, and the apparent significant CC-half is not due to an 
artifact of some other factors like ice ring etc.
(Ref: Karplus PA and Diederichs K. 2012 Science 336, 1030-1033 
https://www.pubmed.com/pubmed/22628654)

  It has yet to be appreciated by most population of the crystallography 
society, unlike the I/sigI, completeness, Rsym. In particular, Rsym has 
gradually less a direct measurement of the data quality and or determinant of 
resolution cut-off. 

Best,
Conan

Hongnan Cao, Ph.D.
Department of Biochemistry
Rice University

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:39:48 +0530
From: faisaltari...@gmail.com
Subject: [ccp4bb] CC-half value ??
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Dear all

How CC-half value of a data set determines the maximum resolution limit during 
data processing ?? Although much we know about the Rsym and I/Isig values of 
the highest resolution shell while processing the data, what are the parameters 
we need to check related to CC-half values ?? 

-- 
Regards

Faisal
School of Life Sciences
JNU



[ccp4bb] Zinc binding protein expressed from insect cells

2014-08-15 Thread Harvey Rodriguez
Dear all,

Sorry for the non-crystallographic question. Currently I am working on a
zinc binding protein which is expressed in insect cells and may contain 4-6
zinc ions. As we know, so many zinc binding proteins can absorb the iron
ions from the culture medium and the protein looks from yellow to dark red
when concentrated. But when I concentrate the protein, I didn’t see the red
color even in the very high concentration. I am just wondering if a zinc
binding protein is expressed from insect or mammalian cells, can the zinc
binding sites grab the irons instead of zinc or the zinc binding site can
be empty loaded if there is not enough zinc in the culture medium? If so,
do I need to include some zinc salt into the culture medium when doing
expression or I can add some zinc ions when purifying? Usually, how much
zinc and at which step of purification can we add the zinc into the
solution when doing purification?

Another question is that we know DTT can react with the heavy atoms to form
the insoluble sulfide precipitates and if the zinc binding protein is
purified with DTT at a final concentration of 1-5 mM, can it strip the zinc
ions from the protein?

I am appreciated if someone has this kind of experimental experiences and
thanks in advance!

Heng


Re: [ccp4bb] CC-half value ??

2014-08-15 Thread Phil Evans
I should make the estimation in Aimless more robust, and curve fitting sounds 
like a good idea (but what function?). Outliers are a difficult problem, but 
anyway I think you should look at the curve and not just the number estimated. 
I would look at I/sigI as well, and anisotropy to decide the resolution. 
However, the final cutoff should probably be based on refinement, and also I 
don't think the exact cutoff makes a huge difference (see 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23793146)

Phil

On 15 Aug 2014, at 15:54, Ed Pozharski pozharsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Same here.  Ultimately, the KD test must be used in the end to finalize the 
 resolution (keeping in mind recently discussed issues of effective resolution 
 given data completeness).  I just want to add that at least some versions of 
 aimless report overestimated resolution based on CC1/2 cutoff when outliers 
 are present (e.g. due to ice rings or salt diffraction). It seems that 
 aimless just picks the highest resolution bin where cc1/2 0.5 even if some 
 lower resolution bins are below 0.5 as well. I have written a script for more 
 robust automated evaluation of these curves.  In a nutshell, it fits CC1/2 
 (d) curve to 1/(1+exp (-x)) and returns the resolution at midpoint.  I'm 
 pretty sure that theoretical CC1/2 (d) dependence is different from this, but 
 it seems good enough for a rough estimate. 
 
 
 Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® III
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Original message 
 From: Roger Rowlett
 Date:08/14/2014 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CC-half value ??
 
 Exactly. Aimless will give you suggested resolution cutoffs based on CC 1/2 
 in the log file.
 
 Roger Rowlett
 
 On Aug 14, 2014 5:04 PM, conan仙人指路 conan_...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hi Faisal,
 
   CC-half standard is valuable in evaluating the cut-off of highest 
 resolution. Sometimes even if I/sigI is close to 1 and completeness is not as 
 high, if CC-half is still significant, it may be worth incorporate the extra 
 high-res shell data and extend the resolution. Again, if only the reliability 
 and unbias are carefully confirmed, and the apparent significant CC-half is 
 not due to an artifact of some other factors like ice ring etc.
 (Ref: Karplus PA and Diederichs K. 2012 Science 336, 1030-1033 
 https://www.pubmed.com/pubmed/22628654)
 
   It has yet to be appreciated by most population of the crystallography 
 society, unlike the I/sigI, completeness, Rsym. In particular, Rsym has 
 gradually less a direct measurement of the data quality and or determinant of 
 resolution cut-off. 
 
 Best,
 Conan
 
 Hongnan Cao, Ph.D.
 Department of Biochemistry
 Rice University
 
 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:39:48 +0530
 From: faisaltari...@gmail.com
 Subject: [ccp4bb] CC-half value ??
 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 
 Dear all
 
 How CC-half value of a data set determines the maximum resolution limit 
 during data processing ?? Although much we know about the Rsym and I/Isig 
 values of the highest resolution shell while processing the data, what are 
 the parameters we need to check related to CC-half values ?? 
 
 -- 
 Regards
 
 Faisal
 School of Life Sciences
 JNU
 


Re: [ccp4bb] Zinc binding protein expressed from insect cells

2014-08-15 Thread Pascal Egea
Hi Heng,

DTT can react with metal cations such as Zinc or Iron. This is why people
to tend to use little DTT or no DTT at all on metal affinity columns or
replace it b-mercaptoethanol or TCEP that do not interfere.
Regarding the incorporation of Zinc into the culture media.
I recall that Zinc finger domain expression in E coli (for nuclear
receptors dna binding domains) is classically described to be done in
presence of Zinc acetate added into the culture media (around 100
microMolar I think ) this is already a lot of zinc (more might be toxic to
the cells).

depending on what your process of purification is.
I would try to add zinc in the expression media (this has probably been
descrived also for insect cells)
if you use a Ni or Co chelating column I would NOT add any free zinc at
this stage, you can, if you wish it, add it to eluate of your affinity
column and to gel filtration buffers or ion exchange buffers.

That said, I would suspect that  having enough zinc around is mostly
beneficial at the expression stage as the protein folding machinery is
dealing with your target protein.zinc misloaded protein is likely to be
unsoluble.

for nuclear receptors DBDs there are protocols describing reincorporation
(or even exchange) of metal ions inside the domain (maybe even starting
from inclusion bodies) but the more cysteines you have the more likely it
is to be difficult to get the right folded protein back. so I would
rather favor a strategy trying to get as much folded protein as possible by
natural means (let the cells do what we biochemists still don t know to do
very well).

if you add free zinc I would be careful with the concentration and the pH
of your buffers. at basic pH zinc and other ions (such as Ca and Fe) form
insoluble hydroxydes.

if you have managed to purify some protein I would try to do some emission
spectroscopy to see what ions are bound (zinc and or iron ) you may be
surprised by what you will see.

sorry for the lengthy response but I hope this helps.
all the best,

Pascal Egea



On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Harvey Rodriguez 
h.rodriguez.x...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear all,

 Sorry for the non-crystallographic question. Currently I am working on a
 zinc binding protein which is expressed in insect cells and may contain 4-6
 zinc ions. As we know, so many zinc binding proteins can absorb the iron
 ions from the culture medium and the protein looks from yellow to dark red
 when concentrated. But when I concentrate the protein, I didn’t see the red
 color even in the very high concentration. I am just wondering if a zinc
 binding protein is expressed from insect or mammalian cells, can the zinc
 binding sites grab the irons instead of zinc or the zinc binding site can
 be empty loaded if there is not enough zinc in the culture medium? If so,
 do I need to include some zinc salt into the culture medium when doing
 expression or I can add some zinc ions when purifying? Usually, how much
 zinc and at which step of purification can we add the zinc into the
 solution when doing purification?

 Another question is that we know DTT can react with the heavy atoms to
 form the insoluble sulfide precipitates and if the zinc binding protein is
 purified with DTT at a final concentration of 1-5 mM, can it strip the zinc
 ions from the protein?

 I am appreciated if someone has this kind of experimental experiences and
 thanks in advance!

 Heng




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Re: [ccp4bb] CC-half value ??

2014-08-15 Thread Faisal Tarique
Thank you for your valuable suggestions..it really helped me a lot..


On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Phil Evans p...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote:

 I should make the estimation in Aimless more robust, and curve fitting
 sounds like a good idea (but what function?). Outliers are a difficult
 problem, but anyway I think you should look at the curve and not just the
 number estimated. I would look at I/sigI as well, and anisotropy to decide
 the resolution. However, the final cutoff should probably be based on
 refinement, and also I don't think the exact cutoff makes a huge difference
 (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23793146)

 Phil

 On 15 Aug 2014, at 15:54, Ed Pozharski pozharsk...@gmail.com wrote:

  Same here.  Ultimately, the KD test must be used in the end to finalize
 the resolution (keeping in mind recently discussed issues of effective
 resolution given data completeness).  I just want to add that at least some
 versions of aimless report overestimated resolution based on CC1/2 cutoff
 when outliers are present (e.g. due to ice rings or salt diffraction). It
 seems that aimless just picks the highest resolution bin where cc1/2 0.5
 even if some lower resolution bins are below 0.5 as well. I have written a
 script for more robust automated evaluation of these curves.  In a
 nutshell, it fits CC1/2 (d) curve to 1/(1+exp (-x)) and returns the
 resolution at midpoint.  I'm pretty sure that theoretical CC1/2 (d)
 dependence is different from this, but it seems good enough for a rough
 estimate.
 
 
  Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® III
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Original message 
  From: Roger Rowlett
  Date:08/14/2014 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
  To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
  Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CC-half value ??
 
  Exactly. Aimless will give you suggested resolution cutoffs based on CC
 1/2 in the log file.
 
  Roger Rowlett
 
  On Aug 14, 2014 5:04 PM, conan仙人指路 conan_...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Hi Faisal,
 
CC-half standard is valuable in evaluating the cut-off of highest
 resolution. Sometimes even if I/sigI is close to 1 and completeness is not
 as high, if CC-half is still significant, it may be worth incorporate the
 extra high-res shell data and extend the resolution. Again, if only the
 reliability and unbias are carefully confirmed, and the apparent
 significant CC-half is not due to an artifact of some other factors like
 ice ring etc.
  (Ref: Karplus PA and Diederichs K. 2012 Science 336, 1030-1033
 https://www.pubmed.com/pubmed/22628654)
 
It has yet to be appreciated by most population of the crystallography
 society, unlike the I/sigI, completeness, Rsym. In particular, Rsym has
 gradually less a direct measurement of the data quality and or determinant
 of resolution cut-off.
 
  Best,
  Conan
 
  Hongnan Cao, Ph.D.
  Department of Biochemistry
  Rice University
 
  Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:39:48 +0530
  From: faisaltari...@gmail.com
  Subject: [ccp4bb] CC-half value ??
  To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 
  Dear all
 
  How CC-half value of a data set determines the maximum resolution limit
 during data processing ?? Although much we know about the Rsym and I/Isig
 values of the highest resolution shell while processing the data, what are
 the parameters we need to check related to CC-half values ??
 
  --
  Regards
 
  Faisal
  School of Life Sciences
  JNU
 




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Regards

Faisal
School of Life Sciences
JNU


Re: [ccp4bb] Zinc binding protein expressed from insect cells

2014-08-15 Thread Roger Rowlett

Harvey,

Depending on the zinc-binding site, it may not bind Fe(II) at all. 
Zn(II) and Fe(II) have very different preferred ligand binding 
environments. For many zinc-metalloenzymes, substitution with Fe(II) 
would be difficult to impossible. In general, you will find it very 
difficult to make your non-defined expression medium zinc-deficient. 
Zinc is a very common component of complex media, and is also a very 
common adventitious contaminant. Ideally, you will want to include the 
metal ion in the expression medium so that it can be incorporated at the 
time of protein synthesis. In many cases, this will enhance the 
stability of the synthesized protein. For bacterial overexpression at 
very high protein levels, 10-100 uM metal ion is more than plenty. More 
than that is actually toxic in bacterial systems, as it may impede 
critical iron transport into cells. But we have found that complex media 
already contains more than enough zinc to populate overexpressed 
proteins. We only supplement when we are trying to make 
metallosubstituted protein, in which case we use defined zinc-deficient 
media and supplement with a compatible metal ion (e.g., Co(II)) at 
10-100 uM maximum in bacterial systems. Even that is tricky, as we need 
some trace metals to populate other metalloenzymes without introducing 
too much in the way of zinc-containing impurities.


Most zinc-metalloenzymes will be immune to metal chelation by DTT or 
BME, as the protein-metal binding constants will be orders of magnitude 
higher. (Values  10^(12) are typical.) Even EDTA is not enough for many 
(most?) Cys(2)His(2) or Cys(2)His(OH2) sites. It is very unlikely that 
1-5 mM DTT will be able to extract Zn from a metalloenzyme binding site. 
(We stored a particularly unstable Cys-rich zinc-metalloprotein in 100 
mM DTT(!) and 2 mM EDTA (!!) and 50% glycerol and it is stable 
indefinitely at -20 deg C without detectable Zn loss.)


You may have to evaluate the metal-binding strength of your protein 
experimentally or by comparison to homologous proteins. If the binding 
constan is expected to be 10^(10), I don't think you need to worry too 
much about DTT or BME.


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On 8/15/2014 11:03 AM, Harvey Rodriguez wrote:

Dear all,

Sorry for the non-crystallographic question. Currently I am working on 
a zinc binding protein which is expressed in insect cells and may 
contain 4-6 zinc ions. As we know, so many zinc binding proteins can 
absorb the iron ions from the culture medium and the protein looks 
from yellow to dark red when concentrated. But when I concentrate the 
protein, I didn’t see the red color even in the very high 
concentration. I am just wondering if a zinc binding protein is 
expressed from insect or mammalian cells, can the zinc binding sites 
grab the irons instead of zinc or the zinc binding site can be empty 
loaded if there is not enough zinc in the culture medium? If so, do I 
need to include some zinc salt into the culture medium when doing 
expression or I can add some zinc ions when purifying? Usually, how 
much zinc and at which step of purification can we add the zinc into 
the solution when doing purification?


Another question is that we know DTT can react with the heavy atoms to 
form the insoluble sulfide precipitates and if the zinc binding 
protein is purified with DTT at a final concentration of 1-5 mM, can 
it strip the zinc ions from the protein?


I am appreciated if someone has this kind of experimental experiences 
and thanks in advance!


Heng




Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2014-08-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmm - Phaser doesn't usually use such high resolution data? Surprised you
are getting any stuff from resolutions higher that 2A.

Whether the intensity  at that resolution is meaningful would need careful
inspection of the truncate logs - is the wilson plot reasonable? Are the
4th moments linear, etc etc..
Lets look on Monday

Eleanor


On 15 August 2014 08:14, Huw Jenkins h.t.jenk...@me.com wrote:

 Hi

 I seem to be getting a lot of outliers rejected by Phaser with data
 processed with the latest ctruncate which are not present when data is
 processed with  the older version (or old truncate) - has something been
 changed in the code that would cause this?

 With CCP4 6.4: ctruncate version 1.15.9 : 15/07/14

 Phaser logfile:

 Outliers with a probability less than 1e-06 will be rejected
There were 489 (0.5620%) reflections rejected

   HKL   resoF probability
   94   49   1.65  126.969   8.862e-41
  -25   50   1.66  124.322   2.404e-30
   05   50   1.66  131.982   3.516e-35
 -147   47   1.66  123.548   3.541e-27
  20   20   35   1.66   87.870   5.191e-88
  -1   15   46   1.66  114.059  8.326e-130
  -6   21   41   1.67  104.887   7.047e-50
  -94   49   1.67  120.765   5.821e-22
   3   34   20   1.67   93.244   6.844e-41
   74   49   1.67  131.702   2.985e-36
  -3   34   20   1.67  106.603   5.786e-57
   4   370   1.67  119.036   3.934e-48
   1   16   45   1.67  107.599   2.356e-55
 -149   46   1.67  122.033   2.371e-24
  -5   33   22   1.67  110.802   3.492e-60
   3   33   22   1.68  102.663   6.189e-46
  -74   49   1.68  120.855   1.875e-20
  -26   49   1.68  132.650   6.233e-84
   9   19   41   1.68   91.717   2.857e-21
 -17   12   43   1.69  112.959   5.298e-37
More than 20 outliers (see VERBOSE output)


 With  CCP4 6.4: ctruncate version 1.15.5 : 05/06/14

 Phaser logfile:

 Outliers with a probability less than 1e-06 will be rejected
There were 1 (0.0011%) reflections rejected

   HKL   resoF probability
   020  31.00  913.757   1.369e-08

 Thanks,


 Huw


Re: [ccp4bb] desiring untouched ligand

2014-08-15 Thread Remie Fawaz-Touma
Hi all and thanks for your input.

I am trying to fix a sugar chain that has consecutive glucoses and I need the 
angle C-O-C to be as close to 104 degrees as possible keeping alpha bonds 
between the sugars, so when I do a Real Space Refinement in Coot, the structure 
gives angles close enough to 104, and the C-O bonds are at acceptable lengths.

Running refmac 5 afterwards always deviates the angles by a great amount to 145 
degrees or more for most of the angles. So when I run a Real Space Refinement 
in Coot for the Refmac5 product, the angles readjust to what is “normal” close 
to 104.
I have tried restrained and rigid body refinement. And I did external harmonic 
restraints according to suggestions below by creating a pdb file having only 
the sentence: external harmonic residues from 843 E to 850 E sigma 0.02”, 
but I still get very wide angles, any suggestion?

Thanks for your help,
Remie

On Aug 14, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Robert Nicholls nicho...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk 
wrote:

 Hi Remie,
 
 You could always generate self-restraints using one chain or a specific part 
 of a chain using prosmart. These will ensure that the model does not move too 
 far from its current conformation. Let me know if you want help to do this.
 
 Regards,
 Rob
 
 
 On 14 Aug 2014, at 16:11, Remie Fawaz-Touma wrote:
 
 Thank you Dr. Murshudov for the information. But please I still need help.
 
 In restrained refinement, I could not find where to enter the residues I 
 want to restrict from moving much. I was only able to find that in rigid 
 body refinement, so I tried it and got a higher R factor than the initial 
 file (before refinement). 
 
 Is it normal to get a higher R factor when doing rigid body refinement?  if 
 not, any suggestion regarding what could be wrong?
 
 Is there a way to restrict one chain or part of a chain from moving much 
 while doing restrained refinement? 
 
 Thank you for any input,
 
 Remie
 
 On Aug 13, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Garib Murshudov ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Remie,
 
 You can add harmonic restraints for parts you do not want to move too much. 
 Instructions could be found here:
 http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/groups/murshudov/content/refmac/refmac_keywords.html#Harmonic
 
 
 Regards
 Garib
 
 
 On 13 Aug 2014, at 15:44, Remie Fawaz-Touma remiefa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Does anyone know of a way to refine with CCP4 - Refmac5 (restrained 
 refinement is what I do) fixing a part of the the ligand?
 
 Thank you very much for your input,
 
 Remie
 
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