Re: Book Suggestions

[Dana]

yes :)

On 9/28/07, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The FACK-U from HOF?
> Did I miss something?
>
> ^_^
>
> On 9/28/07, Mary Jo Sminkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >just to clarify... if you're using CF 8, the -only- books are the
> > >CFWACK books (there are 3 in the series for 8, as has been pointed
> > >out).
> >
> >
> > The FAQU available through HOF makes for good reading as well! Just click 
> > the ad in the upper left of the HOF site.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Book Suggestions

[Vivec]

The FACK-U from HOF?
Did I miss something?

^_^

On 9/28/07, Mary Jo Sminkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >just to clarify... if you're using CF 8, the -only- books are the
> >CFWACK books (there are 3 in the series for 8, as has been pointed
> >out).
>
>
> The FAQU available through HOF makes for good reading as well! Just click the 
> ad in the upper left of the HOF site.
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: Games :: Team Fortress 2

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Captian Oblivious [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:20 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Games :: Team Fortress 2
> 
> If you pre-buy the OB, do you get the beta for TF2 now?

Only on the PC (via Steam).  There is no console beta that I'm aware off.

If you already own Half-Life 2 or Episode 1 you can give the licenses to
those away to somebody.

But if you're fine with the PC then, yes, definitely - you could be fragging
in minutes.  ;^)

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Re: Games :: Team Fortress 2

[Paul Ihrig]

yes sir, you certainly do.

On 9/28/07, Captian Oblivious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you pre-buy the OB, do you get the beta for TF2 now?
>
> On 9/22/07, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > this is about the best multi player shooter i have played in over 3 years..
> > i had a few problems getting it playable, but is well worth it.
>
> 

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Re: Book Suggestions

[Mary Jo Sminkey]

>just to clarify... if you're using CF 8, the -only- books are the
>CFWACK books (there are 3 in the series for 8, as has been pointed
>out).


The FAQU available through HOF makes for good reading as well! Just click the 
ad in the upper left of the HOF site. 





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Re: another ebay question

[Mary Jo Sminkey]

>Did you sell something on eBay? If so then I assume you received 
>payment. And if that is the case, it should not matter where the item is 
>shipped to. It is bought and paid for. Once you ship it to where ever it 
>is supposed to, it is out of your hands. 

Depends on how you received payment. Any kind of credit card payment (whether 
through PayPal or any other method) has the potential to be reversed. So yes, 
most of us will ship only to confirmed addresses, and many ebay sellers will 
not ship out of the country at all, as your chances of fraud are much higher 
and ability to recoup the funds almost nil. 



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Re: Has CF-Community jumped the shark? (haiku!)

[Captian Oblivious]

No more haikus, say
I'm thinking, he may mean it
anyone want a peanut?

Make peanut-butter
don't use sugar or salt
natural- doh, nature.

I've attached .wavfile,
legitimacy. mostly.
perfectly achieved

On 9/27/07, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I never thought I would have to say this...ever...but
>
> STOP WITH THE HAIKU's!

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Re: Some foreign policy sanity from Democrats

[Captian Oblivious]

The problem with "clean sweeps", is that they're not really that good
for anyone.

The entire system is geared towards checks and balances- I don't know why
anyone would want their party to be in total control.  We've been shown how
that type of responsibility corrupts.

That's why we don't need any more than two parties.

A No Confidence vote would be a nice addition, but I've had enough of the
"single mind" mindset.  It's better when compromise is needed, IMO.

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> troop withdrawl from Iraq by 2013.
>
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070927/D8RTI22O0.html
>
> Now, if the Democrats in Congress would just get with the program and follow
> my prescription for them to take the lead in solving the Iraqi political
> reconciliation mess, they would have a clean sweep of Congress and the
> Presidency in 2008.

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Re: Games :: Team Fortress 2

[Captian Oblivious]

If you pre-buy the OB, do you get the beta for TF2 now?

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> i had a few problems getting it playable, but is well worth it.

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Re: i told you'ses

[Captian Oblivious]

Misspelled?  Apropos!  No? =]

On 9/21/07, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> someone who misspelled it by accident!

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RE: New to group

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Murray Firebird [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:29 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: New to group
> 
> I'll skip the peyote.  Might make me see flying pigs again.

Pigasus!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigasus_Award

:^)

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Re: any one catch Life?

[Jerry Johnson]

I liked life
I also enjoyed k-ville
love bones
enjoyed reaper
kitchen nightmares
cant wait for dexter to start again
chuck has hope
not sure about journeyman.

wished psych and burn notice were still firing episodes.




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> i got to say his is the most impresive show i have seen on TV since Rome.
> very well done.
>
> kinda sci-fi/heroes majick feel.
> but almost utterly foreign.
>
> very weal done.
> show about cop put in jail for like 12 years or so, he gets out and
> has a 'sense'.
> you know it or you don't.
>
> kinda well produced.
> i wish it was in a 9PM slot instead of 10PM
> little late for me on a Tuesday.
>
> check it out.
>
> 

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Re: cf8 hosting

[Charlie Griefer]

oooh hey speaking of that... Paul, you have design skillz...

http://www.phusor.com/index.cfm/2007/9/23/UI-Design-Contest-Win-a-Copy-of-ColdFusion-8-Standard

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> >o - so CHEAP is not vps?
>
> No, not for $10/month. There's some fairly cheap Linux VPS hosting out there, 
> but then you'd have to have your own license for ColdFusion. Maybe if you get 
> lucky and win a copy at a CFUG... ;-)
>
>
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Re: cf8 hosting

[Mary Jo Sminkey]

>o - so CHEAP is not vps?

No, not for $10/month. There's some fairly cheap Linux VPS hosting out there, 
but then you'd have to have your own license for ColdFusion. Maybe if you get 
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any one catch Life?

[Paul Ihrig]

i got to say his is the most impresive show i have seen on TV since Rome.
very well done.

kinda sci-fi/heroes majick feel.
but almost utterly foreign.

very weal done.
show about cop put in jail for like 12 years or so, he gets out and
has a 'sense'.
you know it or you don't.

kinda well produced.
i wish it was in a 9PM slot instead of 10PM
little late for me on a Tuesday.

check it out.

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Re: cool coats inspired by your favorite sci-fi movies

[Paul Ihrig]

some day there will be a movie.
or it will be re-maid in the us..
then all you guys will learn...

timelord.

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Re: cf8 hosting

[Paul Ihrig]

o - so CHEAP is not vps?

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Re: cf8 hosting

[Mary Jo Sminkey]

>VPS ain't gonna be $110 a year :)

LOL, ooops yeah I was reading that as $110 a monthI'm not used to people 
putting hosting costs on a per year basis. ;-) 




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Re: cf8 hosting

[Mary Jo Sminkey]

>that's bad assed though i have no idea what a VPS is.
>its not hosted on my crappy box at home & just spoofs ip's?
>let me know.

Certainly not! The host has the box and you get all the usual advantages of 
whatever infrastructure they have in place (redundancy, generator backup, etc.) 
while having basically a dedicated portion of the server for your own 
usesomewhat like a co-located box. It's rapidly becoming one of the most 
popular types of hosting for people that want more than you can get with shared 
hosting but don't want to spring for the cost of an entire dedicated box. 
Here's a good article covering the pros and cons. 

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Re: cool coats inspired by your favorite sci-fi movies

[Charlie Griefer]

i meant to say "your favorite sci-fi movies (except Paul)".

my bad :D

On 9/28/07, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> wth are the Doctor Who jackets & scarves?
>
> 

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Re: cool coats inspired by your favorite sci-fi movies

[Paul Ihrig]

wth are the Doctor Who jackets & scarves?

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Re: cf8 hosting

[Paul Ihrig]

man...
so teamted to register
www.fnckiNet.com
and
www.fncki.net

again, money i dont need to spend...

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Re: cf8 hosting

[Charlie Griefer]

VPS ain't gonna be $110 a year :)

On 9/28/07, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Mary Jo!
> that's bad assed though i have no idea what a VPS is.
> its not hosted on my crappy box at home & just spoofs ip's?
> let me know.
>
> i would definatly be interested cf8/flex/php solution...
> and looks like i have to learn .fnckiNet if i want work in Columbus...
>
> may move to Boston.
>
>
> On 9/28/07, Mary Jo Sminkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >i am looking for a cheap cf8 host that will let me play with flex &
> > >hopefully php as well for 3 domains.
> > >
> > >right now i pay 110 a year.
> >
> > Have you considered getting a VPS? There was a thread this week on the main 
> > CF-Talk list about shared vs. VPS hosting that you may want to review. 
> > AHPHosting.net has very reasonable prices for their CF8 VPS servers, you'll 
> > find a link to them right on the HouseofFusion site which they handle the 
> > servers for. It really can be a great way to go if you want more 
> > reliability, have a number of sites to host and want more control over your 
> > server. If you are interested in trying them, drop me a note privately and 
> > I can see about getting you a discounted rate as well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: cf8 hosting

[Paul Ihrig]

Thanks Mary Jo!
that's bad assed though i have no idea what a VPS is.
its not hosted on my crappy box at home & just spoofs ip's?
let me know.

i would definatly be interested cf8/flex/php solution...
and looks like i have to learn .fnckiNet if i want work in Columbus...

may move to Boston.


On 9/28/07, Mary Jo Sminkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >i am looking for a cheap cf8 host that will let me play with flex &
> >hopefully php as well for 3 domains.
> >
> >right now i pay 110 a year.
>
> Have you considered getting a VPS? There was a thread this week on the main 
> CF-Talk list about shared vs. VPS hosting that you may want to review. 
> AHPHosting.net has very reasonable prices for their CF8 VPS servers, you'll 
> find a link to them right on the HouseofFusion site which they handle the 
> servers for. It really can be a great way to go if you want more reliability, 
> have a number of sites to host and want more control over your server. If you 
> are interested in trying them, drop me a note privately and I can see about 
> getting you a discounted rate as well.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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cool coats inspired by your favorite sci-fi movies

[Charlie Griefer]

http://www.abbyshot.com/products/l-allproducts.php

not cheap tho :(

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Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed."

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Re: Funny song

[Bruce Sorge]

Yeah, that is a funny song.

Charlie Griefer wrote:
> heh.  i heard that song the other morning.
>
> almost as good as Paisley's "Alcohol" song:
>
>   

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Re: Funny song

[Charlie Griefer]

heh.  i heard that song the other morning.

almost as good as Paisley's "Alcohol" song:

I can make anybody pretty
I can make you believe any lie
I can make you pick a fight
with somebody twice
your size. . .

Well I've been known to cause a few breakups
and I've been known to cause a few births
I can make you new friends
Or get you fired from work.

(Chorus)
And since the day I left Milwaukee
Lynchburg, Bordeaux, France
Been makin the bars
With lots of big money
and helpin white people dance
I got you in trouble in high school
and college now that was a ball
you had some of the best times
you'll never remember with me
Alcohol, Alcohol

I got blamed at your wedding reception
for your best man's emberrasing speech
and also for those naked pictures of you at the beach
I've influenced kings and world leaders
I helped Hemingway write like he did
and I`ll bet you a drink or two that I can make you
put that lampshade on your head . .

And since the day I left Milwaukee
Lynchburg, Bordeaux, France
Been makin a fool out of folks
just like you
and helpin white people dance
I am medicine and I am poison
I can help you up or make you fall
you had some of the best times
you'll never remember with me
Alcohol

And since the day I left Milwaukee
Lynchburg, Bordeaux, France
Been makin the bars
With lots of big money
(crowd:) and helpin white people dance
I got you in trouble in high school
and college now that was a ball
you had some of the best times
you'll never remember with me
Alcohol, Alcohol

-- 
Charlie Griefer


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Funny song

[Bruce Sorge]

I know that some of you here don't like country music, but I just heard 
a song by Brad Paisley called Online. It is freaking funny. Here are the 
lyrics:

I work down at The Pizza Pit
And I drive an old Hyundai
I still live with my mom and dad
I'm five foot three and overweight
I'm a sci: fi fanatic, mild asthmatic
Never been to second base
But there's a whole 'nother me
That you need to see
Go check out Myspace.

'Cause online I'm out in Hollywood
I'm six foot five and I look damn good
I drive a Maserati, I'm a black belt in karate
And I love a good glass of wine
It turns girls on that I'm mysterious
I tell 'em I don't want nothing serious
'Cause even on a slow day I can have a three-way chat
With two women at one time.

I'm so much cooler online
I'm so much cooler online.

I get home I kiss my mom
And she fixes me a snack
I head down to my basement bedroom
And fire up my Mac
In real life the only time
I've ever been to L.A.
Was when I got the chance with the marching band
To play tuba in the Rose Parade.

But online I live in Malibu
I pose for Calvin Klein
I've been in GQ
I'm single and I'm rich
And I got a set of six-pack abs that would blow your mind
It turns girls on that I'm mysterious
I tell 'em I don't want nothing serious
'Cause even on a slow day I can have a three-way chat
With two women at one time.

I'm so much cooler online
Yeah, I'm cooler online.

When you've got my kind of stats
It's hard to get a date
Let alone a real girlfriend
But I grow another foot and lose a bunch of weight
Every time I log in.

Online I'm out in Hollywood
I'm six foot five and I look damn good
Even on a slow day I can have a three-way chat
With two women at one time.

I'm so much cooler online
Yeah, I'm cooler online
I'm so much cooler online
Yeah, I'm cooler online.


Bruce



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Re: New to group

[Murray Firebird]

> I am not delusional, I just suffer from apperception 
> ,  LOL. I apologized and retracted that part of my 
> statement as soon as Judah called me out on it. That was a product of 
> typing out a knee-jerk response and not re-reading as I normally do. 
> ;)

I think I suffer the same.  I need to burn my hand before I believe fire is hot.

> 
> Again, welcome to the community.

Thanks.

> 
> Oh, and as Shawna said, if you are in the mid-west and a CF'er, you 
> are 
> gold. I lived in Fort Worth for about 10 years and NEVER had a problem 
> 
> finding CF gigs, either perm or contract. I know that Texas is 
> considered the South (ha ha ah), but I still think of the DFW area as 
> 
> the mid-west.

I'm looking forward to it.  I still pick up little FORTRAN and COBOL jobs.  I'm 
suprised no one still teaches these languages considering how much legacy code 
exists.  

Well got to run.  My wife just got home from work.  She is ready to go 
shopping.  Time to hide my credit cards ;) 

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Re: Book Suggestions

[Charlie Griefer]

just to clarify... if you're using CF 8, the -only- books are the
CFWACK books (there are 3 in the series for 8, as has been pointed
out).

The CF Bible (which I did like a lot) was for CFMX 6.1

O'Reilly's CF book was for MX 6 (and then the 2nd edition for 6.1).

You can get the older books cheaper, and much of the foundation will
still be the same... but you won't find anything on the new features
of CFMX 7 or 8 in any printed book other than a WACK :)

On 9/28/07, Murray Firebird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't belive the bible.  There are no coyotes mentioned
> >
> > I do not believe that there are any coyotes in the CF|WACK books
> > either, but they are still very good.  They will take you from barely
> [snip]
>
> But they aren't religious books ;)
>
> I was trying to be silly.  Been a long week and I need this weekend.  If 
> nothing else, my wife can go shopping all she wants.
>
> >
> > If you are not aware of it.  There are many discussion lists on the
> > House Of Fusion.  This one, cf-community, is meant to be the 'water
> [snip]
>
> I have perused the lists.  I'll be using CF Newbie or CF Talk a bit, I'm 
> sure.  I came to this list since it is the water cooler.  You would be 
> suprised how much you can learn about a language by seeing more of the people 
> who use it.  I think I'll be in good company.
>
> >
> >
>
>
> 

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Re: New to group

[Bruce Sorge]

I am not delusional, I just suffer from apperception 
,  LOL. I apologized and retracted that part of my 
statement as soon as Judah called me out on it. That was a product of 
typing out a knee-jerk response and not re-reading as I normally do. ;)

Again, welcome to the community.

Oh, and as Shawna said, if you are in the mid-west and a CF'er, you are 
gold. I lived in Fort Worth for about 10 years and NEVER had a problem 
finding CF gigs, either perm or contract. I know that Texas is 
considered the South (ha ha ah), but I still think of the DFW area as 
the mid-west.

Bruce

Murray Firebird wrote:
> I read some of them.  Quite entertaining.  The recent Atheist thread was fun 
> to read.  I did find the guy who said this country was founded as a Christian 
> contry was delusional.
>
>   
>

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Re: Another large rescue of ferrets

[Larry Lyons]

>Yeah, 
>
>Heard about this through myspace. Apparantly the rescue was being sued by a
>local breeder for defamation after they raided and videotaped his set up. He
>dropper the suit, went out of business and dumped the 700 on him
>
>Bastard..
>

Quite the entire family from what I understand is quite the piece of work. BTW 
its not just this shelter that's overwhelmed but most shelters in the region. 
This weekend some of the ferrets are being transferred to a couple of Virginia 
based shelters and others in Maryland, Illinois etc. 

btw I had nothing to do with the website (yes it sucks).

but thanks to all who help.

larry 

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Re: Book Suggestions

[Murray Firebird]

> I don't belive the bible.  There are no coyotes mentioned 
> 
> I do not believe that there are any coyotes in the CF|WACK books 
> either, but they are still very good.  They will take you from barely 
[snip]

But they aren't religious books ;)

I was trying to be silly.  Been a long week and I need this weekend.  If 
nothing else, my wife can go shopping all she wants.

> 
> If you are not aware of it.  There are many discussion lists on the 
> House Of Fusion.  This one, cf-community, is meant to be the 'water 
[snip]

I have perused the lists.  I'll be using CF Newbie or CF Talk a bit, I'm sure.  
I came to this list since it is the water cooler.  You would be suprised how 
much you can learn about a language by seeing more of the people who use it.  I 
think I'll be in good company.

> 
> 


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Re: Book Suggestions

[Bruce Sorge]

You forgot yelling, name-calling, arguing, heart attacks, jumping up and 
down, pulling out of one's hair, etc... LOL

Bruce

Ian Skinner wrote:
>  This one, cf-community, is meant to be the 'water cooler, gossip' list.  


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RE: Another large rescue of ferrets

[Scott Stewart]

Yeah, 

Heard about this through myspace. Apparantly the rescue was being sued by a
local breeder for defamation after they raided and videotaped his set up. He
dropper the suit, went out of business and dumped the 700 on him

Bastard..

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-Original Message-
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:17 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Another large rescue of ferrets

Hi all, 

As many of you know, a while ago I let you all know about a large rescue of
ferrets. Well recently there's been another rescue. An Ohio ferret breeder,
because of health issues, decided to retire and essentially dumped over 700
(yes that's right 700) unneutered and unvaccinated ferrets on the local
shelter. The shelter is is desperate need of help. Cash supplies and help.
Anything. For more information, http://www.ohioferretrescue.com/. I've
already made a couple of donations but much more help is needed.

If you please contribute.

thanks,

larry 



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Re: New to group

[Murray Firebird]

I read some of them.  Quite entertaining.  The recent Atheist thread was fun to 
read.  I did find the guy who said this country was founded as a Christian 
contry was delusional.

>Hi Murray ... welcome! I'm relatively new to the list, too (as a
>contributing member, at least) ... I stay out of the political discussions
>and stay up in the bleachers when it gets too rough and blood starts to
>flow. But it's fun to watch.
>

I'm glad to here that.  I picked up a small job training a COBOL developer in 
Amarillo.  I hope to pick up Cold Fusion fast enough to make some money at it.  

>I'm a freelancer in CF ... you'll be surprised at how much work you can get.
>I hear all the time that CF developers are hard to find, especially in our
>part of the world (i.e., the Midwest - I'm in Kansas City), so if you're
>good -- you're gold.
>

My dad was Cherokee and mom was German.  He met her in Texas when he worked as 
a welder in a shipyard.  Right after I was born he worked in Mississippi and 
then Mayport.  Now they live in Broken Bow.  I never got to know my 
grandparents,  I'm sure were related down the line.

>Don't let the red hair and freckles fool ya (a gift from my Irish grandma)
>... I just traced my family's history and they're all Cherokees from
>Oklahoma (near Tahlequah, naturally) on my grandpa's side, so maybe we're
>related (in spirit at least) ;)
>

I always do.  My manatee comment was the pot calling the kettle black.  I 
worked IT too long. :)

Maybe I can start to run again.

>Enjoy your muffins ...
>
>Shawna Hampton
>r(E)-Visions Consulting
>www.revisionsconsulting.net
>
>I'm new to the group and wanted to say hello.  Looking at the archives I get
>muffins if I lurked and came out, so what do I get for introducing myself?
>
>To let you know, I'm a recently retired developer in Oklahoma who is looking
>to suplement my pension with web development.  No one wants to hire a
>mainframe developer who is freelance only.  I decided eb development would
>give me some freelance work and Cold Fusion seems to be pretty simple
>syntactically.
>
>Also looking at the archives the politics here is a pretty divided.  I'm a
>social liberal and Native American, so I should fit in with many of you.  I
>am also a shaman and have risen above traditional gender identification -
>thus my email address.  In general, that is the extent of my religious
>discussion.  I will debate politics, but I might suprise you with my
>attitude. 

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RE: Iran

[Loathe]

So would you support an invasion/assistance force for Pakistan?

I would.

> -Original Message-
> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:42 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Iran
> 
> Pssst...Pakistan, as a whole, is not the most pro-American country in
> the world. Musharraf essentially signed a peace agreement with the
> ungovernable parts of the country that are actively hiding the very
> people that were responsible for the September 11th attacks. He himself
> is an unelected military dictator that has forced out previous Prime
> Ministers that might challenge his rule. You think that's a happier,
> more stable situation than Iran?
> 
> Oh and Pakistan and India do have a history of threatening to wipe out
> neighboring countries. Each other. In fact, they have been pulled back
> from the brink of all out warfare (with nuclear weapons in play)
> several
> times. Low level skirmishes and armed hostilities between the two occur
> on a daily basis. I would argue that you are more likely to see nuclear
> weapons used in that region than you are in Iran. That is one of those
> bets, however, that is not one you want to lose, so I agree that the
> world needs to do the best job it can keeping nuclear weapons from
> proliferating. Anywhere.
> 
> Judah
> 
> Robert Munn wrote:
> > Your calculus assumes that Iran will never start a war on its own,
> and that
> > diplomacy has a snowball's chance in hell of working.
> >
> > NK, Pakistan, and India have the bomb, but none of their leaders
> stand on a
> > platform chanting "Death to America" on a daily basis. None of their
> leaders
> > regularly deny historical acts of genocide or threaten to wipe out
> > neighboring countries. The most hostile is NK, and the only reason
> Kim Jong
> > Il is still  in power is that he has the backing of the Chinese (who
> fear
> > American military power and Korean democracy on their borders) and
> enough
> > artillery to detroy Seoul and kill hundreds of thousands of people in
> any
> > conflict. Basically, he is holding the South Koreans hostage, which
> is what
> > the Iranians want to do to the Middle East and, by extension, the
> rest of
> > the world via the oil supply. You think that is an acceptable
> scenario? BS.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Another large rescue of ferrets

[Larry Lyons]

Hi all, 

As many of you know, a while ago I let you all know about a large rescue of 
ferrets. Well recently there's been another rescue. An Ohio ferret breeder, 
because of health issues, decided to retire and essentially dumped over 700 
(yes that's right 700) unneutered and unvaccinated ferrets on the local 
shelter. The shelter is is desperate need of help. Cash supplies and help. 
Anything. For more information, http://www.ohioferretrescue.com/. I've already 
made a couple of donations but much more help is needed.

If you please contribute.

thanks,

larry 

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Re: Book Suggestions

[Ian Skinner]

I don't belive the bible.  There are no coyotes mentioned 

I do not believe that there are any coyotes in the CF|WACK books either, but 
they are still very good.  They will take you from barely knowing what a 
browser is to writing sophisticated n-tear web applications if one reads all of 
the several thousand pages.  Many of us skip the first several hundred basic 
pages which is one reason I believe they broke them out into their own book 
this time around.  That and the backache problem of carrying around that much 
dense tree products.

If you are not aware of it.  There are many discussion lists on the House Of 
Fusion.  This one, cf-community, is meant to be the 'water cooler, gossip' 
list.  The main general technical list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  There are many 
smart people there who do not have the time or patience for the variety of 
topic that appear on the community list.  So for nuts and bolts questions you 
may want to post them there.  There are also other much less trafficked lists 
for specific topics such as JavaScript, SQL, Server configuration ect.




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Re: Are Boulderites on crack?

[Bruce Sorge]

Amazingly enough I happen to agree with you guys that the words Under 
God should never have been introduced, and in fact the originator of the 
pledge had issues with this as well for the same reasons listed below. I 
am a religious man who attends church and so on, but I don't think that 
prayer has any place in school, and by having God referenced in the 
Pledge, it is a prayer of sorts and not just a Pledge of Allegiance. 
Just as I said (after I was called out by Judah) I don't think this is 
or should be a Christian Nation. I recognize that there are many diverse 
children in our schools and thus the word God may be offensive to some
..
So forgetting that the word God is missing from this "revised" version, 
the other points still stand I believe.

Bruce


Scott Stewart wrote:
> And I think "Under God" should be removed. 
> Here's my reasoning. 
>
> 1) the original intent of our founding fathers, that the church is the
> church and the state is the state, and neither the two shall meet
>
> 2) The United States is made up of many different religions (anyone have
> statistics on Christian vs. non Christian) we cannot cater to one and not
> the others, the best way is to not cater to any. It's the only fair way
>
> 3) I feel that if a person is religious, his or her faith should drive their
> personal choices, but should not influence the government at large. 
>
> 4) We are "a nation of laws not men"
>   

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Re: household bank

[Erika L. Walker]

I only use Enterprise and they've only ever put a hold equal to one day's
rental for me.

On 9/28/07, J.J. Merrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Actually 90% of the rental car places take debit cards, they will just
> do a $350 authorization... which if you notice is the exact same thing
> they do to credit cards.
>
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RE: New to group

[Shawna Hampton]

Hi Murray ... welcome! I'm relatively new to the list, too (as a
contributing member, at least) ... I stay out of the political discussions
and stay up in the bleachers when it gets too rough and blood starts to
flow. But it's fun to watch.

I'm a freelancer in CF ... you'll be surprised at how much work you can get.
I hear all the time that CF developers are hard to find, especially in our
part of the world (i.e., the Midwest - I'm in Kansas City), so if you're
good -- you're gold.

Don't let the red hair and freckles fool ya (a gift from my Irish grandma)
 I just traced my family's history and they're all Cherokees from
Oklahoma (near Tahlequah, naturally) on my grandpa's side, so maybe we're
related (in spirit at least) ;)

Enjoy your muffins ...

Shawna Hampton
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-Original Message-
From: Murray Firebird [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:46 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: New to group

I'm new to the group and wanted to say hello.  Looking at the archives I get
muffins if I lurked and came out, so what do I get for introducing myself?

To let you know, I'm a recently retired developer in Oklahoma who is looking
to suplement my pension with web development.  No one wants to hire a
mainframe developer who is freelance only.  I decided eb development would
give me some freelance work and Cold Fusion seems to be pretty simple
syntactically.

Also looking at the archives the politics here is a pretty divided.  I'm a
social liberal and Native American, so I should fit in with many of you.  I
am also a shaman and have risen above traditional gender identification -
thus my email address.  In general, that is the extent of my religious
discussion.  I will debate politics, but I might suprise you with my
attitude. 



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Re: Book Suggestions

[Murray Firebird]

Thanks for the responses.  WACK or CFWACK...  You are too much.

I'll see what is on the shelves and order what they don't.  I will get the Ben 
Forta books for sure.  I might also get the others.

> The 'Bible' of ColdFusion is the Ben Forta, ect. set.  Previously this 

I don't belive the bible.  There are no coyotes mentioned ;)


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RE: Are Boulderites on crack?

[Scott Stewart]

And I think "Under God" should be removed. 
Here's my reasoning. 

1) the original intent of our founding fathers, that the church is the
church and the state is the state, and neither the two shall meet

2) The United States is made up of many different religions (anyone have
statistics on Christian vs. non Christian) we cannot cater to one and not
the others, the best way is to not cater to any. It's the only fair way

3) I feel that if a person is religious, his or her faith should drive their
personal choices, but should not influence the government at large. 

4) We are "a nation of laws not men"
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-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:53 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Are Boulderites on crack?

The original pledge is:
'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, 
one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'

It was not until 1923 and 1924 that the National Flag Conference under 
the leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American 
Revolution changed the Pledge's words to 'my Flag' to 'the Flag of the 
United States of America'.

And it was the Knights of Columbus, in 1954 that recommended to Congress 
that Under God be added to the pledge

Bruce

Scott Stewart wrote:
> Why can't we just revert to the original text of the Pledge?
>
> "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to 
> the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, 
> with liberty and justice for all."
>
>   



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Re: Book Suggestions

[Ian Skinner]

The 'Bible' of ColdFusion is the Ben Forta, ect. set.  Previously this 
has included two titles, "ColdFusion ... Web Application Construction 
Kit" and "Advanced ColdFusion ... Application Development".  The latest 
edition which is coming soon to a book seller near you, is now in three 
parts; Adobe ColdFusion 8 Web Application Construction Kit, Volume 1: 
Getting Started; 
Adobe
 
ColdFusion 8 Web Application Construction Kit, Volume 2: Application 
Development; 
Adobe
 
ColdFusion 8 Web Application Construction Kit, Volume 3: Advanced 
Application Development 

 


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Re: Book Suggestions

[Bruce Sorge]

Murray,
Welcome to the community.

CFWACK! (ColdFusion Web Application Construction Kit)
ColdFusion MX Bible
ColdFusion MX Developers Handbook

All good books.


Bruce

Murray Firebird wrote:
> I'm heading to Amarillo this weekend and will be buying a few books.  Any 
> suggestions on Cold Fusion books to learn from?  I downloaded the manuals 
> from Adobe's site, but I think I need other help. 
>
>   

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Re: Book Suggestions

[William Bowen]

what version of CF?

> I'm heading to Amarillo this weekend and will be buying a few books.  Any 
> suggestions on Cold Fusion books to learn from?  I downloaded the manuals 
> from Adobe's site, but I think I need other help.


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Re: Book Suggestions

[Crow T. Robot]

yo (wo)man, you need WACK!

http://tinyurl.com/2wdzkc

On 9/28/07, Murray Firebird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm heading to Amarillo this weekend and will be buying a few books.  Any
> suggestions on Cold Fusion books to learn from?  I downloaded the manuals
> from Adobe's site, but I think I need other help.
>
> 

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Re: Are Boulderites on crack?

[Bruce Sorge]

The original pledge is:
'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, 
one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'

It was not until 1923 and 1924 that the National Flag Conference under 
the leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American 
Revolution changed the Pledge's words to 'my Flag' to 'the Flag of the 
United States of America'.

And it was the Knights of Columbus, in 1954 that recommended to Congress 
that Under God be added to the pledge

Bruce

Scott Stewart wrote:
> Why can't we just revert to the original text of the Pledge?
>
> "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to 
> the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, 
> with liberty and justice for all."
>
>   

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Book Suggestions

[Murray Firebird]

I'm heading to Amarillo this weekend and will be buying a few books.  Any 
suggestions on Cold Fusion books to learn from?  I downloaded the manuals from 
Adobe's site, but I think I need other help. 

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Re: another ebay question

[Bruce Sorge]

Did you sell something on eBay? If so then I assume you received 
payment. And if that is the case, it should not matter where the item is 
shipped to. It is bought and paid for. Once you ship it to where ever it 
is supposed to, it is out of your hands.  Just have proof of when and 
how you shipped it. So in this case, I would go ahead and do it. Now if 
it is a COD deal, no way.

Bruce

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> Is shipping to an unconfirmed address outside the norm?  or am I just
> being paranoid?

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Re: Iran

[Judah McAuley]

Pssst...Pakistan, as a whole, is not the most pro-American country in 
the world. Musharraf essentially signed a peace agreement with the 
ungovernable parts of the country that are actively hiding the very 
people that were responsible for the September 11th attacks. He himself 
is an unelected military dictator that has forced out previous Prime 
Ministers that might challenge his rule. You think that's a happier, 
more stable situation than Iran?

Oh and Pakistan and India do have a history of threatening to wipe out 
neighboring countries. Each other. In fact, they have been pulled back 
from the brink of all out warfare (with nuclear weapons in play) several 
times. Low level skirmishes and armed hostilities between the two occur 
on a daily basis. I would argue that you are more likely to see nuclear 
weapons used in that region than you are in Iran. That is one of those 
bets, however, that is not one you want to lose, so I agree that the 
world needs to do the best job it can keeping nuclear weapons from 
proliferating. Anywhere.

Judah

Robert Munn wrote:
> Your calculus assumes that Iran will never start a war on its own, and that
> diplomacy has a snowball's chance in hell of working.
> 
> NK, Pakistan, and India have the bomb, but none of their leaders stand on a
> platform chanting "Death to America" on a daily basis. None of their leaders
> regularly deny historical acts of genocide or threaten to wipe out
> neighboring countries. The most hostile is NK, and the only reason Kim Jong
> Il is still  in power is that he has the backing of the Chinese (who fear
> American military power and Korean democracy on their borders) and enough
> artillery to detroy Seoul and kill hundreds of thousands of people in any
> conflict. Basically, he is holding the South Koreans hostage, which is what
> the Iranians want to do to the Middle East and, by extension, the rest of
> the world via the oil supply. You think that is an acceptable scenario? BS.



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RE: Are Boulderites on crack?

[Scott Stewart]

Why can't we just revert to the original text of the Pledge?

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to 
the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, 
with liberty and justice for all."

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-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:32 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Are Boulderites on crack?

So I ran across this story today:

http://kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7137586


Text of the Pledge and student's revision

Associated Press - September 27th, 2007 2:24 PM ET

Text of Pledge of Allegiance:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to 
the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, 
with liberty and justice for all."

A revised version by members of the Student Workers group, which they 
plan to recite in place of the traditional pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag and my constitutional rights with which 
it comes. And to the diversity, in which our nation stands, one nation, 
part of 1 planet, with liberty, freedom, choice and justice for all".



WTF is this about? Please tell me this is a joke. What seems to be 
missing here?

God, America, indivisibility, Republic? None of these things are 
mentioned in the "revised" version.

And when did the flag come with constitutional rights? As far as I know, 
the flag represents the Republic of America, not constitutional rights. 
These kids really need to get a grip on reality and figure out what is 
going on. What is really scary is these kids are the future of America.

So what's next, they want to change the National Anthem too?

Bruce



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Re: Are Boulderites on crack?

[Crow T. Robot]

I'm glad they took God out.  He/She/It has no business in the pledge.

The rest, well, that I can agree with you on.

On 9/28/07, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So I ran across this story today:
>
> http://kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7137586
>
>
> Text of the Pledge and student's revision
>
> Associated Press - September 27th, 2007 2:24 PM ET
>
> Text of Pledge of Allegiance:
>
> "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to
> the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible,
> with liberty and justice for all."
>
> A revised version by members of the Student Workers group, which they
> plan to recite in place of the traditional pledge:
>
> "I pledge allegiance to the flag and my constitutional rights with which
> it comes. And to the diversity, in which our nation stands, one nation,
> part of 1 planet, with liberty, freedom, choice and justice for all".
>
>
>
> WTF is this about? Please tell me this is a joke. What seems to be
> missing here?
>
> God, America, indivisibility, Republic? None of these things are
> mentioned in the "revised" version.
>
> And when did the flag come with constitutional rights? As far as I know,
> the flag represents the Republic of America, not constitutional rights.
> These kids really need to get a grip on reality and figure out what is
> going on. What is really scary is these kids are the future of America.
>
> So what's next, they want to change the National Anthem too?
>
> Bruce
>
> 

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Are Boulderites on crack?

[Bruce Sorge]

So I ran across this story today:

http://kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7137586


Text of the Pledge and student's revision

Associated Press - September 27th, 2007 2:24 PM ET

Text of Pledge of Allegiance:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to 
the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, 
with liberty and justice for all."

A revised version by members of the Student Workers group, which they 
plan to recite in place of the traditional pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag and my constitutional rights with which 
it comes. And to the diversity, in which our nation stands, one nation, 
part of 1 planet, with liberty, freedom, choice and justice for all".



WTF is this about? Please tell me this is a joke. What seems to be 
missing here?

God, America, indivisibility, Republic? None of these things are 
mentioned in the "revised" version.

And when did the flag come with constitutional rights? As far as I know, 
the flag represents the Republic of America, not constitutional rights. 
These kids really need to get a grip on reality and figure out what is 
going on. What is really scary is these kids are the future of America.

So what's next, they want to change the National Anthem too?

Bruce

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Re: New to group

[Murray Firebird]

No insult to manatees, but I think Rosie could use a few years of swimming and 
eating sea grass.

>Now, why would you want to go and disrespect Mantees like that? :)
>
>-- 
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> 
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> 
>
>No, Roseanne Barr.  I think Rosie looks like a manatee. 

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another ebay question

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Is shipping to an unconfirmed address outside the norm?  or am I just
being paranoid?

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Re: Insane bug in Excel 2007

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

It's time to exploit it!

"okay boss let's see here currently I make $65535 a year.  All I want
for a raise this year is $1.   That's not a lot, so I think I should
be entitled to it.  Hold on while I put a dollar in this column and
then we'll add it to this other column here and voilajust cut me a
check to match that column."

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> On 9/28/07, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Most everyone in our office has been upgraded to Office 2007.
> >
> > That's some chedda there goes the year end bonus
>
>
> Two things here..
>
> #1 - I work for a University.  We don't get bonuses =)
> #2 - I work for a University.  MS Office is pretty cheap =)
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Re: Iran

[Robert Munn]

Your calculus assumes that Iran will never start a war on its own, and that
diplomacy has a snowball's chance in hell of working.

NK, Pakistan, and India have the bomb, but none of their leaders stand on a
platform chanting "Death to America" on a daily basis. None of their leaders
regularly deny historical acts of genocide or threaten to wipe out
neighboring countries. The most hostile is NK, and the only reason Kim Jong
Il is still  in power is that he has the backing of the Chinese (who fear
American military power and Korean democracy on their borders) and enough
artillery to detroy Seoul and kill hundreds of thousands of people in any
conflict. Basically, he is holding the South Koreans hostage, which is what
the Iranians want to do to the Middle East and, by extension, the rest of
the world via the oil supply. You think that is an acceptable scenario? BS.

On 9/28/07, Gruss  wrote:
>
> > RoMunn wrote:
> > How is this not getting through to you all- if Iran continues down the
> path
> > of developing nuclear weapons
>
> Here's the problem: if we attack Iran we could start a 100 year war of
> cultures.
>
> So a true leader will put together a coalition to solve the issue
> through diplomacy rather than force.  In the, if Iran gets the bomb,
> then they do.  NK has it.  Pakistan has it.  India has it.
>


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RE: New to group

[Scott Stewart]

Now, why would you want to go and disrespect Mantees like that? :)

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-Original Message-
From: Murray Firebird [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 3:37 PM
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No, Roseanne Barr.  I think Rosie looks like a manatee.

>you saw rosie o'donnell fly?
>
>
>> 



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Re: New to group

[Murray Firebird]

No, Roseanne Barr.  I think Rosie looks like a manatee.

>you saw rosie o'donnell fly?
>
>
>> 

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Re: New to group

[Charlie Griefer]

you saw rosie o'donnell fly?

On 9/28/07, Murray Firebird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll skip the peyote.  Might make me see flying pigs again.
>
> >BWAHAHA...classic
> >
> >Welcome to the group, have a peyote muffin.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
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> >there was frost on the ground
> >when the Tigers broke free.
>
> 

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Re: New to group

[Murray Firebird]

I'll skip the peyote.  Might make me see flying pigs again.

>BWAHAHA...classic
>
>Welcome to the group, have a peyote muffin.
>
>
>
>-- 
>It was dark all around
>there was frost on the ground
>when the Tigers broke free. 

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Re: New to group

[Murray Firebird]

I'm now about 30 miles west of Lawton.  Before my retirement, I worked in San 
Antonio, TX.

>> To let you know, I'm a recently retired developer in Oklahoma
>
>Welcome to the group - where in Oklahoma are you?
>
>You've seen the rest and know the answers.  Welcome to the group! 

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Re: New to group

[Murray Firebird]

Actually, Yes with a little Apache thrown in to make my neighbors uneasy.

I'm not so sure about the muffins.  I would love to compare.

> Interesting, a two-spirit. Cherokee? Glad to see you introduced
> yourself when Erika was paying attention. My muffins just don't
> compare ;)
> 

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Re: cf8 hosting

[Mary Jo Sminkey]

>i am looking for a cheap cf8 host that will let me play with flex &
>hopefully php as well for 3 domains.
>
>right now i pay 110 a year.

Have you considered getting a VPS? There was a thread this week on the main 
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AHPHosting.net has very reasonable prices for their CF8 VPS servers, you'll 
find a link to them right on the HouseofFusion site which they handle the 
servers for. It really can be a great way to go if you want more reliability, 
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Re: New to group

[tonyweeg]

erika's mufffins are VERRY soft and warm like pillow

On 9/28/07, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dana wrote:
> > Interesting, a two-spirit. Cherokee? Glad to see you introduced
> > yourself when Erika was paying attention. My muffins just don't
> > compare ;)
> Dana while I have never personally tried your muffins, but I just can
> not imagine that they are not just as tasty and tender as Erika's. ;-)
>
>
> 

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Re: what ever happened to....

[William Bowen]

> I was wondering what happened to Kevin Graeme. And Bill Wheatley, for
> that matter.

Bill pops up every now and again...

dunno re: Kevin
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Re: what ever happened to....

[Crow T. Robot]

Yea...Bill Wheatley pops in like every 6 months...kinda like Ben Doom, who
only comes around for the haiku, I guess. And puns.  Gotta have puns.

On 9/28/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was wondering what happened to Kevin Graeme. And Bill Wheatley, for
> that matter.
>
> On 9/28/07, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > William Bowen wrote:
> > > Didn't (doesn't) Ian work with him?
> > >
> > >
> > >> Ken Ketsdever (sp?)
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > Yup (yes) I did and do.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: cf8 hosting

[Charlie Griefer]

"10 ColdFusion Hosts Under $10/month"

http://www.rabidgadfly.com/?p=48

as of now, it seems there's only one on that list that supports 8, but
you might want to contact some of the others and see if they have any
intentions of upgrading.

On 9/28/07, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hey guys my current host http://2globalmart.com/ wont upgrade from 6.1
> i have been with them 4+ years.
> i have two weeks to find another host so i can get this next years payment 
> back.
>
> i am looking for a cheap cf8 host that will let me play with flex &
> hopefully php as well for 3 domains.
>
> right now i pay 110 a year.
> am sure i can do better, just want your warnings & praises of hosts
> you have dealt with.
> thanks!
> -paul
>
> 

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Re: New to group

[Dana]

aw shucks :)

On 9/28/07, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dana wrote:
> > Interesting, a two-spirit. Cherokee? Glad to see you introduced
> > yourself when Erika was paying attention. My muffins just don't
> > compare ;)
> Dana while I have never personally tried your muffins, but I just can
> not imagine that they are not just as tasty and tender as Erika's. ;-)
>
>
> 

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Re: cf8 hosting

[Ian Skinner]

I am very happy with my account at CFDynamics.com but I currently pay 
~$29.71/month for their enhanced plan so that I have the functionality I 
want.  I just upgraded my account to CF8 last week and I now plan to 
start incorporating Flex into my site.  They have already confirmed that 
my account is Flex ready.  I also use GoDaddy for my personal vanity 
site, but I would not recommend them for anybody who want a partner in 
their hosting provider.  Their self-service setup and configurations 
work well, but one seems to get what one pays for in customer support.  
I also do not know if they have or will upgrade to CF8 or anything about 
their Flex support.  I have frequently heard good things about HostMySite.

A quick review of my personal experience.

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Re: what ever happened to....

[Charlie Griefer]

Bill's been popping into the #coldfusion channel on IRC (DALnet)
lately... but just generally lurking.  I've not seen him actually
speak yet :)

On 9/28/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was wondering what happened to Kevin Graeme. And Bill Wheatley, for
> that matter.
>
> On 9/28/07, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > William Bowen wrote:
> > > Didn't (doesn't) Ian work with him?
> > >
> > >
> > >> Ken Ketsdever (sp?)
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > Yup (yes) I did and do.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: New to group

[Ian Skinner]

Dana wrote:
> Interesting, a two-spirit. Cherokee? Glad to see you introduced
> yourself when Erika was paying attention. My muffins just don't
> compare ;)
Dana while I have never personally tried your muffins, but I just can 
not imagine that they are not just as tasty and tender as Erika's. ;-)


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cf8 hosting

[Paul Ihrig]

hey guys my current host http://2globalmart.com/ wont upgrade from 6.1
i have been with them 4+ years.
i have two weeks to find another host so i can get this next years payment back.

i am looking for a cheap cf8 host that will let me play with flex &
hopefully php as well for 3 domains.

right now i pay 110 a year.
am sure i can do better, just want your warnings & praises of hosts
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Re: New to group

[C. Hatton Humphrey]

> To let you know, I'm a recently retired developer in Oklahoma

Welcome to the group - where in Oklahoma are you?

You've seen the rest and know the answers.  Welcome to the group!

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Re: serious question

[Dana]

oooky.

I am taking this as a yes



On 9/28/07, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> flap away crow, go
> Jose and Manuel wait
> Not talking to you
>
> you can call me ray
> ray jay. r jay or johnson
> just not late for lunch
>
> On 9/28/07, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > who is this Raymund?
> > i do not know such a man
> > i only see crow
>
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Re: what ever happened to....

[Dana]

I was wondering what happened to Kevin Graeme. And Bill Wheatley, for
that matter.

On 9/28/07, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> William Bowen wrote:
> > Didn't (doesn't) Ian work with him?
> >
> >
> >> Ken Ketsdever (sp?)
> >>
> >
> >
> Yup (yes) I did and do.
>
>
>
> 

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Re: household bank

[Dana]

eh. There are uses for credit imho. Of course, I keep mine mostly paid
off so that may be the difference.

On 9/28/07, J.J. Merrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually 90% of the rental car places take debit cards, they will just
> do a $350 authorization... which if you notice is the exact same thing
> they do to credit cards.
>
> On 9/28/07, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm right behind you JJ. Slowly getting rid of all but one card. Rental car
> > peeps still don't debit cards and personally I hate carrying cash. :)
> >
> > On 9/27/07, J.J. Merrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I feel your pain.
> > >
> > > In February of 2009 we will be done with debt and on to a life of
> > > getting rich slow and living like an old grandmother. Debt free and
> > > paying with cash!
> > >
> > > -J.J.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: New to group

[Dana]

Interesting, a two-spirit. Cherokee? Glad to see you introduced
yourself when Erika was paying attention. My muffins just don't
compare ;)

On 9/28/07, Murray Firebird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm new to the group and wanted to say hello.  Looking at the archives I get 
> muffins if I lurked and came out, so what do I get for introducing myself?
>
> To let you know, I'm a recently retired developer in Oklahoma who is looking 
> to suplement my pension with web development.  No one wants to hire a 
> mainframe developer who is freelance only.  I decided eb development would 
> give me some freelance work and Cold Fusion seems to be pretty simple 
> syntactically.
>
> Also looking at the archives the politics here is a pretty divided.  I'm a 
> social liberal and Native American, so I should fit in with many of you.  I 
> am also a shaman and have risen above traditional gender identification - 
> thus my email address.  In general, that is the extent of my religious 
> discussion.  I will debate politics, but I might suprise you with my attitude.
>
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Re: New to group

[Erika L. Walker]

Muffins. And a hearty welcome.

We've gotten healthier around here, so this week's welcome batch is whole
wheat blueberry muffins with no added sugar. Made with no sugar added
applesauce as a sugar replacement. Absolutely fantastic warm and right out
of the oven. I hope you enjoy :)

Welcome to the list.

On 9/28/07, Murray Firebird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm new to the group and wanted to say hello.  Looking at the archives I
> get muffins if I lurked and came out, so what do I get for introducing
> myself?
>
>


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Re: household bank

[Erika L. Walker]

I'm right behind you JJ. Slowly getting rid of all but one card. Rental car
peeps still don't debit cards and personally I hate carrying cash. :)

On 9/27/07, J.J. Merrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I feel your pain.
>
> In February of 2009 we will be done with debt and on to a life of
> getting rich slow and living like an old grandmother. Debt free and
> paying with cash!
>
> -J.J.
>
>


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Re: household bank

[J.J. Merrick]

Actually 90% of the rental car places take debit cards, they will just
do a $350 authorization... which if you notice is the exact same thing
they do to credit cards.

On 9/28/07, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm right behind you JJ. Slowly getting rid of all but one card. Rental car
> peeps still don't debit cards and personally I hate carrying cash. :)
>
> On 9/27/07, J.J. Merrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I feel your pain.
> >
> > In February of 2009 we will be done with debt and on to a life of
> > getting rich slow and living like an old grandmother. Debt free and
> > paying with cash!
> >
> > -J.J.
> >
> >
>
>
> 

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Re: what ever happened to....

[Ian Skinner]

William Bowen wrote:
> Didn't (doesn't) Ian work with him?
>
>   
>> Ken Ketsdever (sp?)
>> 
>
>   
Yup (yes) I did and do.



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Re: what ever happened to....

[Crow T. Robot]

Yep, just got an email from Ian that he's still around, he's just one of
those management-y types now.  Bo! :)

I was actually wondering what became of all those light panels he had, and
if it turned out to be something cool or just a pile of junk.

On 9/28/07, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Didn't (doesn't) Ian work with him?
>
> > Ken Ketsdever (sp?)
>
> --
> will
>
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> and that would just be unacceptable."
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>
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Re: New to group

[Tony]

rastabaked muffins comin right up from this end of the political spectrum

tw

On 9/28/07, Deanna Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What do you get here,
> For introducing yourself?
> Extra Muffins - Yum!
>
>
> On 9/28/07, Murray Firebird wrote:
> > I'm new to the group and wanted to say hello.  Looking at the archives I 
> > get muffins if I lurked and came out, so what do I get for introducing 
> > myself?
> >
>
> 

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Re: Insane bug in Excel 2007

[Judah McAuley]

Rick Root wrote:
> On 9/28/07, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Most everyone in our office has been upgraded to Office 2007.
>> That's some chedda there goes the year end bonus
> 
> 
> Two things here..
> 
> #1 - I work for a University.  We don't get bonuses =)
> #2 - I work for a University.  MS Office is pretty cheap =)
> 

Hey, I thought you said you worked in the Real World!

I've worked for a University before. I liked it in a lot of ways, but it 
sure ain't the real world :)

Judah


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Re: what ever happened to....

[Bruce Sorge]

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/413/8a1

Bruce

Crow T. Robot wrote:
> Ken Ketsdever (sp?)

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Re: New to group

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

I was astounded by the coincidence myself.

Now, what this group needs is for Kiera Knightley to join the group,
profess her undying everlasting love for me and then affirm it by
showing up at my office wearing only a pair of black prada shoes.

Everyone cross your fingers and hope for the law of coincidences to continue.


On 9/28/07, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> indeed.  just last week we were saying that, while the group is
> -somewhat- interesting now, what it *really* needs is a crossdressing
> social liberal native american shaman  from Oklahoma.
>
> w00t! :)
>
> (welcome, Murray!)
>
> On 9/28/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This group just got that much more interesting!
> >
> > On 9/28/07, Murray Firebird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm new to the group and wanted to say hello.  Looking at the archives I 
> > > get muffins if I lurked and came out, so what do I get for introducing 
> > > myself?
> > >
> > > To let you know, I'm a recently retired developer in Oklahoma who is 
> > > looking to suplement my pension with web development.  No one wants to 
> > > hire a mainframe developer who is freelance only.  I decided eb 
> > > development would give me some freelance work and Cold Fusion seems to be 
> > > pretty simple syntactically.
> > >
> > > Also looking at the archives the politics here is a pretty divided.  I'm 
> > > a social liberal and Native American, so I should fit in with many of 
> > > you.  I am also a shaman and have risen above traditional gender 
> > > identification - thus my email address.  In general, that is the extent 
> > > of my religious discussion.  I will debate politics, but I might suprise 
> > > you with my attitude.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: what ever happened to....

[William Bowen]

Didn't (doesn't) Ian work with him?

> Ken Ketsdever (sp?)

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what ever happened to....

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Re: Haiku battle

[William Bowen]

s January, then is 2007?

wow. what sort of legal leg is this fella hoping to stand on?

> YEA, last year, he is just now pressing legal buttons.

If legal eagles scry, you might wanna rasta up Holmes...

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Re: Insane bug in Excel 2007

[Rick Root]

On 9/28/07, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Most everyone in our office has been upgraded to Office 2007.
>
> That's some chedda there goes the year end bonus


Two things here..

#1 - I work for a University.  We don't get bonuses =)
#2 - I work for a University.  MS Office is pretty cheap =)

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Re: New to group

[Deanna Schneider]

What do you get here,
For introducing yourself?
Extra Muffins - Yum!


On 9/28/07, Murray Firebird wrote:
> I'm new to the group and wanted to say hello.  Looking at the archives I get 
> muffins if I lurked and came out, so what do I get for introducing myself?
>

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Re: New to group

[Ben Doom]

Murray Firebird wrote:
> I'm new to the group and wanted to say hello.  Looking at the archives I get 
> muffins if I lurked and came out, so what do I get for introducing myself?

You get to pick what kind of muffins you get. Welcome to the madhouse.

Should I have done that in haiku?  /me ducks

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Re: New to group

[Vivec]

o/ I'm coming out! Commng!! I want the world to knoooww! Got to
let it shooo-ow/o
*dances*
 MCA ! It's fun to live in the  MCA!!!

*tosses muffins around*

For introducing yourself you get a song and dance number plus muffins.
0_0
*ahem*

YY MCA Its fun to live in the
YYY MCAA-A!

*continues dancing*

On 9/28/07, Murray Firebird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm new to the group and wanted to say hello.  Looking at the archives I get 
> muffins if I lurked and came out, so what do I get for introducing myself?

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Re: New to group

[G Money]

BWAHAHA...classic

Welcome to the group, have a peyote muffin.

On 9/28/07, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> indeed.  just last week we were saying that, while the group is
> -somewhat- interesting now, what it *really* needs is a crossdressing
> social liberal native american shaman  from Oklahoma.
>
> w00t! :)
>
> (welcome, Murray!)
>

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there was frost on the ground
when the Tigers broke free.


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Re: Insane bug in Excel 2007

[Vivec]

"We meaning CF-Talk Web Developers"

noes noes...i meant generally, in the whole Excel 2007 users, I'm
surprised that an error like this took so long to be caught in the
first place. It's worrying because you think that a major platform
with a critical mass of users can't be bugged in these ways. I think
that someone, somewhere much smarter and knowledgeable than me would
catch an error like that immediately.

On 9/28/07, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We meaning CF-Talk Web Developers

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Re: New to group

[Charlie Griefer]

indeed.  just last week we were saying that, while the group is
-somewhat- interesting now, what it *really* needs is a crossdressing
social liberal native american shaman  from Oklahoma.

w00t! :)

(welcome, Murray!)

On 9/28/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This group just got that much more interesting!
>
> On 9/28/07, Murray Firebird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm new to the group and wanted to say hello.  Looking at the archives I 
> > get muffins if I lurked and came out, so what do I get for introducing 
> > myself?
> >
> > To let you know, I'm a recently retired developer in Oklahoma who is 
> > looking to suplement my pension with web development.  No one wants to hire 
> > a mainframe developer who is freelance only.  I decided eb development 
> > would give me some freelance work and Cold Fusion seems to be pretty simple 
> > syntactically.
> >
> > Also looking at the archives the politics here is a pretty divided.  I'm a 
> > social liberal and Native American, so I should fit in with many of you.  I 
> > am also a shaman and have risen above traditional gender identification - 
> > thus my email address.  In general, that is the extent of my religious 
> > discussion.  I will debate politics, but I might suprise you with my 
> > attitude.
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Insane bug in Excel 2007

[Casey Dougall]

On 9/28/07, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 9/27/07, Casey Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > How often are we all really using excel?
>
> MANY of my 400 use Excel every day.


We meaning CF-Talk Web Developers

> How many have upgraded to 2007?
>
> Most everyone in our office has been upgraded to Office 2007.


That's some chedda there goes the year end bonus

> How many just gave up and switched to google docs?
>
> None of my users that I'm aware of.
>
> Maybe it's because I live and work in a place called "The Real World"


We've just finished a project that, were not for a shared document, it would
have been much more tedious to keep on track. 2 months with users making
updates throughout the day.

I'm sure you can do things like this with Office but it was easy enough and
free for us to do this in the browser.


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