Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-29 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Reube Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am interested in your post, but there is no contact information supplied.  
> Could
> you please post your contact information?

Again?  Really?
Hitting reply defaults to the sender's contact email.  What am I missing?
Really?  I mean... Really?

-Cameron

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RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-29 Thread Dave Phillips
Cameron,

Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there, if you
'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the list,
not the original sender.

Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to post
your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:10 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Reube Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I am interested in your post, but there is no contact information
supplied.  Could
> you please post your contact information?

Again?  Really?
Hitting reply defaults to the sender's contact email.  What am I missing?
Really?  I mean... Really?

-Cameron



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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-29 Thread Cameron Childress
Ahhh... I see.  Sounds like MD should/could unmask emails for the
CF-Jobs list...

-Cameron

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Dave Phillips
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cameron,
>
> Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there, if you
> 'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the list,
> not the original sender.
>
> Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to post
> your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond.

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-29 Thread Maureen
In this case, even sending resumes to the email of sender is eliciting
no response, so the request for contact info was valid.

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ahhh... I see.  Sounds like MD should/could unmask emails for the
> CF-Jobs list...
>
> -Cameron
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Dave Phillips
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Cameron,
>>
>> Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there, if you
>> 'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the list,
>> not the original sender.
>>
>> Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to post
>> your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond.

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-29 Thread Vicky
Ditto that.

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In this case, even sending resumes to the email of sender is eliciting
> no response, so the request for contact info was valid.
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Ahhh... I see.  Sounds like MD should/could unmask emails for the
> > CF-Jobs list...
> >
> > -Cameron
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Dave Phillips
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Cameron,
> >>
> >> Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there, if
> you
> >> 'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the
> list,
> >> not the original sender.
> >>
> >> Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to post
> >> your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond.
>
> 

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RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-29 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
Or he could just make all replies on cf-jobs go to the author rather than
the list... even on the web form.

Seems like he was talking about doing that a while back. Guess he got side
tracked.

..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com
http://cf4em.com


-Original Message-
From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:17 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

Ditto that.

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In this case, even sending resumes to the email of sender is eliciting
> no response, so the request for contact info was valid.
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Ahhh... I see.  Sounds like MD should/could unmask emails for the
> > CF-Jobs list...
> >
> > -Cameron
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Dave Phillips
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Cameron,
> >>
> >> Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there,
if
> you
> >> 'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the
> list,
> >> not the original sender.
> >>
> >> Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to
post
> >> your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond.
>
> 



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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-29 Thread Phillip M. Vector
That would be bad... Is that how your forum software works?

If I hit reply on a forum, I would want it to go to the thread I was 
replying to. Not a private email.

Perhaps you meant a "reply to poster" button?

As for the list, cf-jobs does that. cf-jobs-talk (this one) doesn't 
because it's made for discussions. The people posting jobs on this list 
are actually posting to the wrong list. So it's an PebCak error.

Bobby Hartsfield wrote:
> Or he could just make all replies on cf-jobs go to the author rather than
> the list... even on the web form.
> 
> Seems like he was talking about doing that a while back. Guess he got side
> tracked.
> 
> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
> Bobby Hartsfield
> http://acoderslife.com
> http://cf4em.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:17 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites
> 
> Ditto that.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> In this case, even sending resumes to the email of sender is eliciting
>> no response, so the request for contact info was valid.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> Ahhh... I see.  Sounds like MD should/could unmask emails for the
>>> CF-Jobs list...
>>>
>>> -Cameron
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Dave Phillips
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Cameron,
>>>>
>>>> Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there,
> if
>> you
>>>> 'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the
>> list,
>>>> not the original sender.
>>>>
>>>> Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to
> post
>>>> your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-29 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Actually, the original post went to CF-Jobs, while the replies went to
CF-Jobs-Talk. I believe Michael's code does that automatically...
When a discussion starts on a thread on CF-Jobs, it moves it over to
CF-Jobs-Talk. I have to double-check that with Michael, however

Judith

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Phillip M. Vector
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That would be bad... Is that how your forum software works?
>
> If I hit reply on a forum, I would want it to go to the thread I was
> replying to. Not a private email.
>
> Perhaps you meant a "reply to poster" button?
>
> As for the list, cf-jobs does that. cf-jobs-talk (this one) doesn't
> because it's made for discussions. The people posting jobs on this list
> are actually posting to the wrong list. So it's an PebCak error.
>
> Bobby Hartsfield wrote:
>> Or he could just make all replies on cf-jobs go to the author rather than
>> the list... even on the web form.
>>
>> Seems like he was talking about doing that a while back. Guess he got side
>> tracked.
>>
>> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
>> Bobby Hartsfield
>> http://acoderslife.com
>> http://cf4em.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:17 PM
>> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
>> Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites
>>
>> Ditto that.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> In this case, even sending resumes to the email of sender is eliciting
>>> no response, so the request for contact info was valid.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Ahhh... I see.  Sounds like MD should/could unmask emails for the
>>>> CF-Jobs list...
>>>>
>>>> -Cameron
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Dave Phillips
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>> Cameron,
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there,
>> if
>>> you
>>>>> 'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the
>>> list,
>>>>> not the original sender.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to
>> post
>>>>> your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Cameron Childress
Judith-

Reube's reply went to CF-Jobs, I redirected mine to CF-Jobs-Talk when
I made my reply.

-Cameron

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 1:30 AM, Judith Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, the original post went to CF-Jobs, while the replies went to
> CF-Jobs-Talk. I believe Michael's code does that automatically...
> When a discussion starts on a thread on CF-Jobs, it moves it over to
> CF-Jobs-Talk. I have to double-check that with Michael, however

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RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
Tactful as usual... and no... it would not be bad to do that on cf-jobs
because its title is what it is... if you want to start a discussion on a
list, bring it to cf-jobs-talk. All replies on cf-jobs should go to the
author or just as Judith said... automatically come here instead.

It would only be 'bad' for trolls such as... nevermind.

..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com
http://cf4em.com

-Original Message-
From: Phillip M. Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:07 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

That would be bad... Is that how your forum software works?

If I hit reply on a forum, I would want it to go to the thread I was 
replying to. Not a private email.

Perhaps you meant a "reply to poster" button?

As for the list, cf-jobs does that. cf-jobs-talk (this one) doesn't 
because it's made for discussions. The people posting jobs on this list 
are actually posting to the wrong list. So it's an PebCak error.

Bobby Hartsfield wrote:
> Or he could just make all replies on cf-jobs go to the author rather than
> the list... even on the web form.
> 
> Seems like he was talking about doing that a while back. Guess he got side
> tracked.
> 
> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
> Bobby Hartsfield
> http://acoderslife.com
> http://cf4em.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:17 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking
sites
> 
> Ditto that.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> In this case, even sending resumes to the email of sender is eliciting
>> no response, so the request for contact info was valid.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> Ahhh... I see.  Sounds like MD should/could unmask emails for the
>>> CF-Jobs list...
>>>
>>> -Cameron
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Dave Phillips
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Cameron,
>>>>
>>>> Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there,
> if
>> you
>>>> 'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the
>> list,
>>>> not the original sender.
>>>>
>>>> Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to
> post
>>>> your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 



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RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Totally off topicbut Philif you're going to use an
acronymuse the right one man

It's not PebCak, it's PEBKAC

AKA

Problem
Encountered
Between
Keyboard
And
Chair

Better check your chair ;-)

Cheers
-  


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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Phillip M. Vector
DOH! :) Thanks for the correction. :)

Bryan Stevenson wrote:
> Totally off topicbut Philif you're going to use an
> acronymuse the right one man
> 
> It's not PebCak, it's PEBKAC
> 
> AKA
> 
> Problem
> Encountered
> Between
> Keyboard
> And
> Chair
> 
> Better check your chair ;-)
> 
> Cheers
> -  
> 
> 
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
> cell: 250.920.8830
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> web: www.electricedgesystems.com
>  
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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Phillip M. Vector
I just went through a few recent mails on the cf-jobs list and replied 
to them. All of them went to the author.

I even went to that one we are talking about and got Eric Ranelo 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> as the replyto address.

The issue came up when someone posted that no email address was on the 
list when it was on the forums. They replied on cf-jobs-talk. Which 
doesn't make much sense IMHO.

As for it being bad, as a user, figure that I'm seeing these posts on a 
forum and I am reading the cf-jobs threads. If I click on "reply", I 
would want it to go to the email of that user (or private message him or 
what have you ). I wouldn't want it to go to a different thread because 
then, after I reply, I wouldn't see the post and figure it didn't take, 
so I'd post again.

All I'm saying is that if you click reply on a forum, it shouldn't reply 
to a different thread. That just seems wrong to me.

and tactful isn't my strong suit. I am sorry if anyone was offended.

Bobby Hartsfield wrote:
> Tactful as usual... and no... it would not be bad to do that on cf-jobs
> because its title is what it is... if you want to start a discussion on a
> list, bring it to cf-jobs-talk. All replies on cf-jobs should go to the
> author or just as Judith said... automatically come here instead.
> 
> It would only be 'bad' for trolls such as... nevermind.
> 
> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
> Bobby Hartsfield
> http://acoderslife.com
> http://cf4em.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Phillip M. Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:07 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites
> 
> That would be bad... Is that how your forum software works?
> 
> If I hit reply on a forum, I would want it to go to the thread I was 
> replying to. Not a private email.
> 
> Perhaps you meant a "reply to poster" button?
> 
> As for the list, cf-jobs does that. cf-jobs-talk (this one) doesn't 
> because it's made for discussions. The people posting jobs on this list 
> are actually posting to the wrong list. So it's an PebCak error.
> 
> Bobby Hartsfield wrote:
>> Or he could just make all replies on cf-jobs go to the author rather than
>> the list... even on the web form.
>>
>> Seems like he was talking about doing that a while back. Guess he got side
>> tracked.
>>
>> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
>> Bobby Hartsfield
>> http://acoderslife.com
>> http://cf4em.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:17 PM
>> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
>> Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking
> sites
>> Ditto that.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> In this case, even sending resumes to the email of sender is eliciting
>>> no response, so the request for contact info was valid.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Ahhh... I see.  Sounds like MD should/could unmask emails for the
>>>> CF-Jobs list...
>>>>
>>>> -Cameron
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Dave Phillips
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>> Cameron,
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there,
>> if
>>> you
>>>>> 'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the
>>> list,
>>>>> not the original sender.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to
>> post
>>>>> your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Judith Dinowitz
> As for it being bad, as a user, figure that I'm seeing these posts on a
> forum and I am reading the cf-jobs threads. If I click on "reply", I
> would want it to go to the email of that user (or private message him or
> what have you ). I wouldn't want it to go to a different thread because
> then, after I reply, I wouldn't see the post and figure it didn't take,
> so I'd post again.
>
> All I'm saying is that if you click reply on a forum, it shouldn't reply
> to a different thread. That just seems wrong to me.

Right - but it's the question of the purpose of the list. CF-Jobs is
an exception to the rule here. It's not a discussion board. It has one
purpose only: To post jobs or to post that you're available for hire.
That's it. So theoretically, you'd be there for one purpose only - to
respond to a specific job offer, or to post your specific request. The
forum is really an archive of the mailing list posts, and some people
prefer reading the job offers on the archive rather than getting them
through email.

So if you need to respond to a specific ad, or a request for hire, it
would make sense to have your reply go to the person who made it, no?

And if you need to discuss an issue having to do with finding a job,
or the job market, or ColdFusion in the marketplace, than CF-Jobs-Talk
is the place to go.

Judith

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Phillip M. Vector
Judith Dinowitz wrote:
> Right - but it's the question of the purpose of the list. CF-Jobs is
> an exception to the rule here. It's not a discussion board. It has one
> purpose only: To post jobs or to post that you're available for hire.
> That's it. So theoretically, you'd be there for one purpose only - to
> respond to a specific job offer, or to post your specific request. The
> forum is really an archive of the mailing list posts, and some people
> prefer reading the job offers on the archive rather than getting them
> through email.

Right. So a generic "reply" button on the forum side would be served by 
saying "Reply to sender" instead of a generic reply button.

I never went to the forum side, so I have no idea if this is how it's 
set up already or not. Just wanted to point out that cf-jobs shouldn't 
be treated like a normal forum thread is all. :)

> So if you need to respond to a specific ad, or a request for hire, it
> would make sense to have your reply go to the person who made it, no?

*nods*

> And if you need to discuss an issue having to do with finding a job,
> or the job market, or ColdFusion in the marketplace, than CF-Jobs-Talk
> is the place to go.

Right. :)

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Judith Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Right. So a generic "reply" button on the forum side would be served by
>> saying "Reply to sender" instead of a generic reply button.
>
> Suggestion noted. :) I have no idea if Michael set up the same thing
> on the forums side, actually. I'll have him look at this when he has a
> moment and we'll decide the best way to go. Thanks for the feedback.

This solution does seem to make the most sense.

-Cameron

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Vicky
Judith... Far as I'm concerned, someone posting a position should be
professional and include some manner of contact info within the body of the
post.  The *one* email generated per such thread asking for further contact
info doesn't warrant you or Michael going out of your way to "fix" this
issue in addition to the many responsibilities you already have.  You're too
kind.  :)

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Judith Dinowitz <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Right. So a generic "reply" button on the forum side would be served by
> > saying "Reply to sender" instead of a generic reply button.
>
> Suggestion noted. :) I have no idea if Michael set up the same thing
> on the forums side, actually. I'll have him look at this when he has a
> moment and we'll decide the best way to go. Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Judith
>
> 

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Phillip M. Vector
I agree fully. Unfortunately, we have people posting jobs who aren't 
knowledgeable enough to post their contact info in their posts (and are 
still getting replies from those of us who deal with it as an email 
list, so there is no motivation for them to change).

If Judith and Michael want to fix this (I would figure it would be 
pretty easy to do), that's up to them. It would makes things on the 
forum side a little clearer though. :)

Vicky wrote:
> Judith... Far as I'm concerned, someone posting a position should be
> professional and include some manner of contact info within the body of the
> post.  The *one* email generated per such thread asking for further contact
> info doesn't warrant you or Michael going out of your way to "fix" this
> issue in addition to the many responsibilities you already have.  You're too
> kind.  :)
> 
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Judith Dinowitz <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>> Right. So a generic "reply" button on the forum side would be served by
>>> saying "Reply to sender" instead of a generic reply button.
>> Suggestion noted. :) I have no idea if Michael set up the same thing
>> on the forums side, actually. I'll have him look at this when he has a
>> moment and we'll decide the best way to go. Thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> Judith
>>
>>
> 
> 

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> Judith... Far as I'm concerned, someone posting a position should be
> professional and include some manner of contact info within the body of the
> post.  The *one* email generated per such thread asking for further contact
> info doesn't warrant you or Michael going out of your way to "fix" this
> issue in addition to the many responsibilities you already have.  You're too
> kind.  :)

I'll step in and defend the logic and time that was taken for them to
"be too kind"... you can go into the archives and see (time and time
and time again) where potential applicants have simply hit "Reply" and
sent resumes, rates, portfolios and other personal information, only
to have their reply indexed on a VERY Google friendly site.  Beyond
applicants, I have actually seen past employees respond to postings -
not always in very positive ways.

Michael's policy of having the Reply to for Jobs postings go to the
poster is one that is meant to help people save face.

Hatton

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RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Scott Stewart
Just to throw my two cents worth in...

I'd like to see a step further, where jobs are posted to the list via a
form, which would include:

Contact Info (Name, email, company, phone numbers, website),
Job description,
Work location,
Onsite/Offsite/Telecommute,
Contract/Direct/Temp,
W-2/1099,
Rate/Salary,
H1-B/No H1-B

This would answer a lot of questions for me off the bat, especially when
it's an out of town gig that they want me to pack up and move for.

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-Original Message-
From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:24 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

Judith... Far as I'm concerned, someone posting a position should be
professional and include some manner of contact info within the body of the
post.  The *one* email generated per such thread asking for further contact
info doesn't warrant you or Michael going out of your way to "fix" this
issue in addition to the many responsibilities you already have.  You're too
kind.  :)

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Judith Dinowitz <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Right. So a generic "reply" button on the forum side would be served by
> > saying "Reply to sender" instead of a generic reply button.
>
> Suggestion noted. :) I have no idea if Michael set up the same thing
> on the forums side, actually. I'll have him look at this when he has a
> moment and we'll decide the best way to go. Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Judith
>
> 



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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Phillip M. Vector
Seconded. This would help greatly with the filtering out of jobs that I 
could do and those I can't.

Scott Stewart wrote:
> I'd like to see a step further, where jobs are posted to the list via a
> form

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RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread William
Since there is a change of venue for the massage, is there an alert message to 
the poster as to where the message ended up posted to?

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-Original Message-
From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Jobs-Talk" 
Sent: 7/30/2008 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

> As for it being bad, as a user, figure that I'm seeing these posts on a
> forum and I am reading the cf-jobs threads. If I click on "reply", I
> would want it to go to the email of that user (or private message him or
> what have you ). I wouldn't want it to go to a different thread because
> then, after I reply, I wouldn't see the post and figure it didn't take,
> so I'd post again.
>
> All I'm saying is that if you click reply on a forum, it shouldn't reply
> to a different thread. That just seems wrong to me.

Right - but it's the question of the purpose of the list. CF-Jobs is
an exception to the rule here. It's not a discussion board. It has one
purpose only: To post jobs or to post that you're available for hire.
That's it. So theoretically, you'd be there for one purpose only - to
respond to a specific job offer, or to post your specific request. The
forum is really an archive of the mailing list posts, and some people
prefer reading the job offers on the archive rather than getting them
through email.

So if you need to respond to a specific ad, or a request for hire, it
would make sense to have your reply go to the person who made it, no?

And if you need to discuss an issue having to do with finding a job,
or the job market, or ColdFusion in the marketplace, than CF-Jobs-Talk
is the place to go.

Judith



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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Vicky
>
> Right - but it's the question of the purpose of the list. CF-Jobs is
> an exception to the rule here. It's not a discussion board. It has one
> purpose only: To post jobs or to post that you're available for hire.
> That's it. So theoretically, you'd be there for one purpose only - to
> respond to a specific job offer, or to post your specific request. The
> forum is really an archive of the mailing list posts, and some people
> prefer reading the job offers on the archive rather than getting them
> through email.
>

The way it works for me it that hitting reply puts the original poster's
email addie in my TO: field.  (Or so it has appeared!  I hope I've not been
replying to the list? lol)   This is why I didn't see a need to fix it, but
I guess if some people are seeing a private email addie yet unknowingly
posting to the list, then that's different.  I've never encountered this
before that I know of?  It is usually human error...

Disable the option to reply at all.  This would force the poster to include
contact info, and it would force the responder to manually address the
poster.   :P



>
>
>
> So if you need to respond to a specific ad, or a request for hire, it
> would make sense to have your reply go to the person who made it, no?
>
> And if you need to discuss an issue having to do with finding a job,
> or the job market, or ColdFusion in the marketplace, than CF-Jobs-Talk
> is the place to go.
>
> Judith
>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Vicky
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:33 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> > Judith... Far as I'm concerned, someone posting a position should be
> > professional and include some manner of contact info within the body of
> the
> > post.  The *one* email generated per such thread asking for further
> contact
> > info doesn't warrant you or Michael going out of your way to "fix" this
> > issue in addition to the many responsibilities you already have.  You're
> too
> > kind.  :)
>
> I'll step in and defend the logic and time that was taken for them to
> "be too kind"...


I'm saying the time they took already to set it up the way it is appears to
be fine from my end.  Apparently, I'm not seeing the same thing others are.
I was saying to deal with this any further would "be too kind".  The amt of
email generated asking for further contact info: 1.   Amt of email generated
to fix the issue: 20.  (Granted, it's on the "talk" list, so I'm not
complaining... just saying...)   The mere fact that they host this list is,
imo, kind.   It appeared to me she was having to go above and beyond the
call of duty to protect ppl who either need to post better contact info or
pay attention to what they're doing.  If, in fact, some ppl hit reply... see
the poster's email addie... and yet somehow unknowingly post to the list,
then that's obviously a different issue and I stand corrected.


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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Kelly Matthews
Or some people like myself, get the digest therefore you can't reply to the 
individual person. FYI :)

>Ahhh... I see.  Sounds like MD should/could unmask emails for the
>CF-Jobs list...
>
>-Cameron
>
>
>> Cameron,
>>
>> Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there, if you
>> 'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the list,
>> not the original sender.
>>
>> Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to post
>> your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond. 

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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Judith Dinowitz
That is an issue we still have to solve.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Kelly Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or some people like myself, get the digest therefore you can't reply to the 
> individual person. FYI :)
>

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RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
I'm sure if such a feature were implemented, mike would have the sense to
make it clear where the message was going. If you cliked 'Reply' on the
website for a job posting and saw 'This message will be emailed directly to
the author of this post' then you submitted it and saw a message that
said... 'Your message has been emailed to the author...etc...'

I would hope you'd know where it went by that point and not resubmit it.

..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
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-Original Message-
From: Phillip M. Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:37 AM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

I just went through a few recent mails on the cf-jobs list and replied 
to them. All of them went to the author.

I even went to that one we are talking about and got Eric Ranelo 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> as the replyto address.

The issue came up when someone posted that no email address was on the 
list when it was on the forums. They replied on cf-jobs-talk. Which 
doesn't make much sense IMHO.

As for it being bad, as a user, figure that I'm seeing these posts on a 
forum and I am reading the cf-jobs threads. If I click on "reply", I 
would want it to go to the email of that user (or private message him or 
what have you ). I wouldn't want it to go to a different thread because 
then, after I reply, I wouldn't see the post and figure it didn't take, 
so I'd post again.

All I'm saying is that if you click reply on a forum, it shouldn't reply 
to a different thread. That just seems wrong to me.

and tactful isn't my strong suit. I am sorry if anyone was offended.

Bobby Hartsfield wrote:
> Tactful as usual... and no... it would not be bad to do that on cf-jobs
> because its title is what it is... if you want to start a discussion on a
> list, bring it to cf-jobs-talk. All replies on cf-jobs should go to the
> author or just as Judith said... automatically come here instead.
> 
> It would only be 'bad' for trolls such as... nevermind.
> 
> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
> Bobby Hartsfield
> http://acoderslife.com
> http://cf4em.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phillip M. Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:07 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking
sites
> 
> That would be bad... Is that how your forum software works?
> 
> If I hit reply on a forum, I would want it to go to the thread I was 
> replying to. Not a private email.
> 
> Perhaps you meant a "reply to poster" button?
> 
> As for the list, cf-jobs does that. cf-jobs-talk (this one) doesn't 
> because it's made for discussions. The people posting jobs on this list 
> are actually posting to the wrong list. So it's an PebCak error.
> 
> Bobby Hartsfield wrote:
>> Or he could just make all replies on cf-jobs go to the author rather than
>> the list... even on the web form.
>>
>> Seems like he was talking about doing that a while back. Guess he got
side
>> tracked.
>>
>> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
>> Bobby Hartsfield
>> http://acoderslife.com
>> http://cf4em.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:17 PM
>> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
>> Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking
> sites
>> Ditto that.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> In this case, even sending resumes to the email of sender is eliciting
>>> no response, so the request for contact info was valid.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Ahhh... I see.  Sounds like MD should/could unmask emails for the
>>>> CF-Jobs list...
>>>>
>>>> -Cameron
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Dave Phillips
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>> Cameron,
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people read these in the forum through their browser, and there,
>> if
>>> you
>>>>> 'reply', you are replying to the 'post' and your reply will go to the
>>> list,
>>>>> not the original sender.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some also read in digest mode, so it is definitely a requirement to
>> post
>>>>> your contact e-mail if you want EVERYONE to be able to respond.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 



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RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
We've said PICNIC since the dawn of time... (ok maybe not quite that long)

Problem
In
Chair
Not
In
Computer

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-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:25 AM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

Totally off topicbut Philif you're going to use an
acronymuse the right one man

It's not ???PebCak, it's PEBKAC

AKA

Problem
Encountered
Between
Keyboard
And
Chair

Better check your chair ;-)

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RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Bryan Stevenson
PICNIC has been added to my list o geek terms ;-)

Thanks Bobby!
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Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Maureen
We've always called them ID 10 T errors.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We've said PICNIC since the dawn of time... (ok maybe not quite that long)
>
> Problem
> In
> Chair
> Not
> In
> Computer
>
> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
> Bobby Hartsfield
> http://acoderslife.com
> http://cf4em.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:25 AM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites
>
> Totally off topicbut Philif you're going to use an
> acronymuse the right one man
>
> It's not ???PebCak, it's PEBKAC
>
> AKA
>
> Problem
> Encountered
> Between
> Keyboard
> And
> Chair
>
> Better check your chair ;-)
>
> Cheers
> -
>
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
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RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

2008-07-30 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
And ID 107 errors :-)

..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
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http://cf4em.com

-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:43 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: CF programmer with experience building Social networking sites

We've always called them ID 10 T errors.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> We've said PICNIC since the dawn of time... (ok maybe not quite that long)
>
> Problem
> In
> Chair
> Not
> In
> Computer
>
> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
> Bobby Hartsfield
> http://acoderslife.com
> http://cf4em.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:25 AM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF programmer with experience building Social networking
sites
>
> Totally off topicbut Philif you're going to use an
> acronymuse the right one man
>
> It's not ???PebCak, it's PEBKAC
>
> AKA
>
> Problem
> Encountered
> Between
> Keyboard
> And
> Chair
>
> Better check your chair ;-)
>
> Cheers
> -
>
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
> cell: 250.920.8830
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.electricedgesystems.com
>
> Notice:
> This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain
> information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended
> only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized
> otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please
> notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this
> message and attachments.
>
>
>
>
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