Re: verity cfm8 download

[Dave l]

i got it

you gotta dig through afew verity folders to find the k2admin.exe file and 
start it

>thanks Dave :)
>
>there is a verity folder in the install a but its not runing as a service
>nor can I get it too.
>there is a verity-install.bat file but it says it cant install it as a
>service. There is also an install log and I don't see any errors in it.
>
>
>
>> 

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Re: What's not secure?

[James Holmes]

I got the same thing on Firefox (mismatched cert/domain).

On 8/30/07, Brian Kotek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An alert just popped up and told me, then asked if I wanted to accept it and
> continue or not. I'm using Firefox.
>
> On 8/29/07, Matthew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > How did you access this info?  I may need to get with their tech support
> > so I need to know.  Thanks for the help!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:38 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: What's not secure?
> >
> > The error I see is that the certificate sent by Google doesn't match the
> > name (one says www.google-analytics.com and the other says
> > www.google.com).

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Re: What's not secure?

[Brian Kotek]

An alert just popped up and told me, then asked if I wanted to accept it and
continue or not. I'm using Firefox.

On 8/29/07, Matthew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How did you access this info?  I may need to get with their tech support
> so I need to know.  Thanks for the help!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: What's not secure?
>
> The error I see is that the certificate sent by Google doesn't match the
> name (one says www.google-analytics.com and the other says
> www.google.com).
>
> On 8/29/07, Matthew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to get a page to load through https, but I get the
> > notification that there are non-secure items on the page.  Everything
> on
> > the page has a relative link, except the google analytics, which I
> have
> > loading through https.  I'm getting a javascript error that seems to
> > point to the google analytics, but I have the same code running on
> > another site fine.  I can't figure out what it is.
> >
> > Is there any tool that will help you track down what portion of
> content
> > is not loading secure?
> >
> > The page is https://www.jury-duty.org 
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Epoch Time in CF off???

[Rick Root]

On 8/29/07, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On my machine (CF8 on Windows), they produce the same results.

I take that back... on my local machine running CF8 on Windows the
java method (via getTime()) and the javascript method are the same.
The coldfusion method is different by exactly 5 hours.

On my server running CFMX7 with Java 1.4.2_11, all three numbers are
different.  The java and coldfusion methods are 8 hours off, while the
javascript method and hte java method are 3 hours off.

http://www.opensourcecf.com/epoch_time.cfm

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Re: Epoch Time in CF off???

[Paul Hastings]

Mallory Woods wrote:
> I have question about CF and Epoch time.

who's epoch? java (ms since 1-jan-1970)? unix (seconds since 1-jan-1970)? cf 
(decimal days since 31-dec-1899)?

if you don't mind a little undocumented functionality to get the java epoch:


now=now();
javaEpoch=now.getTime();
writeoutput("#now# ::: #javaEpoch#");


if you need unix epoch, divide javaEpoch by 1000. if you want cf epoch:


now=now();
writeoutput("#now# ::: #decimalFormat(now)#");



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RE: CFHTTP request using my session?

[Loathe]

No.

I'll give that a try tomorrow.

Thanks guys.

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFHTTP request using my session?
> 
> > There is a confirmation screen.  The confirmation screen
> > takes url.print 0/1 to disable some layout elements and make
> > the page printer friendly.  The client would like that to now
> > be in a pdf.  I was hoping I could easily make a cfhttp call
> > and dump the result into a pdf.  However it keeps passing me
> > off to my log in, even though I am passing cfid, cftoken and
> > jsessionid in the url.
> 
> Have you tried sending those values as cookies?
> 
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RE: CFHTTP request using my session?

[Loathe]

Directly in the url.

I did figure out a work around though.

> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:13 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFHTTP request using my session?
> 
> How about using cfsavecontent around the form and doing a cfdocument
> with that content instead?
> 
> As for the jsessionid, did you add the variables via cfhttpparam or
> directly in the URL for cfhttp?
> 
> On 8/30/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The situation is this.  I have a large form used to apply for
> membership.
> > There is a confirmation screen.  The confirmation screen takes
> url.print 0/1
> > to disable some layout elements and make the page printer friendly.
> The
> > client would like that to now be in a pdf.  I was hoping I could
> easily make
> > a cfhttp call and dump the result into a pdf.  However it keeps
> passing me
> > off to my log in, even though I am passing cfid, cftoken and
> jsessionid in
> > the url.
> 
> 
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Re: CF vs. PHP

[Dave l]

actually, im not trolling, it was a serious ?

And of course its as good as who codes it but thats just the code and i'd 
imagine the issue is more about the server itself, I don't honestly know but 
would like to and thats why i asked as I have heard many people say that 
security is a big disadvantage of php. I remember some big exploits on the 
server but not exactly what they were.

Like i said, im not trolling but would like to know for my own personal benefit 
and to have the correct info.


>Security is an issue with all exposed languages??  Its only as good as the
>codemonkey writing it?  Yahoo uses PHP? Directnic Uses PHP?
>
>James I will put up some examples been really busy past couple days.
>
>Dave im sorry if I am wrong but that really appears to be a Troll Response
>
>Eric Haskins
>
>
>
>>
>> Out of curiosity, do you worry about security with php? I haven't been in
>> touch with it much lately but I have read the articles where the guy in
>> charge of trying to make php more secure quit and said it was a battle that
>> couldn't be won.
>>
>> 

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RE: What's not secure?

[Matthew Smith]

Well, I found the problem with google.  But I fixed it and I'm still
getting that it contains non-secure content...

-Original Message-
From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: What's not secure?

The error I see is that the certificate sent by Google doesn't match the
name (one says www.google-analytics.com and the other says
www.google.com).

On 8/29/07, Matthew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a page to load through https, but I get the
> notification that there are non-secure items on the page.  Everything
on
> the page has a relative link, except the google analytics, which I
have
> loading through https.  I'm getting a javascript error that seems to
> point to the google analytics, but I have the same code running on
> another site fine.  I can't figure out what it is.
>
> Is there any tool that will help you track down what portion of
content
> is not loading secure?
>
> The page is https://www.jury-duty.org 
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> 



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Re: CF vs. PHP

[Eric Haskins]

Security is an issue with all exposed languages??  Its only as good as the
codemonkey writing it?  Yahoo uses PHP? Directnic Uses PHP?

James I will put up some examples been really busy past couple days.

Dave im sorry if I am wrong but that really appears to be a Troll Response

Eric Haskins


On 8/29/07, Dave l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, do you worry about security with php? I haven't been in
> touch with it much lately but I have read the articles where the guy in
> charge of trying to make php more secure quit and said it was a battle that
> couldn't be won.
>
> 

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RE: What's not secure?

[Matthew Smith]

How did you access this info?  I may need to get with their tech support
so I need to know.  Thanks for the help!

-Original Message-
From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: What's not secure?

The error I see is that the certificate sent by Google doesn't match the
name (one says www.google-analytics.com and the other says
www.google.com).

On 8/29/07, Matthew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a page to load through https, but I get the
> notification that there are non-secure items on the page.  Everything
on
> the page has a relative link, except the google analytics, which I
have
> loading through https.  I'm getting a javascript error that seems to
> point to the google analytics, but I have the same code running on
> another site fine.  I can't figure out what it is.
>
> Is there any tool that will help you track down what portion of
content
> is not loading secure?
>
> The page is https://www.jury-duty.org 
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> 



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Re: Railo 2 Released

[Sean Corfield]

On 8/29/07, Vince Bonfanti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We're running the CFUnit tests that come with Transfer (so we also had to 
> make sure CFUnit runs on BD). BTW, Transfer will only run on the Java/J2EE 
> versions of BD; it won't run on BD.NET because Transfer relies too much on 
> Java features that aren't support by J# on .NET (such as SoftReferences).

Sounds reasonable.

> Other frameworks we're testing in BD 7.0.1 (in addition to Transfer and 
> CFUnit): ColdSpring, Reactor, and ModelGlue. Frameworks such as FuseBox, 
> Mach-II, and ColdBox are already supported in BD 7.0 (or earlier) releases. 
> We're also have Farcry 4.0.3 working on BD 7.0 (I posted a blog entry about 
> this recently).

Excellent.

> Sorry to hear that. Did we drop the ball on our end, or did you just give up? 
> Let me know if you decide to try again with BD 7.0.1.

I think it was one of those strange, unproducible errors that no one
had any ideas about. I will, of course, try BD 7.0.1, but would
request that you try the Mac install with Apple's Java 6 Developer
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Re: What's not secure?

[Brian Kotek]

The error I see is that the certificate sent by Google doesn't match the
name (one says www.google-analytics.com and the other says www.google.com).

On 8/29/07, Matthew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a page to load through https, but I get the
> notification that there are non-secure items on the page.  Everything on
> the page has a relative link, except the google analytics, which I have
> loading through https.  I'm getting a javascript error that seems to
> point to the google analytics, but I have the same code running on
> another site fine.  I can't figure out what it is.
>
> Is there any tool that will help you track down what portion of content
> is not loading secure?
>
> The page is https://www.jury-duty.org 
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> 

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What's not secure?

[Matthew Smith]

I am trying to get a page to load through https, but I get the
notification that there are non-secure items on the page.  Everything on
the page has a relative link, except the google analytics, which I have
loading through https.  I'm getting a javascript error that seems to
point to the google analytics, but I have the same code running on
another site fine.  I can't figure out what it is.
 
Is there any tool that will help you track down what portion of content
is not loading secure?
 
The page is https://www.jury-duty.org  
 
Thanks!



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Re: CF vs. PHP

[Dave l]

Out of curiosity, do you worry about security with php? I haven't been in touch 
with it much lately but I have read the articles where the guy in charge of 
trying to make php more secure quit and said it was a battle that couldn't be 
won. 

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RE: CFHTTP request using my session?

[Dave Watts]

> There is a confirmation screen.  The confirmation screen 
> takes url.print 0/1 to disable some layout elements and make 
> the page printer friendly.  The client would like that to now 
> be in a pdf.  I was hoping I could easily make a cfhttp call 
> and dump the result into a pdf.  However it keeps passing me 
> off to my log in, even though I am passing cfid, cftoken and 
> jsessionid in the url.

Have you tried sending those values as cookies?

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Re: CFHTTP request using my session?

[James Holmes]

How about using cfsavecontent around the form and doing a cfdocument
with that content instead?

As for the jsessionid, did you add the variables via cfhttpparam or
directly in the URL for cfhttp?

On 8/30/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The situation is this.  I have a large form used to apply for membership.
> There is a confirmation screen.  The confirmation screen takes url.print 0/1
> to disable some layout elements and make the page printer friendly.  The
> client would like that to now be in a pdf.  I was hoping I could easily make
> a cfhttp call and dump the result into a pdf.  However it keeps passing me
> off to my log in, even though I am passing cfid, cftoken and jsessionid in
> the url.


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CFHTTP request using my session?

[Loathe]

The situation is this.  I have a large form used to apply for membership.
There is a confirmation screen.  The confirmation screen takes url.print 0/1
to disable some layout elements and make the page printer friendly.  The
client would like that to now be in a pdf.  I was hoping I could easily make
a cfhttp call and dump the result into a pdf.  However it keeps passing me
off to my log in, even though I am passing cfid, cftoken and jsessionid in
the url.

 

Environment is CF7.

 

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Re: verity cfm8 download

[Dave]

thanks Dave :)

there is a verity folder in the install a but its not runing as a service
nor can I get it too.
there is a verity-install.bat file but it says it cant install it as a
service. There is also an install log and I don't see any errors in it.


On 8/29/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Well the deal is that hms isnt upgrading the cfmx 7 vps
> > servers to 8, you have to move to a new server, so I am
> > migrating over and I have a site that uses verity but verity
> > isnt installed and hms says it doesnt come installed and gave
> > me the link to go download it.
>
> For what it's worth, Verity is normally installed with CF, so I'm not sure
> why hms would tell you that (or why they would choose not to install
> Verity). You might root around and see if you have a Verity directory in
> your CF install anyway.
>
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RE: verity cfm8 download

[Dave Watts]

> Well the deal is that hms isnt upgrading the cfmx 7 vps 
> servers to 8, you have to move to a new server, so I am 
> migrating over and I have a site that uses verity but verity 
> isnt installed and hms says it doesnt come installed and gave 
> me the link to go download it.

For what it's worth, Verity is normally installed with CF, so I'm not sure
why hms would tell you that (or why they would choose not to install
Verity). You might root around and see if you have a Verity directory in
your CF install anyway.

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Re: verity cfm8 download

[Dave]

Well the deal is that hms isnt upgrading the cfmx 7 vps servers to 8, you
have to move to a new server, so I am migrating over and I have a site that
uses verity but verity isnt installed and hms says it doesnt come installed
and gave me the link to go download it.

The only other option that I was given was to re-install coldfusion which
really isnt an option as they just sent out a massive mailing list message
for this years new products so the site is going to be heavily used for the
next week or so. But that might be the only option

On 8/29/07, Dave l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> does anyone have a copy of the verity dl for cfm8?
> I am assuming its the same one for cfmx7 as well but the link I have to
> get it only says 7 and the the damn page doesnt work either, just times out
> after you put your serial # in.
>
> I called Adobe and got ... india... great.
> and they were no help, kept telling me how to clean up windows, reboot and
> it will work... umm yeah that helped a lot, thanx.. would you like to drain
> my cc for that wonderful advise?
>
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RE: verity cfm8 download

[Dave Watts]

> does anyone have a copy of the verity dl for cfm8? 
> I am assuming its the same one for cfmx7 as well but the link 
> I have to get it only says 7 and the the damn page doesnt 
> work either, just times out after you put your serial # in.
> 
> I called Adobe and got ... india... great.
> and they were no help, kept telling me how to clean up 
> windows, reboot and it will work... umm yeah that helped a 
> lot, thanx.. would you like to drain my cc for that wonderful advise? 

I don't know if it's available as a separate download now. Do you need this
because you want to install Verity on another machine? Or because you're
having a configuration problem with the version already installed? If the
former, you could install CF on the second machine as a temporary
workaround, perhaps, then just disable the CF service. If the latter,
there's a batch file to reconfigure Verity somewhere within the installed
files.

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

[Andrew Scott]

Railo is different...

The dump tag, generates way to much JS and there is a function generated for
each and every element that collapses.

But fair point.



On 8/30/07, stylo stylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Andrew, here's your post about Railo javascript the other day:
>
> "by the looks of the generated code it is very bloated to say the least as
> well."
>
> And now you're having a hissy fit because someone pointed out that a
> simple tab example doesn't need 258kbs? Try to read what people actually
> post, and reply somewhat objectively and civilly. If you really must insult,
> always do it with style.
>
> >>And thats nothing compared to a extJS web application I have written.
>
> I'm sure your dick is huge too ;-)
>
> 

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Re: Epoch Time in CF off???

[Rick Root]

What version of coldfusion are you running?  If CF7 or below, what
version of the JVM are you using?

Run the following code and see what the output is:


#int((foo.getTime())/1000)#
#DateDiff("s", "January 1 1970 00:00", foo)#

var foo = Date.parse('#dateFormat(foo,' d, ')#
#timeFormat(foo,'HH:mm:ss')#');
document.writeln(foo/1000);


On my machine (CF8 on Windows), they produce the same results.

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Epoch Time in CF off???

[Mallory Woods]

Hello,

I have question about CF and Epoch time.

I have some Javascript that will convert a date to Epoch time. I have set
out to re-write this with ColdFusion. I have just about everything converted
but I'm getting different results. I have also noticed that when us JS to
get Epoch time on a specific date its different that what I get when when I
do the same in ColdFusion.

Example:

pastdate = new Date(2002, 5, 11,0,0,0)

Javascript - Date.parse(pastdate) gives me this result '102376800'

Now when I run it using CF and a UDF (listed at the end of this post) I get
something totally different.

ColdFusion GetEphochTime gives me this result '1021071600'

Any ideas?

I will include the Javascript that I am using to generate this result and
the CF code.

Thanks in advance!

 code below ---

Javascript where I getting the results

--- begin JS Code --


var mycars = new Array()
var pastdate
var pastyear = 2002
var pastmonth = 5
var pastday = 11
var nowdate = new Date()



pastdate = new Date(pastyear,pastmonth,pastday,0,0,0)
mycars[0] = Date.parse(new Date())
mycars[1] = Date.parse(pastdate)




for (i=0;i")
}


--- End JS Code ---
I am also running that on this page so I can see the results:
http://www.w3schools.com/js/tryit.asp?filename=tryjs_array

Just paste that code in the left window.

--- begin CF Code ---


/**
 * Returns the number of seconds since January 1, 1970, 00:00:00
 *
 * @param DateTime  Date/time object you want converted to Epoch time.
 * @return Returns a numeric value.
 * @author Chris Mellon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 * @version 1, February 21, 2002
 */
function GetEpochTime() {
var datetime = 0;
if (ArrayLen(Arguments) is 0) {
datetime = Now();

}
else {
if (IsDate(Arguments[1])) {
datetime = Arguments[1];
} else {
return NULL;
}
}
return DateDiff("s", "January 1 1970 00:00", datetime);


}
























moonday = resultdays / mooncycle = #moonday#


moonday = (resultdays / mooncycle) - Fix(resultdays / mooncycle) =
#moonday#



moonday = #moonday#
GetEpochTime(pastdate) = #GetEpochTime(pastdate)#
GetEpochTime(Now()) = #GetEpochTime(Now())#
resultdays = #resultdays#


 End CF Code ---

Please note: The comments are the original Javascript that I used to convert
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verity cfm8 download

[Dave l]

does anyone have a copy of the verity dl for cfm8? 
I am assuming its the same one for cfmx7 as well but the link I have to get it 
only says 7 and the the damn page doesnt work either, just times out after you 
put your serial # in.

I called Adobe and got ... india... great.
and they were no help, kept telling me how to clean up windows, reboot and it 
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Re: UI recommendations needed

[Steve Sequenzia]

Chris, thanks for the insight. You are correct the frames way is quicker to 
develop in but the AJAX way is a nicer user experience.

Thing is I still have some issues doing it with cflayouts. I guess I just need 
to make a decision which way to go.

I really want to get into Flex, I am just not sure how long it will take to get 
up to speed with it enough to pop out a small app.

Thanks again!

>My $.02:
>
>The Ajax is going to be far more user-friendly, but about 50 - 100% more
>work
>The frames work fine, and its easy to target links / forms to it.
>
>If your admin is going to be used by tons of folks, I would spend the
>extra time on the Ajax version,  if its gonna be 2 - 5 people, don't
>waste time and go with the frame approach. 
>
>
>Chris Peterson
>Gainey IT
>Adobe Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer
>
>I am currently working on a small web app and I am struggling with some
>UI issues. 
>
>I have in the past liked to use frames (I know) for the general layout.
>Here is a simple sample of a layout using frames that I have used in the
>past: http://demo.thinksys.com/ui/frames/
>
>On this project I wanted to utilize some of the new CF8 AJAX UI tags. So
>I designed a layout like this: http://demo.thinksys.com/ui/cflayout/
>using cflayout. I really like the general layout and the fact that it is
>asynchronous but I am running into some issue. One major problem I am
>having now is uploading files (I posted about this). Being that all the
>forms submit asynchronous cffile does not work. I am also running into
>some other strange things that are making me rethink this strategy.
>
>I guess what I am looking for is some feedback about what other people
>are doing for UI development. I know that Flex is very popular but I
>really don't know much about it and have never used it.
>
>Any guidance on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks 

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Re: how to end a session

[Brian Dumbledore]

ya that's what I finally told them. I putin the cookie erase code, but then 
said if you don't logout properly you will have to wait till the session 
expires. 

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Re: Interesting Firefox behavior

[John Cox]

On 8/29/07, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Is that valid? Surely it should look more like this"
>
> I don't know!  Is there something that says there should only be a one to
> one relationship with form controls and labels?  In this example it is a
> phone number, but we are providing an area code field and a number
> field.  From a display perspective only one label is required for the way we
> want to present it.



It's not valid and it's performing as expected, IMO.  It's IE that is being
too loose on the spec.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.9.1

"Each  LABEL element
is associated with exactly one form control."

You could set the label id explicitly to "bar" if you used the id (see
below).



   Public Telephone Number:
   
-
(if 916-, xxx-, otherwise, xxx-xxx-)
   
   



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Re: Interesting Firefox behavior

[Ian Skinner]

"I tested it in Netscape and Opera. It did it in Netscape but not Opera. Not
sure what is causing it though."


I suspect it is that the browsers that exhibit this behavior have more complete 
support for the label standard.  The standard says that if a label is tied to a 
control, clicking on the label should set the focus to the associated control.  
With two controls to choose from these browsers are setting the focus to the 
first one.

This may not necessarily be bad, but it is definitely something of which one 
should be aware.  I would be interested in documentation explaining the whys 
and wherefores of this behavior.   


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Re: Interesting Firefox behavior

[Ian Skinner]

"Is that valid? Surely it should look more like this"

I don't know!  Is there something that says there should only be a one to one 
relationship with form controls and labels?  In this example it is a phone 
number, but we are providing an area code field and a number field.  From a 
display perspective only one label is required for the way we want to present 
it.




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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

[stylo stylo]

Andrew, here's your post about Railo javascript the other day:

  "by the looks of the generated code it is very bloated to say the least as 
well."

And now you're having a hissy fit because someone pointed out that a simple tab 
example doesn't need 258kbs? Try to read what people actually post, and reply 
somewhat objectively and civilly. If you really must insult, always do it with 
style.

>>And thats nothing compared to a extJS web application I have written.

I'm sure your dick is huge too ;-) 

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Re: Strange Redirect Behavior - running out of things to try

[[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Great advice Dave.  Like you idea. I just trying to do one other thing if 
anyone can check my syntax.  I'm trying to open a window once the user clicks, 
plus redirect the page that the user clicks on to open the window. (parent).

I've got ..

http://www.domainname.com/Coupon/install2.cfm?ID=#ID#;
 ','print','width=1,height=1')">Install Now

Could I add a MouseDown to this a href like ... (syntax?)

http://www.domainname.com";"; 
onClick="MM_openBrWindow('http://www.domainname.com/Coupon/install2.cfm?ID=#ID#;
 ','print','width=1,height=1')">Install Now



>> So this install page performs a task that I don't want people 
>" + #ID#);
>
>I think that, if your goal is to prevent people from printing out a coupon
>multiple times, don't put it on a web server. This would be very easy to
>circumvent no matter what you do, with CF or JavaScript. For example, a user
>could simply set his default printer to PDF, like mine already is.
>
>That said, I can think of a couple of measures you could use. First, you
>could include a barcode in your coupon, and provide information within the
>barcode to prevent reuse of multiple printings. This is how online tickets
>are handled; Ticketmaster is one example. Second, you could present the
>ticket in a separate window, opened through JavaScript; this window could
>present no browser controls, and could close when complete. This would make
>it more difficult (though not impossible) to reprint the coupon. Within the
>opening page, you could determine whether the child window has been opened
>once already, to prevent it from being reopened. Of course, this approach
>requires the use of a popup window, so it may be defeated by aggressive
>popup blockers.
>
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Re: Multiple File Uploading

[Web Specialist]

Matt,

this is a copy/paste message I used to help Aaron and Michael for multiple
file upload:

Aaron,

I'll suggest you to use this great javascript and Flash utility to upload
several files. Works like a charm for me integrated with CF backend. Very
impressive!

http://swfupload.mammon.se/

Cheers

p.s.: If you need that scripts(javascript files and CF) please call me. ;-)

2007/8/29, Brian Kotek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hey Matt. Even CGI/Perl is only server side. I don't think there is any
> way
> around using Flash, ActiveX, or a Java applet for this, if it absolutely
> has
> to have a progress bar.
>
> On 8/29/07, Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > My challenge is to provide a tool for uploading multiple files that
> > gives a progress/status bar as each is uploading. From what I
> > understand (and I'm not an expert), the progress bar part can only be
> > done with some sort of client side solution: ActiveX, Flash or CGI
> > script. Although I really like this one:
> > http://www.element-it.com/MultiPowUpload.aspx, we want a non-Flash
> > solution to accommodate those 2 or 3 users that don't/can't have flash
> > installed.
> >
> > I'm thinking that the ActiveX part is out as it also requires an
> > install. There are some cheap/free  Perl CGI scripts, but can my
> > Windows server run this? We currently have CF7, Windows Server 2003, &
> > IIS 6. I don't know anything about Perl. Is it possible to use
> > something like this?
> >
> > Or is there another solution I am missing? Thanks for any tips.
> >
> > --
> > Matt Williams
> > "It's the question that drives us."
> >
> >
>
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Re: Verity returning limited results

[Raymond Camden]

Can you show us the cfsearch tag? Also don't forget that - for simple
search anyway - if you use mix case "Stable", then Verity will look
for an EXACT match. I typically lcase my search terms before I pass
them to cfsearch.

On 8/29/07, Tyler Silcox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Ray,
>
> The document count from Verity matches the total in the db: 799.
>
> I've tried most of the other types of searches, including simple, and still
> no dice, it only returns 25 records for the specific search. The document
> that highlighted this problem contains 'stable' or 'stables' 3 times, so I
> would expect verity to pick it up, but it is not returned in the search.
>
> And I hear you on the refresh and like statements, they were mostly used for
> trying to figure out this issue.
>


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Re: Railo 2 Released

[Mary Jo Sminkey]

>Stylo,
>
>you're right. In order to have unlimited web contexts available in Railo 
>you would need the Railo Professional unlimited for 1100$.

What is Professional Unlimited? Is that different from the Enterprise version? 
I don't see any information on the site about this version, and the Enterprise 
is listed at $2400 which does seem kind of high. 



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RE: Interesting Firefox behavior

[Bruce Sorge]

I tested it in Netscape and Opera. It did it in Netscape but not Opera. Not
sure what is causing it though.

Bruce

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:28 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: Interesting Firefox behavior

Here is some interesting behavior.   Give this code snippet a try in 
Firefox and see what happens when you try and click in the second text 
input box.


Public Telephone Number:

 -
 (if 916-, xxx-, otherwise, xxx-xxx-)




Did you also get the browser putting the focus in the first text box 
whenever you clicked on the second?  Is this documented anywhere?  Is it 
actually desirable.  I know our test user found it rather confusing.  
Any other browser work like this?  I.E. 6 and 7 apparently do not.








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RE: Interesting Firefox behavior

[Paul Vernon]

> 
> Public Telephone Number:
> 
>  value="" /> -
>  maxlength= "8" value="" /> (if 916-, xxx-, otherwise, xxx-xxx-)
> 
> 
> 

Is that valid? Surely it should look more like this


Foo
Bar


If you don't need the "bar" label, then I'd simply leave it out...

Paul




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Re: Verity returning limited results

[Tyler Silcox]

Hey Ray,

The document count from Verity matches the total in the db: 799.

I've tried most of the other types of searches, including simple, and still
no dice, it only returns 25 records for the specific search. The document
that highlighted this problem contains 'stable' or 'stables' 3 times, so I
would expect verity to pick it up, but it is not returned in the search.

And I hear you on the refresh and like statements, they were mostly used for
trying to figure out this issue.

Tyler

On 8/29/07, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just to be clear - a refresh will delete existing data before adding -
> so are you completely refilling the collection again? If you check the
> document count, does it match what you think it should?
>
> LIKE searches are not the same as Verity searches. For example,
>
> where lower(name) like '%ray%'
>
> will match Boray, Raymond, and Ray.
>
> Also, the internest_basic search may not be what you want to use. Did
> you try "simple"?


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SOT: Interesting Firefox behavior

[Ian Skinner]

Here is some interesting behavior.   Give this code snippet a try in 
Firefox and see what happens when you try and click in the second text 
input box.


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Did you also get the browser putting the focus in the first text box 
whenever you clicked on the second?  Is this documented anywhere?  Is it 
actually desirable.  I know our test user found it rather confusing.  
Any other browser work like this?  I.E. 6 and 7 apparently do not.






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Re: Coldfusion MX J2EE Configuration on Apache in Windows

[Ali Awan]

You know what's funny.
After I went through this whole rigmarole.  Turns out they're going to be using 
MX 7 after all :)

Hey, at least I can setup MX6.1 with Apache now, if a client ever needs it.

Thanks again,
Ali
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Re: Multiple File Uploading

[Brian Kotek]

Hey Matt. Even CGI/Perl is only server side. I don't think there is any way
around using Flash, ActiveX, or a Java applet for this, if it absolutely has
to have a progress bar.

On 8/29/07, Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My challenge is to provide a tool for uploading multiple files that
> gives a progress/status bar as each is uploading. From what I
> understand (and I'm not an expert), the progress bar part can only be
> done with some sort of client side solution: ActiveX, Flash or CGI
> script. Although I really like this one:
> http://www.element-it.com/MultiPowUpload.aspx, we want a non-Flash
> solution to accommodate those 2 or 3 users that don't/can't have flash
> installed.
>
> I'm thinking that the ActiveX part is out as it also requires an
> install. There are some cheap/free  Perl CGI scripts, but can my
> Windows server run this? We currently have CF7, Windows Server 2003, &
> IIS 6. I don't know anything about Perl. Is it possible to use
> something like this?
>
> Or is there another solution I am missing? Thanks for any tips.
>
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RE: Strange Redirect Behavior - running out of things to try

[Dave Watts]

> So this install page performs a task that I don't want people 
> to be able to hit the back button and perform the task twice.
>
> ...
> 
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be great.
>
> ...
> 
> 
> 
>   function checkInstalled(){
> 
>  if(factory.printing != null){
> 
> 
> factory.printing.PrintHTML("global_files/displaycoupon.cfm?ID=
" + #ID#);
> alert("The coupon has been sent to your printer.  
> Please note the expiration date on the printed coupon.");
> document.location.href="http://www.homepage.com";;
>  } else {
>  setTimeout('checkInstalled()', 1000);
>  }
>   }
> 

I think that, if your goal is to prevent people from printing out a coupon
multiple times, don't put it on a web server. This would be very easy to
circumvent no matter what you do, with CF or JavaScript. For example, a user
could simply set his default printer to PDF, like mine already is.

That said, I can think of a couple of measures you could use. First, you
could include a barcode in your coupon, and provide information within the
barcode to prevent reuse of multiple printings. This is how online tickets
are handled; Ticketmaster is one example. Second, you could present the
ticket in a separate window, opened through JavaScript; this window could
present no browser controls, and could close when complete. This would make
it more difficult (though not impossible) to reprint the coupon. Within the
opening page, you could determine whether the child window has been opened
once already, to prevent it from being reopened. Of course, this approach
requires the use of a popup window, so it may be defeated by aggressive
popup blockers.

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Re: Railo 2 Released

[Vince Bonfanti]

Sean wrote:
>
> Did you actually run the suite of unit tests that comes with Transfer
> to ensure compatibility or did you just run the tBlog sample app?

We're running the CFUnit tests that come with Transfer (so we also had to make 
sure CFUnit runs on BD). BTW, Transfer will only run on the Java/J2EE versions 
of BD; it won't run on BD.NET because Transfer relies too much on Java features 
that aren't support by J# on .NET (such as SoftReferences).

Other frameworks we're testing in BD 7.0.1 (in addition to Transfer and 
CFUnit): ColdSpring, Reactor, and ModelGlue. Frameworks such as FuseBox, 
Mach-II, and ColdBox are already supported in BD 7.0 (or earlier) releases. 
We're also have Farcry 4.0.3 working on BD 7.0 (I posted a blog entry about 
this recently).

> BTW, I never did get a resolution on why BlueDragon Server build 339
> would not install on my MacBook Pro. The installer gets to
> "Configuring..." and then just quits :(

Sorry to hear that. Did we drop the ball on our end, or did you just give up? 
Let me know if you decide to try again with BD 7.0.1.

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RE: how to end a session

[Dave Watts]

> CHecking the number of sessions is for licensing issue. Not 
> more than say 5 users can be logged at any given time sort 
> of thing.

In that case, why not give users an explicit logout link, and instructions
that failure to use the logout link may prevent their organization from
using its licenses effectively?

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Strange Redirect Behavior - running out of things to try

[coldfusion . developer]

All,

Any one have any CF ideas?

I've got this page that installs an ActiveX control. That's not the problem.  
It installs fine,
then after the install, part of the Javascript redirects the page. The redirect 
has to be in the
Javascript.  So this install page performs a task that I don't want people to 
be able to hit
the back button and perform the task twice.  Here's what I've tried so far ...
1)
META HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma-directive" CONTENT="no-cache"
META HTTP-EQUIV="cache-directive" CONTENT="no-cache"
2) 
cfheader name=”Expires” value=”Mon, 06 Jan 1990 00:00:01 GMT” 
cfheader name=”Pragma” value=”no-cache” 
cfheader name=”cache-control” value=”no-cache” 
3)
Set the expiration on the IIS side:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/WindowsServer2003/Library/IIS/0fc16fe7-be45-4033-a5aa-d7fda3c993ff.mspx?mfr=true
4) 
I tried redirecting from the Javascript to other multiple cfm pages before 
getting to a final
response page to add more pages in between entries in the browser histroy list, 
but these multiple
pages don't register in the browser histroy.  So no matter how many pages I 
redirect through, the
page I don't want people to to back to is always there when they hit the back 
button.
5) 
I tried the JavScript trick of trying to fool the browser and go forward 
instead of backwards
and that does work.  It works in a page that redirects without JavaScript 
though.  Argh!

Any thoughts or suggestions would be great.

Thanks

D
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  function checkInstalled(){

 if(factory.printing != null){

factory.printing.PrintHTML("global_files/displaycoupon.cfm?ID=" + 
#ID#);
alert("The coupon has been sent to your printer.  Please note the 
expiration date on the printed coupon.");
document.location.href="http://www.homepage.com";;
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RE: how to end a session

[Brad Wood]

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms536907.aspx

onbeforeunload Event

The first example of how to invoke is "Close the current browser
window."

That's MS talking tho-- I'm unsure of what W3C has to say about it.

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I don't think there's an event that occurs when the browser closes.

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Re: Verity returning limited results

[Raymond Camden]

Just to be clear - a refresh will delete existing data before adding -
so are you completely refilling the collection again? If you check the
document count, does it match what you think it should?

LIKE searches are not the same as Verity searches. For example,

where lower(name) like '%ray%'

will match Boray, Raymond, and Ray.

Also, the internest_basic search may not be what you want to use. Did
you try "simple"?

On 8/29/07, Tyler Silcox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm having some issues with Verity returning limited results. I'm submitting
> a query to a custom collection using the cfindex tag with a refresh action.
> If I search the verity collection that is populated by the query, I only
> receive 25 results. But, if I use a query of queries with a LIKE command to
> search the populating query, during the same request, I receive 99 results.
>
> I'm searching for a simple keyword "stable" in lowercase using
> "internet_basic" or "internet" type. My prior experience with Verity has
> been positive, but this is just making me think Verity is dropping the ball?
> Any ideas?
>
> Tyler
>
>
> 

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Verity returning limited results

[Tyler Silcox]

I'm having some issues with Verity returning limited results. I'm submitting
a query to a custom collection using the cfindex tag with a refresh action.
If I search the verity collection that is populated by the query, I only
receive 25 results. But, if I use a query of queries with a LIKE command to
search the populating query, during the same request, I receive 99 results.

I'm searching for a simple keyword "stable" in lowercase using
"internet_basic" or "internet" type. My prior experience with Verity has
been positive, but this is just making me think Verity is dropping the ball?
Any ideas?

Tyler


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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

[Rey Bango]

Hi Matt,

Its possible that I may have misread it. Unfortunately, Andrew didn't 
clarify it in his last post. If I did misinterpret it, I'll be glad to 
apologize.

Andrew?

Rey...

Matt Williams wrote:
> On 8/29/07, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There's a little more that needs to be said.
>>
>>> I am not knocking jQuery
>> Then I take it you agree that my analogy is a little better. Comparing
>> jQuery to a Hyundai Excel was a bit of a knock and I hope I've offered a
>> different perspective by comparing it to a Ferrari.
> 
> Rey, I think you mis-read Andrew's comment:
> 
> "Now to make a comparison against CF8 and jQuery is like making a comparison
> with a Hyundai Excel and a Jaguar."
> 
> This means that CF8 is the Hyundai (as far as it's Javascript
> abilities) and jQuery is the Jaguar.
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Multiple File Uploading

[Matt Williams]

My challenge is to provide a tool for uploading multiple files that
gives a progress/status bar as each is uploading. From what I
understand (and I'm not an expert), the progress bar part can only be
done with some sort of client side solution: ActiveX, Flash or CGI
script. Although I really like this one:
http://www.element-it.com/MultiPowUpload.aspx, we want a non-Flash
solution to accommodate those 2 or 3 users that don't/can't have flash
installed.

I'm thinking that the ActiveX part is out as it also requires an
install. There are some cheap/free  Perl CGI scripts, but can my
Windows server run this? We currently have CF7, Windows Server 2003, &
IIS 6. I don't know anything about Perl. Is it possible to use
something like this?

Or is there another solution I am missing? Thanks for any tips.

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

[Matt Williams]

On 8/29/07, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There's a little more that needs to be said.
>
> > I am not knocking jQuery
>
> Then I take it you agree that my analogy is a little better. Comparing
> jQuery to a Hyundai Excel was a bit of a knock and I hope I've offered a
> different perspective by comparing it to a Ferrari.

Rey, I think you mis-read Andrew's comment:

"Now to make a comparison against CF8 and jQuery is like making a comparison
with a Hyundai Excel and a Jaguar."

This means that CF8 is the Hyundai (as far as it's Javascript
abilities) and jQuery is the Jaguar.

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

[Rey Bango]

Hi Andrew,

There's a little more that needs to be said.

> I am not knocking jQuery

Then I take it you agree that my analogy is a little better. Comparing 
jQuery to a Hyundai Excel was a bit of a knock and I hope I've offered a 
different perspective by comparing it to a Ferrari.

> I am knocking the stupid response made about the amount of includes that CF8
> has to do its Job.

The amount of files and the size of those files is a concern that's been 
expressed by others, including myself. So based on your opinion, should 
I now assume we're stupid as well? To be more precise, my blog postings 
and efforts to minimize the file size included in CF8 are well 
documented and was a conduit for getting Adobe to realize the impact 
that a 700k page size for something as simple as a CFDIV. In fact, I've 
been thanked by Adobe for bringing it to their attention as they 
realized that this merited more attention.

Page size is a realistic concern and should not be taken for granted. 
Even Yahoo has published a study which shows that 40-60% of their users 
have an empty cache experience: 
http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/01/04/performance-research-part-2/

> I have used jQuery and I agree that its a good little framework, I have also
> used extJS and consider that an even better addition when using it in
> combination with jQuery.

Yep, its a great combination and John Resig and I were very happy when 
Jack incorporated the jQuery adapter into Ext. I continue to work with 
both Jack and John on that integration.

> But my point lies in the amount of JS code that is needed by CF to do its
> job, and by making a stupid ass comment that the idot made will piss more
> people off because it comes from his lack of understanding on what a large
> scale application needs in JS to achieve what it needs to do.

He could've phrased his reply a little better to point out the 
advantages & disadvantages off both libraries but I don't think that 
you've handled it any better by diminishing his concern and, on top of 
that, referring to his comments as "stupid".

Rey...

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RE: UI recommendations needed

[Peterson, Chris]

My $.02:

The Ajax is going to be far more user-friendly, but about 50 - 100% more
work
The frames work fine, and its easy to target links / forms to it.

If your admin is going to be used by tons of folks, I would spend the
extra time on the Ajax version,  if its gonna be 2 - 5 people, don't
waste time and go with the frame approach. 


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-Original Message-
From: Steve Sequenzia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: UI recommendations needed

I am currently working on a small web app and I am struggling with some
UI issues. 

I have in the past liked to use frames (I know) for the general layout.
Here is a simple sample of a layout using frames that I have used in the
past: http://demo.thinksys.com/ui/frames/

On this project I wanted to utilize some of the new CF8 AJAX UI tags. So
I designed a layout like this: http://demo.thinksys.com/ui/cflayout/
using cflayout. I really like the general layout and the fact that it is
asynchronous but I am running into some issue. One major problem I am
having now is uploading files (I posted about this). Being that all the
forms submit asynchronous cffile does not work. I am also running into
some other strange things that are making me rethink this strategy.

I guess what I am looking for is some feedback about what other people
are doing for UI development. I know that Flex is very popular but I
really don't know much about it and have never used it.

Any guidance on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks




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UI recommendations needed

[Steve Sequenzia]

I am currently working on a small web app and I am struggling with some UI 
issues. 

I have in the past liked to use frames (I know) for the general layout. Here is 
a simple sample of a layout using frames that I have used in the past: 
http://demo.thinksys.com/ui/frames/

On this project I wanted to utilize some of the new CF8 AJAX UI tags. So I 
designed a layout like this: http://demo.thinksys.com/ui/cflayout/ using 
cflayout. I really like the general layout and the fact that it is asynchronous 
but I am running into some issue. One major problem I am having now is 
uploading files (I posted about this). Being that all the forms submit 
asynchronous cffile does not work. I am also running into some other strange 
things that are making me rethink this strategy.

I guess what I am looking for is some feedback about what other people are 
doing for UI development. I know that Flex is very popular but I really don't 
know much about it and have never used it.

Any guidance on this would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

[Andrew Scott]

I am not knocking jQuery

I am knocking the stupid response made about the amount of includes that CF8
has to do its Job.

I have used jQuery and I agree that its a good little framework, I have also
used extJS and consider that an even better addition when using it in
combination with jQuery.

But my point lies in the amount of JS code that is needed by CF to do its
job, and by making a stupid ass comment that the idot made will piss more
people off because it comes from his lack of understanding on what a large
scale application needs in JS to achieve what it needs to do.

Now if jQuery can provide all that functionality with so little code then I
challenge that user to write the same functionality that CF8 provideswithout
adding extra JS code to his application.

Enough Said on the matter.



On 8/29/07, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> I'm in the fortunate position of being part of both the Ext and jQuery
> project teams. First, let me say that jQuery is in no way a "Hyundai
> Excel". A better analogy would be to day that its like comparing a
> "Ferrari (jQuery) to a Mercedes-Benz CL 600 (Ext)". Both provide a
> tremendous amount of functionality and both target different audiences.
>
> jQuery is a very streamlined library which is best suited for
> consumer-facing websites that want to enhance the UX with Ajax &
> effects. Its fast and sporty and helps you get what you need quickly;
> just like a Ferrari.
>
> Ext can certainly be used for consumer-facing websites but what we've
> seen is that most users, because of its rich UI control set, tend to use
> it to build full blown desktop-like applications. Its got speed and a
> hole lotta bells and whistles which make building desktop-like apps a
> breeze. If you want high-end luxury and performance, like a
> Mercedes-Benz CL 600, then you use Ext v1.1.
>
> So what I ask is that you not be so quick to dismiss jQuery especially
> since companies Digg, MSNBC, Intel, Intuit, & Salesforce.com (HUGE ERP)
> seem to be doing quite well with it.
>
> If you ask me which one I prefer, I would tell you that for consumer
> facing sites, I prefer the leanness of jQuery but for a true desktop
> experience, I prefer Ext. And yes, I work with both libraries and love
> them both. Both libraries are incredibly robust and cater to different
> segments.
>
> On a final note, you really should ease up on calling someone "stupid".
> While you may not agree with someone else's opinion (and you're
> certainly not expected to), I think your last post was a little over the
> top.
>
> Rey...
>
> Andrew Scott wrote:
> > And thats nothing compared to a extJS web application I have written.
> >
> > You have to realise that these files do things that are more than what
> > jQuery offer, extJS is a fairly good framework and can be used with
> jQuery
> > but once you start building JS / Ajx stuff for an application then you
> will
> > be surprised how quickly these files add up.
> >
> > I think you should take your head out of the sand, before you get
> blinded by
> > your own stupidty.
> >
> > Seriously. Why are you bothering, you obviously haven't done anything
> > serious with Ajax / GUI development as of yet. If you had this sort of
> > comment from you would not have appeared.
> >
> > Now to make a comparison against CF8 and jQuery is like making a
> comparison
> > with a Hyundai Excel and a Jaguar.
> >
> > Btw I might pick myself of the floor from laughing so hard at you in
> about 1
> > week, but it might actually be 3 weeks before I get over this stupid
> email
> > from you.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/29/07, stylo stylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Here's the breakdown if interested, btw, just realized the web
> developer
> >> toolbar brings it all up nicely:
> >>
> >> Scripts (8 files)
> >> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/ext-core.js 76 KB
> >> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cfajax.js   34 KB
> >>
> >>
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/yahoo-dom-event/yahoo-dom-event.js
>   28
> >> KB
> >> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/messages/cfmessage.js
> 15
> >> KB
> >>
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/animation/animation-min.js
>   15
> >> KB
> >>
> >>
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/adapter/yui/ext-yui-adapter.js
>   10
> >> KB
> >> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/package/tabs/tabs.js
> 10
> >> KB
> >> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cflayout.js 9 KB
> >>
> >> Style Sheets (1 file)   61 KB
> >>
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/resources/ext/css/ext-all.css
> >> 61 KB
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

[Rey Bango]

Andrew,

I'm in the fortunate position of being part of both the Ext and jQuery 
project teams. First, let me say that jQuery is in no way a "Hyundai 
Excel". A better analogy would be to day that its like comparing a 
"Ferrari (jQuery) to a Mercedes-Benz CL 600 (Ext)". Both provide a 
tremendous amount of functionality and both target different audiences.

jQuery is a very streamlined library which is best suited for 
consumer-facing websites that want to enhance the UX with Ajax & 
effects. Its fast and sporty and helps you get what you need quickly; 
just like a Ferrari.

Ext can certainly be used for consumer-facing websites but what we've 
seen is that most users, because of its rich UI control set, tend to use 
it to build full blown desktop-like applications. Its got speed and a 
hole lotta bells and whistles which make building desktop-like apps a 
breeze. If you want high-end luxury and performance, like a 
Mercedes-Benz CL 600, then you use Ext v1.1.

So what I ask is that you not be so quick to dismiss jQuery especially 
since companies Digg, MSNBC, Intel, Intuit, & Salesforce.com (HUGE ERP) 
seem to be doing quite well with it.

If you ask me which one I prefer, I would tell you that for consumer 
facing sites, I prefer the leanness of jQuery but for a true desktop 
experience, I prefer Ext. And yes, I work with both libraries and love 
them both. Both libraries are incredibly robust and cater to different 
segments.

On a final note, you really should ease up on calling someone "stupid". 
While you may not agree with someone else's opinion (and you're 
certainly not expected to), I think your last post was a little over the 
top.

Rey...

Andrew Scott wrote:
> And thats nothing compared to a extJS web application I have written.
> 
> You have to realise that these files do things that are more than what
> jQuery offer, extJS is a fairly good framework and can be used with jQuery
> but once you start building JS / Ajx stuff for an application then you will
> be surprised how quickly these files add up.
> 
> I think you should take your head out of the sand, before you get blinded by
> your own stupidty.
> 
> Seriously. Why are you bothering, you obviously haven't done anything
> serious with Ajax / GUI development as of yet. If you had this sort of
> comment from you would not have appeared.
> 
> Now to make a comparison against CF8 and jQuery is like making a comparison
> with a Hyundai Excel and a Jaguar.
> 
> Btw I might pick myself of the floor from laughing so hard at you in about 1
> week, but it might actually be 3 weeks before I get over this stupid email
> from you.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/29/07, stylo stylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Here's the breakdown if interested, btw, just realized the web developer
>> toolbar brings it all up nicely:
>>
>> Scripts (8 files)
>> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/ext-core.js 76 KB
>> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cfajax.js   34 KB
>>
>> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/yahoo-dom-event/yahoo-dom-event.js
>>   28
>> KB
>> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/messages/cfmessage.js   15
>> KB
>> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/animation/animation-min.js   
>>15
>> KB
>>
>> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/adapter/yui/ext-yui-adapter.js
>>   10
>> KB
>> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/package/tabs/tabs.js10
>> KB
>> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cflayout.js 9 KB
>>
>> Style Sheets (1 file)   61 KB
>> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/resources/ext/css/ext-all.css
>> 61 KB
>>
>>
> 
> 

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Re: how to end a session

[Brian Dumbledore]

> > I have to restrict the number of simultaneous 
> > active sessions.
> 
> Why?
> 
> > However, can you plz confirm that the 
> > corresponding session is cleared too, when 
> > cookie is reset?
> 
> No, actually it wouldn't. Clearing the cookies simply disconnects the 
> browser from the session. There is no way to guarantee that a session 
> can be closed when the browser is closed.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 

CHecking the number of sessions is for licensing issue. Not more than say 5 
users can be logged at any given time sort of thing.












> 
> 


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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

[Andrew Scott]

And thats nothing compared to a extJS web application I have written.

You have to realise that these files do things that are more than what
jQuery offer, extJS is a fairly good framework and can be used with jQuery
but once you start building JS / Ajx stuff for an application then you will
be surprised how quickly these files add up.

I think you should take your head out of the sand, before you get blinded by
your own stupidty.

Seriously. Why are you bothering, you obviously haven't done anything
serious with Ajax / GUI development as of yet. If you had this sort of
comment from you would not have appeared.

Now to make a comparison against CF8 and jQuery is like making a comparison
with a Hyundai Excel and a Jaguar.

Btw I might pick myself of the floor from laughing so hard at you in about 1
week, but it might actually be 3 weeks before I get over this stupid email
from you.



On 8/29/07, stylo stylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Here's the breakdown if interested, btw, just realized the web developer
> toolbar brings it all up nicely:
>
> Scripts (8 files)
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/ext-core.js 76 KB
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cfajax.js   34 KB
>
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/yahoo-dom-event/yahoo-dom-event.js
>   28
> KB
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/messages/cfmessage.js   15
> KB
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/animation/animation-min.js
>   15
> KB
>
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/adapter/yui/ext-yui-adapter.js
>   10
> KB
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/package/tabs/tabs.js10
> KB
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cflayout.js 9 KB
>
> Style Sheets (1 file)   61 KB
> http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/resources/ext/css/ext-all.css
> 61 KB
>
> 

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Re: cfflush in CF 8

[Raymond Camden]

Apache. :)

On 8/29/07, Doug Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ray, are you using IIS6 or IIS7?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:09 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: cfflush in CF 8
>
> You got me there. Did you do anything else in the request that would
> have broken cfflush?
>
> On 8/28/07, Doug Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Ray, I'm using code compatible in CF6 & CF7. My question now is,
> why
> > would it not work in my installation and it would work in yours?
> >
> > I just downloaded CF8 from Adobe's website over the weekend and installed
> it
> > as a Multiserver JRun4 install.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > - Doug
> ===
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Re: Railo 2 Released

[Gert Franz]

Stylo,

you're right. In order to have unlimited web contexts available in Railo 
you would need the Railo Professional unlimited for 1100$.
How a web context is defined can be read here:

http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm?treeID=333

The number of virtual hosts is not important. But the number of 
webcontexts. Railo is not working like CFMX. In CFMX you share all 
resources across all webcontexts or web applications. In Railo you don't 
they are separated by default.

Greetings / Grüsse
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>>> My take is that for $300 you can run unlimited virtual hosts. Seems like a 
>>> pretty fair price to me. Now, am I wrong? 
>>>   
>
> Seems wrong because you have to pay an extra $100/"web", they say. So running 
> 5 sites means $700, etc. 
>
> "By default with the Professional Version a single web (webapp) can be used. 
> With the Professional Version of Railo you buy a contingent of webs (webapps) 
> which can be accessed. This number can be enlarged at any time."
>
> Can anyone clarify what a web/webapp is? I'm assuming a domain? How exactly 
> is it restricted? By IP? 
>
> 

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Re: cfflush in CF 8

[Jochem van Dieten]

Doug Arthur wrote:
> Is the issue possibly IIS7 within Vista?

Maybe. You are probably in the best position to test this theory: try it 
through the build in webserver and see if it works correctly.

Jochem

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