Re: Best ways to find projects
You are welcome. Ravi. Anirudh Apsingekar wrote: Ravi and Everyone, Thanks for all the inputs and knowledge sharing.I really liked the way people express their views here even i am one of those like other people out there in Sales and Business Development.I always love to meet new people and understand what every one is talking which helps in me in the growth of my career. to be honest i joined browse this to find some new opportunities or projects after seeing this discussion i felt that's not all i want to build my network which gives me more knowledge. I follow one thing Knowledge is the prime factor and working honestly with commitment after all this, money flows by its own means. Regards, Anirudh. Evoke Technologies. anir...@evoketechnologies.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4234 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/19/economy-slumps-firms-line-hire-skilled-foreign-workers/ Aaron Rouse wrote: Or even themselves for the long run but in the shortrun it will make the stock holders happy. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Jeffry Houser j...@farcryfly.com wrote: RobG wrote: I like Ravi's positive outlook, but I have to somewhat disagree and say that there are lots of companies that will, without hesitation, do what's best for them, regardless of how loyal you've been or how hard you've worked. If it is a publicly traded company, it is illegal (in the US) to do anything else. The only responsibility the company has is to its shareholders. It is not uncommon for companies to change or do things that are not in the best interests of their employees, partners, or customers. -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur Adobe Community Expert: http://tinyurl.com/684b5h http://www.twitter.com/reboog711 | Phone: 203-379-0773 -- Easy to use Interface Components for Flex Developers http://www.flextras.com?c=104 -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4230 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..
Hello Jeffry, I hear that a lotI believe that there is good and bad everywhere. In my opinion, if you are really good and you do your job honestly, no matter who you are (native or foreigner), that you will get paid fairly and you will not be treated as servants (not sure about other countries). Be it a foreigner or a native, it does not really matter anymore. It may have mattered in the past but not anymore. I do not believe that foreigners are taking away the jobs natives can do (I refer to computer related jobs). I believe that natives are choosing the best work force for their current needs. Do I think that it is somewhat harder for foreigners than it is for natives? Yes. I do think that it is but this is a country of opportunity. The kind of opportunity that you will never find elsewhere. So I would take any hardness that I find here for a chance to better myself. H1B Visas are HARDLY being issued (so I hear). Its almost unheard of these days. Either you come here on a student visa (I-20 co-op program) or you better have a Green Card. H1B Visas can cost a LOT of money to companies and it is ONLY worth in exceptional cases. I heard about a company that brought this Chinese dude that was phenomenal. He could do virtually anything you can imagine. He was one of a kind programmer...very smart...later got admitted at MIT and today if I am not mistaken he works for NASA. The company sponsored his Green Card and everything. Only those kind of people are getting H1B Visas these days (so I heard). It is very selective these days. My sister is a Canadian citizen and she was telling me about Canadian immigration laws the other day. She told me that in order for anyone to enter Canada that they need to be qualified. The Canadians have a score system. You need to have a certain score in order to enter Canada. So for example, if you have a bachelors degree you automatically get more points. If you have a valid work history then that also counts towards your score. This way only the qualified people get in. What I love about Canada is that once they filtered everyone, they make it easy for you to get the Canadian citizenship. Forget about this bullshit of Green Card. There are no talks about foreigners being servants in Canadians (so I hear). I just think that we should implement some type of score system or qualification measurement so to only let those who are qualified into the country. Indeed, make it easy for newcomers to get their Green Cards. woww...OK! I gotta work now...got carried away...anyways...cya Ravi. http://ravigehlot.wordpress.com/ Jeffry Houser wrote: Personally I'd rather have smart people being brought into this country than them being sent elsewhere. I believe having intelligent people here it is a good long-term strategy for making this country better; no matter where they were born. I understand that many of the criticisms of such programs, such as H1B Visa, is that companies are bringing in foreigners to jobs that native USA-residents are qualified to do; and the workers brought in are treated as indenture servants. I do not know enough about said programs to tell whether that is a valid concern of a bunch of FUD. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4212 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..
Hello Rob, I agree with you. Companies will always do whats best for them no matter what. This is the nature of capitalism. One should never take anything for granted especially in this ever changing field of work. Ravi. RobG wrote: I like Ravi's positive outlook, but I have to somewhat disagree and say that there are lots of companies that will, without hesitation, do what's best for them, regardless of how loyal you've been or how hard you've worked. It's up to you to keep your eyes open, so if you see it happening, you can react accordingly. A few years ago, I had taken a remote job with a company out of San Diego. They were a computer hardware/software reseller similar to CDW (but it was NOT CDW). I was one of four developers, only one of which worked on-site. The company flew us all out and we had a great time for the week meeting each other, going over systems, making plans, etc, etc, etc, while listening to the CEO and his right-hand-man make promises for the future. A few months later, my job got cut because they decided to cut one of the four developer positions and outsource that position to CHINA. They could get TEN chinese developers for what they were paying me (which wasn't much to begin with). When I spoke to the CEO's right-hand-man about this, and the promises made while we were all in San Diego, he said, hey, it's business. Nice. I've kept in touch with some of the people there, and as we all figured, the outsourcing came back to bite them in the ass, and I've even seen them advertise for developers on cf-jobs. So I guess the bottom line is this... NEVER take anybody's word unless it's in writing, and even then, doubt it. Rob ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4219 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..
Hello Aaron, You are right. There are outsourced jobs in Brazil as there are their own created jobs. This is what I meant to say. I also know of a Brazilian guy that has been working for a company in the US while living in Brazil. But he tells me that his job is somewhat vulnerable. Usually companies prefer to have work force on-site. Ravi. Aaron Rouse wrote: From what I gathered last week it is not just within their boarders. Like I mentioned someone here is already looking into outsourcing work to an outfit out of Brazil. About 7 years ago I worked on a project here that was with a Brazilian. Shared an office with him for about a year before he moved back and he has been working remotely from there ever since. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Ravi Gehlot r...@ravigehlot.net wrote: Hello Aaron, Right. I read that on the Washington Post the other day. I heard that Brazil has had an increase in tech jobs and more people are employed there these days. However, their jobs are not so much outsourced jobs from other countries but jobs created within their boundaries. Not sure how that's working though. Brazil is investing big bucks on education. They are creating more private schools than they ever created before which is good. Hopefully in years to come there will be more qualified Brazilians and more research coming from there. I have lived and worked in Brazil, Portugal, Canada and US. I have never experienced a market as aggressive as the US market. You work a lot here and you stress a lot. They take the milk out of you here. There is nothing like a laid back job in the US but we get remunerated and we learn a lot. The more the demand, the more one works and researches. Indeed, you become a better employee you are always going something here. Ravi. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4220 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..
Just my $0.02 cents...I think that recruiters do help one get a job. Yes, most recruiters are all about business but who is not? They try to get you in and if they can not then they go on to the next one. This is just the nature of their business. They gotta make it work and in order to make it work they have to move fast and find the right candidate for the right position. That's fine. However, what I do not agree with is the fact that most of these recruiters are extremely friendly at first and then it all changes afterwards. I have heard this from most programmers. This is not just coming from me. Also, if they can not get you the job that they have been trying to then they also vanish without a trace (this does not apply to all recruiters). They don't even send you an e-mail to say go look for a new opportunity. I mean, it only takes 5 seconds right? I took 1 week of my time to talk to you and you do not have 5 seconds to say...Hey, it did not work but maybe next time? AlsoI had one recruiter call me every 2 weeks to have me rely information about the company hiring procedures. He wanted to know if anyone was being hired directly by the company instead of his recruiting company. SoI try not to be on either side..I am neutral. But man...you come to me to ask me questions but when I go to you to ask you questions you just ignore me? What kind of recruiter-to-programmer relationship is that? This is not an attack on recruiters. My experience with recruiting companies is OK. Will I work with recruiters in the future. YES. Everybody is entitled to making mistakes right? I am sure they also have a lot to tell about programmers too. This is just my $0.02 cents, Ravi. Jerry Johnson wrote: I was (mostly) kidding. But many programmers and tech types do not realize how _hard_ placement folk work to get someone into a job. It seems like free money when you see how much they added to your contracting rate, or how much you hear they get paid per permanent placement, but believe it or not it is a difficult job. You _need_ to divorce personal feelings for each client from the equation. It is easy to get paralyzed with I _need_ a job this week, or I lose my house (my children are sick, my mother-in-law lives with us, etc), but you cannot let it get to you. You need to be able to take 30 rejections in stride, and swing just as hard, with as much patience and professionalism as you did on the first. And you need to be able to In the glory days of the dot com era it was an easy job. (pick one resume at random from column a, match with one job opening from column b, profit!) But companies (for the most part) are much smarter in their hiring. and tech staff are much more skittish after bad experiences. So matchmaking is important if you want any follow on placements. The skillset that makes a good recruiter, in my opinion, are very specific. As Rob mentions below, they need to leave the tech staff feeling decent (even if turned down), need to leave the company feeling good (whether you place a person or not, you still want them to keep your card for next time. Because there will be a next time). You need for your recruiting company to feel you are contributing. And you need to feel pretty good about what you are doing (and how you are doing it) or the smudges on your soul get overwhelming and over time very obvious to others. I don't have the right skills, but I respect the skills in others and can recognize people that do have it all when I meet them. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Rich Baker ri...@teaminfo.com wrote: Wow... Probably should have exercised better judgment than in sending that email to the whole group... - To each his own Richard E. Baker | TEAM Information Services ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4192 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..
Correct. There are good recruiters as there are bad ones. There are good and bad everywhere. So it is important to work with someone that you trust. Every programmer must do their own research. Ravi. Scott Stewart wrote: I've worked with both, if I do go down this road I know who I don't want to be and that the guy who recruits by attrition. I've been the recipient of the fishing email and phone calls dozens of times, and it's never panned out. Someone with horribly broken English calls about a job half way across the country and my first response is are they considering telecommuters, the answer is usually no, or what?. My next question is is your client willing to contract a relocation company to move myself and my wife and buy our house. The answer again is usually no, and then they ask if I'm willing to rent an apartment wherever the job is, my answer is always no, because by this point, their asking me to take a financial loss to work for their client. On the other hand there are a handful of recruiters with whom I have had very very successful relationships with, and one in particular who has become a pretty good friend.. why, because they're honest stand up people who look at prospective employment candidates as something more than just an email address or a means to fulfill US State Department guidelines, to bring in H1B Visas candidates. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4202 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..
Qasim, There is no problem with H1B Visas. I have no clue why Scott mentioned it. Who cares... Ravi. Qasim Rasheed wrote: What's wrong with H1B visa if used appropriately. I came to this country based on that facility and have been able to become a permanent citizen. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Ravi Gehlot r...@ravigehlot.net wrote: Correct. There are good recruiters as there are bad ones. There are good and bad everywhere. So it is important to work with someone that you trust. Every programmer must do their own research. Ravi. Scott Stewart wrote: I've worked with both, if I do go down this road I know who I don't want to be and that the guy who recruits by attrition. I've been the recipient of the fishing email and phone calls dozens of times, and it's never panned out. Someone with horribly broken English calls about a job half way across the country and my first response is are they considering telecommuters, the answer is usually no, or what?. My next question is is your client willing to contract a relocation company to move myself and my wife and buy our house. The answer again is usually no, and then they ask if I'm willing to rent an apartment wherever the job is, my answer is always no, because by this point, their asking me to take a financial loss to work for their client. On the other hand there are a handful of recruiters with whom I have had very very successful relationships with, and one in particular who has become a pretty good friend.. why, because they're honest stand up people who look at prospective employment candidates as something more than just an email address or a means to fulfill US State Department guidelines, to bring in H1B Visas candidates. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4205 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting..
Scott, I have always been a Green Card holder so I am not familiar with other visas. I can't give you a formed opinion on this onesorry Ravi. Scott Stewart wrote: Ravi, I mentioned it because the way that I understand the program to work is that you have to provide proof to the State Department that you attempted to hire a citizen for the position. All that's required is a stack of resumes, and someone to say that they weren't right for the job. I feel like many of the fishnet recruiters are collecting resumes for the sole purpose of providing that proof. IE: there is no intent to actually attempt to hire a citizen for the position. I could be wrong about how the program works, but this is how it was explained to me a few years ago. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 -Original Message- From: Ravi Gehlot [mailto:r...@ravigehlot.net] Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:42 PM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: Re: Thinking of a career change.. how does one get into Technical Recruiting.. Qasim, There is no problem with H1B Visas. I have no clue why Scott mentioned it. Who cares... Ravi. Qasim Rasheed wrote: What's wrong with H1B visa if used appropriately. I came to this country based on that facility and have been able to become a permanent citizen. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Ravi Gehlot r...@ravigehlot.net wrote: Correct. There are good recruiters as there are bad ones. There are good and bad everywhere. So it is important to work with someone that you trust. Every programmer must do their own research. Ravi. Scott Stewart wrote: I've worked with both, if I do go down this road I know who I don't want to be and that the guy who recruits by attrition. I've been the recipient of the fishing email and phone calls dozens of times, and it's never panned out. Someone with horribly broken English calls about a job half way across the country and my first response is are they considering telecommuters, the answer is usually no, or what?. My next question is is your client willing to contract a relocation company to move myself and my wife and buy our house. The answer again is usually no, and then they ask if I'm willing to rent an apartment wherever the job is, my answer is always no, because by this point, their asking me to take a financial loss to work for their client. On the other hand there are a handful of recruiters with whom I have had very very successful relationships with, and one in particular who has become a pretty good friend.. why, because they're honest stand up people who look at prospective employment candidates as something more than just an email address or a means to fulfill US State Department guidelines, to bring in H1B Visas candidates. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4207 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Best ways to find projects
I have experienced the same here especially with IT. But since I like programming more, I kind of drifted away from the whole IT scene. But you are correct, word of the mouth is also a good selling point. Great you mentioned it. Ravi. Jacob wrote: Word of mouth... I been in IT for 14 years now. 100% of my side jobs are word of mouth. Sometimes, I have to turn down side jobs because I have too many. People start mentioning my name to other people and it snowballs from there -Original Message- From: Jenny [mailto:jenn...@jennysplace.org] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 4:59 PM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: Best ways to find projects Having seen replies as expected regarding on line project sites, I'd be interested in hearing about everyone's most popular/successful way of finding projects. I currently get some work through my web site www.fasttrackonline.co.uk, but not nearly as much as i would like to see. Traffic to my site has also reduced considerably since the economic downturn, so I need to find other routes to landing projects. I'd also very much appreciate any feedback on the web site. Thanks in advance, Jenny ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4163 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
We Do Three Types of Jobs Here
At times, I get requests from people wanting me to build websites for them. Such websites range from a simple layout, in css without any server side scripting, to complex websites like those of social networks. These same people want the work to be done in an unbelievably short amount of time and with little to no budget. So I kept thinking on how to approach these people and explain this would cost time and money to deliver quality work. In turn, the old saying A picture is worth a thousand words comes to mind and this picture surely explains my feelings towards this situation. Check it out: * http://tinyurl.com/humorFreelance *Ravi.* * ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4165 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: We Do Three Types of Jobs Here...
Vicky, I wasn't able to find the presentation but I did find the notes of a person(http://www.philduba.com/index.cfm/2008/6/21/CFUnited--Changing-the-Game) who attended it. Here are his notes from the presentation Changing the Games by Helms. - Concentrating only on your rates = commoditizing yourself, at least without adding value and/or establishing relationships - Acquiring a new customer costs 6 times as much as keeping one - put the best interests of clients first, even if it isn't in your immediate best interests - message you put out is the types of clients you will attract (ie., if you say you build what is wanted and are cheap, those are the types of clients you will get) - build a portfolio before going off on own, take on jobs you have no problem referring future clients too - look deeper when responding to potential clients, keep their interests at heart - keep up to date on competition across the client's industry to see if there are other ideas that may be applicable to a client's needs or other things the competitors do not have - get as much information about a client as you can before meeting with them - remember that to a business person, software is expensive and risky. ideally, you need to develop a process and/or methodology that helps to mitigate the risk - Great comment from the audience: customers want programs done good, cheap, and quick and that most can only achieve two of the three - help to define the risk about the project, make the customer realize what could go wrong. it makes you stand out and differentiates yourself from others - goal is to be not just a commodity developer or coder, but become someone they can rely on that has their interests in heart Ravi. Vicky wrote: Hal Helms Clark Valberg gave a good preso at ColdFusion United called Changing the Game. It was about how to win more profitable work. The materials may still be on the CF United 2008 website, if not on Hal's own site/blog. It was very interesting and worthwhile. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Ravi Gehlot r...@ravigehlot.net wrote: At times, I get requests from people wanting me to build websites for them. Such websites range from a simple layout, in css without any server side scripting, to complex websites like those of social networks. These same people want the work to be done in an unbelievably short amount of time and with little to no budget. So I kept thinking on how to approach these people and explain this would cost time and money to deliver quality work. In turn, the old saying A picture is worth a thousand words comes to mind and this picture surely explains my feelings towards this situation. Check it out: * http://tinyurl.com/humorFreelance *Ravi.* * ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4167 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: CF Job Market
Hello Adam, I couldn't agree more with you. Ravi. Adam Reynolds wrote: Or better still learn Flex/Air. Look at upcoming technologies where the number of skilled individuals is low. Don't go down the I'll learn Java route because honestly you need 3+ years commercial experience. Ravi Gehlot wrote: Dave, As we all know the economy is not doing so well. It does not matter how much one can say that it is unfair to blame the economy (as I have heard) but there have been many job cuts. Many programmers are out of their jobs because either companies are afraid to expand or just don't have the money to hire more work force. So there are fewer jobs and there will be even more cuts as the next president tries to fix this mess that the current president left (lets not get into politics here). I will give you an example, about 2 to 3 years ago, I used to search for CF jobs on monster.com and I would often get impressed with the amount of available positions that that search used to return. It felt like employers were seeking candidates at all times and everywhere. If you try to do a search now, you will not get many jobs. You try to contact the fewer ones left and they are already interviewing 3 to 5 other candidates for that spot. Here is what I recommend you. Do not get stuck with just one language. Regardless of its popularity, try to learn another skill. For instance, for as much as people complain that PHP is nothing but a mess, it is the one that offers the most jobs. If you know PHP really well chances are that you will find a job somewhere or even an outsourced position (Yes, people also outsource jobs to the U.S.). I am have been trying to learn Ruby and PHP. Why not? Always remember: Don't let others say you can't do just because they can't do it Good Luck, Ravi Gehlot. Hi all, My job will be ending sometime next year due to a merger. I'm a Senior level CF Developer with 10+ years experience. I am wondering what the job market is looking like out there for us senior type CF developers with the economy the way it is here in the US. What I'm concerned about most that I see is more job descriptions asking for mid-level and junior developers, and lower salaries for those as well. I'm wondering if I might have trouble finding a job when the time comes because my salary demands would be too high and/or the employer would rather pay someone a lower salary for less experience, thinking they are getting the same efficiency. Please share whatever your thoughts are on this topic. I think this thread will be useful for anyone visiting it in the next 12-18 months, so let's really try to provide some good 'intel', if you will on the 'near future' CF market. Thanks! Dave Phillips ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4145 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Best ways to find projects
Jenny, There are many ways to attract potential clients/projects. But freelancing has its drawbacks as you might already know. I prefer a job over freelancing because I get benefits and a steady pay. But back to your question, in order for you to get more clients/projects you need to build your presence on the Internet. It was a great idea of yours to start your own business website. That's a great start but it will not attract people(clients/projects) if it is not being advertised somehow. So try to market your name or your business name (Fast Track Online). For instance, your name(Jenny Gavin-Wear) is very powerful. Try to build a BLOG and give people what they want. They want quality articles that they can learn a bunch from. Try to get a domain name after your name and build a BLOG. Thats where you will post articles and people will read about it. If you can do that, you can build traffic. If you can build traffic that trusts your information, you can build prospects that may hire you later on. Take for instance my BLOG at http://www.ravigehlot.net/ . I have been getting about 500 visits daily just because I wrote 1 good article on SVN. My BLOG has only been around for 3 weeks and it is already getting some attention. Yesterday, I had a guy from France pay me $200 dollars to step up SVN for him. While, $200 dollars is not a lot of money, if more people ask me to do the same then it will great. So blogging is one way to draw more projects/client. However, bear in mind, put your heart into your blog. I mean, do it with attention to detail not just to try to make money. Do it because you can have fun with it too. My BLOG is sort of diary where I keep everything I have been looking at lately. Try to get on Social News networks like Digg, DZone, Delicious, StumbleUpon, Reddit. Also try to get on Social Networks like Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace and Hi5. You will network with people that share yours interests and they may need your services in the future. Another way to draw more prospects is to try to rank well on the search engines. This falls back on Search Optimization Techniques but being able to be found on search engines is not enough. More and more people are not reading text. What they is to experience and try your services. So for Fast Track Online, you should try to build demo sites and stuff that you have been doing. People will want to go back there to test a feature you have done. Not to read the text. The text is good for search engines to find you. Good Luck, Ravi Gehlot Jenny wrote: Having seen replies as expected regarding on line project sites, I'd be interested in hearing about everyone's most popular/successful way of finding projects. I currently get some work through my web site www.fasttrackonline.co.uk, but not nearly as much as i would like to see. Traffic to my site has also reduced considerably since the economic downturn, so I need to find other routes to landing projects. I'd also very much appreciate any feedback on the web site. Thanks in advance, Jenny ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4155 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: On line project site
Dave, True. I heard about Guru.com as well. I think Guru.com has more long-term projects with better opportunities for pay. But I was heard that it is hard to get work there. Ravi. Dave Phillips wrote: Guru.com was good for me a few years ago. Some clients post projects looking for US only coders and therefore are willing to pay a normal hourly range. I picked up a client that I kept for about 2 years until she stopped doing the business. Dave -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:02 PM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: Re: On line project site I got one project on Rent-a-Coder that was less than encouraging. Maybe it was my lack of experience in managing client expectations at the time or maybe it was what this particular client had dealt with (and gotten away with) in the past but I ended up terminating the project before completion. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4157 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: CF Job Market
Dave, As we all know the economy is not doing so well. It does not matter how much one can say that it is unfair to blame the economy (as I have heard) but there have been many job cuts. Many programmers are out of their jobs because either companies are afraid to expand or just don't have the money to hire more work force. So there are fewer jobs and there will be even more cuts as the next president tries to fix this mess that the current president left (lets not get into politics here). I will give you an example, about 2 to 3 years ago, I used to search for CF jobs on monster.com and I would often get impressed with the amount of available positions that that search used to return. It felt like employers were seeking candidates at all times and everywhere. If you try to do a search now, you will not get many jobs. You try to contact the fewer ones left and they are already interviewing 3 to 5 other candidates for that spot. Here is what I recommend you. Do not get stuck with just one language. Regardless of its popularity, try to learn another skill. For instance, for as much as people complain that PHP is nothing but a mess, it is the one that offers the most jobs. If you know PHP really well chances are that you will find a job somewhere or even an outsourced position (Yes, people also outsource jobs to the U.S.). I am have been trying to learn Ruby and PHP. Why not? Always remember: Don't let others say you can't do just because they can't do it Good Luck, Ravi Gehlot. Hi all, My job will be ending sometime next year due to a merger. I'm a Senior level CF Developer with 10+ years experience. I am wondering what the job market is looking like out there for us senior type CF developers with the economy the way it is here in the US. What I'm concerned about most that I see is more job descriptions asking for mid-level and junior developers, and lower salaries for those as well. I'm wondering if I might have trouble finding a job when the time comes because my salary demands would be too high and/or the employer would rather pay someone a lower salary for less experience, thinking they are getting the same efficiency. Please share whatever your thoughts are on this topic. I think this thread will be useful for anyone visiting it in the next 12-18 months, so let's really try to provide some good 'intel', if you will on the 'near future' CF market. Thanks! Dave Phillips ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4143 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: CTO Opportunity
Just my $0.02 cents. Aaron, The problem begins when you try to find a job while still on a job. If your boss finds out that you are indeed on the look out for a new opportunity then it may sparkle misunderstandings and misconceptions. I had a friend once that did really well on his project and he had gotten bonuses and all the good stuff. The contract was at its final stage and he needed to make more money because his wife was pregnant with twins. It so happens that he sent an e-mail to a mailing list of which his boss was also a subscriber. The e-mail had information about his skills, a link for his resume and that he was looking for a new opportunity to make more money. His resume was open to the public.. His boss called him 5 minutes after he sent that e-mail and cursed him to death saying that it was unethical to say that my friend was not well paid after all the bonuses and everything. It sparkled so much trouble that he got out of the company. Indeed, my friend had done his job well. The project had been 95% delivered and he was looking for a better opportunity. With his wife pregnant, it was a perfect time to look for a new chance to make more money. Instead, because of a misunderstanding with having his public resume open to the public, he ended in a bad situation. His boss later told him that it will be harder to find programmers because people may think that he does not pay well. Whih in part, is true. Just my $0.02 cents, Ravi. On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 14:56 -0500, Aaron Rouse wrote: What is so wrong with having publicly viewable resumes? I come across people's personal websites all the time that have that. I could understand how maybe having them viewable to lord and everyone else and containing perhaps a home address might be a mistake. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know and I'm sorry Adam. I meant that as a private message to you as well. As for permissions, you can set your document to only be readable by certain people. He can put in the email of the person who he wants to see it and block out everyone else. Heh.. Yes, I do see the irony of not cutting and pasting your email when you forgot as well. Again, I'm sorry. Levi Wallach wrote: It's pretty obvious this was a goof on Adam's part by just hitting reply rather than copying in the original sender's email address. This happens to everyone and there's no reason to call attention to it - I'm sure Adam is already embarrassed and perhaps a little concerned that his current employer might see the message. I don't understand what you mean by permissions. It has nothing to do with permissions, just a mistake that all of us make from time to time, to varying degrees of consequence... From: Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:42 PM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: Re: CTO Opportunity Perhaps putting your resume online for all to see isn't the smartest idea. Was this intended as a reply to the person? If so, I'd recommend you check out the permissions setting. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4019 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Junior to Intermediate CF Developer (Greater Toronto Area)
Hi Virginia, I have lived in the United States for about 9 years and I am a green card holder. How hard would it be to sponsor a VISA to work in Canada? Thanks, R.G. On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 14:23 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working with a client in the Greater Toronto Area that is looking for a Junior or Intermediate Coldfusion 8 developer (CF 7 is alright as well) with solid Oracle 9i or 10g experience. Minimum 2 years experience. Other desirables: -javascript -CSS This company designs webpgages and applications for SMBs and first tier healthcare companies. If you like working in a small environment (team size is approximately 10), multi-task, and would like the opportunity to grow your skills, then please contact me. This position is full time and will pay up to 60K, however, depending on how strong one is, they are willing to pay more. They want to hire the selected candidate by the end of next week (Oct 3/08). Contact information: w: 416-225-5599 x 297 c: 416-432-2807 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virginia Davidson Professional Placement Consultant Manpower Professional 4950 Yonge Street, Suite 706 Toronto, Ontario M2N 6K1 T: 416-225-5599 x297 F: 416-225-9096 C: 416-432-2807 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.manpowerprofessional.ca This e-mail and its attachments may contain Manpower Inc. proprietary information, which is PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, or subject to COPYRIGHT belonging to Manpower Inc. This e-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this e-mail is STRICTLY PROHIBITED and may be UNLAWFUL. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout. Thank you. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4026 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: NEGATIVE COMMENTS RE: FLASH ARCHITECT POSITION IN TX
I am not sure what Mr. Vincent is trying to accomplish by sending these kind of e-mails but I can talk for my own experience. I have worked with recruiting companys like Robert Half Technology, Signature Consulting, TekSystems, AppleOne among others and all I have to say to the recruiters is THANK YOU. They went out of their way to help me get a job. Besides they were patient enough to help me get my resume right. They even spoke in my behalf to work a deal and they sure did their job well. Up to this day I have good friends in the recruiting business. People that take me not only as a professional but also as a collegue and partner. If someone had a bad experience with recruiting companys then fine. There is always 2 sides of a coin but do not come on a mailing list saying all kind of nonsense about people that actually tried to help you out when you needed the most. You never know. Thanks, RG. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Andrea Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As most of the professional users of this site know, there are always 2 sides to every story. This site is to be used for professionals looking for work. As many of you have seen, this is not the first negative post from this individual. Slanderous comments posted are definitely considered negative by future employees and candidates seeking new opportunities. This should be taken in account by the individual posting the negative comments that are only half-truths. Aptude has been in business for many years and the individuals that own and operate the company have several years of industry experience. - Original Message - From: Vincent Cannady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Jobs-Talk cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: re:Watchout for this job FLASH ARCHITECT POSITION IN TX That was the whole point Scott, To tell the truth to people who might not take the time to email or even read this message. I am a man of courage and honor. I don't lie or hide behind my woman's skirts. So if a company does not want me because I told the truth about a bad experience with another company who was soliciting my fellow IT Professionals then I do not want to work for them. Since there are no shortage of work and the fact that I usually do not take contracts of this site anyway because of things just like this, I don't have to worry about work. And hey if you dragged your family 600 Miles and 10 hours of driving for a company that did not set up the interview right then maybe you would not care if some other fly by the seat of their pants company decides you are not what they want then that is just fine. I have enough telecommute work that I don't have to apply to any of these contracts unless I know the employer, had a friend who worked for them, or the recruiter is from a company like TekSystems, Matrix, RHT, or Yoh IT . These are companies big enough that mistakes don't cost ME $500 and if they do make them THEY PAY FOR IT not me!!! Thanks for the Input Scott but I knew what I was doing when I posted my horror story. Beside if it is bad enough to post about then it is bad enough to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, So help me God(hand on Bible)! -Original Message- From: cf-jobs-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:00 PM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: ColdFusion Jobs Talk (CF-Jobs-Talk): Digest every 2 hours ColdFusion Jobs Talk (CF-Jobs-Talk) 03-Jul-08 Issue:362 In this issue: Watchout for this job FLASH ARCHITECT POSITION IN TX Watchout for this job FLASH ARCHITECT POSITION IN TX ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3897 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Senior CF Developer - Designer Available Now
Can you please post any future FLEX and ColdFusion jobs also at: http://groups.google.com/group/adogo-jobs . Thanks, RG. On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Stephen Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am seeking a FT telecommute position as ColdFusion Developer. Having 10 years of programming experience, I am capable of entry into any phase of a project, whether it be from conception through QA or from QA through launch, as well as various aspects of work including: migrations, schema development/enhancement, code revision, documentation, graphical design and user-interface framework. I have experience as Lead Designer, Lead Developer and Project Manager. I hold a BFA and have worked with all formats of multimedia. Scripting I have used: ColdFusion, HTML, DHTML, Java, Javascript, SQL, Actionscript 3, ASP, ASP.NET http://asp.net/, C# and probably a few more over the years... I am adept with Adobe Creative Suite products, hand coding, Eclipse, Server set-up, Access, SQL Server, some Oracle. I have created e-commerce solutions, goverment intranet and public sites and marketing websites and online systems. Having telecommuted for the past few years and would prefer to telecommute, travel is fine. Please find resume and contact information at http://www.Andonia.comhttp://www.andonia.com/ Stephen Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3890 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: freelance web developer
Hello, I am interested in your job position but first I would like to know what the compensation is then we could talk further. I am available for 20 hours a week. Can you send me a job description in more details? I have been programming in ColdFusion for almost 3 years now. I feel pretty comfortable working with HTML, CSS, ColdFusion, Fusebox, JavaScript and also XML. Will wait on your response to send you my resume. Ravi. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:49 PM, site mgt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Looking for a U.S. based freelance CF programmer to work offsite for an e-commerce company by telecommuting. Individual must be able to contribute at least 20 hours a week. Developer should have experience working with CF8 thru CF5. Developer must feel comfortable working with legacy code. Knowledge of procedural and OO programming is a plus. Developer should have strong MSSQL skills. Experience with payment gateways such as Google checkout and PayFlow Pro is also a plus. Knowledge of XML and SQL 2005 is helpful as well. Looking for someone who will document their work and be able to work with a team of programmers if necessary. Must understand the concept of developing sustainable applications that can be maintained by other individuals if necessary. If you know how to build applications that scale and perform well under load your services are needed. Development environment need to be CF ECLIPSE and Subversion for version control. Please reply with your credentials ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3770 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: freelance web developer
Hey Phillip, Please accept my apologizes. I made a mistake. Should have e-mailed that person not the list. Ravi. On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Ravi... Few things.. 1) You are responding on the talk list.. Not the Jobs list.. 2) Emails like this should be sent directly to the client. 3) Asking for the rate of pay before giving your resume is... tacky IMHO. [BWW] Ravi Gehlot wrote: Hello, I am interested in your job position but first I would like to know what the compensation is then we could talk further. I am available for 20 hours a week. Can you send me a job description in more details? I have been programming in ColdFusion for almost 3 years now. I feel pretty comfortable working with HTML, CSS, ColdFusion, Fusebox, JavaScript and also XML. Will wait on your response to send you my resume. Ravi. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:49 PM, site mgt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Looking for a U.S. based freelance CF programmer to work offsite for an e-commerce company by telecommuting. Individual must be able to contribute at least 20 hours a week. Developer should have experience working with CF8 thru CF5. Developer must feel comfortable working with legacy code. Knowledge of procedural and OO programming is a plus. Developer should have strong MSSQL skills. Experience with payment gateways such as Google checkout and PayFlow Pro is also a plus. Knowledge of XML and SQL 2005 is helpful as well. Looking for someone who will document their work and be able to work with a team of programmers if necessary. Must understand the concept of developing sustainable applications that can be maintained by other individuals if necessary. If you know how to build applications that scale and perform well under load your services are needed. Development environment need to be CF ECLIPSE and Subversion for version control. Please reply with your credentials ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3772 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
