[cctalk] Houston Instruments HiPlot Plotters - Pens?

[Gordon Henderson via cctalk]

I have a HiPlot plotter - it's DMP-29, but I'm fairly sure it takes the 
same pens as the DMP-2 which I also have but in a million pieces - but 
right now without pens.


I have been promised some but it may be many weeks...

I'm wondering if anyone has any old (or NOS?) pens for them? What I'm 
after is the dimensions with a view to 3D printing new pens - or at least 
pen holders so I can fit modern pens into. (There is no height restriction 
on the pen bodys)


Can anyone help?

(I'm in the UK if anyone has any physical pens available - please 
let me know)


Thanks,

Gordon

[cctalk] Re: Houston Instruments HiPlot Plotters - Pens?

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Gordon Henderson via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a HiPlot plotter - it's DMP-29, but I'm fairly sure it takes the same 
> pens as the DMP-2 which I also have but in a million pieces - but right now 
> without pens.
> 
> I have been promised some but it may be many weeks...
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has any old (or NOS?) pens for them? What I'm after 
> is the dimensions with a view to 3D printing new pens - or at least pen 
> holders so I can fit modern pens into. (There is no height restriction on the 
> pen bodys)
> 
> Can anyone help?

Some searching turned up this:

https://www.buz-line.com/p-1766-hi-plotter-pens-k-style-for-dpp-houston-instrument-similar-plotters.aspx

Expensive...

It's hard to be sure, but I wonder if a standard Rotring (a.k.a., Radiograph) 
technical pen will work.  Those were commonly used in plotters, for example I 
remember using a Calcomp plotter with one of those.  And those are obviously 
refillable, and available in any number of sizes.  Not to mention great drawing 
tools to have around -- I wonder where mine is.

paul

[cctalk] Re: SCO on Virtualbox

[geneb via cctalk]

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:


Years ago I had the 5.25" installation floppies and the important yellow
slips of paper with the authorisation keys to install the operating system
and various extensions

Sadly I tossed them when I moved to FreeBSD.

Nowadays - I wonder how useful the installers would be without the licence
/ activation keys?



Keys can be...generated these days. :)

g.

--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

[John Herron via cctalk]

That price is interesting.  Does that imply the value has gone down after
some skyrocketed close to 1 million? One still has to make the decision of
a owning a house or an apple 1.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 1:08 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Aug 2023, Murray McCullough wrote:
> > Classic computers have a value in our capitalist society. Take the
> Apple-1:
>
> Not necessarily. Something only gets a value if there is a demand or
> market. As I repeatedly see old classic systems scrapped because nobody
> wants them/has space to store them, there can't be such a high value. For
> example, how do you tax a Mincal 523? We have the only one that survived.
> I'd say, it's "priceless", you can't attribute a value to it, because
> there's neither a market nor a reference to compare with.
> The only reason why the Apple 1 has a monetary value is because it has
> become a pure investment object. Everything else is just worthless, except
> perhaps the video shift registers ;-)
>
> Christian
>

[cctalk] Re: SCO on Virtualbox

[emanuel stiebler via cctalk]

On 2023-08-03 20:29, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:



On 8/3/23 13:21, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:

My efforts have failed. My host is Ubuntu 22.04 with Virtualbox 7.0.10.
I'd be curious given the nature of SCO if anyone has posted the goods to 
install any of them, and what versions.


Wasn't there a joke back than, that if somebody figure out, how to 
install SCO on any machine, he was considered a "computer guru"?

[cctalk] Re: Houston Instruments HiPlot Plotters - Pens?

[Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk]

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Koning via cctalk 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 2:40 PM
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Cc: Paul Koning 
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Houston Instruments HiPlot Plotters - Pens?
> 
> 
> 
> > On Aug 4, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Gordon Henderson via cctalk
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have a HiPlot plotter - it's DMP-29, but I'm fairly sure it takes the
same pens
> as the DMP-2 which I also have but in a million pieces - but right now
without
> pens.
> >
> > I have been promised some but it may be many weeks...
> >
> > I'm wondering if anyone has any old (or NOS?) pens for them? What I'm
after
> is the dimensions with a view to 3D printing new pens - or at least pen
holders so
> I can fit modern pens into. (There is no height restriction on the pen
bodys)
> >
> > Can anyone help?
> 
> Some searching turned up this:
> 
> https://www.buz-line.com/p-1766-hi-plotter-pens-k-style-for-dpp-houston-
> instrument-similar-plotters.aspx
> 
> Expensive...
> 
> It's hard to be sure, but I wonder if a standard Rotring (a.k.a.,
Radiograph)
> technical pen will work.  Those were commonly used in plotters, for
example I
> remember using a Calcomp plotter with one of those.  And those are
obviously
> refillable, and available in any number of sizes.  Not to mention great
drawing
> tools to have around -- I wonder where mine is.
> 
>   paul

Looking at the documents for the DMP-29 those need an adaptor

Dave

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

[Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk]

I did some testing on the image sets using simh.
I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50
, because simh expects them to be in
logical order.
Results:
ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good
MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error:










*sim> ATT RQ2 RSTS21-3.RX5%SIM-INFO: RQ2: 'RSTS21-3.RX5' Contains a RSTS
File system%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Pack ID: MICR3  Revision Level: 1.2 Pack
Clustersize: 1%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Last Unallocated Sector In File System:
799sim> c?Error opening Backup set?Device hung or write lockedMount volume
3 on device _DU2:Press RETURN when ready:*

MicroRSX V2.1: Have not found out yet which one of the images is the one to
start with. Is the image set complete?
I thought that RSX4-I.IMG  was
the one (with an I instead of a 1), but all I got was:
*Trap stack push abort, PC: 14 (40)*
Maybe that image is bad, too ...

Ulli

Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um 00:55 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>:

> Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and
> https://www.crystel.com/pro350
>
> MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss
>
> On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote:
> > Chris,
> > I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for
> POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to  try to get the software
> running under RSX11M+ if possible.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
> >> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Chris Zach mailto:c...@alembic.crystel.com
> >>
> >> Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there
> >> Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT
> >> To: CCTalk mailing list  cctalk@classiccmp.org>>
> >> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org >
> >>
> >>
> >> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that 3.2
> is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk in
> the distro) however are these disks out there now?
> >>
> >> Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies
> >> POS V2.0a on floppies
> >>
> >> POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing
> called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and instruction
> disks)
> >>
> >> POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere)
> >>
> >> Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2
> >>
> >> SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone heard
> of this?)
> >>
> >> If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the
> mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Chris
> >> (Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will give
> me a hint into how DEC ported POS)
>

[cctalk] Re: Houston Instruments HiPlot Plotters - Pens?

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
>> ...
>> Some searching turned up this:
>> 
>> https://www.buz-line.com/p-1766-hi-plotter-pens-k-style-for-dpp-houston-
>> instrument-similar-plotters.aspx
>> 
>> Expensive...
>> 
>> It's hard to be sure, but I wonder if a standard Rotring (a.k.a.,
> Radiograph)
>> technical pen will work.  Those were commonly used in plotters, for
> example I
>> remember using a Calcomp plotter with one of those.  And those are
> obviously
>> refillable, and available in any number of sizes.  Not to mention great
> drawing
>> tools to have around -- I wonder where mine is.
>> 
>>  paul
> 
> Looking at the documents for the DMP-29 those need an adaptor
> 
> Dave

Nice, so that means such a pen would indeed be suitable.

Perhaps the adapter is merely a sleeve with matching threads for the plotter 
and the pen?  3D printing was mentioned, an adapter like that would be a simple 
exercise.  (Ditto for someone with a lathe.)

paul

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

Did you build SIMH with the latest fixes?  Within the past few weeks I merged a 
fix to the RQ device emulation.  The previous code would mishandle a detach 
followed by attach on what was supposed to be a device supporting removable 
media, and that error message sounds familiar.

paul

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did some testing on the image sets using simh.
> I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50
> , because simh expects them to be in
> logical order.
> Results:
> ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good
> MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *sim> ATT RQ2 RSTS21-3.RX5%SIM-INFO: RQ2: 'RSTS21-3.RX5' Contains a RSTS
> File system%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Pack ID: MICR3  Revision Level: 1.2 Pack
> Clustersize: 1%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Last Unallocated Sector In File System:
> 799sim> c?Error opening Backup set?Device hung or write lockedMount volume
> 3 on device _DU2:Press RETURN when ready:*
> 
> MicroRSX V2.1: Have not found out yet which one of the images is the one to
> start with. Is the image set complete?
> I thought that RSX4-I.IMG  was
> the one (with an I instead of a 1), but all I got was:
> *Trap stack push abort, PC: 14 (40)*
> Maybe that image is bad, too ...
> 
> Ulli
> 
> Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um 00:55 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>:
> 
>> Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and
>> https://www.crystel.com/pro350
>> 
>> MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss
>> 
>> On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>>I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for
>> POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to  try to get the software
>> running under RSX11M+ if possible.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark
>>> 
 On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:
 
 From: Chris Zach mailto:c...@alembic.crystel.com
 
 Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there
 Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT
 To: CCTalk mailing list > cctalk@classiccmp.org>>
 Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org >
 
 
 Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that 3.2
>> is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk in
>> the distro) however are these disks out there now?
 
 Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies
 POS V2.0a on floppies
 
 POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing
>> called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and instruction
>> disks)
 
 POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere)
 
 Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2
 
 SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone heard
>> of this?)
 
 If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the
>> mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives
 
 Thanks!
 Chris
 (Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will give
>> me a hint into how DEC ported POS)
>> 

[cctalk] Re: Houston Instruments HiPlot Plotters - Pens?

[Gordon Henderson via cctalk]

On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:


On Aug 4, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Gordon Henderson via cctalk  
wrote:


I have a HiPlot plotter - it's DMP-29, but I'm fairly sure it takes the 
same pens as the DMP-2 which I also have but in a million pieces - but 
right now without pens.


I have been promised some but it may be many weeks...

I'm wondering if anyone has any old (or NOS?) pens for them? What I'm 
after is the dimensions with a view to 3D printing new pens - or at 
least pen holders so I can fit modern pens into. (There is no height 
restriction on the pen bodys)


Can anyone help?


Some searching turned up this:

https://www.buz-line.com/p-1766-hi-plotter-pens-k-style-for-dpp-houston-instrument-similar-plotters.aspx

Expensive...


And it's not quite the right profile.

It's hard to be sure, but I wonder if a standard Rotring (a.k.a., 
Radiograph) technical pen will work.  Those were commonly used in 
plotters, for example I remember using a Calcomp plotter with one of 
those.  And those are obviously refillable, and available in any number 
of sizes.  Not to mention great drawing tools to have around -- I wonder 
where mine is.


They have a stepped profile which seems different from other plotters of 
the era (HP, etc.) so no different from inkjet cartridges now, I guess.


I have discovered that they were bought out by Summagraphics and is it 
possible to get pens from some outlet in Romania, but again very expensive 
)-:


https://www.summa.ro/cutter-plotter-fiber-tip-pens-p-30.html


But I guess I only need one then I can get its size then I suspect turning 
them on a lathe to take some standard rollerball type refill might be 
easier than 3D printing them...


I'll keep looking,

Cheers,

Gordon

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

Apple 1 prices have definitely peaked...for now. But you won't find one for
a few funded dollars in your lifetime, if ever. They're now an object of a
rich man's obsession.

Sellam

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, 6:51 AM John Herron via cctalk 
wrote:

> That price is interesting.  Does that imply the value has gone down after
> some skyrocketed close to 1 million? One still has to make the decision of
> a owning a house or an apple 1.
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 1:08 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2 Aug 2023, Murray McCullough wrote:
> > > Classic computers have a value in our capitalist society. Take the
> > Apple-1:
> >
> > Not necessarily. Something only gets a value if there is a demand or
> > market. As I repeatedly see old classic systems scrapped because nobody
> > wants them/has space to store them, there can't be such a high value. For
> > example, how do you tax a Mincal 523? We have the only one that survived.
> > I'd say, it's "priceless", you can't attribute a value to it, because
> > there's neither a market nor a reference to compare with.
> > The only reason why the Apple 1 has a monetary value is because it has
> > become a pure investment object. Everything else is just worthless,
> except
> > perhaps the video shift registers ;-)
> >
> > Christian
> >
>

[cctalk] Re: Houston Instruments HiPlot Plotters - Pens?

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Gordon Henderson via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Gordon Henderson via cctalk 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a HiPlot plotter - it's DMP-29, but I'm fairly sure it takes the 
>>> same pens as the DMP-2 which I also have but in a million pieces - but 
>>> right now without pens.
>>> 
>>> I have been promised some but it may be many weeks...
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has any old (or NOS?) pens for them? What I'm after 
>>> is the dimensions with a view to 3D printing new pens - or at least pen 
>>> holders so I can fit modern pens into. (There is no height restriction on 
>>> the pen bodys)
>>> 
>>> Can anyone help?
>> 
>> Some searching turned up this:
>> 
>> https://www.buz-line.com/p-1766-hi-plotter-pens-k-style-for-dpp-houston-instrument-similar-plotters.aspx
>> 
>> Expensive...
> 
> And it's not quite the right profile.
> 
>> It's hard to be sure, but I wonder if a standard Rotring (a.k.a., 
>> Radiograph) technical pen will work.  Those were commonly used in plotters, 
>> for example I remember using a Calcomp plotter with one of those.  And those 
>> are obviously refillable, and available in any number of sizes.  Not to 
>> mention great drawing tools to have around -- I wonder where mine is.
> 
> They have a stepped profile which seems different from other plotters of the 
> era (HP, etc.) so no different from inkjet cartridges now, I guess.

Some more searching turned up an old reference to adapters for various plotters 
for Koh-I-Noor "Rapidoplot" plotter pens, which I believe are the same as 
Rapidograph minus the body for holding the pen in the hand.  And another 
https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/99601.pdf 
 shows adapters for Mars 
technical pens, that's another brand I remember for the same kind of pens.   It 
mentions part number 75PL03H10 and a search for that turns up a Rakuten website 
(in French) offering it.

paul

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

[Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk]

Has anyone tested Chris' images with real RX50s and a real PDP-11?
If not, could please someone try the MicroRSTS V2.1 images?

Thanks!

Ulli

Am Fr., 4. Aug. 2023 um 18:33 Uhr schrieb Hans-Ulrich Hölscher <
vaxorc...@googlemail.com>:

> I did some testing on the image sets using simh.
> I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50
> , because simh expects them to be in
> logical order.
> Results:
> ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good
> MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *sim> ATT RQ2 RSTS21-3.RX5%SIM-INFO: RQ2: 'RSTS21-3.RX5' Contains a RSTS
> File system%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Pack ID: MICR3  Revision Level: 1.2 Pack
> Clustersize: 1%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Last Unallocated Sector In File System:
> 799sim> c?Error opening Backup set?Device hung or write lockedMount volume
> 3 on device _DU2:Press RETURN when ready:*
>
> MicroRSX V2.1: Have not found out yet which one of the images is the one
> to start with. Is the image set complete?
> I thought that RSX4-I.IMG  was
> the one (with an I instead of a 1), but all I got was:
> *Trap stack push abort, PC: 14 (40)*
> Maybe that image is bad, too ...
>
> Ulli
>
> Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um 00:55 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>:
>
>> Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and
>> https://www.crystel.com/pro350
>>
>> MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss
>>
>> On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote:
>> > Chris,
>> > I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for
>> POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to  try to get the software
>> running under RSX11M+ if possible.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:
>> >>
>> >> From: Chris Zach > c...@alembic.crystel.com>>
>> >> Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there
>> >> Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT
>> >> To: CCTalk mailing list > cctalk@classiccmp.org>>
>> >> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that
>> 3.2 is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk
>> in the distro) however are these disks out there now?
>> >>
>> >> Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies
>> >> POS V2.0a on floppies
>> >>
>> >> POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing
>> called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and instruction
>> disks)
>> >>
>> >> POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere)
>> >>
>> >> Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2
>> >>
>> >> SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone
>> heard of this?)
>> >>
>> >> If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the
>> mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >> Chris
>> >> (Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will give
>> me a hint into how DEC ported POS)
>>
>

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Mike Stein via cctalk]

Too far away to make shipping practical, but I'm curious: what's the
experiment about?

Glad you're happy with the PC-5000 etc.; no interest in the monitor I take
it?

m

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 1:19 AM Steve Lewis via cctalk 
wrote:

> I can't make it to VCF this weekend - though I'm hoping to make it to the
> one in September.
>
> I actually am looking for something: any working IEC device for a C64 (1541
> drive, printer, plotter?).   More for an experiment than collection, but do
> prefer clean and presentable.
>
>
> Earlier this year, I reached someone with a working Poly-88.  But then in
> March they reported health issues and hospital stays, so I haven't heard
> since.  Would be interested if anyone else is aware of a still-working one.
>
> We're still working on recovery of an IBM 5100 "launch title" tape
> (analytic functions) - practicing with other tapes first.  Its 2-channel
> deal so far isn't quite that straightforward.  But if the Tektronics folks
> can do it with their QIC tapes, I'm somewhat hopeful we can too (although
> late 70s/early 80s Tektronic is apparently a more proper IEEE-488).
>
> Only thing I could offer right now is a fairly not-working 5110 (display
> don't work, PSU don't work, cards don't work - but the case is pristine).
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:49 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > >> I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.
> > >>
> > >> I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort
> and
> > >> pack for sale and giveaway.
> > >> --
> > >> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > > We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point.  That way, they
> > come
> > > to you.
> > >
> > > I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)
> >
> > Yes, but you handed it over to a swell bunch of people before I finished
> > parting with my stuff!
> >
> > --
> > Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> >
>

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

[Peter Corlett via cctalk]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2023 at 08:51:31AM -0500, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> That price is interesting. Does that imply the value has gone down after
> some skyrocketed close to 1 million? One still has to make the decision of
> a owning a house or an apple 1.

Well, both of them are treated as speculative investments, putting them out
of reach of people who just want the pleasure of using them rather than
looking for the next bagholder. The main difference is that I can just buy
the parts to build my own Apple 1 and nobody's going to stop me, whereas if
I try that with a house the local authority gets quite upset.

[cctalk] Re: VCF this weekend, any one up for a trade?

[Steve Lewis via cctalk]

Seeing what (if any) IEC devices work with the Commander X16.  1541
emulator is working, would like to verify with real hardware tho (and also
verify if can "daisy chain" multiple Devices).  Tentatively someone is
having an issue with the 1541 physical drive on that system (think it has a
"software controlled" thing to change it's Device Number, and maybe that's
not working? still investigating, but not yet ready to gamble on an
untested ebay one -- and need some physical disks to go with it, don't
think my 8" IBM floppies will fit { joke! :P }).

Very happy with the PC-5000!  Just still couldn't find a compatible disk
drive (turns out the 37-pin at the rear isn't compatible with the IBM
drives, need to find some Sharp specific model).
But sorry, what monitor?  I am kind of "monitor'd out" right now - have
about five CRTs, they all work well, but they eat up quite a bit of space.

-Steve

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:42 PM Mike Stein via cctalk 
wrote:

> Too far away to make shipping practical, but I'm curious: what's the
> experiment about?
>
> Glad you're happy with the PC-5000 etc.; no interest in the monitor I take
> it?
>
> m
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 1:19 AM Steve Lewis via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I can't make it to VCF this weekend - though I'm hoping to make it to the
> > one in September.
> >
> > I actually am looking for something: any working IEC device for a C64
> (1541
> > drive, printer, plotter?).   More for an experiment than collection, but
> do
> > prefer clean and presentable.
> >
> >
> > Earlier this year, I reached someone with a working Poly-88.  But then in
> > March they reported health issues and hospital stays, so I haven't heard
> > since.  Would be interested if anyone else is aware of a still-working
> one.
> >
> > We're still working on recovery of an IBM 5100 "launch title" tape
> > (analytic functions) - practicing with other tapes first.  Its 2-channel
> > deal so far isn't quite that straightforward.  But if the Tektronics
> folks
> > can do it with their QIC tapes, I'm somewhat hopeful we can too (although
> > late 70s/early 80s Tektronic is apparently a more proper IEEE-488).
> >
> > Only thing I could offer right now is a fairly not-working 5110 (display
> > don't work, PSU don't work, cards don't work - but the case is pristine).
> >
> > -Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:49 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > >> I did not get any of whatever mailings there were.
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't exhibit, but I do have an excessive amount of stuff to sort
> > and
> > > >> pack for sale and giveaway.
> > > >> --
> > > >> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > > > We'll just have to organize a VCF Fred at some point.  That way, they
> > > come
> > > > to you.
> > > >
> > > > I mean, after all, that's why I started the VCF ;)
> > >
> > > Yes, but you handed it over to a swell bunch of people before I
> finished
> > > parting with my stuff!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> > >
> >
>

[cctalk] Re: SCO on Virtualbox

[Kelly Leavitt via cctalk]

From: emanuel stiebler via cctalk 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 10:20 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Cc: jim stephens ; emanuel stiebler 
Subject: [cctalk] Re: SCO on Virtualbox

>> On 2023-08-03 20:29, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 8/3/23 13:21, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
>>> My efforts have failed. My host is Ubuntu 22.04 with Virtualbox 7.0.10.
>> I'd be curious given the nature of SCO if anyone has posted the goods to
>> install any of them, and what versions.
>
>Wasn't there a joke back than, that if somebody figure out, how to
>install SCO on any machine, he was considered a "computer guru"?

Oh, for the love of god, it wasn't that difficult.

We were an SCO shop for a decade. Maybe more. It worked really well for us.

We had WordPerfect, Lotus and dBase.

You want difficult, try using Tandy Xenix with Scripsit, Multiplan and 
filePro16+

Kelly

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

[Christopher Zach via cctalk]

Thank you I will rescan the third disk.

On August 4, 2023 12:33:31 PM EDT, "Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk" 
 wrote:
>I did some testing on the image sets using simh.
>I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50
>, because simh expects them to be in
>logical order.
>Results:
>ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good
>MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>*sim> ATT RQ2 RSTS21-3.RX5%SIM-INFO: RQ2: 'RSTS21-3.RX5' Contains a RSTS
>File system%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Pack ID: MICR3  Revision Level: 1.2 Pack
>Clustersize: 1%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Last Unallocated Sector In File System:
>799sim> c?Error opening Backup set?Device hung or write lockedMount volume
>3 on device _DU2:Press RETURN when ready:*
>
>MicroRSX V2.1: Have not found out yet which one of the images is the one to
>start with. Is the image set complete?
>I thought that RSX4-I.IMG  was
>the one (with an I instead of a 1), but all I got was:
>*Trap stack push abort, PC: 14 (40)*
>Maybe that image is bad, too ...
>
>Ulli
>
>Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um 00:55 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk <
>cctalk@classiccmp.org>:
>
>> Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and
>> https://www.crystel.com/pro350
>>
>> MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss
>>
>> On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote:
>> > Chris,
>> > I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for
>> POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to  try to get the software
>> running under RSX11M+ if possible.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:
>> >>
>> >> From: Chris Zach > >> > >>
>> >> Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there
>> >> Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT
>> >> To: CCTalk mailing list > cctalk@classiccmp.org>>
>> >> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that 3.2
>> is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk in
>> the distro) however are these disks out there now?
>> >>
>> >> Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies
>> >> POS V2.0a on floppies
>> >>
>> >> POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing
>> called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and instruction
>> disks)
>> >>
>> >> POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere)
>> >>
>> >> Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2
>> >>
>> >> SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone heard
>> of this?)
>> >>
>> >> If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the
>> mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >> Chris
>> >> (Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will give
>> me a hint into how DEC ported POS)
>>

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

[Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk]

Chris,

Thanks for your kind offer to re-image the third floppy!
May I politely repeat Mattis' request to scan the disk labels?
I'm especially interested in the DEC order numbers (like "BL-X-XX")
that are printed on them - I use them as the primary key in my DECdoc
database.
The floppy names (e.g. "ROOT #1") are very useful/important sometimes, too.

Thank you again for your understanding and willingness to help!

Ulli


Am Fr., 4. Aug. 2023 um 20:49 Uhr schrieb Christopher Zach via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>:

> Thank you I will rescan the third disk.
>
> On August 4, 2023 12:33:31 PM EDT, "Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk" <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >I did some testing on the image sets using simh.
> >I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50
> >, because simh expects them to be in
> >logical order.
> >Results:
> >ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good
> >MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >*sim> ATT RQ2 RSTS21-3.RX5%SIM-INFO: RQ2: 'RSTS21-3.RX5' Contains a RSTS
> >File system%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Pack ID: MICR3  Revision Level: 1.2 Pack
> >Clustersize: 1%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Last Unallocated Sector In File System:
> >799sim> c?Error opening Backup set?Device hung or write lockedMount volume
> >3 on device _DU2:Press RETURN when ready:*
> >
> >MicroRSX V2.1: Have not found out yet which one of the images is the one
> to
> >start with. Is the image set complete?
> >I thought that RSX4-I.IMG  was
> >the one (with an I instead of a 1), but all I got was:
> >*Trap stack push abort, PC: 14 (40)*
> >Maybe that image is bad, too ...
> >
> >Ulli
> >
> >Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um 00:55 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk <
> >cctalk@classiccmp.org>:
> >
> >> Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and
> >> https://www.crystel.com/pro350
> >>
> >> MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss
> >>
> >> On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote:
> >> > Chris,
> >> > I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for
> >> POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to  try to get the
> software
> >> running under RSX11M+ if possible.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >> >> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Chris Zach  c...@alembic.crystel.com
> >> >>
> >> >> Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out
> there
> >> >> Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT
> >> >> To: CCTalk mailing list  >> cctalk@classiccmp.org>>
> >> >> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that
> 3.2
> >> is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk
> in
> >> the distro) however are these disks out there now?
> >> >>
> >> >> Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies
> >> >> POS V2.0a on floppies
> >> >>
> >> >> POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing
> >> called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and
> instruction
> >> disks)
> >> >>
> >> >> POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere)
> >> >>
> >> >> Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2
> >> >>
> >> >> SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone
> heard
> >> of this?)
> >> >>
> >> >> If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the
> >> mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks!
> >> >> Chris
> >> >> (Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will
> give
> >> me a hint into how DEC ported POS)
> >>
>

[cctalk] Re: SCO on Virtualbox

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 8/4/2023 2:46 PM, Kelly Leavitt via cctalk wrote:

From: emanuel stiebler via cctalk 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 10:20 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Cc: jim stephens ; emanuel stiebler 
Subject: [cctalk] Re: SCO on Virtualbox


On 2023-08-03 20:29, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:


On 8/3/23 13:21, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:

My efforts have failed. My host is Ubuntu 22.04 with Virtualbox 7.0.10.

I'd be curious given the nature of SCO if anyone has posted the goods to
install any of them, and what versions.

Wasn't there a joke back than, that if somebody figure out, how to
install SCO on any machine, he was considered a "computer guru"?

Oh, for the love of god, it wasn't that difficult.

We were an SCO shop for a decade. Maybe more. It worked really well for us.

We had WordPerfect, Lotus and dBase.

You want difficult, try using Tandy Xenix with Scripsit, Multiplan and 
filePro16+



What was so difficult about that?  I did it the first time on a 
prototype machine


and then later on production machines.  We had secretaries using 
Scripsit and budget


analysts using Multiplan all the time.  I always preferred Multiplan to 
Visicalc.



bill

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 8/4/2023 1:39 PM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk wrote:

Has anyone tested Chris' images with real RX50s and a real PDP-11?
If not, could please someone try the MicroRSTS V2.1 images?


Which version of RSTS is MicroRSTS V2.1 equivalent to?


bill

[cctalk] 50 pins in three rows

[Cameron Kaiser via cctalk]

In a shipment today I got several AMP-labeled dongles that look like SCSI
terminators ... except the 50 pins are arranged in three rows (17-16-17), not
the Centronics-style 50-pin connector nor the usual 2-pin configuration.

Anyone seen those before, and is it actually SCSI, or is it something else?

-- 
 personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
  Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com
-- Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. -- Oscar Wilde

[cctalk] Re: 50 pins in three rows

[Jonathan Chapman via cctalk]

> Anyone seen those before, and is it actually SCSI, or is it something else?

Common on old Sun SCSI stuff, it's a DD-50. Could be something else, but they 
were indeed used for SCSI termination.

Thanks,
Jonathan

[cctalk] Re: 50 pins in three rows

[Cameron Kaiser via cctalk]

>> Anyone seen those before, and is it actually SCSI, or is it something else?

> Common on old Sun SCSI stuff, it's a DD-50. Could be something else, but they 
> were indeed used for SCSI termination.

Given what else was in there, this makes sense, and they look exactly like a
SCSI terminator should look. TIL. Thanks!

-- 
 personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
  Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com
-- The point of good writing is knowing when to stop. -- Lucy Montgomery --

[cctalk] Re: 50 pins in three rows

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 8/4/23 19:07, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
> In a shipment today I got several AMP-labeled dongles that look like SCSI
> terminators ... except the 50 pins are arranged in three rows (17-16-17), not
> the Centronics-style 50-pin connector nor the usual 2-pin configuration.
> 
> Anyone seen those before, and is it actually SCSI, or is it something else?

Do you mean a DD50: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature

I don't think they have a specific application; I use mine on 8" disk
drives.

--Chuck

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

[Chris Zach via cctalk]

Ok, I took pictures of some of the disks and posted it on the discord 
channel minicomputers. I'm curious to see if RSTS/E loads, it might need 
an RD52 or 53 drive in order to work. I can drag out an RD54 and 
format/test/give it a shot here but the only other drives I have right 
now are RD50 and 51's.


C

On 8/4/2023 3:38 PM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk wrote:

Chris,

Thanks for your kind offer to re-image the third floppy!
May I politely repeat Mattis' request to scan the disk labels?
I'm especially interested in the DEC order numbers (like "BL-X-XX")
that are printed on them - I use them as the primary key in my DECdoc
database.
The floppy names (e.g. "ROOT #1") are very useful/important sometimes, too.

Thank you again for your understanding and willingness to help!

Ulli


Am Fr., 4. Aug. 2023 um 20:49 Uhr schrieb Christopher Zach via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>:


Thank you I will rescan the third disk.

On August 4, 2023 12:33:31 PM EDT, "Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk" <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

I did some testing on the image sets using simh.
I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50
, because simh expects them to be in
logical order.
Results:
ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good
MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error:










*sim> ATT RQ2 RSTS21-3.RX5%SIM-INFO: RQ2: 'RSTS21-3.RX5' Contains a RSTS
File system%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Pack ID: MICR3  Revision Level: 1.2 Pack
Clustersize: 1%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Last Unallocated Sector In File System:
799sim> c?Error opening Backup set?Device hung or write lockedMount volume
3 on device _DU2:Press RETURN when ready:*

MicroRSX V2.1: Have not found out yet which one of the images is the one

to

start with. Is the image set complete?
I thought that RSX4-I.IMG  was
the one (with an I instead of a 1), but all I got was:
*Trap stack push abort, PC: 14 (40)*
Maybe that image is bad, too ...

Ulli

Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um 00:55 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>:


Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and
https://www.crystel.com/pro350

MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss

On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote:

Chris,
 I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software for

POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to  try to get the

software

running under RSX11M+ if possible.

Thanks,
Mark


On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:

From: Chris Zach 
c...@alembic.crystel.com

Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out

there

Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT
To: CCTalk mailing list 
cctalk@classiccmp.org>>

Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <

cctalk@classiccmp.org >


Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that

3.2

is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk

in

the distro) however are these disks out there now?

Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies
POS V2.0a on floppies

POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a thing

called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and

instruction

disks)

POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere)

Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2

SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone

heard

of this?)

If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the

mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives

Thanks!
Chris
(Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will

give

me a hint into how DEC ported POS)

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

[Nigel Williams via cctalk]

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:16 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Which version of RSTS is MicroRSTS V2.1 equivalent to?
>

 From here:
https://groups.google.com/g/net.micro/c/_HXPyIyrSwo/m/MuWDLNE8P48J

"Micro-RSTS comes with RSTS/E V8.0". This means that while buying a
Micro/PDP-11 will get you a general OS license, you are expected to
get the actual media through other means, like having a bigger RSTS
system. The idea here is to allow OEM's to market the Micro/PDP-11 -
and give them REAL control. The end user can't buy Micro-RSTS on RX50's.
(Although one can take his RSTS/E tapes to a Dec office and change
media for a slight fee.)

Previously I was told Micro-RSTS comes pre-genned. I am now told that
the OEM has to make a sil on HIS machine and transfer it to the
Micro-PDP/11.
At present the only compatible media is RL02, with RC25's coming soon.
(RX02's are available too, but make life difficult as they're NFS.)

Micro-RSTS is a genuine RSTS V8.0, minus a few cusps Dec decided
weren't so common. There is a execute-only version of Basic+, and
yyy]}2o}ur swapfiles are most likely very small compared to those on a
full 63 job system. There is nothing stopping you from implementing
full RSTS with Basic+, BP2, etc. I am told the spooling package
IS now only one job... I'll wait to see that.

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

[Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk]

Could you please invite me to the discord channel "minicomputers"?

Thanks!

Ulli

Am Sa., 5. Aug. 2023 um 06:08 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>:

> Ok, I took pictures of some of the disks and posted it on the discord
> channel minicomputers. I'm curious to see if RSTS/E loads, it might need
> an RD52 or 53 drive in order to work. I can drag out an RD54 and
> format/test/give it a shot here but the only other drives I have right
> now are RD50 and 51's.
>
> C
>
> On 8/4/2023 3:38 PM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk wrote:
> > Chris,
> >
> > Thanks for your kind offer to re-image the third floppy!
> > May I politely repeat Mattis' request to scan the disk labels?
> > I'm especially interested in the DEC order numbers (like "BL-X-XX")
> > that are printed on them - I use them as the primary key in my DECdoc
> > database.
> > The floppy names (e.g. "ROOT #1") are very useful/important sometimes,
> too.
> >
> > Thank you again for your understanding and willingness to help!
> >
> > Ulli
> >
> >
> > Am Fr., 4. Aug. 2023 um 20:49 Uhr schrieb Christopher Zach via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org>:
> >
> >> Thank you I will rescan the third disk.
> >>
> >> On August 4, 2023 12:33:31 PM EDT, "Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk" <
> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>> I did some testing on the image sets using simh.
> >>> I had to prepare the images first using lbn2rx50
> >>> , because simh expects them to be in
> >>> logical order.
> >>> Results:
> >>> ULTRIX-11 V3.0: All images good
> >>> MicroRSTS V2.1: The third image throws an error:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *sim> ATT RQ2 RSTS21-3.RX5%SIM-INFO: RQ2: 'RSTS21-3.RX5' Contains a
> RSTS
> >>> File system%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Pack ID: MICR3  Revision Level: 1.2 Pack
> >>> Clustersize: 1%SIM-INFO: RQ2: Last Unallocated Sector In File System:
> >>> 799sim> c?Error opening Backup set?Device hung or write lockedMount
> volume
> >>> 3 on device _DU2:Press RETURN when ready:*
> >>>
> >>> MicroRSX V2.1: Have not found out yet which one of the images is the
> one
> >> to
> >>> start with. Is the image set complete?
> >>> I thought that RSX4-I.IMG 
> was
> >>> the one (with an I instead of a 1), but all I got was:
> >>> *Trap stack push abort, PC: 14 (40)*
> >>> Maybe that image is bad, too ...
> >>>
> >>> Ulli
> >>>
> >>> Am Do., 27. Juli 2023 um 00:55 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk <
> >>> cctalk@classiccmp.org>:
> >>>
>  Ok, files are up on https://www.crystel.com/pdp/os and
>  https://www.crystel.com/pro350
> 
>  MicroRSX, Ultrix11, MicroRSTS/E, and um spss
> 
>  On 7/26/2023 1:51 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote:
> > Chris,
> >  I would be interested in getting a copy of the SSPS/X software
> for
>  POS. I have a manual for SPSS/11 and would love to  try to get the
> >> software
>  running under RSX11M+ if possible.
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
> >> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Chris Zach  >> c...@alembic.crystel.com
> >> Subject: [cctalk] Old Professional/350 software, any of this out
> >> there
> >> Date: July 26, 2023 at 9:30:10 AM CDT
> >> To: CCTalk mailing list   cctalk@classiccmp.org>>
> >> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
>  cctalk@classiccmp.org >
> >>
> >> Starting to go through my boxes of POS stuff. I know of course that
> >> 3.2
>  is out there (minus the Pro/Communications option which has a bad disk
> >> in
>  the distro) however are these disks out there now?
> >> Pro/Venix 1.0 on floppies
> >> POS V2.0a on floppies
> >>
> >> POS version 1.5 (with test diskette, maintenance application, a
> thing
>  called Pro/Pre labelled "Diskette system", system overview and
> >> instruction
>  disks)
> >> POS V1.7 (I have that here somewhere)
> >>
> >> Pro/Basic Version 1.0 and 1.2
> >>
> >> SPSS/X For Professional (this is a really interesting one, anyone
> >> heard
>  of this?)
> >> If so let me know and I won't copy them. If not I'll go over to the
>  mighty Deskpro/XE and start sucking the data off for archives
> >> Thanks!
> >> Chris
> >> (Hoping to find old drivers or scaffolding or something that will
> >> give
>  me a hint into how DEC ported POS)
> 
>