RE: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Martin Parry
Just looking at the link you posted and Wicked - we get CFML support
as part of the standard edition - that's amazing :S, thanks MM

I does look like a pretty measly feature set in comparison. But there is
some great functionality in the standard edition. I think it's a bit of
a poor show keeping some things like event gateways out and I think it
could stifle growth in development of these gateways by excluding it
from the masses.

As far as sourceless deployment being excluded - I too was hoping for
this as I sub-licence my CMS to other people and want to keep the code
secret. Does this come as with BlueDragon as standard? Hey ho, time to
go sell a Kidney to get the Enterprise version.
 
Martin Parry
Macromedia Certified Developer
http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 07 February 2005 03:55
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released

OK sure -- I was simply looking at the check marks here:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/product_editio
ns/


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RE: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Micha Schopman
My favorite features are :

File System Gateway 
Think WebDAV, think Content Management,  ... this is porn for
webdevelopers

CFML Asynchronous Gateway
Used with care, this can really blast competition away. But I don't know
how it will affect performance with short running requests. :)

Administrator API
At last we can modify all mappings, odbc settings, through a nice little
setup screen in our web applications.

Sourceless Deployment
Strong Encyption
Debugging Improvements (this is almost as good as a real profiler tool)
Application Event Traps
CFCHART (not tried yet, but gonna check it against GlobFX Swiff Chart
Generator)
Builtin export to PDF (saves me an ActivePDF license per domain)


Features I personally don't care about are:

Flash Forms, XML Forms, Improved Form Validation etc. because I know my
way around with current techniques, and I don't really find them very
usefull in real world examples :) 


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From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 5:27
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 is released

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:55:21 +1300, Matthew Walker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm sure there's good stuff in the standard version, but I guess I've
been
 waiting for event gateways, form improvements, reporting, and
sourceless
 deployment. Unless I'm mistaken, I'll miss out on three of these four.

Event gateways are Enterprise only - although they are present in
Developer Edition too, of course.

Form improvements are in every edition.

Reporting is in every edition - Enterprise brings higher performance.

Sourceless deployment is a bit confusing - J2EE *deployment* is
limited to Enterprise since that requires the J2EE version (which is
Enterprise only). However, you can perform J2EE *packaging* on any
edition.

You can compile to .class files with every edition and therefore you
can distribute your code in a compiled format using any edition.

I suspect this one will end up needing a lot of clarification in the
next month or so!
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Re: Should I have heard from Macromedia?

2005-02-07 Thread Andy Allan
Fire off an email to them. That's precisely what I had to do to get my
pack through ... and even then they managed to get my name wrong. 3rd
time lucky :)

Andy


On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:37:44 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I sat my CFMX certification exam on Decemer 23 last year and passed
 with advanced status - I havent heard anything since from anyone.
 
 My name is now listed in the listing of Advanced certified Developers,
 and that's good, but is that all that happens?
 
 Should I have heard from Macromedia at all?   What happens after you
 pass the exam?
 
 Cheers
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 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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Re: Should I have heard from Macromedia?

2005-02-07 Thread Kay Smoljak
 On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:37:44 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I sat my CFMX certification exam on Decemer 23 last year and passed
  with advanced status - I havent heard anything since from anyone.
 
  My name is now listed in the listing of Advanced certified Developers,
  and that's good, but is that all that happens?

I sat my exam on Dec 15 - seeing your post prompted me to check the
web site, and yes my name is listed. But how's this for a coincidence
- I just got a phone call from the office - my CD and pin arrived
today! And on my birthday and all :)

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RE: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Micha Schopman
Oh oh, the demo application crashes :) If any of the web team of
Macromedia watches.. 

The error occurred on 
http://www.macromedia.com/examples/cfgettingstarted/extranet/webroot/ord
er_search_results.cfm

When you select view, in the search results of artists.

The error given:

Error Executing Database Query.  
ORA-00904:  : invalid identifier  
  
 
Please try the following: 
Enable Robust Exception Information to provide greater detail about the
source of errors. In the Administrator, click Debugging  Logging 
Debugging Settings, and select the Robust Exception Information option. 
Check the ColdFusion documentation to verify that you are using the
correct syntax. 
Search the Knowledge Base to find a solution to your problem. 

 
Browser   Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET
CLR 1.1.4322) 
Remote Address   10.171.12.40 
Referrer
http://www.macromedia.com/examples/cfgettingstarted/extranet/webroot/ord
er_search_results.cfm 
Date/Time   07-Feb-05 01:48 AM 


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RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-07 Thread Martin Parry
Worthy of some consideration - thanks!

Martin Parry
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-Original Message-
From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 February 2005 19:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:48:52 -, Martin Parry 

I like using this library:

http://www.dithered.com/javascript/index.html
(1k script that eases cross browser javascript development.  
i.e. instead of document.getElementById(id) you use gE(id)


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Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Cutter
I know it's expensive, but a superbowl ad would have been great 
publicity to the corporate minds;)

I notice it's not up in the DevNet downloads area. I know MM isn't 
offering any more subscriptions, but I've got 100+ days left on my 
subscription.

Cutter

Simon Horwith wrote:

Go get it!
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/

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Web Analytics

2005-02-07 Thread Dwayne Cole
Any recommendations on software to help track site visit and performance stats. 
 I know about Web Trends but I was wondering if there others that may be 
better, less expensive, easier to use etc.  I have a co-located box and I host 
10 sites.  $9,000 is a bit much and even $495 for each site (webtrends cost for 
the software for each domain)is a bit much.   My small client base like our 
solution but would also like to have web analytics.  I'm looking for a way 
deliver this what is often a standard feature with most host. 

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CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Allan - CFUG Spain
Hoping for a reply from someone at Macromedia.

-

I see the enterprise edition costs $5999 in the US

If I check that is pounds at yahoo http://finance.yahoo.com/currency?u thats
£3200

Macromedia wants people in the UK to pay £4289.

WHO IS THE EXTRA 1000 QUID FOR?

My 2p worth for a Monday morning!

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P.S. same with euros exchange rate cost 4670€, they want 5999€ 



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RE: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Martin Parry
I know, and you can't buy it from the US if you live in the UK which sucks..  I 
would appreciate an answer too.

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-Original Message-
From: Allan - CFUG Spain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 07 February 2005 11:14
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX 7 Price

Hoping for a reply from someone at Macromedia.

-

If I check that is pounds at yahoo http://finance.yahoo.com/currency?u thats
£3200

Macromedia wants people in the UK to pay £4289.


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RE: Web Analytics

2005-02-07 Thread Martin Parry
I've been trying DeepMetrix XSP - It's real-time, damned good and a lot
cheaper than WebTrends. $895 for up to 50 virtual servers

http://www.deepmetrix.com/livestats/xsp/

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-Original Message-
From: Dwayne Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 07 February 2005 11:05
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Web Analytics

Any recommendations on software to help track site visit and performance
stats.  I know about Web Trends but I was wondering if there others that
may be better, less expensive, easier to use etc.  I have a co-located
box and I host 10 sites.  $9,000 is a bit much and even $495 for each
site (webtrends cost for the software for each domain)is a bit much.
My small client base like our solution but would also like to have web
analytics.  I'm looking for a way deliver this what is often a standard
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RE: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Ben Forta
Jeff,

cfdocument and Report Builder functionality is identical in all versions.
The difference between these features in Standard versus Enterprise is in
the number of threads allocated to generating the printable output. CF
Standard is best suited for up to 5 concurrent requests (that is
cfdocument and reporting requests, not all requests) whereas CF Enterprise
is designed to be able to handle a far greater load.

--- Ben
 

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released

Okay, I am looking at the product editions comparison.  I knew event
gateways were going to be enterprise, but what is with the document and
report generation?  There is next to no detail here, but is all report
generation limited to the enterprise edition or can some still be done using
the standard edition? 

-- Jeff

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 9:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 is released

Majority of the cool features? You have application events, new Verity
improvements, tag improvements that help in CFC development (return
variables for cfhttp, cfquery, etc), improvements/additions to tags for
development (cfdump, cftimer), application events (yes, I said it twice, but
it is a major new addition to CFML).


On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:32:42 +1300, Matthew Walker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's not wicked is that the majority of cool features seem to be 
 Enterprise only. First Flex, now this. Macromedia is not my valentine.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Yves Arsenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, 7 February 2005 4:15 p.m.
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFMX 7 is released
 
 Wicked.
 
 This goes great with the Superbowl!
 
 :-)
 
 Thanks Simon,
 
 Yves
 
 On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:26:42 +, Simon Horwith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  Go get it!
  http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/
 
  ~Simon
 
  --
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Re: Web Analytics

2005-02-07 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Mon,  7 Feb 2005 06:04:34 -0500, Dwayne Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any recommendations on software to help track site visit and performance 
 stats. 

I like Deepmetrix LiveStats (http://www.deepmetrix.com/) a lot, but my
company is looking at Urchin (http://www.urchin.com/) which is
lower-priced but also nice.

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Re: Should I have heard from Macromedia?

2005-02-07 Thread Michael Traher
I passed the exam on 19th November but my pack was not shipped from
Macromedia until 7th Jan. Should get yours any day now!

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RE: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Maybe they are following the same vain as Apple and asking UK users to pay
more for tracks!



-Original Message-
From: Allan - CFUG Spain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 07 February 2005 11:14
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX 7 Price

Hoping for a reply from someone at Macromedia.

-

I see the enterprise edition costs $5999 in the US

If I check that is pounds at yahoo http://finance.yahoo.com/currency?u thats
£3200

Macromedia wants people in the UK to pay £4289.

WHO IS THE EXTRA 1000 QUID FOR?

My 2p worth for a Monday morning!

Allan Cliff

P.S. same with euros exchange rate cost 4670â'¬, they want 5999â'¬






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RE: Web Analytics

2005-02-07 Thread Martin Parry
Not seen Urchin before but it too looks very good based on the demo I've
just watched.

It all depends too how easy they are to automatically set up
configuration for a site.. So, when I run my site build process it can
make the necessary config files for the analytics software. 

Martin Parry
Macromedia Certified Developer
http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk


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From: Kay Smoljak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 07 February 2005 11:28
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Web Analytics

I like Deepmetrix LiveStats (http://www.deepmetrix.com/) a lot, but my
company is looking at Urchin (http://www.urchin.com/) which is
lower-priced but also nice.


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Re: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Allan - CFUG Spain
Its not just uk though its everyone, and the difference is not just a few
pounds / euros its 1000 pounds and 1300 euros.

Its just NOT justifiable.

Spain has very low use of CF and i'm afraid it's going to stay that way.


- Original Message - 
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price


 Maybe they are following the same vain as Apple and asking UK users to pay
 more for tracks!



 -Original Message-
 From: Allan - CFUG Spain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 07 February 2005 11:14
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: CFMX 7 Price

 Hoping for a reply from someone at Macromedia.

 -

 I see the enterprise edition costs $5999 in the US

 If I check that is pounds at yahoo http://finance.yahoo.com/currency?u
thats
 £3200

 Macromedia wants people in the UK to pay £4289.

 WHO IS THE EXTRA 1000 QUID FOR?

 My 2p worth for a Monday morning!

 Allan Cliff

 P.S. same with euros exchange rate cost 4670â'¬, they want 5999â'¬
 





 

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RE: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Martin Parry
Hopefully Ben Forta's listening in on this one... What are your
thoughts, or can you get someone at MM to at least clarify why there is
such a difference or at least let us buy it from the states :)

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Sent: 07 February 2005 11:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 Price

Its not just uk though its everyone, and the difference is not just a
few
pounds / euros its 1000 pounds and 1300 euros.

Its just NOT justifiable.

Spain has very low use of CF and i'm afraid it's going to stay that way.


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RE: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Micha Schopman
Well, my guess is Macromedia wants to gain market share in the enterprise 
market so prices will not drop. For the small developer or middlesize 
entrepeneur, CFMX becomes a hard to sell product. And enterprise level 
development, well.. I see a battle between two enterprise level victims, and 
those are J2EE and .NET and I think it is very hard to put ColdFusion between 
those two, but time will tell. I am interested in how this strategy works out.

Micha Schopman
Software Engineer

Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL  Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
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-Original Message-
From: Allan - CFUG Spain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 12:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 Price

Its not just uk though its everyone, and the difference is not just a few
pounds / euros its 1000 pounds and 1300 euros.

Its just NOT justifiable.

Spain has very low use of CF and i'm afraid it's going to stay that way.


- Original Message - 
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price


 Maybe they are following the same vain as Apple and asking UK users to pay
 more for tracks!



 -Original Message-
 From: Allan - CFUG Spain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 07 February 2005 11:14
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: CFMX 7 Price

 Hoping for a reply from someone at Macromedia.

 -

 I see the enterprise edition costs $5999 in the US

 If I check that is pounds at yahoo http://finance.yahoo.com/currency?u
thats
 £3200

 Macromedia wants people in the UK to pay £4289.

 WHO IS THE EXTRA 1000 QUID FOR?

 My 2p worth for a Monday morning!

 Allan Cliff

 P.S. same with euros exchange rate cost 4670â'¬, they want 5999â'¬
 





 



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RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-07 Thread Calvin Ward
How about that CherryOS for Mac Emulation!


-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 7:42 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions
 
 Specifically...
 
 - Do you serve different style sheets or pages depending on the browser
 and
 version? How many?
 
 - Are you coding to W3C standards? Which one(s)? How much does that
 actually
 help your pages be more universally compatible?

Whenever possible code to standards then change (and comment!) for browser
issues.
 
 - What's an accurate, up to date source of info on html, css, and js
 capabilities and quirks for a lot of different browsers and versions?

The JavaScript and DHTML guides at MSDN.microsoft.com are pretty good and
inform you of which features are in which specs (but not how to code for the
other browsers).

 - It doesn't appear that you can have multiple versions of IE installed on
 the same machine. If you have to support them, do you actually have
 separate
 machines whose only purpose is to be equipped with IE 4, 5, and 6, maybe
 even 3? How else can you test?

MS (formerly Connectix) Virtual PC or VMWare are absolute god sends for
this.  Using them you can install any x86 OS (all DOS/Windows, Linux, BeOS,
Lindows, etc) to software only Virtual PCs.  You can then copy virtual PCs
(which are really just files on your hard disk) to easily create test
platforms.

For example you might install Windows 2000 to a virtual PC.  You then make a
copy of that and install IE 5.5 then another copy and install IE 6.0.  Now
you can run all of them as windows on your host machine for testing.

The only thing you can't do (since this is  x86 emulator) is test Mac OSs.
There's still no really good solution for that other than getting a Mac and
then you're still left with multi-booting or multiple machines for testing
multiple OSes (I REALLY WANT a PPC emulator!)

 - Do you have mac, linux and pc browser test machines?

Personally, no.  I use Virtual PC for PC and Linux and trust to the graces
of friends for Macs (since I can't see spending the money and dedicating the
space for one personally).

 - For general public sites, what do you consider a reasonable list of
 browsers and versions that you need to support?

Depends on the site... right now I would say on the PC IE 6, 5.5 and 5 and
Firefox 1.0 as browsers should be the minimum.  However you might want to
add earlier versions of Mozilla and IE-based browsers.  AOL testing would be
good as well, if you can, although it still uses the IE engine it does
modify it.

One the Mac it looks like IE 5.5 is losing ground steadily to Safari while
on Linux Firefox seems to be king.

Jim Davis






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Re: Web Analytics

2005-02-07 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:31:54 -, Martin Parry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not seen Urchin before but it too looks very good based on the demo I've
 just watched.
 
 It all depends too how easy they are to automatically set up
 configuration for a site.. So, when I run my site build process it can
 make the necessary config files for the analytics software.

Well, we use the HSphere Control Panel system, and Urchin is the only
commerical package which integrates with it.

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RE: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Ben Forta
Martin,

Honestly, I was not aware of this until I saw the thread here. I'll ping the
team on this one.

--- Ben

 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price

Hopefully Ben Forta's listening in on this one... What are your thoughts, or
can you get someone at MM to at least clarify why there is such a difference
or at least let us buy it from the states :)

Martin Parry
Macromedia Certified Developer
http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk


-Original Message-
From: Allan - CFUG Spain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 February 2005 11:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 Price

Its not just uk though its everyone, and the difference is not just a few
pounds / euros its 1000 pounds and 1300 euros.

Its just NOT justifiable.

Spain has very low use of CF and i'm afraid it's going to stay that way.




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Re: Imail Server

2005-02-07 Thread simmyana a
 In the command prompt I typed the following command: 
telnet ip address 25 
and it is displaying the Imail Server version in the screen, Does that mean it 
is recognizing the server??

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RE: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread kola.oyedeji
I'd be interested in hearing what they have to say about this as well, this
attitude to pricing at least in the uk is *not* new and seems to be the norm
by MM for server products - for example:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/buy/

prices flex at $12,000 or €14400

However €14,000 equates to around $18,000 US.


JRun : $899 which should equal around: £481 

IN the uk its sold for £749:

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/store/index.cfm?store=OLS-UKview=ols_prod
category=/Software/Server/StandAlones/JRun

I can only assume MM prices product per market which you would expect. 

Kola

 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 07 February 2005 12:26
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price
 
 Martin,
 
 Honestly, I was not aware of this until I saw the thread here. I'll ping
 the
 team on this one.
 
 --- Ben
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:52 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price
 
 Hopefully Ben Forta's listening in on this one... What are your thoughts,
 or
 can you get someone at MM to at least clarify why there is such a
 difference
 or at least let us buy it from the states :)
 
 Martin Parry
 Macromedia Certified Developer
 http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Allan - CFUG Spain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 07 February 2005 11:49
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFMX 7 Price
 
 Its not just uk though its everyone, and the difference is not just a few
 pounds / euros its 1000 pounds and 1300 euros.
 
 Its just NOT justifiable.
 
 Spain has very low use of CF and i'm afraid it's going to stay that way.
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Micha Schopman
 I can only assume MM prices product per market which you would expect.

Now we know why CFMX is more populair in the US ;) *hint*

Micha Schopman
Software Engineer

Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL  Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 15:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price

I'd be interested in hearing what they have to say about this as well, this
attitude to pricing at least in the uk is *not* new and seems to be the norm
by MM for server products - for example:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/buy/

prices flex at $12,000 or €14400

However €14,000 equates to around $18,000 US.


JRun : $899 which should equal around: £481 

IN the uk its sold for £749:

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/store/index.cfm?store=OLS-UKview=ols_prod
category=/Software/Server/StandAlones/JRun

I can only assume MM prices product per market which you would expect. 

Kola

 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 07 February 2005 12:26
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price
 
 Martin,
 
 Honestly, I was not aware of this until I saw the thread here. I'll ping
 the
 team on this one.
 
 --- Ben
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:52 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price
 
 Hopefully Ben Forta's listening in on this one... What are your thoughts,
 or
 can you get someone at MM to at least clarify why there is such a
 difference
 or at least let us buy it from the states :)
 
 Martin Parry
 Macromedia Certified Developer
 http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Allan - CFUG Spain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 07 February 2005 11:49
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFMX 7 Price
 
 Its not just uk though its everyone, and the difference is not just a few
 pounds / euros its 1000 pounds and 1300 euros.
 
 Its just NOT justifiable.
 
 Spain has very low use of CF and i'm afraid it's going to stay that way.
 
 
 
 
 



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CFMX 7 pricing

2005-02-07 Thread Doug James
morning coffee=none

On 
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/product_editions/#s3
 the pricing is 
all $xxx/2 CPUs. Does that mean the price is good for a server with up to 2 
cpus, your license 
covers 2 cpu (possible on 2 servers), or the actual price is $xxx multiplied by 
2?

/morning

Thanks.

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RE: Web Analytics

2005-02-07 Thread Tim Blair
 my company is looking at Urchin (http://www.urchin.com/) 

We use Urchin for all our stats needs.  Highly recommended.

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Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Dick Applebaum
The MM team is to be congratulated for being totally responsive to the 
input of the beta testors (or is that testees) for making the Report 
Builder available in all editions.

The features of most interest to me are:

1) read only (CD) deployment
2) flexible licensing/pricing/redistro
3) sourceless, encrypted deployment
4) event gateways
5) report generation

-- Didn't get read-only deployment

-- Didn't get flexible licensing/pricing/redistro - but these are 
policy issues and easy to add later

-- got sourceless, encrypted deployment

-- got event gateways

-- got report generation

The product editions wouldn't mean so much, as that would be trumped by 
flexible licensing/pricing/redistro, if it were offered.

The Report Generation is win-only, which kind of works against the run 
anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation  deployment. 
Bummer!

There is still no production support for OS X deployment.  As Ben, and 
others, have pointed out (sometimes rather testily), Macromedia has 
just not seen enough demand to justify creating the infrastructure to 
support OS X-- I certainly tell everyone I know to ask for it :)  To be 
honest, though, most people running OS X servers (and there are quite a 
few) seem to be using BlueDragon.

While I really would like to see OS X support, it is becoming less of 
an issue for me, personally:

-- If I run a server myself, it will be on OS X, and I will support it 
myself.

-- If I develop CFEveywhere apps, they will run on all platforms and I 
will support them myself.

-- I would like to be able to develop CFEverywhere apps that are 
CD-based and/or include event gateways and report generation, but have 
to bypass these features, for the present (or approximate them, 
myself).

All negatives aside, this is a good release and moves CFML forward as a 
means to deliver solutions-- some, potentially, very exciting 
solutions.

Congrats to the CFMX7 development team!

Dick

On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:27 AM, Ben Forta wrote:

Jeff,

 cfdocument and Report Builder functionality is identical in all 
 versions.
 The difference between these features in Standard versus Enterprise is 
 in
 the number of threads allocated to generating the printable output. CF
 Standard is best suited for up to 5 concurrent requests (that is
 cfdocument and reporting requests, not all requests) whereas CF 
 Enterprise
 is designed to be able to handle a far greater load.

 --- Ben


 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:55 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released

 Okay, I am looking at the product editions comparison.  I knew event
 gateways were going to be enterprise, but what is with the document and
 report generation?  There is next to no detail here, but is all report
 generation limited to the enterprise edition or can some still be done 
 using
 the standard edition?

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Re: Web Analytics

2005-02-07 Thread Al Everett
I'm trying to find the same thing, but I have the opposite problem. I
have a single site load-balanced across seven servers. I need
something that can work with the logs of each individually and in
aggregate.


On Mon,  7 Feb 2005 06:04:34 -0500, Dwayne Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any recommendations on software to help track site visit and performance 
 stats.  I know about Web Trends but I was wondering if there others that may 
 be better, less expensive, easier to use etc.  I have a co-located box and I 
 host 10 sites.  $9,000 is a bit much and even $495 for each site (webtrends 
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RE: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Martin Parry
Cheers Ben.. Look forward to something..

Martin Parry
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 07 February 2005 12:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price

Martin,

Honestly, I was not aware of this until I saw the thread here. I'll ping
the
team on this one.

--- Ben


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Re: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Neil Middleton
VAT?   (value added tax (sales tax) for those outside the UK)


On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:49:22 +0100, Allan - CFUG Spain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Its not just uk though its everyone, and the difference is not just a few
 pounds / euros its 1000 pounds and 1300 euros.
 
 Its just NOT justifiable.
 
 Spain has very low use of CF and i'm afraid it's going to stay that way.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:31 PM
 Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price
 
  Maybe they are following the same vain as Apple and asking UK users to pay
  more for tracks!
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Allan - CFUG Spain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 07 February 2005 11:14
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: CFMX 7 Price
 
  Hoping for a reply from someone at Macromedia.
 
  -
 
  I see the enterprise edition costs $5999 in the US
 
  If I check that is pounds at yahoo http://finance.yahoo.com/currency?u
 thats
  £3200
 
  Macromedia wants people in the UK to pay £4289.
 
  WHO IS THE EXTRA 1000 QUID FOR?
 
  My 2p worth for a Monday morning!
 
  Allan Cliff
 
  P.S. same with euros exchange rate cost 4670â'¬, they want 5999â'¬
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Web Analytics

2005-02-07 Thread Joe Rinehart
Urchin flipping rocks.

-Joe


On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:31:54 -, Martin Parry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not seen Urchin before but it too looks very good based on the demo I've
 just watched.
 
 It all depends too how easy they are to automatically set up
 configuration for a site.. So, when I run my site build process it can
 make the necessary config files for the analytics software.
 
 Martin Parry
 Macromedia Certified Developer
 http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kay Smoljak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 07 February 2005 11:28
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Web Analytics
 
 I like Deepmetrix LiveStats (http://www.deepmetrix.com/) a lot, but my
 company is looking at Urchin (http://www.urchin.com/) which is
 lower-priced but also nice.
 
 

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RE: CFMX 7 pricing

2005-02-07 Thread Calvin Ward
1 server, 2 cpus

-Original Message-
From: Doug James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX 7 pricing

morning coffee=none

On
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/product_editions/
#s3 the pricing is 
all $xxx/2 CPUs. Does that mean the price is good for a server with up to
2 cpus, your license 
covers 2 cpu (possible on 2 servers), or the actual price is $xxx multiplied
by 2?

/morning

Thanks.

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Re: Stored procedure error

2005-02-07 Thread Al Everett
I've always found that error to be thrown by Oracle when it can't tell
you what the error is. It is singularly unhelpful.

I would start with your proc. Run it outside of CF to see if you get a
better error message.


On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:38:25 -0500, Doug Hyde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anybody ever encounter this error?
 
 [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver]Optional feature not implemented
 
 It seems to be related to a stored procedure call. See below.
 
 Doug
 
 ---
 
 TypeDatabase
 Query Error [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver]Optional feature not
 implemented
 Native Error Code   0
 SQL State   S1C00
 SQL { call spVisit(?,?,?,?) }
 Tag Context CFINCLUDE: Line=1; Column=1
 |
 +-- CFIF: Line=15; Column=1
 |
 +-- CFELSE: Line=26; Column=1
 |
 +-- CFOUTPUT: Line=55; Column=1
 |
 +-- CFIF: Line=90; Column=1
 |
 +-- CFELSEIF: Line=113; Column=1
 |
 +-- CFIF: Line=123; Column=1
 |
 +-- CFELSEIF: Line=138; Column=1
 |
 +-- CFINCLUDE: Line=142; Column=2
 |
 +-- CFOUTPUT: Line=14; Column=1
 |
 +-- CFINCLUDE: Line=30; Column=22
 |
 +-- CFOUTPUT: Line=5; Column=1
 |
 +-- CFSTOREDPROC: Line=79;
 Column=1
 Source
 
 76:   /cfif
 77: /cfif
 78:
 79: cfstoredproc datasource=#dsn# procedure=spVisit
 80:   cfprocparam dbvarname=userID cfsqltype=CF_SQL_INTEGER
 value=#userID# type=In
 
 ^ Snippet from underlying CFML source
 
 

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RE: Should I have heard from Macromedia?

2005-02-07 Thread Steven Erat
Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] if an unreasonable amount of time has passed
without receiving the certification package.

-Steve 

 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:38 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Should I have heard from Macromedia?
 
 I sat my CFMX certification exam on Decemer 23 last year and passed
 with advanced status - I havent heard anything since from anyone.
 
 My name is now listed in the listing of Advanced certified Developers,
 and that's good, but is that all that happens?
 
 Should I have heard from Macromedia at all?   What happens after you
 pass the exam?
 
 

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Re: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Massimo Foti
 prices flex at $12,000 or €14400

 However €14,000 equates to around $18,000 US.

As others said in the past, you can easily fly to the USA, buy a copy from a
local retailer, fly back to the UK and save a few thousands dollars in the
process :-)

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null null The error occurred on line -1.

2005-02-07 Thread Gaulin, Mark
Anybody know what this error (reporting by error.Diagnostics) means?

null null 
The error occurred on line -1.

We got a four of them before a CFMX server stopped responding, but they were 
spread out over a few minutes.  I don't know if it is directly related to the 
seize up or not, but it sure looks funny.

Thanks
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Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Adam Haskell
Sametime Gateway, yummy...file gateway yummier, application events
yummiest, Asynchronous Gateway..now we're just getting rediculous.
Good morning to all, now I have something to talk about in my meeting
this morning with my manager.

Adam H


On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:03:59 +0100, Micha Schopman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My favorite features are :
 
 File System Gateway
 Think WebDAV, think Content Management,  ... this is porn for
 webdevelopers
 
 CFML Asynchronous Gateway
 Used with care, this can really blast competition away. But I don't know
 how it will affect performance with short running requests. :)
 
 Administrator API
 At last we can modify all mappings, odbc settings, through a nice little
 setup screen in our web applications.
 
 Sourceless Deployment
 Strong Encyption
 Debugging Improvements (this is almost as good as a real profiler tool)
 Application Event Traps
 CFCHART (not tried yet, but gonna check it against GlobFX Swiff Chart
 Generator)
 Builtin export to PDF (saves me an ActivePDF license per domain)
 
 Features I personally don't care about are:
 
 Flash Forms, XML Forms, Improved Form Validation etc. because I know my
 way around with current techniques, and I don't really find them very
 usefull in real world examples :)
 
 
 Micha Schopman
 Software Engineer
 
 Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL  Amersfoort
 Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
 
 
 
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 informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl
 
 
 -
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 5:27
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFMX 7 is released
 
 On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:55:21 +1300, Matthew Walker
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm sure there's good stuff in the standard version, but I guess I've
 been
  waiting for event gateways, form improvements, reporting, and
 sourceless
  deployment. Unless I'm mistaken, I'll miss out on three of these four.
 
 Event gateways are Enterprise only - although they are present in
 Developer Edition too, of course.
 
 Form improvements are in every edition.
 
 Reporting is in every edition - Enterprise brings higher performance.
 
 Sourceless deployment is a bit confusing - J2EE *deployment* is
 limited to Enterprise since that requires the J2EE version (which is
 Enterprise only). However, you can perform J2EE *packaging* on any
 edition.
 
 You can compile to .class files with every edition and therefore you
 can distribute your code in a compiled format using any edition.
 
 I suspect this one will end up needing a lot of clarification in the
 next month or so!
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RE: Web Analytics

2005-02-07 Thread Martin Parry
Through the couple of hours I've been fiddling with Urchin it has a load
balanced section in there - and you can split it down too..

Also very easy to configure from a CF App too - Create an XML file,
execute a command line and it imports your new site.. Niiice.

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Sent: 07 February 2005 13:40
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Web Analytics

I'm trying to find the same thing, but I have the opposite problem. I
have a single site load-balanced across seven servers. I need
something that can work with the logs of each individually and in
aggregate.


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Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Rick Root
Dick Applebaum wrote:
 
 The Report Generation is win-only, which kind of works against the run 
 anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation  deployment. 
 Bummer!

Is report generation windows only?  I'm pretty sure not.  The report 
BUILDER is Windows only.

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RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-07 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:16 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions
 
 How about that CherryOS for Mac Emulation!

I don't know - how about it?

Since you can't download, buy, see or otherwise do anything with the
software it's hard to judge.  ;^)

PearPC is available.  While it does, indeed, work it's much too slow at this
stage to actually do any work.

But I'm hopeful.  Maybe by the summer one of these two will actually be
ready for semi-primetime.

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RE: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread James Holmes
Thanks for reminding me of that. There goes one of the selling points for
the 4x enterprise licences I'm suggesting to our organisation.

It just reinforces the perception that UNIX (including Solaris) users have
always been the second priority as far as CF is concerned.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, 7 February 2005 9:36 
To: CF-Talk
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anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation  deployment. 
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RE: CFMX 7 pricing

2005-02-07 Thread Micha Schopman
But how does this model work with dual core processors? 

Micha Schopman
Software Engineer

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-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 15:20
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 pricing

1 server, 2 cpus

-Original Message-
From: Doug James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX 7 pricing

morning coffee=none

On
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/product_editi
ons/
#s3 the pricing is 
all $xxx/2 CPUs. Does that mean the price is good for a server with up
to
2 cpus, your license 
covers 2 cpu (possible on 2 servers), or the actual price is $xxx
multiplied
by 2?

/morning

Thanks.

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RE: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Tim Blair
  WHO IS THE EXTRA 1000 QUID FOR?

 VAT?   (value added tax (sales tax) for those outside the UK)

My guess is that those prices are exclusive of VAT, which makes things
even more expensive for non-VAT registered individuals/companies.

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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

2005-02-07 Thread Vince Bonfanti
Yes, sourceless deployment is supported in the BlueDragon standard edition
(BlueDragon Server JX). It's not supported in the BlueDragon free edition.

Vince Bonfanti
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 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:01 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released
 
 Just looking at the link you posted and Wicked - we get 
 CFML support as part of the standard edition - that's amazing 
 :S, thanks MM
 
 I does look like a pretty measly feature set in comparison. 
 But there is some great functionality in the standard 
 edition. I think it's a bit of a poor show keeping some 
 things like event gateways out and I think it could stifle 
 growth in development of these gateways by excluding it from 
 the masses.
 
 As far as sourceless deployment being excluded - I too was 
 hoping for this as I sub-licence my CMS to other people and 
 want to keep the code secret. Does this come as with 
 BlueDragon as standard? Hey ho, time to go sell a Kidney to 
 get the Enterprise version.
  
 Martin Parry
 Macromedia Certified Developer
 http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 07 February 2005 03:55
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released
 
 OK sure -- I was simply looking at the check marks here:
 http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/prod
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Re: CF demo apps on a CD?

2005-02-07 Thread Aaron Rouse
We talked to New Atlanta about doing this sometime ago.  It is
certainly possibly with their product and they seemed willing to help
work on the cost of things in regards to licensing.


On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:41:14 -0800, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mike
 
 You can do that today withCFEverywhere, using  BlueDragon J2ee
 
 It is technically possible with CFMX 7, except it does a file write
 during startup (validating the License).  If Macromedia would/has
 resolved this then it will work.
 
 The second issue is licensing/pricing/redistro.  AFAIK, Macromedia has
 no plans to offer this for CFMX7-- Several of us have lobbied pretty
 hard for it!
 
 New Atlanta has a flexible policy for BDj2ee-- Phil Cruz has one
 CFEverywhere product, CFCDoc, where he redistros BDj2ee in an app
 costing $29 (maybe $39)
 
 I don't know the details of Phil's arrangement, but New Atlanta people
 have expressed a willingness to do what it takes-- give them a call!
 
 Phil  I have tried to gather everything CFEverywhere at a
 forum/blog/links at his site:
 
 http://philcruz.com/cfeverywhere/
 
 the DJ article is linked there as well.
 
 while you are at the site, visit Phil's blog and help him win a Mac mini
 
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RE: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Calvin Ward
I thought report generation was independent of the writer and could be run
anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released

Thanks for reminding me of that. There goes one of the selling points for
the 4x enterprise licences I'm suggesting to our organisation.

It just reinforces the perception that UNIX (including Solaris) users have
always been the second priority as far as CF is concerned.

-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 7 February 2005 9:36 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 is released
[snip]
The Report Generation is win-only, which kind of works against the run
anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation  deployment. 
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Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Aaron Rouse
That was my understanding as well.

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:30:34 -0500, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Is report generation windows only?  I'm pretty sure not.  The report
 BUILDER is Windows only.
 
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Re: CFMX 7 pricing

2005-02-07 Thread Adam Haskell
Important to point out 1 server...the old license was written in a way
that allowed the product to run on 2 cpus, 2 single cpu servers, not
the case annymore..1 Server upto 2 cpus/license.

Adam H


On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:20:26 -0500, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 1 server, 2 cpus
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Doug James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:00 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: CFMX 7 pricing
 
 morning coffee=none
 
 On
 http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/product_editions/
 #s3 the pricing is
 all $xxx/2 CPUs. Does that mean the price is good for a server with up to
 2 cpus, your license
 covers 2 cpu (possible on 2 servers), or the actual price is $xxx multiplied
 by 2?
 
 /morning
 
 Thanks.
 
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 Hollings Cancer Center
 http://hcc.musc.edu
 
 

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RE: CFMX 7 pricing

2005-02-07 Thread Calvin Ward
Two dual core processors should be 2 CPUs from my understanding.

-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 pricing

But how does this model work with dual core processors? 

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-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 15:20
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 pricing

1 server, 2 cpus

-Original Message-
From: Doug James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX 7 pricing

morning coffee=none

On
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/product_editi
ons/
#s3 the pricing is 
all $xxx/2 CPUs. Does that mean the price is good for a server with up
to
2 cpus, your license 
covers 2 cpu (possible on 2 servers), or the actual price is $xxx
multiplied
by 2?

/morning

Thanks.

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RE: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Stefan
Hi Ben,

We have been complaining about this for years - even to people quite high up
the chains. General feedback has been destructive and not good for our own
business - some at MM punish you if you ask those kind of questions as it
cuts into their revenue goals. But as I can see that we are not alone here
and a more open approach to this topic is needed.

Happy to provide you with further insight offlist - if you are interested.

Stefan

Dr. Stefan Salzbrunn
Geschäftsführer

InterLake - The Web Enabler
Friedrichshafen   München   Berlin   New York

Email: salzbrunn at interlake.net

-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 07:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price

Martin,

Honestly, I was not aware of this until I saw the thread here. I'll ping the
team on this one.

--- Ben

 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 Price

Hopefully Ben Forta's listening in on this one... What are your thoughts, or
can you get someone at MM to at least clarify why there is such a difference
or at least let us buy it from the states :)

Martin Parry
Macromedia Certified Developer
http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk


-Original Message-
From: Allan - CFUG Spain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 February 2005 11:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 Price

Its not just uk though its everyone, and the difference is not just a few
pounds / euros its 1000 pounds and 1300 euros.

Its just NOT justifiable.

Spain has very low use of CF and i'm afraid it's going to stay that way.






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RE: null null The error occurred on line -1.

2005-02-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Could be a template with zero length? Or maybe a corrupt one?



-Original Message-
From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 07 February 2005 14:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: null null The error occurred on line -1.

Anybody know what this error (reporting by error.Diagnostics) means?

null null 
The error occurred on line -1.

We got a four of them before a CFMX server stopped responding, but they were
spread out over a few minutes.  I don't know if it is directly related to
the seize up or not, but it sure looks funny.

Thanks
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Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Adam Haskell
I beleive Rick is correct. The report builder is only for Windows. But
the stuff it generates, unless it has changed since I looked, is not
encoded and can be edited...in otherwords someone could build thier
own report builder for other platforms...or maybe even a CFAnywhere
app (cough cough hint hint). The report generation makes use of the
Jasper Project which is Java based if I recall correctly so it should
run on all CF supported platforms. Corrections to my comments are
welcome :)


Adam H 


On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:30:34 -0500, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dick Applebaum wrote:
 
  The Report Generation is win-only, which kind of works against the run
  anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation  deployment.
  Bummer!
 
 Is report generation windows only?  I'm pretty sure not.  The report
 BUILDER is Windows only.
 
  - Rick
 
 

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Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Rick Root
James Holmes wrote:
 Thanks for reminding me of that. There goes one of the selling points for
 the 4x enterprise licences I'm suggesting to our organisation.
 
 It just reinforces the perception that UNIX (including Solaris) users have
 always been the second priority as far as CF is concerned.

I'm sure someone will pipe in who is 100% certain, but I'm 99% certain 
that report generation is available on ALL platforms.

  - Rick

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Re: CFMX 7 Price

2005-02-07 Thread Keith Gaughan
Neil Middleton wrote:

 VAT? (value added tax (sales tax) for those outside the UK)

That's still an awful lot of VAT, more than the rates either
here (Ireland) or the UK.

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Testing... Disregard this message...

2005-02-07 Thread Troy Simpson
Enjoy...

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RE: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Micha Schopman
Yes, reports can be run everywhere, as opposite to creating reports.

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-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 15:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released

I thought report generation was independent of the writer and could be
run
anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released

Thanks for reminding me of that. There goes one of the selling points
for
the 4x enterprise licences I'm suggesting to our organisation.

It just reinforces the perception that UNIX (including Solaris) users
have
always been the second priority as far as CF is concerned.

-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 7 February 2005 9:36 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 is released
[snip]
The Report Generation is win-only, which kind of works against the run
anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation  deployment. 
Bummer!





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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

2005-02-07 Thread Calvin Ward
It appears Sourceless deployment is supported in CFMX 7 Developer Edition as
well (free).

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

Yes, sourceless deployment is supported in the BlueDragon standard edition
(BlueDragon Server JX). It's not supported in the BlueDragon free edition.

Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:01 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released
 
 Just looking at the link you posted and Wicked - we get 
 CFML support as part of the standard edition - that's amazing 
 :S, thanks MM
 
 I does look like a pretty measly feature set in comparison. 
 But there is some great functionality in the standard 
 edition. I think it's a bit of a poor show keeping some 
 things like event gateways out and I think it could stifle 
 growth in development of these gateways by excluding it from 
 the masses.
 
 As far as sourceless deployment being excluded - I too was 
 hoping for this as I sub-licence my CMS to other people and 
 want to keep the code secret. Does this come as with 
 BlueDragon as standard? Hey ho, time to go sell a Kidney to 
 get the Enterprise version.
  
 Martin Parry
 Macromedia Certified Developer
 http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 07 February 2005 03:55
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released
 
 OK sure -- I was simply looking at the check marks here:
 http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/prod
 uct_editio
 ns/






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RE: CFMX 7 pricing

2005-02-07 Thread Dave Watts
 But how does this model work with dual core processors?

My understanding is that it's the same as it's been with CFMX 6.1 - each
physical processor is considered 1 CPU.

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RE: null null The error occurred on line -1.

2005-02-07 Thread Dave Watts
 Anybody know what this error (reporting by error.Diagnostics) 
 means?
 
 null null
 The error occurred on line -1.
 
 We got a four of them before a CFMX server stopped 
 responding, but they were spread out over a few minutes.  I 
 don't know if it is directly related to the seize up or not, 
 but it sure looks funny.

I suspect this might be your problem:

http://www.petefreitag.com/item/163.cfm

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Re: null null The error occurred on line -1.

2005-02-07 Thread Andy Allan
Try the following link
http://www.talkingtree.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=25AA76D1-45A6-2844-747665275D126545


On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:34:20 -, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Could be a template with zero length? Or maybe a corrupt one?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 07 February 2005 14:26
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: null null The error occurred on line -1.
 
 Anybody know what this error (reporting by error.Diagnostics) means?
 
 null null
 The error occurred on line -1.
 
 We got a four of them before a CFMX server stopped responding, but they were
 spread out over a few minutes.  I don't know if it is directly related to
 the seize up or not, but it sure looks funny.
 
 Thanks
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CFFORM and browser compatibility

2005-02-07 Thread Damien McKenna
I was wondering what everyone's experiences were with CFFORM data
validation and browser compatibility?  Has anyone noticed any problems
using it?  I tend to avoid using JavaScript unless absolutely necessary
but am considering trying it to aid with data validation.
 
-- 
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#include stdjoke.h
 


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RE: CFMX 7 pricing

2005-02-07 Thread Calvin Ward
However, in 6.1 you could split a 2 CPU license between 2 machines with 1
CPU each, you cannot do that in 7.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 pricing

 But how does this model work with dual core processors?

My understanding is that it's the same as it's been with CFMX 6.1 - each
physical processor is considered 1 CPU.

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RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-07 Thread Damien McKenna
 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Merrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 - Do you serve different style sheets or pages depending on 
 the browser and version? How many?

Nope.  I have one CSS file for screen display (and another for printing)
that is designed for IE 5.5 and Firefox.  If you view our websites with
an unsupported browser (old IE, Netscape, etc) then you get a nice
little message telling you that you are using an unsupported web browser
with a link to a long page explaining the reasons behind it and listing
suggestions.

 - Are you coding to W3C standards? Which one(s)? How much 
 does that actually help your pages be more universally compatible?

I try to stick to XHTML 1.0 Strict whereever I can.

 - It doesn't appear that you can have multiple versions of IE 
 installed on the same machine.

Yes you can :-)  Google for simultaneous IE versions.  You just can't
have them running simultaneously, but they can all be installed.

 - Do you have mac, linux and pc browser test machines?

We've got an OSX machine which I do occasional Safari tests with.
That's about it.

 - For general public sites, what do you consider a reasonable list of
 browsers and versions that you need to support?

I start with Firefox and massage the output to work in other browsers.
I suggest IE 5.5 at the oldest if you do lots of fancy CSS positioning,
otherwise IE5 should be able to still do most of what you need.  Then do
an occasional check with Opera, and Safari if you can.
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Re: CFFORM and browser compatibility

2005-02-07 Thread Rick Root
Damien McKenna wrote:
 I was wondering what everyone's experiences were with CFFORM data
 validation and browser compatibility?  Has anyone noticed any problems
 using it?  I tend to avoid using JavaScript unless absolutely necessary
 but am considering trying it to aid with data validation.

I always use CFFORM validation or some other form of javascript form 
validation in addition to back-end form validation.

The javascript form validation makes things easier on the end user.

I haven't noticed any browser incompatibilities with CFFORM's built in 
form validation...

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cfhttp and cookies...

2005-02-07 Thread Troy Simpson
From a ColdFusion Application Server, I need to make an http POST
request to another webserver on behalf of the client browser.  The
results comes from the remote webserver in a cookie.  How can I get
that cookie value?

For example:
cfhttp url=https://www.website.com/bin/calc.cgi?add; port=80
method=post resolveurl=no useragent=MyColdFusionServer
charset=iso-8859-1 getasbinary=auto
  cfhttpparam type=formfield name=x value=100 /
  cfhttpparam type=formfield name=y value=200 /
/cfhttp

I should get a cookie back with the value of 300, but I do not see any
cookies when I use cfdump to dump the values in cfhttp.  In the cfhttp
Structure, I get Charset, ErrorDetail, Filecontent, Header, Mimetype,
Responseheader, Statuscode, and Text.

None of these fields have the Result Cookie that I am looking for.

I have found an example that is giving me the problem.  If I telnet to
a webserver and get the HEAD of a document, I can two cookies listed. 
Here is a real life example you can try:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]telnet webapps.lib.ncsu.edu 80
Trying 152.1.79.69...
Connected to appsvr.lib.ncsu.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD /insidewood HTTP/1.1
Host:webapps.lib.ncsu.edu

HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 14:39:55 GMT
Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Unix) JRun/4.0
Set-cookie: WRAP_REFERER=http://webapps.lib.ncsu.edu/insidewood;
path=/; domain=.ncsu.edu
Set-cookie: WRAP16=.LOGOUT+NOUSER+NOAFFIL+152.1.79.69; path=/; domain=.ncsu.edu
Location: https://webauth.ncsu.edu/wrap-bin/was16.cgi?affil
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

Connection closed by foreign host.

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RE: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions

2005-02-07 Thread Damien McKenna
 -Original Message-
 From: Russ Unger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 And yes, the argument is there for cost savings, etc. but the first
time
 you find yourself spending 2 days trying to make something work across
 browsers using only XHTML and CSS when you could have performed the
same
 task with a table in 2 minutes...  Well, let's just say that the cost
 benefit starts to also... Diminish.

I've found that most of the problems I come across with CSS are things
that I regularly have to do, e.g. multiple columns, etc.  So I worked
out one good solution and replicate it as needed, so after the initial
day it took to get working the first time only takes a few minutes for
subsequent efforts.

There are a lot of tips and tricks out there for working with CSS, since
I learned how to use them I've stopped using tables except for...
tabular data.

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Simple exponent math question: How do I resolve this number?

2005-02-07 Thread Jon Block
Someone is giving me an xml feed where I have to use this number:

1.79769313486232E+308

How do I turn that into a regualr numeric number in coldfusion?

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RE: authentication schemes.

2005-02-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Why not build a form-based authentication scheme and ignore the browser's 
functionality?  Then, use SSL to protect the connection.

Because we are also trying to proctect the un/pw from the PROGRAMMERS.  With 
the form based model, a programmer could theoretically slip a back door in and 
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RE: CFFORM and browser compatibility

2005-02-07 Thread Calvin Ward
Which version? 5, 6.1 or 7?

:P

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Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFFORM and browser compatibility

I was wondering what everyone's experiences were with CFFORM data
validation and browser compatibility?  Has anyone noticed any problems
using it?  I tend to avoid using JavaScript unless absolutely necessary
but am considering trying it to aid with data validation.
 
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RE: CFFORM and browser compatibility

2005-02-07 Thread Micha Schopman
Why do you avoid it, browser statistics show that almost every user has
javascript enabled.

I personally use Javascript extensive. Form validation is done with
Javascript and if the support is there, xmlHttpRequest, and only then I
will check values serverside. It saves client a lot of time if you can
provide them with rapid solutions to form validation issues.


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Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 16:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFFORM and browser compatibility

I was wondering what everyone's experiences were with CFFORM data
validation and browser compatibility?  Has anyone noticed any problems
using it?  I tend to avoid using JavaScript unless absolutely necessary
but am considering trying it to aid with data validation.
 
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Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

2005-02-07 Thread Dave Carabetta
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:00:32 -0500, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It appears Sourceless deployment is supported in CFMX 7 Developer Edition as
 well (free).
 

Here's the breakdown:

Pre-compiled and Sourceless Deployment:
Free across all versions of ColdFusion MX 7. However, this feature is
not backwards-compatible with CFMX 6.1 or earlier (you'll just get the
bytecode your browser in those versions in my testing).

EAR/WAR Packaging:
Free across all version of CFMX 7 to *create* the EAR/WAR package.
However, the ability to *deploy* the package is a Enterprise Edition
feature only. Why? Simple. Enterprise Edition is the only version that
runs on a full J2EE server (standalone runs on a chopped down
version of JRun, which is to say that it only has the features of JRun
necessary to run CFMX and MX-related tasks), and deploying EAR/WAR
packages needs a full J2EE server to work (this is true of any J2EE
server, not a JRun requirement).

Regards,
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ColdFusion product subscription?

2005-02-07 Thread Damien McKenna
Let me get this straight.  CFMX came out three years ago.  Product
subscription covers all upgrades for two years.  You can get product
updates for free.  So why would you spend almost double the cost of the
Standard MX-upgrade price when history has shown that there quite
probably won't be another product upgrade within the life of the
subscription?  Just doesn't make sense to me.
 
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RE: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Damien McKenna
 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 What's not wicked is that the majority of cool features seem to be
 Enterprise only.

What I see that IMHO should be in the Standard edition are the
multithreaded architecture and event gateway.  The rest are IMHO just
fine as they are.

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RE: ColdFusion product subscription?

2005-02-07 Thread Ian Skinner
But many companies may not have upgraded until the last year or so, for them, 
it would make sense.  Especially with the well publicized lead up to CF7.


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Subject: ColdFusion product subscription?

Let me get this straight.  CFMX came out three years ago.  Product
subscription covers all upgrades for two years.  You can get product
updates for free.  So why would you spend almost double the cost of the
Standard MX-upgrade price when history has shown that there quite
probably won't be another product upgrade within the life of the
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Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Feb 7, 2005, at 6:30 AM, Rick Root wrote:

 Dick Applebaum wrote:

 The Report Generation is win-only, which kind of works against the run
 anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation  
 deployment.
 Bummer!

 Is report generation windows only?  I'm pretty sure not.  The report
 BUILDER is Windows only.

   - Rick


You are correct, the Report Builder is what I meant (I didn't say 
pubic, tho).

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Re: Simple exponent math question: How do I resolve this number?

2005-02-07 Thread Dave Carabetta
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:24:35 -0500, Jon Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Someone is giving me an xml feed where I have to use this number:
 
 1.79769313486232E+308
 
 How do I turn that into a regualr numeric number in coldfusion?
 

We used a combination of the isScientific UDF at cflib.org
(http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=706) to first detect if it's a
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RE: authentication schemes.

2005-02-07 Thread Dave Watts
 Because we are also trying to proctect the un/pw from the 
 PROGRAMMERS.  With the form based model, a programmer could 
 theoretically slip a back door in and capture this data and 
 do nafarious things.  Sometimes I wounder if management here 
 think we are the NSA or something.

My goodness, that's ridiculous. If you run a programmer's code without
auditing every line of source code, you are in essence trusting that
programmer. I could just as easily slip a back door into code that uses
browser authentication as I could into code that uses forms-based
authentication, I think. Keep in mind that, by default, CF code runs as
SYSTEM on Windows servers.

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RE: CFFORM and browser compatibility

2005-02-07 Thread Calvin Ward
JavaScript validation improves user experience, server side validation
ensures data integrity. One should choose both :)

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM and browser compatibility

Why do you avoid it, browser statistics show that almost every user has
javascript enabled.

I personally use Javascript extensive. Form validation is done with
Javascript and if the support is there, xmlHttpRequest, and only then I
will check values serverside. It saves client a lot of time if you can
provide them with rapid solutions to form validation issues.


Micha Schopman
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From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 16:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFFORM and browser compatibility

I was wondering what everyone's experiences were with CFFORM data
validation and browser compatibility?  Has anyone noticed any problems
using it?  I tend to avoid using JavaScript unless absolutely necessary
but am considering trying it to aid with data validation.
 
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Re: Simple exponent math question: How do I resolve this number?

2005-02-07 Thread Ben Doom
Of course, it should be pointed out that that number has 309 digits in 
it.  Kinda unweildly.

--Ben

Dave Carabetta wrote:
 On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:24:35 -0500, Jon Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Someone is giving me an xml feed where I have to use this number:

1.79769313486232E+308

How do I turn that into a regualr numeric number in coldfusion?

 
 
 We used a combination of the isScientific UDF at cflib.org
 (http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=706) to first detect if it's a
 scientific number. If it was we simply applied the numberFormat()
 function to it to get it down to a valid-length number to store in our
 database.
 
 Hope that helps?
 
 Regards,
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Re: null null The error occurred on line -1.

2005-02-07 Thread Bert Dawson
We used to be plagued with null null errors, followed by server
hanging or restarting every hour during busy periods.
We fixed it by setting Max Pooled Statements on the advanced dsn
page in cfadmin to zero.
MM are still trying to figure out why we were getting this, so i
suppose its unlikely to be the same problem.
But its worth a try.
(preferably before embarking on weeks of tweaking around with various
java settings, garbage collection, trawling through a 5 years in the
making codebase looking for problems)

Cheers
Bert

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:26:24 -0500, Gaulin, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anybody know what this error (reporting by error.Diagnostics) means?
 
 null null
 The error occurred on line -1.
 
 We got a four of them before a CFMX server stopped responding, but they were 
 spread out over a few minutes.  I don't know if it is directly related to the 
 seize up or not, but it sure looks funny.
 
 Thanks
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RE: authentication schemes.

2005-02-07 Thread Ian Skinner
My goodness, that's ridiculous. If you run a programmer's code without
auditing every line of source code, you are in essence trusting that
programmer. I could just as easily slip a back door into code that uses
browser authentication as I could into code that uses forms-based
authentication, I think. Keep in mind that, by default, CF code runs as
SYSTEM on Windows servers.

That's my opionion as well, but they aren't taking my word for it, but I think 
I'm making some progress by example.  Can you give me in idea of how a back 
door that got to the browser authentication might look.  I suspected that was 
possible, but don't know enough to show how it is possible.

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I'm back! Which v7 to download?

2005-02-07 Thread Ryan Kime
It's been a while since I've been on here (last May I think) - it feels good
to be back.
 
Question about the versions: I'm sitting here at the download screen looking
at the Developer Version dropdown box: which one should I get? I'm on XP
Pro, but there's a significant size difference between the windows and the
J2EE version. What's required on the J2EE version and why the size
difference? I'm running the plain jane Developer's version of 6.1.
 
Also, which version should Mac users download? J2EE?
 
 
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Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Feb 7, 2005, at 6:40 AM, Adam Haskell wrote:

 I beleive Rick is correct. The report builder is only for Windows. But
 the stuff it generates, unless it has changed since I looked, is not
 encoded and can be edited...in otherwords someone could build thier
 own report builder for other platforms...or maybe even a CFAnywhere
 app (cough cough hint hint). The report generation makes use of the
 Jasper Project which is Java based if I recall correctly so it should
 run on all CF supported platforms. Corrections to my comments are
 welcome :)


Mmm... Since it is win-only i never found the time to look into it.  I 
did dload Jasper, but like Lucene before it, I never found the time to 
persue it.

With the Jasper ancestry, might be possible to offer the equivalent of  
the Report Builder to other platforms.

Good points!

Dick



 Adam H


 On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:30:34 -0500, Rick Root 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dick Applebaum wrote:

 The Report Generation is win-only, which kind of works against the 
 run
 anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation  
 deployment.
 Bummer!

 Is report generation windows only?  I'm pretty sure not.  The report
 BUILDER is Windows only.

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RE: null null The error occurred on line -1.

2005-02-07 Thread Ryan Duckworth
Setting Max Pooled Statements is a very good change b/c it solves other
problems too.  If you make a change to your DB and are using SQL Server
2K and it's driver, you will get errors if you change a tables structure
w/out resetting the data source in the CF Admin.

By setting the Max Pooled Statements to 0, you don't have to reset the
data source.

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-Original Message-
From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: null null The error occurred on line -1.

We used to be plagued with null null errors, followed by server
hanging or restarting every hour during busy periods.
We fixed it by setting Max Pooled Statements on the advanced dsn
page in cfadmin to zero.
MM are still trying to figure out why we were getting this, so i
suppose its unlikely to be the same problem.
But its worth a try.
(preferably before embarking on weeks of tweaking around with various
java settings, garbage collection, trawling through a 5 years in the
making codebase looking for problems)

Cheers
Bert

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:26:24 -0500, Gaulin, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Anybody know what this error (reporting by error.Diagnostics) means?
 
 null null
 The error occurred on line -1.
 
 We got a four of them before a CFMX server stopped responding, but
they were spread out over a few minutes.  I don't know if it is directly
related to the seize up or not, but it sure looks funny.
 
 Thanks
 Mark


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OT: Flex + CF Position in Montreal, Canada

2005-02-07 Thread Stacy Young
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RE: I'm back! Which v7 to download?

2005-02-07 Thread Dave Watts
 Question about the versions: I'm sitting here at the download 
 screen looking at the Developer Version dropdown box: which 
 one should I get? I'm on XP Pro, but there's a significant 
 size difference between the windows and the J2EE version. 
 What's required on the J2EE version and why the size 
 difference? I'm running the plain jane Developer's version of 6.1.

Unless you've already installed a J2EE server, you'll want to install the
Windows version, which contains JRun.
 
 Also, which version should Mac users download? J2EE?

Yes, I think so. In that case, I think you'll need to first install JRun or
another J2EE application server.

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Re: CFFORM and browser compatibility

2005-02-07 Thread Rick Root
Calvin Ward wrote:
 JavaScript validation improves user experience, server side validation
 ensures data integrity. One should choose both :)

Absolutely, not using server side validation is just asking for trouble =)

  - rick

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Spam: Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Paul Hastings
Dick Applebaum wrote:
 With the Jasper ancestry, might be possible to offer the equivalent of  
 the Report Builder to other platforms.

there's a commericial eclipse plugin to build jasper reports though i'm 
not sure if blackstone will handle it's report files.

http://www.jasperassistant.com/

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RE: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Jacob
Cool! Now where can I download MX 7 since I have the two year subscription?

I do not see it under my account.

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX 7 is released

Go get it!
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/

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Re: ColdFusion product subscription?

2005-02-07 Thread Rick Root
Damien McKenna wrote:
 Let me get this straight.  CFMX came out three years ago.  Product
 subscription covers all upgrades for two years.  You can get product
 updates for free.  So why would you spend almost double the cost of the
 Standard MX-upgrade price when history has shown that there quite
 probably won't be another product upgrade within the life of the
 subscription?  Just doesn't make sense to me.

We renewed our subscription last year.

I think the cost of two subscriptions for enterprise is still less than 
one license.

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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

2005-02-07 Thread Micha Schopman
Why would it break on CFMX6.1 ? .. that is odd, since it is compiled to
java bytecode. 

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-Original Message-
From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 16:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is
released)

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:00:32 -0500, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It appears Sourceless deployment is supported in CFMX 7 Developer
Edition as
 well (free).
 

Here's the breakdown:

Pre-compiled and Sourceless Deployment:
Free across all versions of ColdFusion MX 7. However, this feature is
not backwards-compatible with CFMX 6.1 or earlier (you'll just get the
bytecode your browser in those versions in my testing).

EAR/WAR Packaging:
Free across all version of CFMX 7 to *create* the EAR/WAR package.
However, the ability to *deploy* the package is a Enterprise Edition
feature only. Why? Simple. Enterprise Edition is the only version that
runs on a full J2EE server (standalone runs on a chopped down
version of JRun, which is to say that it only has the features of JRun
necessary to run CFMX and MX-related tasks), and deploying EAR/WAR
packages needs a full J2EE server to work (this is true of any J2EE
server, not a JRun requirement).

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RE: CFFORM and browser compatibility

2005-02-07 Thread Micha Schopman
That is what I meant. Validate first on the clientside, then validate on
the serverside. Don't trust user input ever. The addressbar of a browser
is like a candystore.

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From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 16:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM and browser compatibility

JavaScript validation improves user experience, server side validation
ensures data integrity. One should choose both :)

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM and browser compatibility

Why do you avoid it, browser statistics show that almost every user has
javascript enabled.

I personally use Javascript extensive. Form validation is done with
Javascript and if the support is there, xmlHttpRequest, and only then I
will check values serverside. It saves client a lot of time if you can
provide them with rapid solutions to form validation issues.


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From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 16:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFFORM and browser compatibility

I was wondering what everyone's experiences were with CFFORM data
validation and browser compatibility?  Has anyone noticed any problems
using it?  I tend to avoid using JavaScript unless absolutely necessary
but am considering trying it to aid with data validation.
 
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RE: Solution - NOAA Weather Forecast via CFMX Web Service

2005-02-07 Thread Ian Skinner
I have been playing with this web service.  I have found that I have had to 
make sure any server I've used this on had the 6.1 updater applied.  Ultimately 
I would like to use this on our shared hosted server.  The initial tests I've 
done have not worked.  But when contacted, the host says their server is 
completely updated.

Can somebody point out the exact hot fix that solved whatever the root problem 
was with using web services such as this?


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Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Solution - NOAA Weather Forcast via CFMX Web Service

I downloaded your CFC and copied the sample code from your web site.

When I run the page, I get the following error:

Could not perform web service invocation NDFDgenByDay because
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: argument type mismatch

The error appears to be related to the format argument.  At least,
that is what CF has highlighted.

-Original Message-
From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 4:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Solution - NOAA Weather Forcast via CFMX Web Service

CF'ers,

I figured out the problem that everybody was talking about in a previous
thread from earlier in the month. This email describes how to make it
work.

The problem that (I think) everybody was having is that they forgot that
web services are strongly typed but ColdFusion is not. That means you
can't pass a string into an array of bits. You can use my simple CFC
interface to all of this at
(http://www.jonathanblock.com/pineapple/noaa.html) or you can do it
yourself like I have in the example below...

(example.cfm)

CFPARAM NAME=WAVEH   DEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=maxtDEFAULT=true  type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=mintDEFAULT=true  type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=tempDEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=dew DEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=pop12   DEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=qpf DEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=snowDEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=sky DEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=wspdDEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=wdirDEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=wx  DEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=icons   DEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=waveh   DEFAULT=false type=boolean
CFPARAM NAME=startDate   DEFAULT=#CreateDate(2005, 1, 17)#
type=date
CFPARAM NAME=numDays DEFAULT=2
type=numeric
CFPARAM NAME=format  DEFAULT=24 hourly
type=string
cfset strWeatherParameters = STRUCTNEW() /
cfset strWeatherParameters.WAVEH   = WAVEH /
cfset strWeatherParameters.maxt= maxt /
cfset strWeatherParameters.mint= mint /
cfset strWeatherParameters.temp= temp /
cfset strWeatherParameters.dew = dew /
cfset strWeatherParameters.pop12   = pop12 /
cfset strWeatherParameters.qpf = qpf /
cfset strWeatherParameters.snow= snow /
cfset strWeatherParameters.sky = sky /
cfset strWeatherParameters.wspd= wspd /
cfset strWeatherParameters.wdir= wdir /
cfset strWeatherParameters.wx  = wx /
cfset strWeatherParameters.icons   = icons /
cfset strWeatherParameters.waveh   = waveh /
cfinvoke
webservice  =
http://weather.gov/forecasts/xml/DWMLgen/wsdl/ndfdXML.wsdl;
method  = NDFDgenByDay
returnvariable  = xmlWeatherData
cfinvokeargument name=latitude
value=42.3485/
cfinvokeargument name=longitude
value=-71.0733/
cfinvokeargument name=startDate
value=#startDate#/
cfinvokeargument name=numDays
value=#numDays#/
cfinvokeargument name=format
value=#format#/
/cfinvoke
cfset weatherXMLobject = XMLParse(xmlWeatherData) / CFDUMP
VAR=#weatherXMLobject#


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Re: authentication schemes.

2005-02-07 Thread Ben Doom
Use cffile to pull a 'secure' static document from a directory locked in 
IIS.

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Ian Skinner wrote:
 My goodness, that's ridiculous. If you run a programmer's code without
 auditing every line of source code, you are in essence trusting that
 programmer. I could just as easily slip a back door into code that uses
 browser authentication as I could into code that uses forms-based
 authentication, I think. Keep in mind that, by default, CF code runs as
 SYSTEM on Windows servers.
 
 That's my opionion as well, but they aren't taking my word for it, but I 
 think I'm making some progress by example.  Can you give me in idea of how a 
 back door that got to the browser authentication might look.  I suspected 
 that was possible, but don't know enough to show how it is possible.
 
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Re: I'm back! Which v7 to download?

2005-02-07 Thread Ken Wilson
Installing and Deploying ColdFusion MX 7 on Macintosh OS X

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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:05:09 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Question about the versions: I'm sitting here at the download
  screen looking at the Developer Version dropdown box: which
  one should I get? I'm on XP Pro, but there's a significant
  size difference between the windows and the J2EE version.
  What's required on the J2EE version and why the size
  difference? I'm running the plain jane Developer's version of 6.1.
 
 Unless you've already installed a J2EE server, you'll want to install the
 Windows version, which contains JRun.
 
  Also, which version should Mac users download? J2EE?
 
 Yes, I think so. In that case, I think you'll need to first install JRun or
 another J2EE application server.
 
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Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Rick Root
Dick Applebaum wrote:
 
 With the Jasper ancestry, might be possible to offer the equivalent of  
 the Report Builder to other platforms.

Well, all of the report builders for jasperreports are pure java apps... 
and they suck.

My experience with the windows-based report builder was *MUCH* nicer 
than my experience with iReport (the only report builder for jasper that 
I could actually get to run).

I'd rather see a solid, easy to use Windows-based report builder than a 
buggy, slow, processor-hog, java-based report builder.

But maybe that's because my primary platform is Windows and I'm biased.

I'm sure that Macromedia realized that the vast majority of developers 
are using windows machines or have access to a Windows machine, even in 
worlds where they deploy to Linux, Solaris, etc..

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Hot fixes

2005-02-07 Thread Eric Creese
Ok I installed the 6.1 updater this weekend. Is there a complete list of hot 
fixes I need to also install? I looked but I missed.

 

 


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RE: authentication schemes.

2005-02-07 Thread Dawson, Michael
The easiest is to use:

cfdump var=#cgi#

This will dump the username and password, as well as gobs of other
stuff, in clear text.  (Not sure how this works with SSL, however. I
haven't tried it.) 

More realistically, in the Application.cfm, I would add the following
code:

cfmail to=[EMAIL PROTECTED] from=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
subject=password
#cgi.auth_user# : #cgi.auth_password#
/cfmail

Obviously, this code could be hidden deep down in CFCs, includes, etc.

M!ke

That's my opionion as well, but they aren't taking my word for it, but
I think I'm making some progress by example.  Can you give me in idea of
how a back door that got to the browser authentication might look.  I
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possible.

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Re: Spam: Re: CFMX 7 is released

2005-02-07 Thread Rick Root
Paul Hastings wrote:
 
 there's a commericial eclipse plugin to build jasper reports though i'm 
 not sure if blackstone will handle it's report files.
 
 http://www.jasperassistant.com/

My discussions with some of the engineers at MAX leads me to believe 
no... they don't even want you hand editing the .cfr file to make minor 
adjustments.

Plus, I'm pretty sure that Macromedia made at least some, if not many, 
changes to the DTD.

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