Re: Need help

2007-01-13 Thread Bill Davidsen

Joerg Schilling wrote:

Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

cdrecord works without real problems on Linux-2.6 if you install it correctly
suid root.
  
  
Unfortunately run everything as root is not going to happen on many 
systems, some years ago capabilities were added to Linux, and those are 
the proper way to do access rather than bypassing all security checks. 
Also, the last time I looked the notes you provided only worked if 
security was disabled, selinux won't let you do what you were suggesting.



Looks like you are uninformed :-(
  


I know about capabilities.

Currently there is no more than something in pre-alpha state that could later
become a fine grained security modell (once there is support in userland).
  


You are confused. NSA selinux and capabilities are two totally different 
things. Capabilities have been in Linux since somewhere in 2.2, and are 
hardly pre-alpha.
Check out man privileges on Solaris for more information on what makes a 
ready to use system in this area.
  

I'm discussing the shortcomings of cdrecord under Linux.


Once Linux implements a user ready version of the current experimental
interface, it would make sense to let cdrtools use this interface.
  

The capability library has been around for years.


  

Some old versions do not but this is caused by non-cooperative acting
from the Linux Kernel maintainers: they did introduce a severe incompatible 
interface change after cdrtools had been put into a code freeze state 
for releasing.
  
Caused by fixing a serious security issue... Once the first exploit was 
out it did have to be done quickly, and it did impact applications (not 
just yours). It came at a bad time in your code cycle, but making it 
sound as if the change was made just because they felt like it is simply 
not true. Allowing any SCSI command to go to devices was a hole allowing 
the bad guys to wipe out firmware on hard drives as well as burners, and 
had to be stopped immediately.



You are again uninformed: The security issue was: sending of SCSI commands 
was possible on file descriptors opened with O_RDONLY. The correct fix

for this security bug was to require O_RDWR instead of O_RDONLY.
  


That is like saying that I have to open a file for read and write just 
to read it. Most people don't think allowing general write permission of 
raw devices is a correct fix.


The correct fix was to allow a program to write SCSI commands (such as 
seek and read) with O_READ, but not to let other commands through. And 
it did take some time to get the list of allowed commands correct for 
the general case. And there are cases where odd vendor commands are 
blocked to non-root. Agreed it's not perfect, but it does keep people 
from reconfiguring the firmware when given read access.

This did not harm interfaces but cure the problem. The problem was that
Mr. Torvalds did introduce an incompatible interface change instead although
many people on LKML did send their protest mails.
  


Given a choice of more security or more convenience, I choose security. 
I don't insult people who make other choices, their priorities may be 
different from mine. The choice was made to default to restricted, and 
allow several methods to change that choice.


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Re: Need help

2007-01-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:41:21PM -0800, Shim, JaiX K wrote:
 I tried cdrecord -scanbus. But I got the following error message.
 
  
 
 cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.

Sounds like you run Linux 2.6.

If you want any help, you're going to have to tell us a lot more detail --
which version of cdrecord, which operating system, etc.  (Although if
your platform is Linux 2.6, all the help you'll get is don't try to run
cdrecord -scanbus on Linux 2.6, or possibly we've attempted a workaround
for Linux 2.6 in cdrecord version xx.yy.zz, and you can try that.)

Also, your Subject: line is abysmal.  Some people filter which messages
they'll read based on that, and yours screams unhelpable or spammer.


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Re: Need help

2007-01-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Greg Wooledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:41:21PM -0800, Shim, JaiX K wrote:
  I tried cdrecord -scanbus. But I got the following error message.
  
   
  
  cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.

 Sounds like you run Linux 2.6.

 If you want any help, you're going to have to tell us a lot more detail --
 which version of cdrecord, which operating system, etc.  (Although if
 your platform is Linux 2.6, all the help you'll get is don't try to run
 cdrecord -scanbus on Linux 2.6, or possibly we've attempted a workaround
 for Linux 2.6 in cdrecord version xx.yy.zz, and you can try that.)

This is wrong!

cdrecord works without real problems on Linux-2.6 if you install it correctly
suid root.

ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/
http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/problems.html

Some old versions do not but this is caused by non-cooperative acting
from the Linux Kernel maintainers: they did introduce a severe incompatible 
interface change after cdrtools had been put into a code freeze state 
for releasing.

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Re: Need help

2007-01-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  cdrecord works without real problems on Linux-2.6 if you install it 
  correctly
  suid root.

 Unfortunately run everything as root is not going to happen on many 
 systems, some years ago capabilities were added to Linux, and those are 
 the proper way to do access rather than bypassing all security checks. 
 Also, the last time I looked the notes you provided only worked if 
 security was disabled, selinux won't let you do what you were suggesting.

Looks like you are uninformed :-(

Currently there is no more than something in pre-alpha state that could later
become a fine grained security modell (once there is support in userland).
Check out man privileges on Solaris for more information on what makes a 
ready to use system in this area.

On Solaris, cdrecord really runs without root privileges. On Solaris, 
/usr/bin/cdrecord is a shell script with the following content:

#!/bin/sh
pfexec `dirname $0`/`basename $0`.bin $@

The file /etc/security/exec_attr contains the following entries for cdrtools:

Basic Solaris 
User:solaris:cmd:::/usr/bin/cdrecord.bin:privs=file_dac_read,sys_devices,proc_lock_memory,proc_priocntl,net_privaddr
 
Basic Solaris 
User:solaris:cmd:::/usr/bin/cdda2wav.bin:privs=file_dac_read,sys_devices,proc_priocntl,net_privadd
Basic Solaris 
User:solaris:cmd:::/usr/bin/readcd.bin:privs=file_dac_read,sys_devices,net_privaddr

Once Linux implements a user ready version of the current experimental
interface, it would make sense to let cdrtools use this interface.


  Some old versions do not but this is caused by non-cooperative acting
  from the Linux Kernel maintainers: they did introduce a severe incompatible 
  interface change after cdrtools had been put into a code freeze state 
  for releasing.
 Caused by fixing a serious security issue... Once the first exploit was 
 out it did have to be done quickly, and it did impact applications (not 
 just yours). It came at a bad time in your code cycle, but making it 
 sound as if the change was made just because they felt like it is simply 
 not true. Allowing any SCSI command to go to devices was a hole allowing 
 the bad guys to wipe out firmware on hard drives as well as burners, and 
 had to be stopped immediately.

You are again uninformed: The security issue was: sending of SCSI commands 
was possible on file descriptors opened with O_RDONLY. The correct fix
for this security bug was to require O_RDWR instead of O_RDONLY.
This did not harm interfaces but cure the problem. The problem was that
Mr. Torvalds did introduce an incompatible interface change instead although
many people on LKML did send their protest mails.

Jörg

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Re: Need help

2007-01-11 Thread Norbert Preining
On Don, 11 Jan 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote:
 Mr. Torvalds did introduce an incompatible interface change instead although
 many people on LKML did send their protest mails.

Not again ... Mr. Schilling, we know all this already. You don't have to
iterate everything billion times, nobody is anyway believing you in
this.

Norbert

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Re: Need help

2007-01-11 Thread Bill Davidsen

Joerg Schilling wrote:

Greg Wooledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:41:21PM -0800, Shim, JaiX K wrote:


I tried cdrecord -scanbus. But I got the following error message.

 


cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.
  

Sounds like you run Linux 2.6.

If you want any help, you're going to have to tell us a lot more detail --
which version of cdrecord, which operating system, etc.  (Although if
your platform is Linux 2.6, all the help you'll get is don't try to run
cdrecord -scanbus on Linux 2.6, or possibly we've attempted a workaround
for Linux 2.6 in cdrecord version xx.yy.zz, and you can try that.)



This is wrong!

cdrecord works without real problems on Linux-2.6 if you install it correctly
suid root.
  
Unfortunately run everything as root is not going to happen on many 
systems, some years ago capabilities were added to Linux, and those are 
the proper way to do access rather than bypassing all security checks. 
Also, the last time I looked the notes you provided only worked if 
security was disabled, selinux won't let you do what you were suggesting.


That was some time ago, I did put get current docs on my todo list, 
probably won't happen until tomorrow.

ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/
http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/problems.html

Some old versions do not but this is caused by non-cooperative acting
from the Linux Kernel maintainers: they did introduce a severe incompatible 
interface change after cdrtools had been put into a code freeze state 
for releasing.
Caused by fixing a serious security issue... Once the first exploit was 
out it did have to be done quickly, and it did impact applications (not 
just yours). It came at a bad time in your code cycle, but making it 
sound as if the change was made just because they felt like it is simply 
not true. Allowing any SCSI command to go to devices was a hole allowing 
the bad guys to wipe out firmware on hard drives as well as burners, and 
had to be stopped immediately.


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Re: Need help

2007-01-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 02:57:15PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
 cdrecord works without real problems on Linux-2.6 if you install it correctly
 suid root.
 
 ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/
 http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/problems.html

I looked at the HTTP link above.  It does not contain any of the words
setuid, suid or root.  It doesn't even contain the word install,
except as part of installation, and that's only in the paragraph that
says ATAPI is supported.

So I don't really see why you gave us that URL.

 Some old versions do not [...]

Where old means anything not in my alpha/ subdirectory?


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Re: Need help

2007-01-11 Thread scdbackup
Hi,

 I tried cdrecord -scanbus. But I got the following error message.
 cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.
 Can you help me please?

Looks like you stirred up other much older quarrels.
These quarrels are the reason why we got some wealth of
cdrecord compatible programs. Better too many than too few.

The original:
You might expect help from Joerg Schilling, the author of
cdrecord, if you use his newest release, from 
  ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha
To my knowledge current is:
  ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/cdrtools-2.01.01a23.tar.gz
(For some reason this address does not work for me currently.
traceroute ends at funnel.fokus.fraunhofer.de )
Proper problem reports are indeed on topic here
  cdwrite@other.debian.org
but see below for some hints.

Project cdrkit:
cdrkit contains program wodim which stems from cdrecord
and is therefore very very compatible. 
  http://cdrkit.org
Current seems to be
  http://cdrkit.org/releases/cdrkit-1.1.1.tar.gz
I guess problem reports can be submitted to
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My own effort:
cdrskin is the cdrecord compatibility wrapper of libburn
  http://scdbackup.sourceforge.net/cdrskin_eng.html
current is (i'm sure)
  http://scdbackup.sourceforge.net/cdrskin-0.2.6.pl02.tar.gz
Bug reports and requests can be mailed to
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or submitted at
  http://libburnia.pykix.org/newticket


If you picked the recent release of one of above projects
and then still have the problem: please give some info wether
you were superuser and on what operating system ...

If it is Linux, one reason might be the lack of sg devices.
So the output of this could be interesting:
  ls -l /dev/sg[0-9]*
  lsmod | grep sg


Have a nice day :)

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Re: Need help

2007-01-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The original:
 You might expect help from Joerg Schilling, the author of
 cdrecord, if you use his newest release, from 
   ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha
 To my knowledge current is:
   ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/cdrtools-2.01.01a23.tar.gz
 (For some reason this address does not work for me currently.
 traceroute ends at funnel.fokus.fraunhofer.de )

It did work 3 hours ago... and I did just send a bug report to our
sysadmin for the network.


 Project cdrkit:
 cdrkit contains program wodim which stems from cdrecord
 and is therefore very very compatible. 

I cannot recommend it as it is not very compatible, In fact, it is
incompatible by intention and it is mainly a frozen version of
a one year old cdrtools. During the last year, I did e.g. fix several
dozen old bugs in mkisofs that are still present in this packet.


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Need help

2007-01-10 Thread Shim, JaiX K
Hello,

 

I tried cdrecord -scanbus. But I got the following error message.

 

cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.

 

Can you help me please?

 

Jay Shim



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Re: Need help splitting a directory

2004-12-21 Thread ljknews
At 10:06 PM +0530 10/20/04, _N4R3N_ wrote:
hi


I want to split a directory in to two sub directories

If my home dir is 1000 Mb I can't write it completely on one cd

So i want to split it in to two directories namely

1)naren.bak.1
2)naren.bak.2

so that my /home/naren directory will be split in to two temporary 

directories ..


so that i can write the images of thus formed using mkisofs  

 on two cdroms

Is mkisofs incapable of writing ISO-9660 volume sets ?

Volume sets can be comprised of up to 32767 volumes, probably
more than enough for your largest directory :-)
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Re: Need help splitting a directory

2004-10-21 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 20 Oct, _N4R3N_ wrote:
 
 
 hi
 
 
 I want to split a directory in to two sub directories
 
 If my home dir is 1000 Mb I can't write it completely on one cd
 
 So i want to split it in to two directories namely
 
 1)naren.bak.1
 2)naren.bak.2

No need to do that!
Have a look at
http://www.serice.net/shunt

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Re: Need help splitting a directory

2004-10-21 Thread Rob Bogus
_N4R3N_ wrote:
hi
I want to split a directory in to two sub directories
If my home dir is 1000 Mb I can't write it completely on one cd
So i want to split it in to two directories namely
1)naren.bak.1
2)naren.bak.2
so that my /home/naren directory will be split in to two temporary 

directories ..
so that i can write the images of thus formed using mkisofs  

on two cdroms
and afterwards i also need help how do i combine them again.
so that after copying two backup directories from the cdrom 

naren.bak.1 and naren.bak.2 in to
/tmp directory I want to combine this 

two to make it again one directory say naren 

How do i do this 

 

I won't say this is the best thing to do, but the simple solution is 
links. Create as many subdirectories as you need, filled with links to 
the appropriate files, then back up each to a CD.

I have some tools which help with this, but until I find time to get my 
ftp server back up I have no easy way to release them. I use that as 
motivation to get to rebuilding the server ;-)

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Re: Need help splitting a directory

2004-10-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
_N4R3N_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I want to split a directory in to two sub directories

 If my home dir is 1000 Mb I can't write it completely on one cd

So try a 80 minute blank and use the following command:

cdrecord dev=b,t,l -v -sao driveropts=gigarec=1.4 out.iso

on a Plextor Premium writer :-)

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Need help splitting a directory

2004-10-20 Thread _N4R3N_


hi


I want to split a directory in to two sub directories

If my home dir is 1000 Mb I can't write it completely on one cd

So i want to split it in to two directories namely

1)naren.bak.1
2)naren.bak.2

so that my /home/naren directory will be split in to two temporary 

directories ..


so that i can write the images of thus formed using mkisofs  

 on two cdroms

and afterwards i also need help how do i combine them again.

so that after copying two backup directories from the cdrom 

naren.bak.1 and naren.bak.2 in to
/tmp directory I want to combine this 

two to make it again one directory say naren 

How do i do this 

any ideas

Thanks for reading...

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Need help with pxupgrade on MacOS X

2004-01-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
I am looking for a person who own a Plextor CD/DVD writer installed
in a MacOS X machine.

To fix the problem (caused by Apples unability to define a clean and decent
SCSI generic transport interface), I would first need the output from something
like:


pxupgrade dev=IOCompactDiscServices -l

or 

pxupgrade dev=IODVDServices -l


I am interested in the output line that looks like:

PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-708A   V1b04 (HA:0 ID:0)


See
ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/firmware/plextor/


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Re: Need help with Sony DW-U10A

2003-12-20 Thread Konkoly Laci
Hi!

I've just purchased my first dvd-writer and it works as well as it is 
possible!
All of you write about the problems!
What kind of problem are you writing about???
Just normally make the contact between dvd-writer and your PC (IDE 
cable, for example secondary master), and Windows XP realizes this 
hardware, no need any installation!
Just use : NERO 6!!!
This software recorded my first dwd-rw disc completely!There were no 
problems!
Have a lot of fun!

Laci from Hungary
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Re: Need help with Sony DW-U10A

2003-12-20 Thread Konkoly Laci
Hi!

I've just purchased my first dvd-writer and it works as well as it is 
possible!
All of you write about the problems!
What kind of problem are you writing about???
Just normally make the contact between dvd-writer and your PC (IDE 
cable, for example secondary master), and Windows XP realizes this 
hardware, no need any installation!
Just use : NERO 6!!!
This software recorded my first dwd-rw disc completely!There were no 
problems!
Have a lot of fun!

Laci from Hungary
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Re: Need help with Sony DW-U10A

2003-09-10 Thread Andy Polyakov
 Memorex DVD-R with a 900MB ISO9660 image using growisofs.  It did not have
 any problems at all and the disc is mountable and readable just fine.  Two
 other times, growisofs has begun the burning, made it to about 30%, and then
 quit with what appeared to be the same type of sense error that cdrecord/
 dvdrecord had.

Three options:

- Media poorly supported by unit firmware. Reportedly Sony is not as
picky as NEC, but it's also known for not being able to record some
brands. Poor media support can manifest itself in most bizarre way. Try
another brand, update firmware, etc;
- Recorder hadware defect. The fact that you can record CD does not
exclude the possibility that circuitry engaged during DVD recording is
rotten. Talk to your vendor;
- Bad media batch. Unlike as you apparently tried for example DVD+RW;

 :-[ LBA=0h, SENSE KEY=5h/ASC=30h/ASCQ=10h ]
 :-[ media is not formatted or unsupported ]
^^^ It means every word of it.

 These same errors happen whether or not I'm using ide-scsi to access the
 drive.  I will point out that the one time growisofs successfully burned, I
 was NOT using ide-scsi.  But I do not know if this is relevant to the
 problem.

It's hardly relevant. It's between your unit and media. A.


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Re: Need help with Sony DW-U10A

2003-09-10 Thread Andy Polyakov
 Memorex DVD-R with a 900MB ISO9660 image using growisofs.  It did not have
 any problems at all and the disc is mountable and readable just fine.  Two
 other times, growisofs has begun the burning, made it to about 30%, and then
 quit with what appeared to be the same type of sense error that cdrecord/
 dvdrecord had.

Three options:

- Media poorly supported by unit firmware. Reportedly Sony is not as
picky as NEC, but it's also known for not being able to record some
brands. Poor media support can manifest itself in most bizarre way. Try
another brand, update firmware, etc;
- Recorder hadware defect. The fact that you can record CD does not
exclude the possibility that circuitry engaged during DVD recording is
rotten. Talk to your vendor;
- Bad media batch. Unlike as you apparently tried for example DVD+RW;

 :-[ LBA=0h, SENSE KEY=5h/ASC=30h/ASCQ=10h ]
 :-[ media is not formatted or unsupported ]
^^^ It means every word of it.

 These same errors happen whether or not I'm using ide-scsi to access the
 drive.  I will point out that the one time growisofs successfully burned, I
 was NOT using ide-scsi.  But I do not know if this is relevant to the
 problem.

It's hardly relevant. It's between your unit and media. A.



Need help with Sony DW-U10A

2003-09-07 Thread Greg Day
I have a Sony DW-U10A model DVD +/- R/RW drive, which IIRC is simply the OEM 
version of the Sony DRU-500A.  Even if not, I have read reports that both the 
DRU-500A and the DW-U10A should work in Linux.  I have firmware revision 
1.1d.

I am running Linux 2.4.19-xfs on an AMD Athlon CPU and I have 512MB of RAM.  
There are 2 IDE hard drives on the first bus and the DVDRW is the only device 
on the secondary bus.  I have 32bit mode and DMA both enabled for this drive.

At first I tried using cdrecord-ProDVD, but it failed with the CHECK STATUS 
message.  It failed with Sony brand DVD-Rs, and Memorex DVD-Rs and Memorex 
DVD+RWs.  However it was able to write a few MB to the DVD-Rs (both brands) 
before exiting with this error:


cdrecord-prodvd: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  2A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1F 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 30 10 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x10 (medium not formatted) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.005s timeout 100s
write track data: error after 0 bytes
cdrecord-prodvd: A write error occured.
cdrecord-prodvd: Please properly read the error message above.
cdrecord-prodvd: Input/output error. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: no 
error
CDB:  5B 01 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)


and leaving me with ruined discs.  This happened no matter what type of file I 
tried to burn, ISO9660 image or anything else.  I tried several different 
times using both DAO and RAW.  Only about 3 times did it even begin writing 
to the disc and then top.  Every other time it gave me that error before it 
could even start (and left the disc untouched and still usable for later).

I have decided now that I do not wish to use cdrecord-ProDVD because of the 
licensing issue.  Sorry Jorg, please do not reply to this and tell me that 
all my problems would go away if I used ProDVD and that my firmware/hardware/
kernel is garbage.  I have already made up my mind.

I then tried using the hacked up dvdrecord fork in the dvdrtools package.  
It had exactly the same problems as cdrecord-ProDVD.  I also tried simply 
using the patched-cdrecord that reportedly works with the DW-U10A.  It had 
the same problems.  It would detect the media, but give me a sense error 
before it could write, and if it did write, it would certainly not get very 
far before quitting.

I should mention I have tried all of the above using ide-scsi (for 
cdrecord-hacked, dvdrecord, and cdrecord-ProDVD) and then using just regular 
ATAPI (dev=ATAPI:0,0,0) on the ProDVD.  This did not appear to change any 
results.

I have had the most success with growisofs.  I have successfully written 1 
Memorex DVD-R with a 900MB ISO9660 image using growisofs.  It did not have 
any problems at all and the disc is mountable and readable just fine.  Two 
other times, growisofs has begun the burning, made it to about 30%, and then 
quit with what appeared to be the same type of sense error that cdrecord/
dvdrecord had.  The two partial-but-unsuccessful burns were with a 900MB 
image, the other time the image was about 2.1GB.

Those are the only three times growisofs has even begun to record.  Every 
other time, it won't even start and complains about a sense error.

As for DVD+RWs, growisofs has not yet successfully done a preformat.  dvd
+rw-format has not either.  growisofs begins, and goes for a few minutes 
before stopping with this error:


:-[ LBA=0h, SENSE KEY=5h/ASC=30h/ASCQ=10h ]
:-[ media is not formatted or unsupported ]
:-( write failed: Invalid argument


Using dvd+rw-format with this same type of disc, I get:


* formatting |- [unable to CLOSE SESSION (5h/30h/10h)]: Invalid argument


These same errors happen whether or not I'm using ide-scsi to access the 
drive.  I will point out that the one time growisofs successfully burned, I 
was NOT using ide-scsi.  But I do not know if this is relevant to the 
problem.

This drive has no problems reading any of the good media I already have data 
recorded to, and it has no problems while using cdrecord for burning CDRs and 
CDRWs or blanking CDRWs.

I have searched around and cannot find any other help, so I turn to you nice 
people and ask what do I do to make this drive reliably burn DVDs?  I would 
like if at all possible to use the dvd+rw-tools package and growisofs.

Any other information ask me and I will provide.  Every time I've tried to 
burn, I have been root and stopped as many other processes as possible to let 
the CPU focus on the burning.

For reasons of other patches, updating the kernel is not an option as this 
time.  From what I read around here, this doesn't help many people anyway.

Greg


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Need help with Sony DW-U10A

2003-09-07 Thread Greg Day
I have a Sony DW-U10A model DVD +/- R/RW drive, which IIRC is simply the OEM 
version of the Sony DRU-500A.  Even if not, I have read reports that both the 
DRU-500A and the DW-U10A should work in Linux.  I have firmware revision 
1.1d.

I am running Linux 2.4.19-xfs on an AMD Athlon CPU and I have 512MB of RAM.  
There are 2 IDE hard drives on the first bus and the DVDRW is the only device 
on the secondary bus.  I have 32bit mode and DMA both enabled for this drive.

At first I tried using cdrecord-ProDVD, but it failed with the CHECK STATUS 
message.  It failed with Sony brand DVD-Rs, and Memorex DVD-Rs and Memorex 
DVD+RWs.  However it was able to write a few MB to the DVD-Rs (both brands) 
before exiting with this error:


cdrecord-prodvd: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  2A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1F 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 12 00 00 00 00 30 10 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x10 (medium not formatted) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.005s timeout 100s
write track data: error after 0 bytes
cdrecord-prodvd: A write error occured.
cdrecord-prodvd: Please properly read the error message above.
cdrecord-prodvd: Input/output error. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: no 
error
CDB:  5B 01 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)


and leaving me with ruined discs.  This happened no matter what type of file I 
tried to burn, ISO9660 image or anything else.  I tried several different 
times using both DAO and RAW.  Only about 3 times did it even begin writing 
to the disc and then top.  Every other time it gave me that error before it 
could even start (and left the disc untouched and still usable for later).

I have decided now that I do not wish to use cdrecord-ProDVD because of the 
licensing issue.  Sorry Jorg, please do not reply to this and tell me that 
all my problems would go away if I used ProDVD and that my firmware/hardware/
kernel is garbage.  I have already made up my mind.

I then tried using the hacked up dvdrecord fork in the dvdrtools package.  
It had exactly the same problems as cdrecord-ProDVD.  I also tried simply 
using the patched-cdrecord that reportedly works with the DW-U10A.  It had 
the same problems.  It would detect the media, but give me a sense error 
before it could write, and if it did write, it would certainly not get very 
far before quitting.

I should mention I have tried all of the above using ide-scsi (for 
cdrecord-hacked, dvdrecord, and cdrecord-ProDVD) and then using just regular 
ATAPI (dev=ATAPI:0,0,0) on the ProDVD.  This did not appear to change any 
results.

I have had the most success with growisofs.  I have successfully written 1 
Memorex DVD-R with a 900MB ISO9660 image using growisofs.  It did not have 
any problems at all and the disc is mountable and readable just fine.  Two 
other times, growisofs has begun the burning, made it to about 30%, and then 
quit with what appeared to be the same type of sense error that cdrecord/
dvdrecord had.  The two partial-but-unsuccessful burns were with a 900MB 
image, the other time the image was about 2.1GB.

Those are the only three times growisofs has even begun to record.  Every 
other time, it won't even start and complains about a sense error.

As for DVD+RWs, growisofs has not yet successfully done a preformat.  dvd
+rw-format has not either.  growisofs begins, and goes for a few minutes 
before stopping with this error:


:-[ LBA=0h, SENSE KEY=5h/ASC=30h/ASCQ=10h ]
:-[ media is not formatted or unsupported ]
:-( write failed: Invalid argument


Using dvd+rw-format with this same type of disc, I get:


* formatting |- [unable to CLOSE SESSION (5h/30h/10h)]: Invalid argument


These same errors happen whether or not I'm using ide-scsi to access the 
drive.  I will point out that the one time growisofs successfully burned, I 
was NOT using ide-scsi.  But I do not know if this is relevant to the 
problem.

This drive has no problems reading any of the good media I already have data 
recorded to, and it has no problems while using cdrecord for burning CDRs and 
CDRWs or blanking CDRWs.

I have searched around and cannot find any other help, so I turn to you nice 
people and ask what do I do to make this drive reliably burn DVDs?  I would 
like if at all possible to use the dvd+rw-tools package and growisofs.

Any other information ask me and I will provide.  Every time I've tried to 
burn, I have been root and stopped as many other processes as possible to let 
the CPU focus on the burning.

For reasons of other patches, updating the kernel is not an option as this 
time.  From what I read around here, this doesn't help many people anyway.

Greg



Need help please

2003-03-08 Thread K. Matthew Victor
K. Matthew Victor wrote:

Sorry, let us try this again, somehow I clipped out the files.matt

  Greetings, I need advise as to what might've become bollixed after a
 kernel upgrade.
  Problem: Unable to mount the scsi (real, native, scsi cd burner for
 reading).
  Symptoms: mount /dev/sr0 will immediately spool up the cd-r/w  after
 3-5 minutes of running a message is printed: media not found. Or
 sometimes: too many files systems mounted, or bad block, or wrong file
 system type. At this point if one does cdrecord -scanbus the device
 will have been removed from the bus, invocation of Xcdroast will confirm
 by stating : something on the scsi bus has changed, please run config.
 A reboot (hard boot) later and everything is back on the bus and
 addressable, one may burn cd's but not read them from the native scsi
 device. The IDE cdrom works fine and is running in scsi emulation. I
 have mucked about changing /etc/fstab device names and relinking
 (/dev/scd0 instead of /dev/sr0, etc.) to no difference. Also noted are
 links in the home dir. that were never there before, deleting these
 cause no problems but they are returned at each reboot. The mount point
 /cdrom seems to have been added to at the time of the kernel update
 also (the mount point dir. /cdrom now has a subdir. //cdrom0 which makes
 no sense to me) the additional sub directory will always reinstall if
 removed at subsequent reboots.
 DAMN annoying, as my Microlite BackupEdge/RecoverEdge software is now an
 expensive virtual boat anchor. It requires that the cdr/w device  be
 able to read and write.
 I was thinking the there is something someplace about max_devices
 sometimes needing to be reset with the 2.4.18 and upward kernels (at
 least on Debian), and dim memory vaguely recollects some type of scsi
 wait/time out issues with some cd devices, BUT, I am not sure where or
 how to proceed.
  System: Debian 3.0,2.4.19-k6,
 Attached are some files I hope will be descriptive and helpful. NOTE:
 these are from a state where the cd burner is recognized and would run
 through cdrecord or what you will. As a quick after thought, I wonder if
 perhaps the proper Cdr. device in the 2.4.  series for cdrecord,
 cdparanioa might not be an sg designation? If so how to set/ find proper
 sg#? I've never understood the hdc: FX3400S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
 thing as it is clearly being controlled through ide_scsi and is fully
 usable (being mountable as a cdrom which it is, not a cdr/w). any help
 will be very welcome, I don't have a clue what next to try. tia, matthew

   
 Character devices:
   1 mem
   2 pty/m%d
   3 pty/s%d
   4 tts/%d
   5 cua/%d
   6 lp
   7 vcs
   9 st
  10 misc
  13 input
  14 sound
  21 sg
  29 fb
 108 ppp
 116 alsa
 128 ptm
 136 pts/%d
 162 raw
 180 usb

 Block devices:
   1 ramdisk
   3 ide0
   7 loop
  11 sr
  22 ide1

   
 nodev   rootfs
 nodev   bdev
 nodev   proc
 nodev   sockfs
 nodev   tmpfs
 nodev   shm
 nodev   pipefs
 cramfs
 nodev   ramfs
 nodev   devfs
 nodev   devpts
 ext3
 ext2
 iso9660
 nodev   usbdevfs
 nodev   usbfs
 nodev   autofs

   
 -001f : dma1
 0020-003f : pic1
 0040-005f : timer
 0060-006f : keyboard
 0070-007f : rtc
 0080-008f : dma page reg
 00a0-00bf : pic2
 00c0-00df : dma2
 00f0-00ff : fpu
 0100-0101 : OPL3-SA control
 0170-0177 : ide1
 01f0-01f7 : ide0
 0213-0213 : isapnp read
 02f8-02ff : serial(set)
 0300-0301 : MPU401 UART
 0376-0376 : ide1
 0378-037a : parport0
 0388-0389 : OPL2/3 (left)
 038a-038b : OPL2/3 (right)
 03c0-03df : vga+
 03f6-03f6 : ide0
 03f8-03ff : serial(set)
 0a79-0a79 : isapnp write
 0cf8-0cff : PCI conf1
 0e84-0e87 : CS4231
 c000-cfff : PCI Bus #01
 dc00-dcff : Adaptec AHA-2930CU
 ffa0-ffaf : Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M5229 IDE
   ffa0-ffa7 : ide0
   ffa8-ffaf : ide1

   
 0
 dev_max(currently)=9 max_active_device=4 (origin 1)
  scsi_dma_free_sectors=144 sg_pool_secs_aval=320 def_reserved_size=32768
 32768
 hostchanid  lun typeopens   qdepth  busyonline
 HP  HP35480A1009
 YAMAHA  CRW2100S1.0H
 HP  C7670A  3925
 MITSUMI CD-ROM FX3400S!Bu01
 0   0   0   0   1   0   2   0   1
 0   0   4   0   5   0   2   0   1
 0   0   6   0   3   0   2   0   1
 1   0   0   0   5   0   5   0   1
 uid busycpl scatg   isa emul
 Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.8 Adaptec 2930CU SCSI 
 adapter aic7860: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/253 SCBs
 SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE 

Re: Need help with cdrecord/rscsi

2002-06-11 Thread Andree Leidenfrost

Hi Jörg

On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 00:23, Joerg Schilling wrote:
 [...]
 o How can I use remote devices without being root on the client machine?
 
 Not possible because of UNIX restictition, but PLEASE RTFM for cdrecord.

Probably I didn't make myself clear here: I just found out that making
cdrecord suid root does infact work. It didn't orginally for me but that
was apparently due to a different problem. So, I'm a happy camper with
regards to this.

 o How can I use rscsi without having to have rshd running on the server=20
   machine?
 
 Impossible
 
 o Is there a way to use ssh instead of rsh?
 
 Why?
 
 ssh is way too slow for cd writing.

Hm...I think it depends. This is between the machines in question:

andree@aurich:~/downloads/kernelscp linux-2.2.17.tar.bz2 jever:
Password: 
linux-2.2.17.tar.bz2 100%
|| 13727 KB00:02

Between 2 and 3 seconds for 13+MB should be sufficient for CD writing
don't you think. Or is there a hidden latency problem somewhere?

A good reason to use ssh/sshd would be encryption of the datastream in
situations where you want to use it across a non-trusted net.

 If you have a ssh aware rcmd(3) implementation it should work.

I'll check that out, thanks! Would that give me encryption of the data?
I fear not, as rcmd is rcmd and doesn't come with encryption...

 Other questions:
 
 What is your opinion on http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-iscsi? I
 understand that this is only a client to access iSCSI services. Are you
 aware of any server iSCSI development for Linux? This would pretty much
 be what rscsi is doing, wouldn't it?
 
 The RSCSI idea is more than 5 years old and has been finally implemented short 
 before the ISCSI idea came up. If you believe that ISCSI makes sense, write
 a ISCSI transport implementaion for libscg and send it to me...
 
 I'm using SANE to access a remote scanner just as I'm trying to access a
 remote CD writer via cdrecord/rscsi. This prompts me to ask the question
 whether you've ever contemplated to turn cdrecord into a library just
 like the SANE folks did?
 
 Sorry, I contacted the SANE people many times to use my scsi trnaport 
 implementaion. They don't like it because their implementation is so InSANE
 that it is not possible to integrate a SCSI trabsport with a clean interface :-(

That is quite sad to hear as it sounds like triplication of effort. My
understanding is that iSCSI is an open (?) industry standard which can
be implemented by anyone. (Well, anyone that understands the matter, ie.
not me, so don't hold your breath... ;-) ) This to my mind gives it an
edge over rscsi and whatever SANE is doing.

I quite like the SANE approach as it doesn't require me to run rshd but
comes with its own custom-purpose daemon. This is purely from a user
perspective without any insight in the actual implementation of course.
 
What I really meant with my library question is this: In the SANE world
you have e.g. 

aurich:/usr/binldd xsane
libsane.so.1 = /usr/lib/libsane.so.1 (0x40014000)

In other words, the functionality is encapsulated in a library. Wouldn't
it be nice to have something like:

aurich:/usr/binldd gtoaster
libcdrecord.so.1 = /usr/lib/libcdrecord.so.1 (0x40014000)

I'd dare say that making the cdrecord functionality available as a
library should have a number of advantages over calling a separate
program. What is your opinion on this?

Best regards
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Re: Need help with cdrecord/rscsi

2002-06-10 Thread Andree Leidenfrost

Hi Jörg

 Make sure that .rhost is set up correctly.

The permissions of ~rscsi/.rhosts were a bit, er, liberal. It works now,
as root I can do

cdrecord dev=REMOTE:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -scanbus

on the client machine and I get a list of SCSI targets on the server
machine.
 
 READ  the README's for remote SCSI!

What do you mean? How do you think did I get as far as I did before
contacting the mailing list? ;-) Seriously, I tried to do the preferred
method from README.rscsi.gz as a starting point. Are there other READMEs
for remote SCSI? If so, I'd be keen to find out whether they have
information regarding the following:

o How can I use remote devices without being root on the client machine?
o How can I use rscsi without having to have rshd running on the server 
  machine?
o Is there a way to use ssh instead of rsh?

Note: I am not necessarily argueing with the security of the setup
suggested. My primary concern is that I have to have rshd running on the
server machine which I normally don't.

Other questions:

What is your opinion on http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-iscsi? I
understand that this is only a client to access iSCSI services. Are you
aware of any server iSCSI development for Linux? This would pretty much
be what rscsi is doing, wouldn't it?

I'm using SANE to access a remote scanner just as I'm trying to access a
remote CD writer via cdrecord/rscsi. This prompts me to ask the question
whether you've ever contemplated to turn cdrecord into a library just
like the SANE folks did?

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Re: Need help with cdrecord/rscsi

2002-06-06 Thread Andree Leidenfrost

Jörg

Are you saying I can only use rscsi as user root on the client machine
even though cdrecord is setuid root on the client machine?

As root I get:

jever:/home/andree# cdrecord dev=REMOTE:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -scanbus -d
dev: REMOTE:[EMAIL PROTECTED] speed: 4 fs: 4194304
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
scsidev: 'REMOTE:[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
devname: 'REMOTE:[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
scsibus: -1 target: -1 lun: -1
scg__open(REMOTE:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) -1,-1,-1
Warning: Using remote SCSI interface.
cdrecord: locuser: 'root' rscsiuser: 'rscsi' host: '192.168.1.1'
Permission denied.
cdrecord: Success. Cannot get connection to remote host. Cannot open
SCSI driver.
cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you
are root.

I have added root to .rhosts on the server machine and I can logon using
rsh/rlogin without password to account rscsi no problem. So, why do I
get 'Permission denied.' and in the next line 'cdrecord: Success.
[...]'?

I don't normally only use ssh and don't have rshd installed. Is there a
chance to get it to work with ssh and without having to be root on the
client system.

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Need help with cdrecord/rscsi

2002-06-01 Thread Andree Leidenfrost

Hi

I am trying to setup remote CD burner access between 2 Debian woody
boxes (kernel 2.4.18).

There seems to be some kind of access/authentication problem as
/tmp/RSCSI does not even get created when trying to access the remote CD
burner. The session looks like this:

andree@jever:~cdrecord dev=REMOTE:rscsi@aurich: -scanbus -d
dev: REMOTE:rscsi@aurich: speed: 4 fs: 4194304
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
scsidev: 'REMOTE:rscsi@aurich:'
devname: 'REMOTE:rscsi@aurich:'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
scg__open(REMOTE:rscsi@aurich:) -2,-2,-2
Warning: Using remote SCSI interface.
cdrecord: locuser: 'andree' rscsiuser: 'rscsi' host: 'aurich'
rcmd: socket: m
cdrecord: Permission denied. Cannot get connection to remote host.
Cannot open SCSI driver.
cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you
are root.


From the mailing list archive I gather that other people were bitten by
this before. So, if anyone has figured it out: Please share your wisdom
with a desperate soul! ;-)

'rlogin -l rscsi aurich' works fine, ie. I get access to the machine
without providing a password and rscsi starts.

/home/rscsi/.rhosts looks like this:

jever andree


(I tried what README.rscsi says, ie. just providing the user name with
the same error but I can then not logon using rlogin without a
password.)

/etc/default/rscsi looks like this:

DEBUG=/tmp/RSCSI
USER=*
ACCESS=**   -1  -1  -1  -1


Permissions of the binaries are as follows:

-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 181160 Apr 9 19:44 /usr/bin/cdrecord
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root  61544 Apr 9 19:44 /usr/sbin/rscsi


cdrecord locally on the machine with the CD writer works fine:

andree@aurich:~cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22
Using libscg version 'schily-0.5'
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) *
0,1,0 1) *
0,2,0 2) *
0,3,0 3) *
0,4,0 4) 'IBM ' 'DCAS-34330  ' 'S65A' Disk
0,5,0 5) 'IOMEGA  ' 'ZIP 100 ' 'E.08' Removable Disk
0,6,0 6) *
0,7,0 7) *
scsibus1:
1,0,0   100) 'RICOH   ' 'CD-R/RW MP7120A ' '1.10' Removable CD-ROM
1,1,0   101) 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-ROM DVD-115 ' '1.22' Removable CD-ROM
1,2,0   102) *
1,3,0   103) *
1,4,0   104) *
1,5,0   105) *
1,6,0   106) *
1,7,0   107) *


If there is any other information that is required, please, let me know
and I'll provide it.

Thanks a lot for your time  best regards
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Re: ide-scsi question, need HELP

2001-12-10 Thread Mike R. Cannon

Mike R. Cannon wrote:
 
 I am trying to write cdroms with my IDE drive.   At this point I can't
 even mount a cdrom in it.  Below is my configuration:
 
 more /boot/grub/grub.conf | grep ide
 kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 ro root=/dev/sda3 hdc=ide-scsi
 kernel /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/sda3 hdc=ide-scsi
 
 /sbin/lsmod
 Module  Size  Used by
 vmnet  16864   6
 vmmon  17856   0 (unused)
 eepro100   16032   1
 af_packet  11872   0 (autoclean)
 ide-scsi7648   0
 ide-cd 26544   0
 cdrom  27552   0 [ide-cd]
 ide-mod65008   0 [ide-scsi ide-cd]
 rtc 5536   0 (autoclean)
 
 more /etc/fstab | grep cdrom1
 /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 iso9660
 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0
 
 ls -al /dev/cdrom1
 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root9 Dec  3 22:31 /dev/cdrom1 -
 /dev/scd0
 
 more /etc/modules.conf
 options ide-cd ignore=hdc
 alias scd0 sr_mod
 pre-install sg  modprobe ide-scsi
 pre-install sr_mod modprobe ide-scsi
 pre-install ide-scsi modprobe ide-cd
 
 cdrecord -scanbus
 Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg
 Schilling
 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.20
 Using libscg version 'schily-0.5'
 scsibus0:
 0,0,0 0) 'COMPAQPC' 'DDYS-T18350N' 'B93E' Disk
 0,1,0 1) *
 0,2,0 2) 'COMPAQPC' 'DDYS-T18350N' 'B93E' Disk
 0,3,0 3) *
 0,4,0 4) *
 0,5,0 5) *
 0,6,0 6) *
 0,7,0 7) *
 
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Re: ide-scsi question, need HELP

2001-12-10 Thread Adam J. Richter

Mike,

I am pretty sure that your problem is ide-cd.o.

If you remove ide-cd.o from your system and instead use
ide-scsi.o, sr_mod.o (for CDROM support), and sg.o (for the CD
burner interface), that you should be OK.

As I understand ide-{cd,floppy,tape}.o, these modules basically
take over the ATAPI (scsi over IDE) interface for the devices in
question and impelement limited device interfaces to avoid the need
to have scsi support in the kernel.  ide-scsi.o will not talk to
devices that have been claimed by ide-{cd,floppy,tape}.o.

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