Re: Moving to DC, need advice

[ram d]

Jason, you can expect $80 - $90 per hour easily if you don't have layers in
between..

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Jason Birch  wrote:

>
> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington,
> DC.
> Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or rent
> a
> house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for my
> dogs.
> What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have single
> family
> homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes? Commuting
> by
> train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary range for
> Senior
> CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>
> - Jason
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/10/10 2:19 PM, Jason Birch wrote:
>
> Well, it appears my thread has officially been hijacked. :)

Sorry about hijacking your thread.  I do wish you well with DC.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

You'd think that this was CF-Community or something. ;)

One other suggestion I did have is go to one of the salary comparison
sites and check out possible cost of living in DC vs the suburbs that
way. You can look at how much more you'd need to make as well as
seeing how much more it would cost living in DC vs., the agony of the
commute.

Believe me, commuting in this region is ugly. You need to take that
into account. Driving into the district is not recommended if you can
avoid it.

regards,
larry

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Jason Birch  wrote:
>
> Well, it appears my thread has officially been hijacked. :)
>
> JB
>
>
>
> 
> From:RobG 
> To:cf-jobs-talk 
> Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 9:18:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Moving to DC
>
>
> On 11/8/10 2:59 PM, Maureen wrote:
>>
>> That is legal in California.  I hate it, but apparently there have
>> been few accidents because of it, and no fatalities.
>
> No offense (seriously), but here's my take on why people hate it.  It's
> a generalization so please try not to take it too personally.  And I can
> relate because years ago before I rode I felt the same way.
>
> You hate it because it requires you to actually pay attention.  You feel
> like you shouldn't have to watch out for anybody but yourself.  You hate
> it because of the VERY FEW dweebs out there (they exist in every group)
> that abuse the privilege and blow through traffic at too high a speed,
> or you've had a mirror broken by one of these guys.
>
> OR, as somebody pointed out yesterday, you hate the idea that somebody
> should get there before you do.  Misery spread equally, that's the
> Liberal Way (tm).  Instead of Power To Those Who Can, we need to put a
> stop those people because it isn't FAIR that they should be able to do
> something we can't.
>
> There was an article written in San Francisco back in 2000 talking about
> lane splitting.  They quoted one guy saying how he hates how people can
> get there sooner, and they shouldn't be allowed to.  They, "should just
> get in line and wait with everybody else."
>
> It's such a crock because bikes are much smaller than cars.  They fit in
> smaller spaces.  It just makes sense to let them use that space.
>
> Consider this... at the grocery store or Walmart.  You have these big,
> wide aisles.  WHAT IF you were only allowed to walk single file down
> these aisles?  Even if somebody stopped to get stuff off the shelf, or
> was standing there staring, looking for the item that didn't exist, you
> COULD NOT go around them.  How dumb is that?  Very similar concept.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Jason Birch]

Well, it appears my thread has officially been hijacked. :)

JB




From:RobG 
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Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 9:18:00 AM
Subject: Re: Moving to DC


On 11/8/10 2:59 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> That is legal in California.  I hate it, but apparently there have
> been few accidents because of it, and no fatalities.

No offense (seriously), but here's my take on why people hate it.  It's 
a generalization so please try not to take it too personally.  And I can 
relate because years ago before I rode I felt the same way.

You hate it because it requires you to actually pay attention.  You feel 
like you shouldn't have to watch out for anybody but yourself.  You hate 
it because of the VERY FEW dweebs out there (they exist in every group) 
that abuse the privilege and blow through traffic at too high a speed, 
or you've had a mirror broken by one of these guys.

OR, as somebody pointed out yesterday, you hate the idea that somebody 
should get there before you do.  Misery spread equally, that's the 
Liberal Way (tm).  Instead of Power To Those Who Can, we need to put a 
stop those people because it isn't FAIR that they should be able to do 
something we can't.

There was an article written in San Francisco back in 2000 talking about 
lane splitting.  They quoted one guy saying how he hates how people can 
get there sooner, and they shouldn't be allowed to.  They, "should just 
get in line and wait with everybody else."

It's such a crock because bikes are much smaller than cars.  They fit in 
smaller spaces.  It just makes sense to let them use that space.

Consider this... at the grocery store or Walmart.  You have these big, 
wide aisles.  WHAT IF you were only allowed to walk single file down 
these aisles?  Even if somebody stopped to get stuff off the shelf, or 
was standing there staring, looking for the item that didn't exist, you 
COULD NOT go around them.  How dumb is that?  Very similar concept.

Rob



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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 2:59 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> That is legal in California.  I hate it, but apparently there have
> been few accidents because of it, and no fatalities.

No offense (seriously), but here's my take on why people hate it.  It's 
a generalization so please try not to take it too personally.  And I can 
relate because years ago before I rode I felt the same way.

You hate it because it requires you to actually pay attention.  You feel 
like you shouldn't have to watch out for anybody but yourself.  You hate 
it because of the VERY FEW dweebs out there (they exist in every group) 
that abuse the privilege and blow through traffic at too high a speed, 
or you've had a mirror broken by one of these guys.

OR, as somebody pointed out yesterday, you hate the idea that somebody 
should get there before you do.  Misery spread equally, that's the 
Liberal Way (tm).  Instead of Power To Those Who Can, we need to put a 
stop those people because it isn't FAIR that they should be able to do 
something we can't.

There was an article written in San Francisco back in 2000 talking about 
lane splitting.  They quoted one guy saying how he hates how people can 
get there sooner, and they shouldn't be allowed to.  They, "should just 
get in line and wait with everybody else."

It's such a crock because bikes are much smaller than cars.  They fit in 
smaller spaces.  It just makes sense to let them use that space.

Consider this... at the grocery store or Walmart.  You have these big, 
wide aisles.  WHAT IF you were only allowed to walk single file down 
these aisles?  Even if somebody stopped to get stuff off the shelf, or 
was standing there staring, looking for the item that didn't exist, you 
COULD NOT go around them.  How dumb is that?  Very similar concept.

Rob

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RE: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

I hear banjos... they're everywhere

-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:04 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: RE: Moving to DC


Don't they call that a Yeehaw! Moment?

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:webmas...@sstwebworks.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:35 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: Re: Moving to DC


I don't 'cause I live here and I know what some of the dumb rednecks
around here will stoop to doing, and think about the consequences
later...

I know it would never pass the Virginia legislature because of the
elitist attitude that abounds there, like I said "If I can't go you
can't either"

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>>
>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>> door fairly quickly...
>
> SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.
>
> I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously
> injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> 





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RE: Moving to DC

[matt]

 
FYI if you are in Oz
We are only allowed to ride Kangaroos on the right side of the curb, as we
drive on the left side of the road, the roos do not get spooked at traffic
coming behind them. I think bike riders have the same laws apply but will
check as roos outnumber bikes over here and everyone prefers the easier
option  :-)

-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:04 AM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: RE: Moving to DC


Don't they call that a Yeehaw! Moment?

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:webmas...@sstwebworks.com]
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:35 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: Re: Moving to DC


I don't 'cause I live here and I know what some of the dumb rednecks
around here will stoop to doing, and think about the consequences
later...

I know it would never pass the Virginia legislature because of the
elitist attitude that abounds there, like I said "If I can't go you
can't either"

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>>
>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>> door fairly quickly...
>
> SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.
>
> I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously
> injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> 





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Re: Moving to DC

[Maureen]

That is legal in California.  I hate it, but apparently there have
been few accidents because of it, and no fatalities.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart
 wrote:
>
> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
> door fairly quickly...

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RE: Moving to DC

[Eric Roberts]

Don't they call that a Yeehaw! Moment?

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:webmas...@sstwebworks.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:35 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: Re: Moving to DC


I don't 'cause I live here and I know what some of the dumb rednecks
around here will stoop to doing, and think about the consequences
later...

I know it would never pass the Virginia legislature because of the
elitist attitude that abounds there, like I said "If I can't go you
can't either"

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>>
>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>> door fairly quickly...
>
> SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.
>
> I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously
> injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> 



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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

That is of course if they allow for any transportation funding at all.
Given the current state government's hostility to this area, and the
power of the Richmond and Tidewater legislators, I really doubt that
this region will get anything more than a trickle of DOT project money
for a while.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:
>
> I don't 'cause I live here and I know what some of the dumb rednecks
> around here will stoop to doing, and think about the consequences
> later...
>
> I know it would never pass the Virginia legislature because of the
> elitist attitude that abounds there, like I said "If I can't go you
> can't either"
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, RobG  wrote:
>>
>> On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>>> door fairly quickly...
>>
>> SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.
>>
>> I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously
>> injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

You've never seen Beltway traffic..  there are very long stretches of
not moving, or moving at 5 MPH... same holds true for 95 South during
the summer..

I have ridden and I wouldn't dare try splitting in DC traffic your're
too busy making sure that the cars around you are actually paying
attention to what they're doing, much less you.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:32 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 12:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>>
>> unfortunately I don't think that would fly on the East Coast...
>> There's too much "If I can't go he can't either" hence my comment
>> about a rider being introduced to the inside of a door.
>>
>> I'll caveat this by saying I've recently moved out of an area with the
>> worst drivers in the US (North Carolina), and I could just see some
>> poor guy on his bike getting upended by Joe Redneck "accidently"
>> opening his driver's side door in traffic.
>
> Again, properly publicized, and making it known that anything like that
> is going to be treated as an assault charge, I don't see it happening.
>
> Plus, how many people are going to try to open their door while MOVING?
> AND, how many people do you know who are constantly staring in their
> side mirror just waiting for a motorcycle to come along?  More than
> likely we'll be past them before they have a chance to do anything.
>
> Besides, when splitting in California, we automatically watch a car's
> front tires (to see if it starts to turn), plus the driver's side mirror
> to see what they're looking at/doing/etc.  We HAVE to be able to foresee
> what might happen in order to react.
>
> And it's all worth it because if you've never ridden, you won't
> understand just how much fun it is, even at completely legal speeds.
>
> Rob
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

You mean to Vienna..

Omniride is OK but we've timed it and taking OmniRide to Vienna, then
the Orange Line to MetroCenter, then the Red Line to Bethesda takes
about 2 hours. The VRE is about the same maybe a bit shorter. Driving
averages about an hour and a quarter.

OmniRide works pretty good now - it has free wireless in several of
their buses. But the bus schedule never worked out very well for us,
and that 2 hour slog is a killer.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:
>
> Larry.. why doesn't she take the Omni-Ride bus to the
> Franconia/Springfield Metro?
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Larry C. Lyons  wrote:
>>
>> Knowing what drivers are like on I-66 I wouldn't be surprised.
>> Actually in this area its almost a guarantee of a near (if not) fatal
>> accident. Those drivers are dangerous.
>>
>> I drive a MIni and in this area I have to be very alert to all those
>> over-sized SUVs whose drivers are usually talking on their cell
>> phones, eating breakfast, putting on makeup etc. A few weeks ago I had
>> to replace a rim and tire after being forced off the pavement because
>> of an SUV driver not paying attention.
>> Another example I remember from last year, I was giving my wife a ride
>> to work and saw some nit actually reading the paper and drinking
>> coffee while traffic was going about 25mph or so.
>>
>> Motorcycles are even more at a risk from those geniuses in this area.
>>
>> While this can be a nice area to live and work, the DC/MD/NoVA area
>> has about the most congested traffic in the country, just behind the
>> LA region. So if you are moving into this area you have to take that
>> into account. For instance my wife works in Bethesda, MD while we live
>> on the western edge of Northern Virginia. Its about 35 to 40 miles one
>> way. During rush hour if you're lucky it takes about an hour and a
>> quarter to an hour and a half. If you're not, the trip can take over 2
>> hours easily.
>>
>> regards,
>> larry
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Scott Stewart  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>>> door fairly quickly...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons  
>>> wrote:

 I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?

 On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>>
>> HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
>> I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.
>
> Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves
> a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering
> to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver.
> AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's
> SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get 
> rear-ended.
>
> I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the
> time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9
> miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.
>
> Rob
>
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

I don't 'cause I live here and I know what some of the dumb rednecks
around here will stoop to doing, and think about the consequences
later...

I know it would never pass the Virginia legislature because of the
elitist attitude that abounds there, like I said "If I can't go you
can't either"

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>>
>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>> door fairly quickly...
>
> SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.
>
> I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously
> injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 12:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>
> unfortunately I don't think that would fly on the East Coast...
> There's too much "If I can't go he can't either" hence my comment
> about a rider being introduced to the inside of a door.
>
> I'll caveat this by saying I've recently moved out of an area with the
> worst drivers in the US (North Carolina), and I could just see some
> poor guy on his bike getting upended by Joe Redneck "accidently"
> opening his driver's side door in traffic.

Again, properly publicized, and making it known that anything like that 
is going to be treated as an assault charge, I don't see it happening.

Plus, how many people are going to try to open their door while MOVING? 
AND, how many people do you know who are constantly staring in their 
side mirror just waiting for a motorcycle to come along?  More than 
likely we'll be past them before they have a chance to do anything.

Besides, when splitting in California, we automatically watch a car's 
front tires (to see if it starts to turn), plus the driver's side mirror 
to see what they're looking at/doing/etc.  We HAVE to be able to foresee 
what might happen in order to react.

And it's all worth it because if you've never ridden, you won't 
understand just how much fun it is, even at completely legal speeds.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[Paul Day]

There would also be a rather large contingency of riders that will be more
than happy to remove the door opener's head from their torso. That should be
deterrent enough...


On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, RobG  wrote:

>
> On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
> >
> > I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
> > the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
> > door fairly quickly...
>
> SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.
>
> I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously
> injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 12:07 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Knowing what drivers are like on I-66 I wouldn't be surprised.

No offense but everybody says this about just about everywhere.  We all 
think we live with the worst drivers. :)

> I drive a MIni and in this area I have to be very alert to all those
> over-sized SUVs whose drivers are usually talking on their cell
> phones, eating breakfast, putting on makeup etc. A few weeks ago I had
> to replace a rim and tire after being forced off the pavement because
> of an SUV driver not paying attention.

This is why (whether in a car or on a bike), I stay away from clumps of 
traffic.  It's just inviting disaster, but even moreso on a bike. 
People will notice you if you give them a reason to notice you.  Staying 
near them in traffic at the same speed is akin to having a cloaking 
device, no matter how many lights you might have on.

Also no offense, but if you think you're alert in your car, try riding a 
motorcycle.  Stuff that would just piss you off would kill us, so we 
learn very quickly to predict what other cars are going to do before 
they do it, and avoid it.

> While this can be a nice area to live and work, the DC/MD/NoVA area
> has about the most congested traffic in the country, just behind the
> LA region.

Yeah I think LA is probably the worst in congestion, which is why lane 
splitting works so well.

I think the concept can be successfully introduced to any area.  It can 
be easily billed as "pro-green" because motorcycles get easily double 
the gas mileage of a car (3x that of an SUV).  They're smaller, easier 
to park, as of the last few years, they have the same emissions controls 
as cars so they're clean-burning too.

But with a proper "introduction" to the public... i.e. pass the law 
legalizing it, but don't "activate" it for a month or so, and then let 
the local TV news and newspapers advertise it.  Make it known that the 
cops aren't going to tolerate cars messing with bikes, but at the same 
time, they expect riders to be equally courteous of cars.

I'm actively working with a local state rep here in Oregon to get lane 
splitting legalized in 2011.  If there's any way to make it happen, I'm 
going to make it happen.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>
> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
> door fairly quickly...

SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.

I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously 
injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.

Rob



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Re: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

Larry.. why doesn't she take the Omni-Ride bus to the
Franconia/Springfield Metro?

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Larry C. Lyons  wrote:
>
> Knowing what drivers are like on I-66 I wouldn't be surprised.
> Actually in this area its almost a guarantee of a near (if not) fatal
> accident. Those drivers are dangerous.
>
> I drive a MIni and in this area I have to be very alert to all those
> over-sized SUVs whose drivers are usually talking on their cell
> phones, eating breakfast, putting on makeup etc. A few weeks ago I had
> to replace a rim and tire after being forced off the pavement because
> of an SUV driver not paying attention.
> Another example I remember from last year, I was giving my wife a ride
> to work and saw some nit actually reading the paper and drinking
> coffee while traffic was going about 25mph or so.
>
> Motorcycles are even more at a risk from those geniuses in this area.
>
> While this can be a nice area to live and work, the DC/MD/NoVA area
> has about the most congested traffic in the country, just behind the
> LA region. So if you are moving into this area you have to take that
> into account. For instance my wife works in Bethesda, MD while we live
> on the western edge of Northern Virginia. Its about 35 to 40 miles one
> way. During rush hour if you're lucky it takes about an hour and a
> quarter to an hour and a half. If you're not, the trip can take over 2
> hours easily.
>
> regards,
> larry
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Scott Stewart  
> wrote:
>>
>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>> door fairly quickly...
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons  wrote:
>>>
>>> I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, RobG  wrote:

 On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
> I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.

 Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves
 a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering
 to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver.
 AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's
 SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get rear-ended.

 I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the
 time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9
 miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.

 Rob


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

unfortunately I don't think that would fly on the East Coast...
There's too much "If I can't go he can't either" hence my comment
about a rider being introduced to the inside of a door.

I'll caveat this by saying I've recently moved out of an area with the
worst drivers in the US (North Carolina), and I could just see some
poor guy on his bike getting upended by Joe Redneck "accidently"
opening his driver's side door in traffic.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:04 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 11:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>>
>> I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?
>
> www.laneshare.org
>
> Being able to ride between the lanes of cars.  It's common practice in
> California and has been for decades.
>
> The rule of thumb is this... at speeds below 35 mph (such as on a
> freeway), in heavy traffic, you can move over and ride between the cars.
>  People are aware of this and usually will move over for you.  In rare
> cases, they don't, so you drop back in behind them until you can get
> around them.  You should never go more than 10-15 mph over the flow of
> traffic, and naturally never above the posted speed limit.  This
> generally only happens between the #1 and #2 lanes (the far left lane
> and the one next to it), but is occasionally done in the other lanes,
> but isn't recommended.
>
> In town, the same rule applies, except that at traffic lights, you can
> ride right up to the front of the light in between cars, where you are
> always the first out of the light, out in front of all that traffic.
>
> The end result of all this is that motorcycles don't exist in traffic
> with relation to cars, and vice versa.  We can go between cars, and they
> don't really have to deal with us being "in the way" because we're
> between them instead of in front of them when traffic is slow-moving.
>
> Describing this to non-riders usually gets a typically bone-headed
> response of, "duh, what happens if somebody opens their door?"  Well,
> it'll hurt.  BUT, fact is, it doesn't happen.  People are very
> respectful of bikes and usually give them space.  In fact, the only cars
> I've ever encountered that don't are Priuses, since they tend to think
> they own the road.  But as of 1/1/11, hybrids are being banished from
> the carpool lane in California, much to their chagrin.
>
> Rob
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

Knowing what drivers are like on I-66 I wouldn't be surprised.
Actually in this area its almost a guarantee of a near (if not) fatal
accident. Those drivers are dangerous.

I drive a MIni and in this area I have to be very alert to all those
over-sized SUVs whose drivers are usually talking on their cell
phones, eating breakfast, putting on makeup etc. A few weeks ago I had
to replace a rim and tire after being forced off the pavement because
of an SUV driver not paying attention.
Another example I remember from last year, I was giving my wife a ride
to work and saw some nit actually reading the paper and drinking
coffee while traffic was going about 25mph or so.

Motorcycles are even more at a risk from those geniuses in this area.

While this can be a nice area to live and work, the DC/MD/NoVA area
has about the most congested traffic in the country, just behind the
LA region. So if you are moving into this area you have to take that
into account. For instance my wife works in Bethesda, MD while we live
on the western edge of Northern Virginia. Its about 35 to 40 miles one
way. During rush hour if you're lucky it takes about an hour and a
quarter to an hour and a half. If you're not, the trip can take over 2
hours easily.

regards,
larry

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:
>
> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
> door fairly quickly...
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons  wrote:
>>
>> I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, RobG  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:

 HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
 I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.
>>>
>>> Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves
>>> a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering
>>> to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver.
>>> AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's
>>> SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get rear-ended.
>>>
>>> I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the
>>> time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9
>>> miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 11:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?

www.laneshare.org

Being able to ride between the lanes of cars.  It's common practice in 
California and has been for decades.

The rule of thumb is this... at speeds below 35 mph (such as on a 
freeway), in heavy traffic, you can move over and ride between the cars. 
  People are aware of this and usually will move over for you.  In rare 
cases, they don't, so you drop back in behind them until you can get 
around them.  You should never go more than 10-15 mph over the flow of 
traffic, and naturally never above the posted speed limit.  This 
generally only happens between the #1 and #2 lanes (the far left lane 
and the one next to it), but is occasionally done in the other lanes, 
but isn't recommended.

In town, the same rule applies, except that at traffic lights, you can 
ride right up to the front of the light in between cars, where you are 
always the first out of the light, out in front of all that traffic.

The end result of all this is that motorcycles don't exist in traffic 
with relation to cars, and vice versa.  We can go between cars, and they 
don't really have to deal with us being "in the way" because we're 
between them instead of in front of them when traffic is slow-moving.

Describing this to non-riders usually gets a typically bone-headed 
response of, "duh, what happens if somebody opens their door?"  Well, 
it'll hurt.  BUT, fact is, it doesn't happen.  People are very 
respectful of bikes and usually give them space.  In fact, the only cars 
I've ever encountered that don't are Priuses, since they tend to think 
they own the road.  But as of 1/1/11, hybrids are being banished from 
the carpool lane in California, much to their chagrin.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
door fairly quickly...

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons  wrote:
>
> I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, RobG  wrote:
>>
>> On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>>>
>>> HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
>>> I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.
>>
>> Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves
>> a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering
>> to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver.
>> AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's
>> SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get rear-ended.
>>
>> I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the
>> time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9
>> miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>>
>> HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
>> I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.
>
> Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves
> a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering
> to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver.
> AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's
> SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get rear-ended.
>
> I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the
> time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9
> miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.
>
> Rob
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
> I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.

Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves 
a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering 
to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver. 
AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's 
SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get rear-ended.

I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the 
time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9 
miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:04 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 8:35 AM, Jacob wrote:
>>
>> Metro is the only way to get around in DC. Forget about driving, let alone
>> finding a place to park...
>
> If they would legalize lane splitting in DC/Virginia and surrounding
> areas, it would open up a whole new way to commute (motorcycle).  It
> works really, REALLY well in California.  It's the whole reason I
> started riding.
>
> Rob
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 8:35 AM, Jacob wrote:
>
> Metro is the only way to get around in DC. Forget about driving, let alone
> finding a place to park...

If they would legalize lane splitting in DC/Virginia and surrounding 
areas, it would open up a whole new way to commute (motorcycle).  It 
works really, REALLY well in California.  It's the whole reason I 
started riding.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[sonicDivx]

Jason if you are still looking for a job, just got pinged by some
recruiters so can pass along if you want

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Levi Wallach  wrote:
>
> That's a pretty blanket statement.  I've been commuting by car for 15 
> years.  All until the last 3 months were under 30 minutes each way.
>
>
>
> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
> On Nov 8, 2010 11:39 AM, Jacob <ja...@excaliburfilms.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Metro is the only way to get around in DC. Forget about driving, let alone
>
> finding a place to park...
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
>
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:59 PM
>
> To: cf-jobs-talk
>
> Subject: Re: Moving to DC
>
>
>
>
>
> My sister had a nice place in Greenbelt, Maryland.  Clean, low crime, not
>
> too expensive, with an easy commute to the city on the Metro.
>
> Also, my cousin recently bought a nice place in Woodbridge, VA, with the
>
> same attributes.
>
>
>
> Good luck with the new job.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jason Birchman <birchma...@yahoo.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington,
>
> DC. Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or
>
> rent a house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for
>
> my dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have
>
> single family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in
>
> taxes? Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical
>
> salary range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>
> >
>
> > - Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: Moving to DC

[Levi Wallach]

That's a pretty blanket statement.  I've been commuting by car for 15 
years.  All until the last 3 months were under 30 minutes each way.



-- Sent from my Palm Pre
On Nov 8, 2010 11:39 AM, Jacob <ja...@excaliburfilms.com> wrote: 



Metro is the only way to get around in DC. Forget about driving, let alone

finding a place to park...



-Original Message-

From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 

Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:59 PM

To: cf-jobs-talk

Subject: Re: Moving to DC





My sister had a nice place in Greenbelt, Maryland.  Clean, low crime, not

too expensive, with an easy commute to the city on the Metro.

Also, my cousin recently bought a nice place in Woodbridge, VA, with the

same attributes.



Good luck with the new job.



On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jason Birchman <birchma...@yahoo.com>

wrote:

>

> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington,

DC. Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or

rent a house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for

my dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have

single family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in

taxes? Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical

salary range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!

>

> - Jason









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RE: Moving to DC

[Jacob]

Metro is the only way to get around in DC. Forget about driving, let alone
finding a place to park...

-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:59 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: Re: Moving to DC


My sister had a nice place in Greenbelt, Maryland.  Clean, low crime, not
too expensive, with an easy commute to the city on the Metro.
Also, my cousin recently bought a nice place in Woodbridge, VA, with the
same attributes.

Good luck with the new job.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jason Birchman 
wrote:
>
> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington,
DC. Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or
rent a house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for
my dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have
single family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in
taxes? Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical
salary range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>
> - Jason



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Re: Moving to DC

[Jason Birch]

Thanks, I haven't seen many answers about salary. Although my salary coming in 
does play a role, it's not exactly like comparing apples to apples since the 
cost of living is much higher in DC than where I live. According to some 
indices, it's upward of 20% different. I am on the higher end of your scale, so 
hopefully that will translate to a bit higher than that in the DC market. But I 
guess we will see.

JB




From:Scott Stewart 
To:cf-jobs-talk 
Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 7:32:10 AM
Subject: RE: Moving to DC


Jason, 

Here's my take.. it's very dependant on the following: 
Your salary coming in, what your looking for house-wise, and what you
consider a long commute.

There are commuter options even in the way outer suburbs... 
I'm currently living about 13 miles past Leesburg (Loudoun County), and I
take a commuter bus in. It's about two hours but... I don't have to drive.

The DC Metro system is being extended out toward Dulles Airport into
Sterling in Loudoun County..

There are rail options from Fredericksburg, Manassas, Baltimore, and as far
west as Harper's Ferry West Virginia. The further out you are the lower
housing prices are, for the most part.

Most of the 'burbs are pretty safe...

There's a fairly wide range salary wise, but I wouldn't accept less than
$80k. I've seen positions offer salaries as high as 100K.

Northern Virginia has an interesting tax situation, we are the cash cow for
Virginia, however we get very little back in services, consequently the NoVa
counties have to cover their own infrastructure costs, so property taxes
across NoVa are fairly high.

As an example, the Virginia Department of Transportation, handed Loudoun
County a check for $1000 as VDOT's share of covering state road costs..
saying that it all they could afford 

-Original Message-
From: Jason Birchman [mailto:birchma...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:25 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: Moving to DC


I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington, DC.
Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or rent a
house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for my
dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have single
family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes?
Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary
range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!

- Jason 





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Re: Moving to DC

[Jason Birch]

Simon:

Perfect. That's exactly what I am looking for. I know very little about DC 
neighborhoods, so this really helps. I need a yard because I am bringing 3 dogs 
with me - and I prefer they not do their business in the house. :) And I have 
done the multi-unit living with 1 dog - which was a nightmare. 

I am looking to buy but not cool to the idea of renting, but this really gives 
me an idea of where to begin my search.

JB 




From:Simon Horwith 
To:cf-jobs-talk 
Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 10:20:36 PM
Subject: Re:  Moving to DC


So if I understand: you want to commute into downtown via Metro, plan to 
buy (otherwise you wouldn't care about property taxes), and want a place 
with a yard and low crime. I'm not sure what you consider a good 
price, but my immediate gut is to say you should look at neighborhoods 
toward the VA end of the Orange line. Basically, from VA Square to 
Fairfax stations you should be able to find places that have a yard and 
aren't priced outrageously (which is relative, mind you).  Greenbelt 
isn't a terrible suggestion, though I wouldn't live there, myself (of 
course, I lived downtown, so take what I say about the suburbs with a 
grain of salt).  There are some OK neighborhoods towards the VA end of 
the blue line (near Franconia/Springfield) but I personally wouldn't 
bother with it unless you're really into traffic and malls (and a lot of 
other nonsense, including high odds of soul-less neighbors).
Shady Grove, and suburbs beyond (Damascus, all the way out to Fredrick) 
is a really good option for you if you want to rent (prices, unless you 
go WAY out, aren't going to be low if you're looking for a yard, etc nd 
plan to buy) and don't mind driving just a little to get to the metro 
station.

To be honest, that's about all I can recommend that's out in the 
suburbs.  If I were looking for what you describe personally, I'd maybe 
look towards the end of the orange line or red line like I said, but 
would most likely look in town at neighborhoods that E-W are from 16th 
St NW to 10th St NE and N-S are from Florida Ave to Capital.  If you 
aren't looking to spend too much really and you really want that yard, 
I'd say your best decent bet in town is going to be somewhere between 
the Easternmost 10 blocks of NW and the Western most 10 blocks of NE

My $0.02.

~Simon

Simon Horwith
CTO, Nylon Technology
http://www.nylontechnology.com
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On 11/4/2010 3:24 PM, Jason Birchman wrote:
> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington, DC. 
>Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or rent a 
>house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for my dogs. 
>What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have single family 
>homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes? Commuting by 
>train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary range for 
>Senior 
>CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>
> - Jason
>
> 



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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

In my previous job, I commuted from Manassas, Virginia to L'Enfant
Plaza in DC. Using a combination of driving to the Vienna Orange Line
metro stop, and the DC metro, the commute would take about 2 hours one
way. Commuting to L'Enfant Plaza from Manassas using the Virginia Rail
Express took about an hour.

That said, if you're still looking for a job in this area, don't just
look at DC, Alexandria and Arlington. There aare quite a few CF
related positions in Reston, Herndon and Fairfax county. The downside
for most of those place sis that public transportation is very minimal
- you'll most likely have to drive.

hth,
larry

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:40 AM, sonicDivx  wrote:
>
> Jason,
>
> I commuted from up in White Marsh , Md via MARC train for 3 years and
> know lots of people who do. Its not the best but as Scott says further
> out gives you a lot more options. just need to weigh pro cons.
>
> So in my case it was 15 min. to train station  and then 1 -1.5 to DC
> so was getting up anywhere from 4-5ish depending on train. Plus no
> driving into DC, downside train delays and limited train times based
> on my stop (closer to dc better)
>
> So look at the MARC train lines to find places.
>
> Also Scott is right about salary. True Senior developers should not
> have trouble in DC getting $100k. Baltimore may be less, though has
> been improving . More CF jobs in DC than Baltimore.
>
> If you are still looking for job , make sure resume is on DICE. A
> large portion of the recruiters use that (I get anywhere from 1-3
> direct requests a week).
>
> Good luck.
> Kevin
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Scott Stewart  
> wrote:
>>
>> Jason,
>>
>> Here's my take.. it's very dependant on the following:
>> Your salary coming in, what your looking for house-wise, and what you
>> consider a long commute.
>>
>> There are commuter options even in the way outer suburbs...
>> I'm currently living about 13 miles past Leesburg (Loudoun County), and I
>> take a commuter bus in. It's about two hours but... I don't have to drive.
>>
>> The DC Metro system is being extended out toward Dulles Airport into
>> Sterling in Loudoun County..
>>
>> There are rail options from Fredericksburg, Manassas, Baltimore, and as far
>> west as Harper's Ferry West Virginia. The further out you are the lower
>> housing prices are, for the most part.
>>
>> Most of the 'burbs are pretty safe...
>>
>> There's a fairly wide range salary wise, but I wouldn't accept less than
>> $80k. I've seen positions offer salaries as high as 100K.
>>
>> Northern Virginia has an interesting tax situation, we are the cash cow for
>> Virginia, however we get very little back in services, consequently the NoVa
>> counties have to cover their own infrastructure costs, so property taxes
>> across NoVa are fairly high.
>>
>> As an example, the Virginia Department of Transportation, handed Loudoun
>> County a check for $1000 as VDOT's share of covering state road costs..
>> saying that it all they could afford
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jason Birchman [mailto:birchma...@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:25 PM
>> To: cf-jobs-talk
>> Subject: Moving to DC
>>
>>
>> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington, DC.
>> Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or rent a
>> house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for my
>> dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have single
>> family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes?
>> Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary
>> range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>>
>> - Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[sonicDivx]

Jason,

I commuted from up in White Marsh , Md via MARC train for 3 years and
know lots of people who do. Its not the best but as Scott says further
out gives you a lot more options. just need to weigh pro cons.

So in my case it was 15 min. to train station  and then 1 -1.5 to DC
so was getting up anywhere from 4-5ish depending on train. Plus no
driving into DC, downside train delays and limited train times based
on my stop (closer to dc better)

So look at the MARC train lines to find places.

Also Scott is right about salary. True Senior developers should not
have trouble in DC getting $100k. Baltimore may be less, though has
been improving . More CF jobs in DC than Baltimore.

If you are still looking for job , make sure resume is on DICE. A
large portion of the recruiters use that (I get anywhere from 1-3
direct requests a week).

Good luck.
Kevin


On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Scott Stewart  wrote:
>
> Jason,
>
> Here's my take.. it's very dependant on the following:
> Your salary coming in, what your looking for house-wise, and what you
> consider a long commute.
>
> There are commuter options even in the way outer suburbs...
> I'm currently living about 13 miles past Leesburg (Loudoun County), and I
> take a commuter bus in. It's about two hours but... I don't have to drive.
>
> The DC Metro system is being extended out toward Dulles Airport into
> Sterling in Loudoun County..
>
> There are rail options from Fredericksburg, Manassas, Baltimore, and as far
> west as Harper's Ferry West Virginia. The further out you are the lower
> housing prices are, for the most part.
>
> Most of the 'burbs are pretty safe...
>
> There's a fairly wide range salary wise, but I wouldn't accept less than
> $80k. I've seen positions offer salaries as high as 100K.
>
> Northern Virginia has an interesting tax situation, we are the cash cow for
> Virginia, however we get very little back in services, consequently the NoVa
> counties have to cover their own infrastructure costs, so property taxes
> across NoVa are fairly high.
>
> As an example, the Virginia Department of Transportation, handed Loudoun
> County a check for $1000 as VDOT's share of covering state road costs..
> saying that it all they could afford
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Birchman [mailto:birchma...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:25 PM
> To: cf-jobs-talk
> Subject: Moving to DC
>
>
> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington, DC.
> Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or rent a
> house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for my
> dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have single
> family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes?
> Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary
> range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>
> - Jason
>
>
>
> 

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RE: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

Jason, 

Here's my take.. it's very dependant on the following: 
Your salary coming in, what your looking for house-wise, and what you
consider a long commute.

There are commuter options even in the way outer suburbs... 
I'm currently living about 13 miles past Leesburg (Loudoun County), and I
take a commuter bus in. It's about two hours but... I don't have to drive.

The DC Metro system is being extended out toward Dulles Airport into
Sterling in Loudoun County..

There are rail options from Fredericksburg, Manassas, Baltimore, and as far
west as Harper's Ferry West Virginia. The further out you are the lower
housing prices are, for the most part.

Most of the 'burbs are pretty safe...

There's a fairly wide range salary wise, but I wouldn't accept less than
$80k. I've seen positions offer salaries as high as 100K.

Northern Virginia has an interesting tax situation, we are the cash cow for
Virginia, however we get very little back in services, consequently the NoVa
counties have to cover their own infrastructure costs, so property taxes
across NoVa are fairly high.

As an example, the Virginia Department of Transportation, handed Loudoun
County a check for $1000 as VDOT's share of covering state road costs..
saying that it all they could afford 

-Original Message-
From: Jason Birchman [mailto:birchma...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:25 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: Moving to DC


I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington, DC.
Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or rent a
house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for my
dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have single
family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes?
Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary
range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!

- Jason 



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Re: Moving to DC

[Simon Horwith]

So if I understand: you want to commute into downtown via Metro, plan to 
buy (otherwise you wouldn't care about property taxes), and want a place 
with a yard and low crime. I'm not sure what you consider a good 
price, but my immediate gut is to say you should look at neighborhoods 
toward the VA end of the Orange line. Basically, from VA Square to 
Fairfax stations you should be able to find places that have a yard and 
aren't priced outrageously (which is relative, mind you).  Greenbelt 
isn't a terrible suggestion, though I wouldn't live there, myself (of 
course, I lived downtown, so take what I say about the suburbs with a 
grain of salt).  There are some OK neighborhoods towards the VA end of 
the blue line (near Franconia/Springfield) but I personally wouldn't 
bother with it unless you're really into traffic and malls (and a lot of 
other nonsense, including high odds of soul-less neighbors).
Shady Grove, and suburbs beyond (Damascus, all the way out to Fredrick) 
is a really good option for you if you want to rent (prices, unless you 
go WAY out, aren't going to be low if you're looking for a yard, etc nd 
plan to buy) and don't mind driving just a little to get to the metro 
station.

To be honest, that's about all I can recommend that's out in the 
suburbs.  If I were looking for what you describe personally, I'd maybe 
look towards the end of the orange line or red line like I said, but 
would most likely look in town at neighborhoods that E-W are from 16th 
St NW to 10th St NE and N-S are from Florida Ave to Capital.  If you 
aren't looking to spend too much really and you really want that yard, 
I'd say your best decent bet in town is going to be somewhere between 
the Easternmost 10 blocks of NW and the Western most 10 blocks of NE

My $0.02.

~Simon

Simon Horwith
CTO, Nylon Technology
http://www.nylontechnology.com
blog - http://www.horwith.com



On 11/4/2010 3:24 PM, Jason Birchman wrote:
> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington, DC. 
> Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or rent a 
> house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for my 
> dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have single 
> family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes? 
> Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary 
> range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>
> - Jason
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Levi Wallach]

Hi Jason,

As people have mentioned, there are many areas in and around Washington DC.
 Like many urban metro areas, there are distinct characters to different
neighborhoods and it would be really hard to give you a comprehensive list
of those here.  I'll recommend a site I've found to be pretty useful in that
it's geared towards discussions about particular neighborhoods.  Lots of
discussions already enough to make your head spin!

http://www.city-data.com/forum/washington-dc-suburbs-maryland/ for Maryland
suburbs

http://www.city-data.com/forum/northern-virginia/ for Virginia Suburbs

http://www.city-data.com/forum/washington-dc/ for DC propper

Other than that, you might try looking up the Washingtonian Magazine to see
if they have some articles archived or you might even be able to buy a past
issue that details one of their "best neighborhoods" pieces that they do
every years.

As folks have mentioned, DC itself will be the priciest, at least in the
more safe parts.  Generally you want to look in the "Northwest" section of
the city - all addresses will have "NW."  You could certainly find things in
parts of NE that are livable, but they probably will have somewhat higher
crime figures.  DC is great if you don't want to deal with a lot of driving,
but so is Arlington and Alexandria which are both on the Metro and parts of
both are pretty walkable.  Other areas are on the Metro as well, but may not
be as walkable except if you live in a fairly small area near their
downtowns.

If walking isn't a concern, than you have a lot to pick from, except that I
would urge you to not make a final decision until you have a good idea where
you and your spouse will be working.  As you may or may not have heard,
traffic in the area can be pretty horrible and commutes of well over an hour
each way (by car) are common.  So optimally you want to do as much planning
as possible when it comes to finding something near where you work.  While
there are lots of jobs in DC itself, there are also a ton in the suburbs due
to many gov't contracting facilities being pushed out for lack of space, or
just companies that have located further out of town so as not to
pay exorbitant rent.

As far as salaries, I couldn't tell you offhand since it's been many years
since I've done Cold Fusion, but I'm guessing you could probably get
anywhere from $60K to $100K++ depending on your experience level, degrees,
etc.

There are lots of beautiful neighborhoods but along with the higher
salaries, the prices of homes are a lot higher hear than in many areas of
the country.  Generally it's going to be hard to find a decent single family
home for much under $300K unless you go pretty far out (ie 30+ miles from DC
or are in a less desirable neighborhood in the city (or one of the closer
burbs).

Hope this helps!

@LeviWallach 


On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Jason Birchman  wrote:

>
> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington,
> DC. Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or
> rent a house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for
> my dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have
> single family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in
> taxes? Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical
> salary range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>
> - Jason
>
> 

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Moving to DC, need advice

[Jason Birch]

I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington, DC. 
Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or rent a 
house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for my dogs. 
What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have single family 
homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes? Commuting by 
train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary range for 
Senior 
CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!

- Jason


  

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Re: Moving to DC

[Michael Perlstein]

Do you have a job secured yet Jason?




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703-869-6086On Nov 4, 2010 6:51 PM, Jason Birchman  
wrote: 



I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington, DC. 
Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or rent a 
house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for my dogs. 
What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have single family 
homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes? Commuting by 
train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary range for 
Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!



- Jason 





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Re: Moving to DC

[Jeffrey Epstein]

> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the 
> Washington, DC. Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would 
> like to buy or rent a house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have 
> a fenced in yard for my dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most 
> affordable in DC that have single family homes (not 
> townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes? Commuting by 
> train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary range 
> for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
> 
> - Jason 

Your best bets will be on the suburban fringes, especially if you want to 
commute by Metrorail (recomended). Try Alexandria, VA to the south, or Laurel 
or Greenbelt, MD to the north. Montgomery County can be expensive, as can 
Fairfax County in VA. Good Luck

Jeff


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RE: Moving to DC

[Blake Helppie]

DC is the ONE housing marking in the US that was not materially impacted
by the housing downturn.  Houses in Georgetown, the swank Northwestern
part of the District near Georgetown University, have actually increased
in value somewhat.  You will probably find the most affordable, good
housing in one of the Virginia or Maryland suburbs of DC, of which there
are many.



-Original Message-
From: Jason Birchman [mailto:birchma...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:25 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: Moving to DC


I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington,
DC. Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy
or rent a house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in
yard for my dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC
that have single family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is
lower in taxes? Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what
is a typical salary range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area?
Thanks!

- Jason 



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Re: Moving to DC

[Maureen]

My sister had a nice place in Greenbelt, Maryland.  Clean, low crime,
not too expensive, with an easy commute to the city on the Metro.
Also, my cousin recently bought a nice place in Woodbridge, VA, with
the same attributes.

Good luck with the new job.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jason Birchman  wrote:
>
> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington, DC. 
> Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or rent a 
> house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for my 
> dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have single 
> family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in taxes? 
> Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical salary 
> range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>
> - Jason

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