OT : CF-Talk Social Circles
Hi everyone, I don't know if it has already been posted, but today, I found this funny little app : Social Circles, a mailing list social visualization tool (powered by ColdFusion and Flash). You want to know your chatter level and social visibility on CF-Talk? Here it is : http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=cf-talk (note : you'll need a powerful machine to display the CF-Talk social network...) If you want an example on a less active list (CFaussie) : http://www.marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/socialcircles.cfm?list=cfaussie More info on the app : http://marumushi.com/apps/socialcircles/ Have fun! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com www.affinitiz.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: SessionTracker and session expiration
This is the one! Thanks Chris. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com www.affinitiz.com -Message d'origine- De : chris kief [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoy : samedi 22 novembre 2003 18:51 : CF-Talk Objet : RE: SessionTracker and session expiration Sam Neff talks about the reflection technique here: http://www.rewindlife.com/archives/69.cfm chris _ From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SessionTracker and session expiration Hi everyone, Looking for an article on CFMX SessionTracker. We have put in place a session tracker to count the number of sessions on our application. cfset tracker = createObject(java,coldfusion.runtime.SessionTracker) cfset sessions = tracker.getSessionCollection(MyApp) cfset sessionsNb = structCount(sessions) This is working fine. But we have recently replace the last line by : cfset sessionsNb = 0 cfloop collection=#sessions# item=ID cfif structKeyExists(sessions[ID],member) cfset sessionsNb = sessionsNb + 1 /cfif /cfloop An advice, don't do this kind of manipulation on a regular basis (for example with a scheduled task), because it creates a huge memory leak : sessions will never expire! It is probably because you touch the session content, so it changes the timestamp of all the sessions... I'm pretty sure I've read an article concerning this issue on a CF blog somewhere. If I remember well, the author was showing how to use java reflection to workaround it. Can't find it in the archives of CF blogs or even in google. Anyone remember this? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com www.affinitiz.com _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
SessionTracker and session expiration
Hi everyone, Looking for an article on CFMX SessionTracker. We have put in place a session tracker to count the number of sessions on our application. cfset tracker = createObject(java,coldfusion.runtime.SessionTracker) cfset sessions = tracker.getSessionCollection(MyApp) cfset sessionsNb = structCount(sessions) This is working fine. But we have recently replace the last line by : cfset sessionsNb = 0 cfloop collection=#sessions# item=ID cfif structKeyExists(sessions[ID],member) cfset sessionsNb = sessionsNb + 1 /cfif /cfloop An advice, don't do this kind of manipulation on a regular basis (for example with a scheduled task), because it creates a huge memory leak : sessions will never expire! It is probably because you touch the session content, so it changes the timestamp of all the sessions... I'm pretty sure I've read an article concerning this issue on a CF blog somewhere. If I remember well, the author was showing how to use java reflection to workaround it. Can't find it in the archives of CF blogs or even in google. Anyone remember this? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com www.affinitiz.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Session is invalid on CFMX
Has anyone found a solution to this?It's logged as bug 53143 with Macromedia, but we're seeing this hundreds of times a day.Any workarounds? Looks like we got a fix: http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=10threadid =669435#2598160 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion MX Application Server (6.1) problem
I think we have also solved our problem. In order to analyze the problem, we've used /bin/cfstart.bat. It was starting but gave an error about missing MSVCP60.dll library. MSVCP60.dll is part of Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 runtime, which is mandatory for CFMX6.1 installation on Windows (system requirements : http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/6.1/htmldocs/intro5.htm). We've installed it to see if it solves the problem (which occurs only during service restart...). If Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 runtime is mandatory, why the installation procedure does not check if it is installed before starting the installation (as it does for MDAC 2.6 SP2)? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : chad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoy : jeudi 30 octobre 2003 15:32 : CF-Talk Objet : Re: ColdFusion MX Application Server (6.1) problem After we tried everything to fix the problem unsucessfully, we uninstalled and then reinstalled the CF MX. It finally works! Make sure you do the following: 1. Make a clean uninstallation and delete every file within the CFusionMX folder after you restart your server to complete the uninstallation. 2. Before you reinstall the CFusionMX 6.1 server, delete or rename your data source name which has the reserved word (service or comp). Thank everyone who responded to our message!!! - Original Message - From: Benoit Hediard To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:22 PM Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX Application Server (6.1) problem We have exactly the same problem on our production server, but not on our dev server and staging server... Configurations are identical... (Windows 2000, Apache2, SQL Server on the separate server) We need to restart the server to restart ColdFusion... (hopefully, we do it very rarely) Nothing in the logs. We have also tested the two know issues (datasource names and start timeout), but the problem is still there. This week, we are going to install a new production server, so we'll see if we also encounter this issue. If you find the solution, please let us know. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : chad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoy : mercredi 29 octobre 2003 17:12 : CF-Talk Objet : ColdFusion MX Application Server (6.1) problem Problem: The ColdFusion MX Application Server (6.1) service (which co-exists with CF5 on our local Windows 2000 server) is not able to successfully restart. I got the following error message when I tried to restart it: Windows could not start the ColdFusion MX Application Server on Local Computer. For more information, review the System Event Log. If this is a non-Microsoft service, contact the service vendor, and refer to service-specific error code 2. Possible Reasons: According to ColdFusion TechNote (http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/dsn_reserved_word s.htm), ColdFusion MX Application Server service will not restart if certain reserved words (service, comp) is used as a data source name in the ColdFusion Administrator: What we have done: 1. We searched both jrun-resources.xml file and neo-query.xml file located in CFusionMX folder. We did find a data source name with comp in it and we replaced it with a non-reserved word. 2. We also followed another ColdFusion TechNote (http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/cfmx61_startup_ti ming.htm) and changed the timeout value to 900 (the number of seconds allowable before the ColdFusion service startup will timeout.) Question now: After I have done everything I mentioned above I still couldn't restart the ColdFusionMX Server service and got the same error as I did before. What should I do next? Are there any other reserved words for ColdFusionMX Administrator besides service and comp? Can we use company as the data source name? Please help! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion MX Application Server (6.1) problem
We have exactly the same problem on our production server, but not on our dev server and staging server... Configurations are identical... (Windows 2000, Apache2, SQL Server on the separate server) We need to restart the server to restart ColdFusion... (hopefully, we do it very rarely) Nothing in the logs. We have also tested the two know issues (datasource names and start timeout), but the problem is still there. This week, we are going to install a new production server, so we'll see if we also encounter this issue. If you find the solution, please let us know. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : chad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoy : mercredi 29 octobre 2003 17:12 : CF-Talk Objet : ColdFusion MX Application Server (6.1) problem Problem: The ColdFusion MX Application Server (6.1) service (which co-exists with CF5 on our local Windows 2000 server) is not able to successfully restart. I got the following error message when I tried to restart it: Windows could not start the ColdFusion MX Application Server on Local Computer. For more information, review the System Event Log. If this is a non-Microsoft service, contact the service vendor, and refer to service-specific error code 2. Possible Reasons: According to ColdFusion TechNote (http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/dsn_reserved_word s.htm), ColdFusion MX Application Server service will not restart if certain reserved words (service, comp) is used as a data source name in the ColdFusion Administrator: What we have done: 1. We searched both jrun-resources.xml file and neo-query.xml file located in CFusionMX folder. We did find a data source name with comp in it and we replaced it with a non-reserved word. 2. We also followed another ColdFusion TechNote (http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/cfmx61_startup_ti ming.htm) and changed the timeout value to 900 (the number of seconds allowable before the ColdFusion service startup will timeout.) Question now: After I have done everything I mentioned above I still couldn't restart the ColdFusionMX Server service and got the same error as I did before. What should I do next? Are there any other reserved words for ColdFusionMX Administrator besides service and comp? Can we use company as the data source name? Please help! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT: Looking for radio station sites
The radio I listen every day (fantastic playlist organised in 6 channels, my favorite one is Beat Blender) : http://www.somafm.com Two other great internet radio : http://www.betalounge.com http://www.groovetech.com (down or dead?) As for building your own radio : http://www.live365.com (example : my own radio is http://www.benorama.com/music) Have fun! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : cfhelp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoy : mercredi 1 octobre 2003 15:38 : CF-Talk Objet : RE: OT: Looking for radio station sites http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/index.shtml?logo http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/index.shtml?logo Rick _ From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:27 AM To: CF-Talk Well, our community radio station's site is pretty blah: http://www.wort-fm.org/ http://www.wort-fm.org/ But, the public radio station site isn't bad, and it's a cf site: http://www.wpr.org/ http://www.wpr.org/ - Original Message - From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: RE: OT: Looking for radio station sites Thanks Jeremy. It's actually a fully-fledged FM station but a community volunteer organisation.We're not going to be streaming at all - that's far too expensive.It costs thousands for the bandwidth to stream broadcast quality content for 24/7.The station has been going for nearly 21 years now, and for the 21stbirthday we're going to rebuild the site. I've been maintaining it for a while now, and it's all static and pretty boring really. I had to make a change to the nav bar the other day and because it's all static, it took me a couple of hours to make and test all the changes.NO!That has to stop. SO . dynamic site.Use coldfusion to build the site from a database. Now. What to put in the site?What would be better to have than we have now? That's the point I'm at. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Jeremy Brodie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 10:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re:OT: Looking for radio station sites Mike, I'm a fan a Launch.com, especally the sections where one can customize their own stations. I think they do a great job, through their influencers section of bringing community based radio to the forefront. The hard part of course for delivering Internet radio is gathering the content, encoding the content and streaming the content in a way that ads are played at the right time/place (not the technology of picking the actual songs). This part is extremely tricky to automate, espcally if you're using Windows Media Server to stream. Jeremy Brodie Intelix an Edgewater Technology Solutions Company web: http://www.edgewater.com http://www.edgewater.com phone:(703) 815-2500 nasdaq symbol: EDGE _ [Todays [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Using a CFC as the action of a form.
Using CFC as Controller for the action of a form works very well with CFMX, especially for MVC implementation. You just have to do a redirect to the next view/display layer at the end of the method (for example with a cflocation). More info here : http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/patterns/part2.htm Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 23 septembre 2003 20:40 À : CF-Talk Objet : Using a CFC as the action of a form. I am trying to figure out the logical flow of processing when using a CFC as the action of a form? Where does the application end up? What scope does any data returned at the end of the called function with cfreturn ... end up in? Basically how does this work and how does one use this functionality? The below example works in that the correct function of the method is called, the correct parameters are passed and the query returns the correct data. But now what? What I would like is that the query is returned from this function so that I can deal with it in the display layer of my application. But, I can't figure out how to get out of the function? Any suggestions or links to reference material would be most appreciative. Thank You. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA An Example: Simple search form in Search.cfm form action=search.cfc method=post Mobile ID: input type=text name=MOBLID First Name: input type=text name=FName Last Name: input type=text name=LName input type=hidden name=Method value=Mobile input type=submit name=submit value=Search /form Simple but fairly large Search query in the Mobile Method of Search.cfc cffunction name=Mobile access=remote returntype=query hint=Search for mobile drive contact. cfargument name=MOBLID type=string required=false default= hint=ID of mobile drive cfargument name=LName type=string required=false default= hint=Last name of contact for mobile drive. cfargument name=FName type=string required=false default= hint=First name of contact for mobile drive. cfdump var=#arguments# cfquery name=MobContact datasource=STPR ... SQL here ... /cfquery cfdump var=#MobContact# cfreturn MobContact /cffunction ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138191 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: CFPROPERTY WAS Using a CFC as the action of a form.
From the doc : Defines components as complex types that are used for web
services authoring. The attributes of this tag are exposed as component
metadata and are subject to inheritance rules.
If you don't use web services, it is only used for component metadata (CFC
auto documentation).
If you don't use CFC auto documentation, you don't have to use the tag
cfproperty.
Benoit Hediard
www.benorama.com
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De : Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Envoyé : mardi 23 septembre 2003 21:55
À : CF-Talk
Objet : CFPROPERTY WAS Using a CFC as the action of a form.
Looking through the link
{http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/patterns/part2.htm}, I learned of a new
tag. CFPROPERTY A quick lookup in the documentation gave me a vague
idea of what this tag does, but not really enough to understand it. What
are the differences between cfproperty... and cfargument...? When is
one better to use then the other?
--
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento, CA
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RE: Load Testing Tools
Paessler has some nice tools : pretty cheap, great functionalities and very easy to use. Webserver Stress Tool : http://www.paessler.com/webstress You can download a trial version. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com PS : IP Check Server monitor is also great (http://www.paessler.com/ipcheck) -Message d'origine- De : Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 2 septembre 2003 17:57 À : CF-Talk Objet : Load Testing Tools Can anybody recommend a relatively simple and hopefully inexpensive load testing tool that could be used to check a new CF built site. Preferably something that we can try before buying. Thanks. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource Sacramento, CA ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
static SSI (?) and dynamic SSI (cfinclude) with CF
Hi everyone, We were using a file-based caching system doing SSI (server side include) based on cfinclude (to cache sections of pages). The problem with cfinclude : it performs a dynamic SSI, not a static SSI. Even if you include an html page, it will be still parsed and considered as a ColdFusion template. The results : with trusted cache turned on, it will never serve new includes... (even if you delete the html cache file). In order to solve this problem, we are now using cffile action=read and cfoutput to include the content of the html cache file. My questions are : 1. Is there a more efficient way to perform a static SSI with CF? 2. Don't you think that a new attribute to cfinclude could be added : cfinclude template=... mode=dynamic (default, dynamic SSI for CF pages, included content is parsed and executed) or cfinclude template=... mode=static (static SSI, content is not parsed, just included) Benoit Hediard ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: static SSI (?) and dynamic SSI (cfinclude) with CF
Indeed, it might work. Unfortunately, we're using CFMX 6.1 Standard (ex. Pro), so we don't have access to JSP features/taglib. Benoit -Message d'origine- De : Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 22 août 2003 16:08 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: static SSI (?) and dynamic SSI (cfinclude) with CF Have you tried including the HTML file using JSP:include? -Matt On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: Hi everyone, We were using a file-based caching system doing SSI (server side include) based on cfinclude (to cache sections of pages). The problem with cfinclude : it performs a dynamic SSI, not a static SSI. Even if you include an html page, it will be still parsed and considered as a ColdFusion template. The results : with trusted cache turned on, it will never serve new includes... (even if you delete the html cache file). In order to solve this problem, we are now using cffile action=read and cfoutput to include the content of the html cache file. My questions are : 1. Is there a more efficient way to perform a static SSI with CF? 2. Don't you think that a new attribute to cfinclude could be added : cfinclude template=... mode=dynamic (default, dynamic SSI for CF pages, included content is parsed and executed) or cfinclude template=... mode=static (static SSI, content is not parsed, just included) Benoit Hediard ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: static SSI (?) and dynamic SSI (cfinclude) with CF
This morning, I thought I've tested getPageContext().include(path here) and it didn't work. I've re-tested it and now it works (probably not very well awake this morning...). jsp:include allows you to include eihter a static or dynamic file (it handles automatically both types of files), so it solves the problem. Thanks Matt. Benoit -Message d'origine- De : Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 22 août 2003 16:24 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: static SSI (?) and dynamic SSI (cfinclude) with CF You don't need to use the tag itself, just do getPageContent().include(path here). -Matt On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 10:14 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: Indeed, it might work. Unfortunately, we're using CFMX 6.1 Standard (ex. Pro), so we don't have access to JSP features/taglib. Benoit -Message d'origine- De : Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 22 août 2003 16:08 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: static SSI (?) and dynamic SSI (cfinclude) with CF Have you tried including the HTML file using JSP:include? -Matt On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: Hi everyone, We were using a file-based caching system doing SSI (server side include) based on cfinclude (to cache sections of pages). The problem with cfinclude : it performs a dynamic SSI, not a static SSI. Even if you include an html page, it will be still parsed and considered as a ColdFusion template. The results : with trusted cache turned on, it will never serve new includes... (even if you delete the html cache file). In order to solve this problem, we are now using cffile action=read and cfoutput to include the content of the html cache file. My questions are : 1. Is there a more efficient way to perform a static SSI with CF? 2. Don't you think that a new attribute to cfinclude could be added : cfinclude template=... mode=dynamic (default, dynamic SSI for CF pages, included content is parsed and executed) or cfinclude template=... mode=static (static SSI, content is not parsed, just included) Benoit Hediard ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Benorama.com
Hi, www.benorama.com is back online now. Have fun! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Fetter, Brad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 22 août 2003 17:04 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Benorama.com Hi Benoit, I would interested in best practices word doc. Thanks for a great website. Thanks, Brad Fetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] FLIR Systems Inc. -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Benorama.com Hi, I'll put benorama.com online by the end of the month... We just launch our new MX app so I don't have the time to work on benorama. Till then, if you want, I can send you the .doc version of the articles (CFMX best practices). FYI, you still have access to the presentation I did on MVC at CF-Europe : http://www.cf-europe.org/preso/bhediard/168409/index.html Thanks! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com (dead link...;) ) PS : for people in charge of cf-europe website, there is a big CF error on the home page. -Message d'origine- De : Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 6 août 2003 15:46 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: Benorama.com Google cache? - Jim Brad Roberts wrote: Anyone know if the site will be up soon? Is there another way to get to the site? -Brad ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
CFMX won't restart
Hi everyone, Running CFMX6.1 on production. Pretty cool, except for one thing : each time we stop CFMX Service, there is no way to restart it except with a complete reboot of the server. We got the famous The ColdFusion MX Application Server service terminated with service-specific error 2. in the windows event log. I found the following technotes : http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/cfmx61_startup_tim ing.htm But it only concerns restart problem on reboot on slow machine (which is not our problem, the server restart completely in less than 2 minutes, with CFMX on). The problem only occurs when we stop and try to re-start the service. We also add the problem during the install of CFMX6.1 upgrade (and after a reboot is was fine). Our config : - Win2000 SP4 - CFMX 6.1 Standard - Apache 2.0.47 We run the ColdFusion Service under a specific user account coldfusion (any specific rights required?). We have the exact same config on our staging server and it works well. Can't find anything in the logs. The problem is that I can't play much with parameters, trial and errors because this is our main production app server... What is the difference between a CFMX service start after reboot and a CFMX service re-start? What could be the reason of this behaviour? Probably an error in the config of the server. Thanks. Benoit Hediard ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: cfmx 6.1 service timeout
Here it is : http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/cfmx61_startup_tim ing.htm Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 6 août 2003 19:19 À : CF-Talk Objet : cfmx 6.1 service timeout This may be a little off-topic, but somewhat relates. I've installed the MX 6.1 as a service on a windows test box. But the box is not a real powerhouse system, 512ram and a p3 450. Now when attempting a manual start of MX, the MX times out before it can start. Does anyone know how to change the startup times allowed by the services control panel on a windows 2000 box. I've looked everywhere to give the service another 30 seconds or so and can't find the setting to change the amount of time alloted. Thanks, Randy --- Randy Bickham Web Software Developer J.R. Simplot Company ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Benorama.com
Hi, I'll put benorama.com online by the end of the month... We just launch our new MX app so I don't have the time to work on benorama. Till then, if you want, I can send you the .doc version of the articles (CFMX best practices). FYI, you still have access to the presentation I did on MVC at CF-Europe : http://www.cf-europe.org/preso/bhediard/168409/index.html Thanks! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com (dead link...;) ) PS : for people in charge of cf-europe website, there is a big CF error on the home page. -Message d'origine- De : Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 6 août 2003 15:46 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: Benorama.com Google cache? - Jim Brad Roberts wrote: Anyone know if the site will be up soon? Is there another way to get to the site? -Brad ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX + Remoting Assistance Needed
One basic check is to put a cflog in your CFC in order to verify if Flash Remoting calls are performed on the server and if the CFC is correctly executed. If there is nothing generated by cflog, then : - there is something wrong on the swf side, - or the CFC generates an error (you might check if there is any flash.log in CFusionMX/logs) Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Graham Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 4 août 2003 15:45 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: CFMX + Remoting Assistance Needed In my code I pass CGI.Server_Name to the .swf file for the gate url. This works on both local consoles just not from a remote location. At 08:20 AM 8/4/2003, you wrote: You have to change the flash gateway url for each machine. So if you developed on http://www.first machine.com the moved the site to http://www.secondmachine.com you will need to change the gate url. HTH Clint - Original Message - From: Graham Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:01 AM Subject: CFMX + Remoting Assistance Needed I am working on an application which I have working on my development machine which uses CFMX (in Standalone Mode) and Visnetic Website Pro. I am able on the local machine view all of the Flash Remoting Stuff and the site is running smooth. Now I have a Semi-Production Server which is the same as my development machine that I have been using to test my code before it goes live and the code works from the local console on this machine as well. My Problem is when I view the site from a remote location the Flash Remoting Stuff does not work. All of the .swf's are on the same machine in the same directory as the .cfm pages. Is their a way to debug remotely why the Flash stuff does not work on a remote computer browsing the site and why it works from sitting at the console? Do you use the Macromedia MX Suite of Products? A new book has just been published called Macromedia MX: Building Rich Internet Applications Link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321158814/onsite/102-7426 355-5264145 === Graham Pearson, System Administrator / Certified Webmaster / Published Northern Indiana Educational Services Center Voice: (574) 254-0444 Ext 108 / (800) 326-5642 Fax: (574) 254-0148 Http://www.niesc.k12.in.us http://support.niesc.k12.in.us Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX + Remoting Assistance Needed
It really looks like a problem in the gateway definiton in your swf file, it only calls the local machine gateway, are you sure you define the correct gateway URL? From your dev machine, create a new .fla and try to make a simple call to your CFC on the production server, with the NetConnection Debugger activated. If it works, then there is really something wrong in your swf in the gateway definition. Try to hard-code the production gateway URL in your swf just to see... You could also try to perform a direct HTTP call to your CFC to see if it is available for remoting from a remote machine. Something like : http://www.youdomain.com/pathtothecfc/theFacadeCFC.cfc?method=somemethodsom eparameter=somevalue Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Graham Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 4 août 2003 18:14 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CFMX + Remoting Assistance Needed Doing some more testing on this resulted in: If I make an addition to c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc\host file and resolve the domain to 127.0.0.1 the flash remoting application will work from the console but would not work from a remote machine. I added various cflog tags and with the domain resolving to 127.0.0.1 it writes all of the cflog entries with the respected information. Now if I remove the entry in the hosts file all of the cflog tags which have been put in the index.cfm page will be written to the log but all of the cflog tags in the .cfc file which I am calling do not get written to the log. Any additional Information (First time doing a RIA and treading water big time) At 08:59 AM 8/4/2003, you wrote: One basic check is to put a cflog in your CFC in order to verify if Flash Remoting calls are performed on the server and if the CFC is correctly executed. If there is nothing generated by cflog, then : - there is something wrong on the swf side, - or the CFC generates an error (you might check if there is any flash.log in CFusionMX/logs) Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Graham Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 4 août 2003 15:45 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: CFMX + Remoting Assistance Needed In my code I pass CGI.Server_Name to the .swf file for the gate url. This works on both local consoles just not from a remote location. At 08:20 AM 8/4/2003, you wrote: You have to change the flash gateway url for each machine. So if you developed on http://www.first machine.com the moved the site to http://www.secondmachine.com you will need to change the gate url. HTH Clint - Original Message - From: Graham Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:01 AM Subject: CFMX + Remoting Assistance Needed I am working on an application which I have working on my development machine which uses CFMX (in Standalone Mode) and Visnetic Website Pro. I am able on the local machine view all of the Flash Remoting Stuff and the site is running smooth. Now I have a Semi-Production Server which is the same as my development machine that I have been using to test my code before it goes live and the code works from the local console on this machine as well. My Problem is when I view the site from a remote location the Flash Remoting Stuff does not work. All of the .swf's are on the same machine in the same directory as the .cfm pages. Is their a way to debug remotely why the Flash stuff does not work on a remote computer browsing the site and why it works from sitting at the console? Do you use the Macromedia MX Suite of Products? A new book has just been published called Macromedia MX: Building Rich Internet Applications Link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321158814/onsite/102-7426 355-5264145 = == Graham Pearson, System Administrator / Certified Webmaster / Published Northern Indiana Educational Services Center Voice: (574) 254-0444 Ext 108 / (800) 326-5642 Fax: (574) 254-0148 Http://www.niesc.k12.in.us http://support.niesc.k12.in.us Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = == ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Session is invalid on CFMX
You're right Jim. You have to setClientCookies to no in cfapplication, and then you don't get any CFID/CFTOKEN cookies anymore. I've also explicitly added the session timeout in cfapplication to see if it solves my problem/bug. I'll keep you informed! Thanks. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 28 juillet 2003 03:48 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Session is invalid on CFMX -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 9:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Session is invalid on CFMX On Sunday, Jul 27, 2003, at 16:51 US/Pacific, Jim Davis wrote: From what I can tell it doesn't create them if J2EE session management is enabled. However they still ARE created for CF Client Management (Client Scope). That may be where the confusion is. Basically if you enable J2EE sessions and disable clientmanagement the cookies don't look like they're being set. Ah, thanx for that clarification Jim. That makes a lot of sense really. Although I have client variables turned off in the admin but still see the cookies. I guess I need to explicitly disable client management in my cfapplication tag? I'm really not sure... I know I had specific problems due to this (CFTOKEN/CFID not existing when J2EE sessions were enabled) and that's when I sorted it all out. However that was the original MX release. If things are different now perhaps it's an Updater change? Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Session is invalid on CFMX
... Problem not solved, even with : - only JSESSIONID cookie (there isn't any CFID/CFTOKEN cookies), - sessiontimeout defined in cfapplication tag, - clientmanagement disabled. I just got the Session is invalid error message on our production server (under beta testing...). It doesn't want to pass the cfapplication tag on anothersub.domain.com (which was working few minutes ago) and it works fine under www.domain.com. I really start to think that this is a bug. We are probably going to force the user to close its browser with javascript when we trap this error... (pretty violent workaround, isn't it?). Benoit Hediard #affinitiz.com -Message d'origine- De : Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 28 juillet 2003 09:08 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Session is invalid on CFMX You're right Jim. You have to setClientCookies to no in cfapplication, and then you don't get any CFID/CFTOKEN cookies anymore. I've also explicitly added the session timeout in cfapplication to see if it solves my problem/bug. I'll keep you informed! Thanks. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 28 juillet 2003 03:48 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Session is invalid on CFMX -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 9:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Session is invalid on CFMX On Sunday, Jul 27, 2003, at 16:51 US/Pacific, Jim Davis wrote: From what I can tell it doesn't create them if J2EE session management is enabled. However they still ARE created for CF Client Management (Client Scope). That may be where the confusion is. Basically if you enable J2EE sessions and disable clientmanagement the cookies don't look like they're being set. Ah, thanx for that clarification Jim. That makes a lot of sense really. Although I have client variables turned off in the admin but still see the cookies. I guess I need to explicitly disable client management in my cfapplication tag? I'm really not sure... I know I had specific problems due to this (CFTOKEN/CFID not existing when J2EE sessions were enabled) and that's when I sorted it all out. However that was the original MX release. If things are different now perhaps it's an Updater change? Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Session is invalid on CFMX
Hi everyone, Has anyone received the message Session is invalid on his CFMX app? We have a DNS configuration a little bit specific : 10.10.10.10 www.ourdomain.com 10.10.10.10 *.ourdomain.com (which mean any subdomains are redirected to 10.10.10.10) Application.cfm starts with : cfapplication name=ourApp sessionmanagement=yes setdomaincookies=no (changing this to yes does not solve the problem) The application runs fine and the session are available to all requests under www.ourdomain.com or another subdomain.ourdomain.com. But after some period of inactivity in the same browser, we surf again on www.ourdomain.com , it's OK (the session is still there) but when we go to subdomain.ourdomain.com, we got the Session is invalid message. The error is threw during the cfapplication tag. The only solution is to close the browser in order to get a new SessionID. When I got the problem, I looked at the cookie values : - CFIDCFTOKEN have the same values under www.ourdomain and subdomain.ourdomain.com pages, - JSESSIONID have different values under www.ourdomain and subdomain.ourdomain.com page. So JESSIONID is out of sync... (probably the reason why I get the Session is invalid error message). Anyone has the same problem? Is it a bug? We are running CFMX updater 3 on Win2000 with Apache2 with J2EE session. (same problem on RedSky...) I'm going to disable the J2EE session variables to see if it solves the problem. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Session is invalid on CFMX
Thanks Sean. We do not refer to CFID/CFTOKEN on our application, we only use JSESSIONID, especially to maintain the session between CFMX/FlashCom. But are you sure that it does not write CFID/CFTOKEN even if you use J2EE sessions? I just closed all my browsers, deleted all my cookies, re-opened a new browser and on my first CF request, it creates again the persistent CFID/CFTOKEN cookie. It shouldn't? Why when I go to http://www.ourdomain.com/test.cfm and http://subdomain.ourdomain.com/test.cfm : - I got the same value for JSESSIONID for both request. - then I stop surfing, I come back 30 minutes later, then I got a new JSESSIONID for subdomain.ourdomain.com (but I still have the old JSESSIONID for www.ourdomain.com)? The session timeout is set to 60 minutes so it looks like a bug to me, no? Am I the only one to have this Session is invalid message? (I did not find it anywhere else on forum or bugs db) Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : dimanche 27 juillet 2003 20:41 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: Session is invalid on CFMX On Sunday, Jul 27, 2003, at 09:04 US/Pacific, Benoit Hediard wrote: When I got the problem, I looked at the cookie values : - CFIDCFTOKEN have the same values under www.ourdomain and subdomain.ourdomain.com pages, - JSESSIONID have different values under www.ourdomain and subdomain.ourdomain.com page. ... I'm going to disable the J2EE session variables to see if it solves the problem. Ah, it sounds like your code is assuming CFID/CFTOKEN? If you have J2EE Session Variables enabled, I believe that you must not refer to CFID/CFTOKEN anywhere in your code. Once J2EE Session Variables are enabled, CFMX will use jsessionid *instead* of CFID/CFTOKEN. If your code accesses the CFID/CFTOKEN values, they'll be whatever persistent values were last stored on your client computer - and would not be valid. jsessionid, by contrast, is an in-memory cookie and does not persist to disk. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Session is invalid on CFMX
You've changed the default timeout in the CF Admin (from 20 minutes up to 60 minutes), I assume? Are both domains using the same CF install or do they have separate CF Admins? (i.e., is it a CFMX for J2EE setup?) Yes, settings have been set on CF Admin (from 20 minutes up to 60 minutes). It is CFMX Pro Standalone (so one CF Admin). I'm going to try to define the session timeout in the cfapplication tag, it might solve the problem. Benoit Hediard ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: benorama.com down ?
Sorry for that guys... Indeed benorama.com is down since monday and should come back next week. We are currently in the middle of the launch our new MX app and we have moved our servers... More info soon! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Gobo Borz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 25 juillet 2003 20:30 À : CF-Talk Objet : benorama.com down ? in the meantime, check these out.. http://www.corfield.org/coldfusion/coding_standards.html Great Link, thanks! I didn't state all the reasons I wished to access Benorama.com. I believe BlogMx also lives there, and I'd like to try it. -Gobo ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Cons to Fusebox
it is REALLY nice to be able to edit a few lines in your circuit definitions and be done with it, instead of having to change links all over the place. I agree with most of your points. But if you decide to change your fuseaction names and circuits structure, don't you have to change links all over the place, plus the fusebox configuration files? (fuseaction names and circuits are also harcoded all over the place, instead of file names and directories) It solves the problem by adding another one and add complexity/overhead to your app. Always the same dilemma : when to stop to add levels/layers of abstration... :) Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 17 juillet 2003 19:48 À : CF-Talk Objet : Cons to Fusebox First, I just want to be sure you understand what the fuseaction actually is. It's in the format circuit.targetfuseaction, where the circuit part is the alias of a Fusebox circuit, and the targetfuseaction part is the actual action within that circuit that you want to execute. I just wanted to make sure that was clear. So... Abstraction is one huge benefit of circuits. When I do index.cfm?fuseaction=store.productdetails, I don't know, or care, WHERE the store circuit is. This applies to both the logical and physical structure of the site. Using circuit aliases masks these dependencies because the core file handles translation of the alias to a directory path to be called. So as a team developer creating a link to that section of the site, I don't need to know anything about the application's directory structure or where that part of the site is located. On the other hand, using /root/store/products/productdetails.cfm in a link requires you to know EVERYTHING about the physical structure of the site for EVERY link. And if for some reason I refactor the site, and part of the change is to alter the physical location of my products directory, or break it up into more than one directory? Better open up a lot of files or break out the extended search and replace, because every link that points there is going to have to be changed. Circuits also allow for very easy dynamic links. If I have a component that creates a form, and I want to reuse that form in multiple places in the system but I want it to post to different things, this is really easy with circuits. You do: form action=index.cfm?fuseaction=#xfa.formAction#. Then at runtime, you can set xfa.formAction to be anything you need it to be. Bam...like magic the form can now post to any fuseaction you need it to...and you never need to touch the code itself, only set the xfa variable. Pretty much, your question goes right to the heart of why Fusebox uses circuits in the first place. The answer is that when related code is grouped together, that code is easier to maintain and change. Placing code into directories can do this as well, in fact Fusebox circuits are aliases for directories. But with circuits, you get that layer of abstraction between the alias of the circuit and it's actual path. I can tell you from real world experience that when you have to make significant changes to the structure of your application, it is REALLY nice to be able to edit a few lines in your circuit definitions and be done with it, instead of having to change links all over the place. Hope that helps, Brian Mosh Teitelbaum wrote: I've been pondering the benefits and downsides of this approach for a while now. Since you bring it up, I was wondering what everyone else thought about all requests having to come in through an application spine? That is, what benefits exist and/or are perceived to exist from structuring all of your HREFs like index.cfm?fuseaction=foo.bar or index.cfm?displayPage=5 instead of /foo/bar.cfm and page5.cfm respectively? Anyone? -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
It shoud be possible to do that with FlashMX/FlashRemotingMX/ColdFusionMX. You have all the required features in FlashMX : dragdrop, pixel coordinates, remoting to generate the HTML form with ColdFusionMX... But you'll need a really good ActionScript developer to do the Flash UI... It might be better to wait for Royale, http://www.macromedia.com/special/royale/ (even if it seems to be designed for the contrary : to easily generate Flash forms from XML files, and not HTML forms from Flash UI...). I agree with Bryan, why not using a flash Form instead of an HTML form? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 3 juillet 2003 17:04 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFChart: Set Axis Markers?
I'm also interested in an answer to this problem. The possible values for the labelFormat parameter are number, currency, percent, date. When using number you got this float numbers problem... Is it a limitation of CFCHART? (pretty annoying, for example when you display the number of visitors of a site...) Benoit -Message d'origine- De : Suyer, Ed [PRD Non-JJ] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 24 juin 2003 17:42 À : CF-Talk Objet : CFChart: Set Axis Markers? Hi folks, I currently have a cfchart that displays something like this: Line Graph (in ASCII) 650 | 577.8 | 505.6 | X 433 | / 361.1 |X/ 288.9 |/ \/ 216.7 | X \/ 144.4 | / X 72.2 | X 0 | --- J A S N D U U E O E L G P V C How do I get the markers on the y-axis (650, 577.8, ..., 72.2, 0) to read: 700, 600, 500, 400, 300, 200, 100, 0? I'm not currently passing anything to cfchart or cfchartseries that generates these numbers. My guess is that CF takes an average internally to calculate these markers. Any help is much appreciated! TIA ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF MX Q of Q error....
I had a similar error last week. When using date comparison with QoQ with MX, you need to use cfqueryparam value=#someDate# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_DATE. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Buddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 18 juin 2003 02:08 À : CF-Talk Objet : CF MX Q of Q error I just upgraded a box to cfmx and now I am debugging the code. I am getting this error on code that worked well in cf5: Error Executing Database Query. Query Of Queries runtime error. Unsupported type comparison. 227 :cfquery name=SelectASites1 dbtype=QUERY 228 : Select RAW as TRaw from SelectWMDATA WHERE TDATE '#DateFormat(LOOPSTARTDATE,/mm/dd)# 00:00:00' and TDATE '#DateFormat(LOOPENDDATE,/mm/dd)# 23:59:59' 229 :/cfquery The field RAW that is being selected is a DATETIME field from a SQL SERVER. Any insight into why I am having a problem? Do I need to cast my date as something else even though I am doing a date format? I'm so confused. thanks for any help in advance. -Buddy ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: image processing
If you have CFMX, you might also try out : http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/components/imaging.htm It is based on the open source ImageJ java API, 100% java and therefore CFMX native. There are setColor(), setFont() and drawString() methods that should fit your needs. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Mike Townend [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 16 juin 2003 17:23 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: image processing Have a look at CFX_IMAGE, (http://www.kolumbus.fi/jukka.manner/) We started to use it for dynamic menus, but we had a font issue. But we will be implementing it in a picture gallery to 'watermark' images to deter people nicking them HTH Mikey -Original Message- From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 16:12 To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: image processing Sorry for the off topic post but y'all know just about everything under the sun and I'm scared I'll have to do this work by hand: I need to take a single image (jpg or gif - doesn't matter) and overlay text onto it - 650 or more times. The data for the text will come from a SQL server DB (or any DB, text file, spreadsheet - I don't care). It's a one time process per image - not a dynamic update, and I'll need to save a copy of each image for later distribution. So, feed in a blank image (has graphics, no text overlay), spit out 650 copies with different text copy, using any reasonable datasource. It needs to allow specific text formatting (nothing more than font face, size, color) with absolute positioning. I don't really want to have to type in and position the differing text 650 times!! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOT Flash vs Java Applet to display streaming data
If you want to see what can be done with Flash for stocks/trading, you should have a look to this app : http://marketrac.nyse.com/mt/ I think it is Flash5 based... pretty impressive... It should be even faster if it was done with FlashMX. The example always shown by MM is the E*Trade stock quote widget. https://us.etrade.com/e/t/invest?traxui=F_HV (flashlet on the right) There is a small sample applications in DRK1 called Stock Services Library that allow you to easily retrieve and display historical stock information within Macromedia Flash MX : http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/productinfo/product_overview/volume1/ additional_resources.html#1 http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/productinfo/product_overview/volume1/ flash_remote_article.html I haven't seen the java applet from scotttrader.com but a Flash-based app should definitely offer a much better end results (portability, UI, experience...). Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 16 juin 2003 18:12 À : CF-Talk Objet : SOT Flash vs Java Applet to display streaming data Not exactly CF, but there are lots of Flash users out there. Scotttrader at www.scotttrader.com provides a free java applet that allows you to monitor stock positions in real time. ( a more robust version of the java applet is available if you set up a Scottrade account). You can enter multiple lists of up to 10 stocks and it will display real time activity from some sort of streaming feed. A stock ticker and other goodies are also available, but the real-time display of multiple stock positions is the most useful (and most impressive, challenging, etc). As each activity is posted to the spreadsheet-like form, the background color of each affected cell changes to reflect the plus or minus direction of the activity -- green = plus, red = minus, yellow = high or low for the day. Each cell changes color when the activity warrants. It is quite useful to see the colors and numbers ripple through the spreadsheet, every second, or so. In general it is fast and quite nice, but suffers from some of the common Java applet problems: -- works with only certain browser versions -- displays differently (incorrectly) in different browser versions -- does not play nicely with other browser windows. I was wondering if some of the Flash experts out there could answer some general questions: -- Could this be done with Flash? -- Would a Flash implementation perform as well, worse, better than the Java applet? If there is no performance penalty, a Flash implementation would appear to be a better solution. Just to throw something else into the pot, the robust version has an interactive tutorial that works just OK in Java, but would be a natural for Flash. Thoughts Dick P.S. MACR was up .25 to $20.80 at last look! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SOT Flash vs Java Applet to display streaming data
Hi Dick, I've tried to get the applet, but the NYSE, AMEX and OPRA form agreement is only for US people (only US in the select...) and I prefer not to create a fake account. The problem is that I have no idea how they get the data from the java applet.. Is it through a socket connection (real-time)? From which server? Or is it through a scheduled http call (to a web services?), for example every 10s. (nearly real-time)? It is pretty important to know from where you'll get those real-time data. You can do real time data with FlashMX by using the following ActionScript object: - XMLSocket(), you'll need a socket server (http://www.moock.org/unity/), XML text format messages, - NetConnection(), you'll need FlashCom server, AMF binary format messages (much better for the client and the bandwith). But to create a nearly real-time app is much easier to develop... You can easily go from static to nearly real-time. No need for a socket server, a simple application server is required (CFMX for example), the flash client could get data from the server through URL variables, XML data (web services) or flash remoting (prefered method especially if you have CFMX). In ActionScript on the client, you'll just have to create a function/method that get the data from the app server and then create a setInterval() to call this method every x secondes. Anyway, I'm afraid to be too OT for CF-Talk on this thread... You might try to post the question on a flash mailing list such as http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/ Good luck! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 16 juin 2003 19:12 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: SOT Flash vs Java Applet to display streaming data On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 09:49 AM, Benoit Hediard wrote: If you want to see what can be done with Flash for stocks/trading, you should have a look to this app : http://marketrac.nyse.com/mt/ Interesting... won't work on any of my Mac browsers (IE, Safari, Mozilla) I think it is Flash5 based... pretty impressive... It should be even faster if it was done with FlashMX. The example always shown by MM is the E*Trade stock quote widget. https://us.etrade.com/e/t/invest?traxui=F_HV (flashlet on the right) This appears to be static -- the java applet at scottrader is dynamic with streaming data. There is a small sample applications in DRK1 called Stock Services Library that allow you to easily retrieve and display historical stock information within Macromedia Flash MX : http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/productinfo/product_overview/ volume1/ additional_resources.html#1 http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/productinfo/product_overview/ volume1/ flash_remote_article.html These, too, appear to be static -- using historical data I haven't seen the java applet from scotttrader.com but a Flash-based app should definitely offer a much better end results (portability, UI, experience...). If you have the time, Benoit, take a few moments and register for the java applet at: https://www.scottrader.com/Agreements/Register.asp I'd like to hear what you think after seeing the applet. No pain they will not spam or high-pressure you. The key is the use and display of dynamic real-time data. TIA Dick Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 16 juin 2003 18:12 À : CF-Talk Objet : SOT Flash vs Java Applet to display streaming data Not exactly CF, but there are lots of Flash users out there. Scotttrader at www.scotttrader.com provides a free java applet that allows you to monitor stock positions in real time. ( a more robust version of the java applet is available if you set up a Scottrade account). You can enter multiple lists of up to 10 stocks and it will display real time activity from some sort of streaming feed. A stock ticker and other goodies are also available, but the real-time display of multiple stock positions is the most useful (and most impressive, challenging, etc). As each activity is posted to the spreadsheet-like form, the background color of each affected cell changes to reflect the plus or minus direction of the activity -- green = plus, red = minus, yellow = high or low for the day. Each cell changes color when the activity warrants. It is quite useful to see the colors and numbers ripple through the spreadsheet, every second, or so. In general it is fast and quite nice, but suffers from some of the common Java applet problems: -- works with only certain browser versions -- displays differently (incorrectly) in different browser versions -- does not play nicely with other browser windows. I was wondering if some of the Flash experts out there could answer some general questions: -- Could this be done with Flash
RE: Get rid of CFMX's silly X-Mailer ??
The mailerID attributes of cfmail doesn't work? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : fluffy bananachunks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : samedi 5 avril 2003 18:28 À : CF-Talk Objet : Get rid of CFMX's silly X-Mailer ?? How nice of CFM to create what seems to be an unchange-able X-Mailer header for me. *sigh* Is there ANY (preferably NON-commercial) way to change it? CFMX, updater 3 / Linux I've tried an old version of ActivMail 1.2 (which ever so kindly uses IT'S OWN X-Mailer instead...), and I've tried AspMail, which doesn't error, but doesn't seem to do anything either, so I guess it's about that time to go see if I can read some docs ;P Heck, I even tried [cffile/read, replace, cffile/write]'ing to each email in the Spool directory, but I think it was acting too quick and getting the directory list before the file was ever actually written... This would only be a hack anyway, because I don't want every email that leaves the server via CF to have the new X-Mailer. If it comes down to it, then I guess I'll have to figure out some command line way of emailing where I can attach images and change the X-Mailer via cfexecute, but I'd prefer to keep it 'in code' if I can. I've created an Email2Blog site for the T-Mobile Sidekick, and want the option of being able to forward certain entries on to another SK blog site. Whereas I allow/deny based on server list, he allows/denies based on the X-Mailer. When I cfparam a 'new' X-Mailer, it just adds it to the silly CF one. Not sure exactly what 2 X-Mailers do or don't do in an email header, but his site's not liking the combo... Anyone? TIA Geo ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF based blogging software
Hi everyone, BlogMX on benorama.com is just a very basic example application, and is definitely not a complete blogging system (and as you rightly said, it is overly complicated for what it does, because it is just a sample application showing a methodology aimed to build more complex applications). Moreover it was written in august 2002... so it does not represent the latest best practices for CFMX. I plan to write an updated version, with updated best practices next month. For your information, that's funny, because there is currently an initiative launched on CFCDev mailing list to build a blogging system by following different methodologies/frameworks in order to be able to compare them. The discussion has just started few days ago, so it is really just the begining and you might have to wait several month before to see any results. Untill then, you might also check Raymond Camden blog CFC : http://www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog/blog.zip (which looks more like a real blogging system) Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 1 avril 2003 10:40 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: CF based blogging software Michael Dinowitz wrote: Has there been any movement on this front? I found Fuseblog but can't see any way to download it. I'd rather use a CF based blogging system than not and if I wait to write my own it'll take almost forever. BlogMX, http://www.benorama.com/ Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89 70.4
RE: Form Building software
If I were you, I would wait until the DRK3 comes out (April). I don't know if it will answer your needs, but it should provide some interesting CFMX tools, especially : - Advanced Data Manipulation Components, - Data Aggregation and Management Tools. DRK3 content overview : http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/productinfo/product_overview/volume3/ Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 28 mars 2003 13:20 À : CF-Talk Objet : Form Building software Is there any good software out there that will allow me to build simple forms for CF (I'm in the process of designing my own, but if there's something done, why reinvent the wheel?) I'm tired of creating the largely repetitive code for database entry forms and the connected add/update/delete scripts. T ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
OT: Macromedia Central and FlashCom 1.5
Some interesting announcements at Flashforward : - Macromedia Central, a new way to distribute/sell FlashMX applications, http://www.macromedia.com/software/central/ http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/central/ - Macromedia FlashCom MX 1.5 http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashcom/ Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Context root issues - an informal poll
Hi Christian, We currently use CFMX for J2EE with Jrun on developer machines and standalone CFMX on dev/prod server. As we only have one big app per server, there is no need for a context root, so we use the / context root on a cfmx Jrun Server instance (set as a Windows Service in order to get exactly the same behaviour as a Standalone CFMX installation). No issue till now, works great. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 19 mars 2003 23:06 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: Context root issues - an informal poll I'm wondering how many of you use CFMX with JRun (or another J2EE server) and use a context root other than /. In other words, how many of you have to use /cfusion or /cfmx to access your ColdFusion pages? I'm wondering because this type of configuration can affect the way sample applications are distributed. Christian, I use CFMX with JRun, and I don't use / for the context root. I have my servers instances set up as cfmxXX, where XX represents a number (i.e., cfmx1, cfmx2, etc.), with each having a context root of cfusion so that setting up clustering is easier. I actually picked up the idea from Sean's blog on clustering CFMX on JRun. I can swear I remember reading somewhere that using / for a context root can cause problems (or wasn't a good practive or something), which is why I went with the way Sean did it (that, and I figured that if a high-volume site like MM's works fine with that set up, I may as well use it as a best practice). Do you know of any issues with using / as the context root? Anyway, hope the above answers your question. I use cfusion for all of my context roots. Regards, Dave. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Remoting...
You can only push data on demand with Flash Remoting. You cannot control when you'll get the response from a remoting call... (you'll get the response as soon as the request is finished on the server). It is a request/response mechanism. If you need to be able to push data from a server to a Flash client in REAL TIME, you'll need to open a socket connection on your flash client (with XMLSocket() object). On the server side, you'll need a socket server to handle those connections (for example Unity from www.moock.org). But, you'll have to handle the interaction between the socket server and your CFCs. For example, you could write some java class that will call your CFCs and return XML formatted data to your Flash client. So, it is possible, but it requires quite a lot of coding... In fact, the easiest way to do it is to use Flash Communication Server MX and it's remote Shared Objects (more info : http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/flashcom/articles/whiteboard_3.html). On the server side, you would write the Flash Remoting ActionScript that will call your CFCs and populate a remote Shared Object. All the interaction with your CFCs are on the server side, between FlashCom and ColdFusion. As soon as the remote shared objects is modified on FlashCom server, all the Flash clients connected to this shared object will be automatically notified (onSync event). FlashCom hides all the complexity of the socket connection and notification mechanism. It's really great! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 17 mars 2003 15:26 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: Remoting... I see what your trying to do do, but somewhere, something has to poll to see if an update has happenned. How does the CFC know if there was an update? Do you mean a DB update? BTW, it's a great question. Looking forward to other's responses. -Frank - Original Message - From: Tim Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: Remoting... Evening all, When you make a call to createGatewayConnection() from within the Action Script, what happens? What I mean is, does Flash make a call to the CFC purely to check if it exists and then discards anything, or does it hold a reference to the new instance? What we'd like to do is PUSH data to the flash component, rather than PULL it from the server... We could set up a timer on the component to re-cal la function in a CFC every x seconds, but what we'd rather do is (somehow) have the CFC inform flash that an update has happened. As far as I can work out, it's not possible. Am I right in this thinking? Alternatively, is there a way around it? Say having flash call the CFC straight away (once) and the CFC will wait until an update has occurred, then return the new data to Flash, whereupon Flash will update and call the CFC again, which will wait etc etc etc... How about creating an instance of a java class on the CFC call and storing that in a global scope somewhere, which does nothing but wait() until an update has occurred, whereupon CF will call a method on that java object to break out of the wait statement, so the initial CFC call will then complete etc... Would that work? I sure there must be an easier way... Pah, what a thing to be doing on a Monday. Cheers, Tim. --- OUR NEW SITE IS NOW LIVE Visit our new website at http://www.rawnet.com/ and race around the beautiful Bracknell streets at http://xmas.rawnet.com/ --- Tim Blair Web Application Engineer, Rawnet Limited Direct Phone : +44 (0) 1344 393 441 Switchboard : +44 (0) 1344 393 040 --- This message may contain information which is legally privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this information is strictly prohibited. Such notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions, information or conclusions expressed in this message are those of the originator, not of rawnet limited, unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated by an authorised representative of rawnet limited. --- -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http
RE: Remoting...
Alternatively, is there a way around it? Say having flash call the CFC straight away (once) and the CFC will wait until an update has occurred, then return the new data to Flash, whereupon Flash will update and call the CFC again, which will wait etc etc etc... How about creating an instance of a java class on the CFC call and storing that in a global scope somewhere, which does nothing but wait() until an update has occurred, whereupon CF will call a method on that java object to break out of the wait statement, so the initial CFC call will then complete etc... By the way, this method is definitely not recommanded because you'll get timeout problems. Moreover, each clients waiting for a request will eat one thread on your ColdFusion server. If several Flash clients connect at the same time, they will quickly eat all your threads and your ColdFusion server will be dead... In my opinion, the only answers to your problem are : - periodic calls from the client through Flash Remoting to see if an update has occured, Very easy to do, nearly real time (every 10 sec. for example), but it generates a lot of calls/traffic on the server... definitely not recommanded for large site with hundred of simultaneous clients. - socket connection More complex (requires a socket server), but real time and it reduces dramatically calls/traffic on ColdFusion Server. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFC's - Where to put them?
Indeed, it seems a nice way to organise your CFMX code. We do something similar (no files under Jrun4/CFMX installation). Here is our structure (that we use with CFMX Pro/Ent or CFMX for J2EE) : d:/applications ColdFusion pages accessible through HTTP d:/applications/www.myappA.com - an application A (only layout CFM pages and SWF app), document root of an Apache Virtual host d:/applications/www.myappB.com - an application B (only layout CFM pages and SWF app), document root of an Apache Virtual host d:/applications/CF-INF/ ColdFusion components, lib... d:/applications/CF-INF/ - XML config files for all the applications d:/applications/CF-INF/cfcomponents - CFC root (business/data components) shared across all the applications on the server d:/applications/CF-INF/cfpagelets - Pagelets root (view components) shared across all the applications on the server d:/applications/CF-INF/cflibs - UDF Lib root shared across all the applications on the server d:/applications/CF-INF/cftags - CF custom tags shared across all the applications on the server d:/applications/CF-INF/lib - Java libraries root d:/applications/CF-INF/fla - Flash source root d:/files Static files d:/files/www.myappA.com/i18n - properties files for internationalization of application A d:/files/www.myappA.com/cache - cache root d:/files/www.myappA.com/mappingA - an example of Apache mapping for static files (for example /images) (in our case, all the static files are on a dedicated files server running only Apache, files.myappA.com) d:/database database files root Then we add the following mappings in jrun.xml : virtual-mapping resource-path/CF-INF/resource-path system-pathd:/applications/CF-INF//system-path /virtual-mapping virtual-mapping resource-path/com/resource-path system-pathd:/applications/CF-INF/cfcomponents/com/system-path /virtual-mapping We use package naming convention for all our CFC and pagelets (no possible name conflicts between the different applications). Like this you can call any CFC by cfinvoke com.mycompany.myCFC, com.myappA.anotherCFC, any Lib by cfimport /CF-INF/lib/mylib.cfm ... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com PS : for the application name, we use the following convention : - www.myappA.local : application running on the local machine (usually developer's one), - www.myappA.dev : application running on the development server (code reference with source control), (- www.myappA.test : application running on the test/staging server if you have one) - www.myapp.com : application running on the production server(s). -Message d'origine- De : Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : samedi 15 mars 2003 09:28 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: CFC's - Where to put them? On Saturday, Mar 15, 2003, at 00:12 US/Pacific, Dave Carabetta wrote: As for messing with WEB-INF - I would definitely not recommend that! Can you briefly elaborate why? I'd consider it a 'system directory' and subject to change without notice... :) Here's what we do (for CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4): /data /www /appserver /cfmx /config ...mapped in CF Admin... /extensions /components ...in Custom Tag Paths... ...tree of CFCs... /customtags ...in Custom Tag Paths... /includes ...mapped in CF Admin... /wwwroot ...cfm files... /jrun ...JRun 4 installation... /servers /cfmx1 ...server instance... /cfmx2 ...server instance... /lib ...shared (Java) libraries... /httpd /apache ...Apache 1.3.x for gif/html etc... /apache2 ...Apache 2.0.44 for dispatching request... /sites /www.macromedia.com /docs ...HTML/GIF assets... Can I be a pain in the a** and ask you to clarify the above directory structure? I'm a little confused as to where some of these directories are in relation to each other. Oh, didn't the tabs show the indentation? /data/www/appserver/cfmx/ - all the CF source code /data/www/appserver/cfmx/config/ - XML / cfm configuration files /data/www/appserver/cfmx/extensions/components/ - CFC tree /data/www/appserver/cfmx/extensions/customtags/ - custom tags /data/www/appserver/cfmx/extensions/includes/ - mapped directory of includes /data/www/appserver/cfmx/wwwroot/ - cfm docroot /data/www/appserver/jrun/ - JRun 4 installation /data/www/appserver/jrun/servers/cfmx1/ - a CFMX for J2EE server instance /data/www/appserver/jrun/servers/cfmx2/ - a CFMX for J2EE server instance /data/www/appserver/jrun/servers/lib/ - Java libraries and config files used by our CF apps /data/www/httpd/apache/ - Apache 1.3.x installation /data/www/httpd/apache2/ - Apache 2.0.44 installation /data/www/sites/www.macromedia.com/docs/ - HTML docroot Why do you feel that the separation you've come up with is the ideal setup? Because we have many servers with many different software install configurations, we have a standardized directory structure for installing pretty much anything. It works for us. Having the CF stuff outside JRun
RE: CFC's - Where to put them?
Sorry, some typing errors at the end of the previous message : ... any Lib by cfinclude /CF-INF/cflibs/someLib.cfm, any custom tags by cfimport /CF-INF/cftags/ui ... Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : samedi 15 mars 2003 11:33 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CFC's - Where to put them? Indeed, it seems a nice way to organise your CFMX code. We do something similar (no files under Jrun4/CFMX installation). Here is our structure (that we use with CFMX Pro/Ent or CFMX for J2EE) : d:/applications ColdFusion pages accessible through HTTP d:/applications/www.myappA.com - an application A (only layout CFM pages and SWF app), document root of an Apache Virtual host d:/applications/www.myappB.com - an application B (only layout CFM pages and SWF app), document root of an Apache Virtual host d:/applications/CF-INF/ ColdFusion components, lib... d:/applications/CF-INF/ - XML config files for all the applications d:/applications/CF-INF/cfcomponents - CFC root (business/data components) shared across all the applications on the server d:/applications/CF-INF/cfpagelets - Pagelets root (view components) shared across all the applications on the server d:/applications/CF-INF/cflibs - UDF Lib root shared across all the applications on the server d:/applications/CF-INF/cftags - CF custom tags shared across all the applications on the server d:/applications/CF-INF/lib - Java libraries root d:/applications/CF-INF/fla - Flash source root d:/files Static files d:/files/www.myappA.com/i18n - properties files for internationalization of application A d:/files/www.myappA.com/cache - cache root d:/files/www.myappA.com/mappingA - an example of Apache mapping for static files (for example /images) (in our case, all the static files are on a dedicated files server running only Apache, files.myappA.com) d:/database database files root Then we add the following mappings in jrun.xml : virtual-mapping resource-path/CF-INF/resource-path system-pathd:/applications/CF-INF//system-path /virtual-mapping virtual-mapping resource-path/com/resource-path system-pathd:/applications/CF-INF/cfcomponents/com/system-path /virtual-mapping We use package naming convention for all our CFC and pagelets (no possible name conflicts between the different applications). Like this you can call any CFC by cfinvoke com.mycompany.myCFC, com.myappA.anotherCFC, any Lib by cfimport /CF-INF/lib/mylib.cfm ... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com PS : for the application name, we use the following convention : - www.myappA.local : application running on the local machine (usually developer's one), - www.myappA.dev : application running on the development server (code reference with source control), (- www.myappA.test : application running on the test/staging server if you have one) - www.myapp.com : application running on the production server(s). -Message d'origine- De : Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : samedi 15 mars 2003 09:28 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: CFC's - Where to put them? On Saturday, Mar 15, 2003, at 00:12 US/Pacific, Dave Carabetta wrote: As for messing with WEB-INF - I would definitely not recommend that! Can you briefly elaborate why? I'd consider it a 'system directory' and subject to change without notice... :) Here's what we do (for CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4): /data /www /appserver /cfmx /config ...mapped in CF Admin... /extensions /components ...in Custom Tag Paths... ...tree of CFCs... /customtags ...in Custom Tag Paths... /includes ...mapped in CF Admin... /wwwroot ...cfm files... /jrun ...JRun 4 installation... /servers /cfmx1 ...server instance... /cfmx2 ...server instance... /lib ...shared (Java) libraries... /httpd /apache ...Apache 1.3.x for gif/html etc... /apache2 ...Apache 2.0.44 for dispatching request... /sites /www.macromedia.com /docs ...HTML/GIF assets... Can I be a pain in the a** and ask you to clarify the above directory structure? I'm a little confused as to where some of these directories are in relation to each other. Oh, didn't the tabs show the indentation? /data/www/appserver/cfmx/ - all the CF source code /data/www/appserver/cfmx/config/ - XML / cfm configuration files /data/www/appserver/cfmx/extensions/components/ - CFC tree /data/www/appserver/cfmx/extensions/customtags/ - custom tags /data/www/appserver/cfmx/extensions/includes/ - mapped directory of includes /data/www/appserver/cfmx/wwwroot/ - cfm docroot /data/www/appserver/jrun/ - JRun 4 installation /data/www/appserver/jrun/servers/cfmx1/ - a CFMX for J2EE server instance /data/www/appserver/jrun/servers/cfmx2/ - a CFMX for J2EE server instance /data/www/appserver/jrun/servers/lib/ - Java libraries and config files used
RE: CFC's - Where to put them?
Indeed... Sorry, if the site is not up-to-date. From now on, what I do is that I create a CF-INF directory instead of WEB-INF. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 14 mars 2003 11:14 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: CFC's - Where to put them? On Wednesday 12 Mar 2003 18:37 pm, Gyrus wrote: http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/patterns/part8.htm PS : I hope that macromedia won't use those folders in future release of CFMX... Not a good sign... Do MM recomend fidderling with WEB-INF ? -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Don't edit xml config files with DWMX
FYI, I don't know if it is a known issue, but as I encountered this problem right now, I prefer to share it : do not edit jrun.xml file with Dreamweaver MX (and probably other config xml file) . It will mess up your file by removing ending / at some portion of the files resulting in a non-XML compliant file. Result : a crashed installation (services won't start anymore) until you correct the damaged file manually with Notepad... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com PS : I had this problem with jrun.xml file on Jrun4 and CFMX for J2EE (on a new Jrun server) and DWMX 6.1 on Win. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Apache 2.0.44 and CFMX Server HELP!!
Indeed, there is no test.cfm page in htdocs. It is up to you to create a simple one to test your ColdFusion installation with Apache. As for installing Apache before or after CFMX, I don't think that it is important. What does appear in the command prompt when you run the .bat file? (if there is any problem it should be indicated) Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : Juan Nava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 13 mars 2003 23:00 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Apache 2.0.44 and CFMX Server HELP!! Benoit, Wouldn't I need to install Apache first and then CFMX for this to work. Following these steps, the .bat file doesnt put anything in the httpd file and there is no test.cfm file in htdocs. Any suggestoins?? Juan --- Benoit Hediard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Juan, I just installed CFMX + Apache 2.0.44 on Windows 2000 Server yesterday. It worked fine. (I've also installed Jrun4 SP1a + CFMX for J2EE + Apache 2.0.44 on WinXP Home, it also worked fine) Steps : - install CFMX with the default integrated web server, - check your CFMX installation (access CF Administrator), - run the updater 2, - install Apache 2, - check you Apache installation (access the default index.html page), - edit c:\CFusionMX\bin\connectors\Apache_connector.bat and change ..\program files\apache group\apache\.. to ..\program files\apache group\apache2\.. - run the Apache_connector.bat file, - check your CFMX installation with a test.cfm page in Apache htdocs. It should work... If you need to remove any connectors (IIS or Apache), you can run Remove_ALL_connectors.bat. Good luck. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com PS : FYI, the .bat file should add the following lines in your httpd.conf # JRun Settings LoadModule jrun_module C:/CFusionMX/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/mod_jrun20.so IfModule mod_jrun20.c JRunConfig Verbose false JRunConfig Apialloc false JRunConfig Ssl false JRunConfig Ignoresuffixmap true JRunConfig Serverstore C:/CFusionMX/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/jrunserver.store JRunConfig Bootstrap 127.0.0.1:51010 #JRunConfig Errorurl optionally redirect to this URL on errors AddHandler jrun-handler .cfm .cfc .cfml .jsp .jws /IfModule -Message d'origine- De : Juan Nava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 12 mars 2003 22:19 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Apache 2.0.44 and CFMX Server HELP!! Ok. I reinstalled everything. Apache ran fine. I installed CFMX and the updater, and configured Apache for CFMX. Apache still wont start. Same problem with module compatibility. :( --- Lincoln Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/special/updater/faq/ -Original Message- From: Juan Nava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Apache 2.0.44 and CFMX Server HELP!! Do you have a link for that? I havent been able to find it. --- Lincoln Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have Updater 2 installed? You need that to work with the newer versions (i.e., after 2.0.40) of Apache... -lincoln -Original Message- From: Juan Nava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Apache 2.0.44 and CFMX Server HELP!! Hello all. Has anyone successfully installed CFMX on Apache 2.0.44?? Apache wont start after configuring it for CFMX. It says the mod_jrun20 file is not compatible with this version of Apache. Any suggestions??? Thank you very much in advance. --Juan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Apache 2.0.44 and CFMX Server HELP!!
Hi Juan, I just installed CFMX + Apache 2.0.44 on Windows 2000 Server yesterday. It worked fine. (I've also installed Jrun4 SP1a + CFMX for J2EE + Apache 2.0.44 on WinXP Home, it also worked fine) Steps : - install CFMX with the default integrated web server, - check your CFMX installation (access CF Administrator), - run the updater 2, - install Apache 2, - check you Apache installation (access the default index.html page), - edit c:\CFusionMX\bin\connectors\Apache_connector.bat and change ..\program files\apache group\apache\.. to ..\program files\apache group\apache2\.. - run the Apache_connector.bat file, - check your CFMX installation with a test.cfm page in Apache htdocs. It should work... If you need to remove any connectors (IIS or Apache), you can run Remove_ALL_connectors.bat. Good luck. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com PS : FYI, the .bat file should add the following lines in your httpd.conf # JRun Settings LoadModule jrun_module C:/CFusionMX/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/mod_jrun20.so IfModule mod_jrun20.c JRunConfig Verbose false JRunConfig Apialloc false JRunConfig Ssl false JRunConfig Ignoresuffixmap true JRunConfig Serverstore C:/CFusionMX/runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/jrunserver.store JRunConfig Bootstrap 127.0.0.1:51010 #JRunConfig Errorurl optionally redirect to this URL on errors AddHandler jrun-handler .cfm .cfc .cfml .jsp .jws /IfModule -Message d'origine- De : Juan Nava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 12 mars 2003 22:19 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Apache 2.0.44 and CFMX Server HELP!! Ok. I reinstalled everything. Apache ran fine. I installed CFMX and the updater, and configured Apache for CFMX. Apache still wont start. Same problem with module compatibility. :( --- Lincoln Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/special/updater/faq/ -Original Message- From: Juan Nava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Apache 2.0.44 and CFMX Server HELP!! Do you have a link for that? I havent been able to find it. --- Lincoln Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have Updater 2 installed? You need that to work with the newer versions (i.e., after 2.0.40) of Apache... -lincoln -Original Message- From: Juan Nava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Apache 2.0.44 and CFMX Server HELP!! Hello all. Has anyone successfully installed CFMX on Apache 2.0.44?? Apache wont start after configuring it for CFMX. It says the mod_jrun20 file is not compatible with this version of Apache. Any suggestions??? Thank you very much in advance. --Juan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Pros Cons of RIAs
If you need some Pros and concrete RIAs examples, this article is very good : http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/logged_in/thale_rias.html Have a look at all the examples and try to build them with plain HTML... for most of them, it is nearly impossible. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 7 mars 2003 20:15 À : CF-Talk Objet : Pros Cons of RIAs So, in all the responses I've gotten, I've seen RIAs are not for you then RIAs really don't make for good e-commerce. So my question is: When is an RIA justified? When is there a benefit to create an RIA over an HTML application? In the responses I've gotten, there has only been one Pro, the optimization of bandwidth. I think the other is quite obvious, although left unsaid, aesthetics. So far I my list of cons is: - More expensive to develop - Requires more developers - No application consistency - Requires a plug-in - Initial Load Times Increased Dramatically - Requirements for internet connection and computer speeds increased - We rely on a sole company to continue and support the technology (MM) rather than a consensus (WC3) *No one can buy the wc3 and discontinue HTML My list of pros: - After initial load bandwidth can be used more efficiently - Aesthetics Do we have any case studies comparing RIAs to HTML applications? I've heard the pitch numerous times from MM in the last year. I've been hearing it for about 4 year (Generator). Seriously I'm not trying to trash MM or RIAs... I'm just trying to develop a set of rules so I know when it _is_ justified to develop and RIA. Let's please keep this out of the realms of business politics of MM and how they treat developers and have a discussion solely on RIAs. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks. It sucks really bad. It's the worst thing to happen to application interfaces in the short history of computing, next to the QWERTY keyboard. The success of HTML interfaces has been in spite of this awful step backwards in interface design, not because of it. HTML doesn't suck. It's a beautifully simple means of presenting textual information. And with CSS, the potential is there for it to be presented just as elegantly as any print-based layout. However, HTML wasn't designed to function as an application user interface. Which then gets to everything else you said. Yes, I just assumed that people would understand that I was criticizing HTML as an interface for applications. It's fine for content. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New MM.com
Congratulations to Sean and all the team. The new site is great. I like very much the new design and the way the site and the information are organized. One little simple detail that I enjoy, it remembers your latest selection in the home page. For example, if you have choosen Products ColdFusion MX and Solutions Developers, the next time you come, the home page will have them already selected (I suppose this is based on new Shared Objects capabilities). Very simple but efficient personalization... Ok, it is a little bit slow on my PIII 500... but I'm sure it will get better. As for the back/forward buttons in Flash, it seems to be pretty well handled by the 4 RIAs (home, exchange, membership and download). For the moment, it seems to be stable... I haven't seen any error pages... ColdFusionMX+FlashMX unleashed upon the masses! Bravo! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 5 mars 2003 14:02 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: New MM.com Paul Hastings wrote: i come from a rather bandwidth poor part of the world was prepared for p*ss-poor performance. i was surprised at how well bandwidth was used, even the slower portions didn't seem that slow. Overall, I find the site rather slow when using the Flash version. I don't know if there is some traffic shaping that allows only a limited number of connections/limited speed or if Flash gets all the components sequentially or something, but there are very few sites that take 4 seconds to load (yes, I am spoiled). CPU and the connection never max out on my end. As a result, I switched to the HTML version. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Come on guys... it is a Beta version. Is there only never happy people on this list? Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... I disagree about the bad design and confusing things arguments (... agree about the slow one). The organisation of the site seems to be much clear than the previous one. The home page is not intended to ColdFusion Developers... but any kind of audience, that's why it requires a flashy brand/corporate lookfeel. If you don't like it, just go directly to http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/, you don't have to go through it. (there was already a big marketing flash movie in the previous home page) They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... Once you have selected Newest, it will also remember this settings for your next visit (no changes to your historical habits). Come on guys, move forward... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
If it's a beta version, why is it public then? Sometimes when you are trying to experiment new things, you don't have any choices than to experiment live. Look at Google News (http://news.google.com/), it has been launch to the public several months ago (nearly a year) and it is still Google News Beta. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 5 mars 2003 17:21 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: New Macromedia.com launched! If it's a beta version, why is it public then? I mean, I wouldn't think that it's a good practice to put your beta's directly out to the public. Just my 2 cents. Scott -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! Come on guys... it is a Beta version. Is there only never happy people on this list? Marcromedia needs to stop it with all their flash everywhere... it's bad design, slow and confusing in many regards... I disagree about the bad design and confusing things arguments (... agree about the slow one). The organisation of the site seems to be much clear than the previous one. The home page is not intended to ColdFusion Developers... but any kind of audience, that's why it requires a flashy brand/corporate lookfeel. If you don't like it, just go directly to http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/, you don't have to go through it. (there was already a big marketing flash movie in the previous home page) They keep changing the groupings of things as well ... quite a pain this morning to find the Exchanges... had to use the site map Not very hard... Select Product ColdFusion MX on the home page, and then you'll get a direct access to the exchange. (and it will remember this setting) That corner loading/initiaing thing is annoying and doesn't make me feel the site is any more responsive... Hopefully they revise this... Oh and the Exchange by default shows some goofy collection of files initially... you have to go to a right side of screen block to select show newest... a change from how it historically has worked... Once you have selected Newest, it will also remember this settings for your next visit (no changes to your historical habits). Come on guys, move forward... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Hi Mike, Furthermore, it fails some of the most basic requirements (i.e. document validity). I don't think that XHTML compliance is so important, as soon as the site provides XML-compliant feeds of its content. Second, Flash, in of itself, may not be bad design or confusing, but it certainly is not good design to bury flashless design under accessibility. Where's the user control? Where is the alternative design? Moreover, it's not good design to force the download of a new plugin. Frankly, it didn't work when I said no. Moreover, while the organization is better, it's still not good. If the complaint is there's a lot there, check out IBM.com. Sorry, but in my opinion, IBM.com is a very bad example in terms of navigation and user interface. (I know, it is a huge site and the task is very complex...) Have you ever tried to find content in it? Few days ago, I was looking at their PLM section, and depending on where I was clicking, the left navigation menu was not the same (depending on which server I was)... Finally, have you tried to get to the gallery without Flash or Javascript? Good luck. No, I haven't tried. Very few people disable Javascript (perhaps some web developers... ;) ). As for Flash, MM is trying to push their RIAs concept, so this is normal. Frankly, There's no excuse. Nobody is perfect... We will see what MM can do during the following months to improve all of this, especially the speed. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New Macromedia.com launched!
Please, stop the debate about Opera and its 10% Opera marketshare. I don't know where did you get those 10%. In most browser statistics, Opera is below 1%. Example : WebSideStory's figures were compiled independently based on a random daily sample of 20 million visitors to thousands of Web sites that use its HitBox visitor analysis service. According to data from Monday, 3.4 percent of the visitors were using a Netscape browser, 96 percent using IE and less than one percent were using the Opera browser from Opera Software ASA. From day to day the sample shows some fluctuation, but over the past several weeks Netscape usage hasn't been higher than 4 percent, Johnston said. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 5 mars 2003 18:21 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: New Macromedia.com launched! That's about the dumbest thing I've heard in the conversations today. If 10% of the market uses Opera, it's an established browser...Why shouldn't a site test for it? Especially a company such as Macromedia. They screwed up big time. They designed a site that looks good, tries to do some fancy stuff, but falls short on the big picture, and now needs to work on damage control. Scott -Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! You know that MM is not the only site that does not work well with Opera. Wells Fargo Bank's On-Line banking does not work well either. There are a few others that do not work with Opera, so MM is not the only one out there that is not checking for that browser. Why not apply yourself to the QA department if Opera compatibility is such an issue? Personally I do not have any problems loading the new site in IE. I am viewing it on a Dell Inspiron, 1.5 GHZ Pentium 4 processor with a half a gig of RAM, and it is running just fine. Maybe Opera needs to get on board and make their browser work with other companies sites? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! That is the biggest load of BS i've heard all day. Its a website! Test the crap before you upload it, if you dont have a QA deptment get one. If you do have one fire the people because they obviously don't know what they are doing. You can't release a site that doesn't even let you see the front page with a browser like Opera. I run it on IE and its slow as anything. Its like macromedia never stops to think before it releases things lol. Hopefully they fix the opera thing quickly. I mean its only a browser with 10%, and growing, of the market. - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 AM Subject: Re: New Macromedia.com launched! The new macromedia.com is certainly a next generation site, and unfortunately, there are going to be issues like the ones you mention below. I hope people can take the time to let us know when they find things like this by going to the following URL: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/mm_feedback.html I remember when I first used OS X (also a complete re-write and next generation project) it was VERY rough at first, and had issue ranging from performance to compatibility. Over time, however, it has really been refined into an excellent and extremely advanced OS. To some extent, these types of issues are the price you pay when you take big steps forward. Someone has to be pushing the envelope, though, and I'm glad it's Macromedia. Christian On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Jillian Carroll wrote: I'm surprised MM would launch this site given: - Jakob Neilson (and other usability professionals) are going to be watching - They are trying to 'sell sell sell' the idea that Flash has matured and is now faster, friendlier, etc. For my own interest, I checked out the site in several browsers: - NS 6.2.3 and 7.1 (seems to work nearly as I imagine is intended) - NS 4.79 (very little of the site can be seen) - NS 4.78 (much like 4.79, very little can be seen, and the links that are visible, aren't functional) - Mozilla 1.1 (depricates nicely w/o Flash in this browser) - IE 6 (the links in the main 'top' bar don't work properly) It's unfortunate. -- Jillian -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 5, 2003 9:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! I can't say I am too happy with the new site (it was nice to look at first off and in all honesty: It seems a gimmick), but I cant see
RE: Overriding Default Flash Gateway in Object tag
You could use FlashVars param to pass a variable with the gateway name : object classid=clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-44455354 codebase=http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.ca b##version=6,0,0,0 width=540 height=400 id=FlashApp param name=movie value=myApp.swf param name=FlashVars value=gateway=#theGateway#var2=#avalue2# ... /object Another (better) way is to have an xml config file at the same level as your swf file, that you can load during the movie start. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mardi 4 mars 2003 16:19 À : CF-Talk Objet : Overriding Default Flash Gateway in Object tag For the lif of me I can find the reference to where I saw this...isn't there a specific variable u can set in the OBJECT tag of a flash movie to pass in the flash gateway? (makes it easier to test across multiple environments) ThX! Stace AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - Fusebox for Flash?
Indeed, the 2 first recommandations to start to write clean Flash code are : - stop thinking procedural programming think OO programming and package all you class in external .as files, You might check www.gmodeler.com for UML ActionScript class modeling. - stop thinking timeline-based programming think event-based programming with broacaster/listener mechanism. There is an undocumented ASBroadcaster class, but the best is to rewrite it (you can find a Broadcaster.as class in the Petmarket sample application). A broadcaster would act as the controller if you use a Model View Controller approach. Don't forget : - the Flash Components to encapsulate and build reusable client components, (you might check the new Branden Hall's Outlet component in order to build external shared components libraries : http://www.waxpraxis.org/downloads/outlet.zip) - the drawing APIs to dynamically build your interface. At the end, you'll spend most of your time coding ActionScript. That's why a lot of people are using an external ActionScript editor. It might be DreamweaverMX or SciTE|Flash (excellent! http://www.bomberstudios.com/sciteflash/) Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 28 février 2003 06:08 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: OT - Fusebox for Flash? On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 09:55 US/Pacific, dwayne wrote: With Flash on the other hand the Directory Structure is no longer the starting point for organizing the code. It can be. Flash development seems to be shifting toward having almost the 'code' in real ActionScript files - on the file system and organized into components and libraries that you then assemble into movies. Most of the work our Flash application development team is doing uses single frame movies (so the whole timeline nonsense can be effectively ignored) than include one or more .as files. Everything of importance lives in human-readable source code, under version control. If you are worth your weight in code, I'm sure you can agree that all well developed applications require order and organization. Agreed. With out the directory we are left to depend on Timelines and Libraries. You can pretty much ignore those and work just in ActionScript, organizing your files and classes in directory structures as needed. The whole timeline concept seems like HTML pages that cascade and disappear and reappear, that underlay and overlay, and It's just confusing to me. I agree that timeline-based programming is a major paradigm shift for many developers. Fortunately it can be pretty much ignored :) Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - Fusebox for Flash?
Good question... Many people are struggling with that right now... I don't think that there isn't any structured development methodology for FlashMX. Building a Flash Widgets with MX is great and pretty straightforward (like all the demos of RIA and Flash Remoting...). But building real and elegant complex Flash Applications seems to be for the moment very difficult or requires extremely deep knowledges of FlashMX. The few resources on the subject are very low level recommandations (OOP, MVC...) and do not provide any suggestions for the big picture. Look at the PetMarket... It is the only complex RIA available right now from MM. There is some articles on how they've build it. But still, it is very hard to get into it. I spent sometimes few month ago to try to build my own framework/methodology for FlashMX, using OOP, MVC, Flash Components + Remoting and broacasters/listeners concepts, but it was just a basic prototype and I am still not very happy with the result (too complex, too much lines of code...). I'll try to re-work on it when I'll have some time in few month and might present some of its concepts at CF-Europe in may (in London). Some people managed to do it like Grant Skinner and its gModeler (www.gmodeler.com) : one of the most amazing Flash Application I've ever seen! gModeler is built on top of FlashOS2 (http://www.gskinner.com/site1/default.asp) : FlashOS2 is the successor to FlashOS by Grant Skinner. It is a collection of assets that are encapsulate, reusable, and have documented APIs. FlashOS2 allows for very rapid online application development, as it manages common elements like menus, menu bars, windows, dialogs, tooltips, file management, settings loading, asset loading, content display, screen management and more. To have a structured development methodology for FlashMX is very crucial for the future of RIA and Macromedia should really try to bring an answer to this demand (and I suppose that MM is very aware of this problem). CF Developers would like to be able to build applications more advanced than simple Flash Widgets. So? Does anyone have heard about structured development methodologies for FlashMX+ColdFusionMX? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : dwayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 27 février 2003 10:43 À : CF-Talk Objet : OT - Fusebox for Flash? Is this possible? I've been looking for a structured development methodology for rich-applications using Flash. To me, Fusebox offers a solid framework for organizing and maintaing code. Is there such a framework for Flash? I've been tinkering with Flash-Remoting and ColdFusion Components for the past 6 months now but I just can't get with the all over the place coding. Dwayne Cole, MS in MIS, MBA Florida AM University Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - Fusebox for Flash?
Hi Dave, I think it's important to separate methodology from framework. There certainly are methodologies for building Flash applications. However, there are no well-established frameworks. Lots of Flash developers are building Model-View-Controller or Model-View-Presenter apps in Flash, but there's no equivalent of Struts for Flash, to my knowledge. Indeed, this is what we're complaining about, there isn't any well-established framework to build applications in FlashMX till now. I am not sure that there is any well-established methodologies either (MVC/MVP are only design patterns), especially with Remoting involved. You might find this book useful: http://www.wheelmaker.org/ http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735711836/ref=ase_wheelmaker-20/104- 8992403-7141547 Yep, this is an excellent book, one of the best in this area, highly recommended. Don't get me wrong, I love Flash. I was only responding to the fact that many CF Developers encouter problems when they try to build RIAs. They don't know from where to start, even if they have understood Flash Remoting, Flash Components and OOP ActionScript principles. Except Petmarket, there is no clear guidelines/blueprints/best practices on how to architect the client side of a real RIA (and not a simple Flash Widget). It has always been the strength and weakness of Flash : the freedom it offers you... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: calling cfc's
You could use a JRun virtual mapping : - edit c:/CFusionMX/wwwroot/WEB-INF/jrun-web.xml, - add the com virtual mapping : virtual-mapping resource-path/com/resource-path system-pathE:/cfcomponents/com/system-path /virtual-mapping (if your CFC naming convention is com.mycompany.myCFC) Like this you can call your CFCs where ever you're : cfinvoke component=com.mycompany.myCFC ... If you want to change the CFCs location, just edit jrun-web.xml. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 21 février 2003 19:58 À : CF-Talk Objet : calling cfc's How do you call a cfc if you're not 100% sure what the site directory is going to be. Is there anyway to call a cfc relatively. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Standalone CFMX/FlashMX app
Hi Bryan, For your information, if you just want a standalone FlashMX app with database connectivity, you might check MDM Flash Studio Pro (http://www.multidmedia.com/software/flashstudio/). They allow you to generate a Projector with added capabilities such as MySQL and Access Database Support. Connect Directly to any MySQL or Access Database without the need of any serverside scripts or local IIS! Connect directly to a database to read and write to your database! SQL Statement support - unrivaled functionality! I never used it but it looks pretty interesting. Good luck! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 14 février 2003 18:17 À : CF-Talk Objet : Standalone CFMX/FlashMX app Hey All, Well I'm embarking on an app that is intended to run off a local database with the functionality to sync with a central connected database when the app is connected to the Net. So I'm wondering if: 1) Anyone has any experience in this arena they'd like to share 2) Would a DNSless connection to the local DB be the way to go, or are there other methods/suggestions 3) Any issues I should be aware of when running a Flash MX through the standalone player? 4) I guess the big grey area is CF running standalone??? Lets assume Access (just for proof of conceptwill probably end up as SQLAnywhere) Thanks to all that pitch in their 2 cents ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFFORM vs FORM
I don't think that the question should be CFForm is good or bad?. It should be Does it answer to your needs?. If you don't need more validation capabilites, you should go for CFForm automatic JS validation. If you find them too limited, then go for manual JS validation. My 0.02... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mardi 11 février 2003 19:34 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: CFFORM vs FORM very true just hard to argue with Ben personally I haven't bothered learning the cfform tags but after I read that I am compelled to try it out. not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone just thought I would mention it. but then again don't listen to be (see below, loll) dave !--- doesn't know jack about cfm --- - Original Message - From: charlie griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: Re: CFFORM vs FORM Dave Lyons writes: I distinctly remember reading in Ben Forta book cfwack, that this issue was brought up and he cleared said that it was a very good tag to use. if need be I will flip through and try to find the wording if necessary If that is in fact Ben's opinion, he's entitled to it (just as we all are). He may have recommended it because it can arguably 'speed up' development...but I think the costs (not learning) are too high a price to pay for that small convenience. $0.02. Charlie - Original Message - From: Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: Re: CFFORM vs FORM - Original Message - From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: RE: CFFORM vs FORM well, that makes sense for someone proficient in js :) for those of us who arent, it really is a blessing. NOTICE TO ALL WHO ARE NOT HIGHLY PROFICIENT IN JS CFMX AND CFFORM TAGS ARE OK I could not disagree with this statement more. For the record, I've not yet played with MX...but my comments speak to the usage of cfform in general. 1) You are a professional Web Developer (or some such title that implies the same). If you're not proficient in js, learn it or risk falling behind the curve. 2) cfform can only do so much. Can you compare two field values to see if they're equal? Can you say, 'if this field has a value then this field cannot'? Can you do anything past the basic validation? By learning JS, you give yourself that ability. By relying on cfform, you are very limited in what you can do. 3) If you truly think having CF do the work for you (in generating its own JS) is 'a blessing'...you are very wrong. It's a curse because it coaxes you in to a false sense of security while others around you are moving forward with javascript and learning numerous other things that can be accomplished with js. you will always be limited to checking to see if a field is empty. or if it's numeric. h. blessing. Not trying to come down on you. But since you stood on the soapbox and yelled to the world that it's 'OK' to be in this field (Web Development) and not be profieient in JS...well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. My opinion is that if you don't know XHTML, XML, JavaScript, CSS, and at least one server side scripting language (CF, ASP, JSP, etc)...and are content to know less...then you're in for a rude awakening. Just my $0.02. Charlie ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Screening files before CFFile upload
Hi, You can also add some Javascript client side validation : http://www.massimocorner.com/beta/js_upload.htm Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 29 janvier 2003 19:39 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Screening files before CFFile upload http://markme.com/cantrell/weblog/index.cfm?m=1d=28y=2003 Bryan F. Hogan Director of Internet Development Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer Digital Bay Media, Inc. 1-877-72DIGITAL -Original Message- From: E. Keith Dodd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Screening files before CFFile upload Am wondering whether I can check for size, appropriate extension, etc. on files before they are uploaded using CFFile. Presently, I am uploading the files (with limited use of attribute accept), then using the CFFile output structure to delete any that don't fit my criteria. I am using MX and the standard html form for initial input with the enctype=multipart/form-data and the input type=file. Searching the CFTalk archives, I found some referrals to being able to check the extension of the file on the action page BEFORE using CFFile. One reference suggests using: cfif not listfindnocase(gif,jpg,jpeg,listlast(form.myfilefield,.)) to pick up any inappropriate extensions. (http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/msg124531.html) I find that I cannot do anything like that because the form field value is not the initial value in the field before submitting; it is one with a .tmp extension, as in: C:\CFusionMX\runtime\servers\default\SERVER-INF\temp\wwwroot-tmp\n eotemp\114 84.tmp (I assume the process creates a temporary stored file.) I get this result both locally on development MX (Using IE) and on remote MX server--tested with both IE and Netscape. Am I missing something? Based on my results, I can NOT *examine* the file prior to cffile's upload? Thanks E. Keith Dodd Wings of Eagles Services www.wingserv.com - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by declude AntiVirus Software] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Design Pattern Question
Hi everyone, Thanks for all the positive feedbacks on benorama.com ColdFusion content. The articles I've put online are a set of Best practices and general design techniques that I daily used for advanced CFMX application development (in our company, a collaborative plate-form). They are certainly not perfect (it is not 100% MVC on the controller part) but they work very well. The idea is that you can take whatever you like and adapt them to your needs. I should add some more details on my use of CFCs, but I haven't updated the site since august 2002... For the moment, here it is on CF-Talk. I usually create : - Entity CFCs that correspond to physical persistent entity (usually a single row in one or several database tables). they inherits from a base Entity.cfc with init and getProperties methods, they usually have at least load, create, store and remove methods, Ex. : cfscript newsEntityInstance = createObject(component,com.mycompany.news.NewsEntity); newsEntityInstance.load(1011); newsEntityInstance.title = I have changed the title; // or newsEntityInstance.setTitle(I have changed the title); // if you create setter/getter functions for each properties newsEntityInstance.store(); /cfscript - Utility CFCs that encapsulate generic business logic and are not persistent and stateless. Ex. : cfscript newsUtility = createObject(component,com.mycompany.news.NewsUtility); lastNewsRecordSet = newsUtility.getLastNews(); /cfscript - Session CFCs that act as a facade to handle the client session (statefull). Ex. : !--- use the com.mycompany.member.MemberSession CFC put in session scope --- cfif session.currentMember.hasTheRightToDoThat() ... /cfif This is how I use CFCs for a 100% ColdFusion-based application, but if you have good J2EE skills in your team and if it is required, you might replace those CFCs by EJBs (with all their pros and cons...). Last month, I also spent some time to try to establish methodologies/best practices for complex Flash MX application development : how to nicely apply MVC to Flash MX and Flash remoting. Right now, I used facade CFCs on the server side and ActionScript proxy class on the client side, encapsulated in Flash components. Each Flash components correspond more or less to a CF pagelet. But Flash components are not only a View with some Model calls to get content, they integrate the full MVC pattern and use at least four ActionScript class (per component) : - a View class that dynamically display the content and set the layout, - a Model class to hold the data of the component, - a Controller class (the Broadcaster class based on the events listener/broadcaster mechanism), - a Service class to call the server components through one or several facade CFCs (the only CFCs with a remote access), - the main component class that contains and uses all those classes. But I am still not completely happy with that (pretty complex to develop and to maintain). I am going to re-work on it when I'll have sometimes during the following months. As soon as I have got something more clear and elegant, I'll put in online in the Flash section of benorama.com. Any feedbacks or suggestions on all those stuffs (ColdFusion or Flash) are welcome! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Resizing images under Linux
Hi, Indeed, ImageJ is another imaging Java library, it is easier to use than JAI. It supports GIF and it is the world's fastest pure Java image processing program. It can filter a 2048x2048 image in 0.5 seconds. That's over 8 million pixels per second!. If you look at Todd's ones and my examples (http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/libraries/imaging.htm), you'll see that it is very easy to use from CF. I don't know about the quality of the generated thumbnails compared to JAI ones... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:todd;web-rat.com] Envoyé : mardi 5 novembre 2002 23:23 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Resizing images under Linux My research with the ImageJ library: http://www.web-rat.com/mt2/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=2search=image+j Ben Hediard pointed imageJ out to me ages ago - http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij/index.html ~Todd On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Kevin Graeme wrote: I read that article before, and it looks to me that the huge downside of JAI is the lack of GIF support. it can write BMP, JPG, TIF, PNG, but if you must write GIF files, then you ll have to find another implementation (note that the PNG file format is an acceptable substitute for GIF file format). I would love it if PNG were an acceptable substitute, but it's implementation in browsers seems worse than CSS. -Kevin -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:sean;corfield.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Resizing images under Linux Check out JAI - the Java image library. Matt Liotta wrote an article on this for the DesDev Center recently... *searches* http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/articles/jai_images.html That Java code should be callable from CF5. On Tuesday, Nov 5, 2002, at 11:30 US/Pacific, Rick Root wrote: Nope, requires windows... and as I said I'm using Linux. I'm researching the GD library which would allow me to write a perl script and call that via CFEXECUTE... but I'd much rather find an existing solution :) - Rick Ryan Farrell wrote: We are working with something called AutoImager. Our particular solution requires that we resize images and create thumbnails in a nightly batch, but the program may be able to meet your requirements. Check it out at http://www.mystikmedia.com/autoimager.asp. I can smell your brains! -- Mittens the Kitten : http://www.matazone.co.uk/theotherside.html ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Blogging
Indeed, I did one with CFMX... but it is more a demo application (proof of concept) than a full featured application : it is extremely basic. But I suppose you could use it or take some ideas as a basis for a real blog application. Here it is : http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/patterns/part10.htm Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) [mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo;csd.reedexpo.com] Envoyé : mercredi 6 novembre 2002 17:26 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Blogging there is a CFMX one. cant remember who did it? -Original Message- From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:jillian;koskie.com] Sent: 06 November 2002 15:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: Blogging Does anybody know of any blogging software written in CF? -- Jillian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Protecting NON-CF Files with CF
Hi, The problem with cfcontent is that it uses one CF thread per download... So if you have several users downloading large files from you server at the same time, your server will be quickly down (all the CF threads will be taken one by one by the downloads). Most of big download sites use another technique, it seems that they check the authentication through a dynamic page and return a download info page, the download is then fired by a javascript on the client side (so the download is handled by the web server, not the application server). But I still wonder how they handle the security access from the javascript call... Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : JLH All Turbo [mailto:jacob;allturbo.com] Envoyé : mardi 29 octobre 2002 16:06 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: Protecting NON-CF Files with CF I was trying that with cfcontent and it's just destroying the server. coolfusion.com had a solution for me, they had an iauth tag that would take a yes or no from cf and pass a generic l/p to windows if yes and would just shut down if no. but it stopped working. so i'm looking for other solutions. j - Original Message - From: Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Protecting NON-CF Files with CF Look into cfcontent. In short, basically, hide the files in a non-web accessible directory and then use cfcontent in a CF page to deliver the file to the user. At 09:53 AM 10/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: We have to protect an entire directory and it's subdirectories with CF. We'd like to use CF to process our logins.. but can't have people directly linking to JPGs and MPGs etc under neath.. since CF can't really protect these individual files unless called through a CFM page, we've run into a problem. How can we accomplish this? We DO own a copy of AuthentiX and unfortunately CFContent is not a viable solution. This site will have upwards of 12,000 simultaneous users and CFContent has too much overheard. Thank you! JLH ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Slightly OT - Powered by MX logo's ?
Here it is : http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/style_guide/buttons/ Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Mike Brunt [mailto:mbrunt;webapper.com] Envoyé : jeudi 24 octobre 2002 02:49 À : CF-Talk Objet : Slightly OT - Powered by MX logo's ? Can someone point me to where I can get Powered by ColdFusion MX logo's? Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO Webapper http://www.webapper.com Downey CA Office 562.243.6255 AIM - webappermb Webapper - Making the NET work ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Can't start CFMX Admin - No Default Web Site
IIS Connector script : c:\CFusionMX\bin\connectors\IIS_connector.bat It should work fine after that. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Paul Wilson [mailto:Paul;Dataflow-it.com] Envoyé : jeudi 24 octobre 2002 13:21 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Can't start CFMX Admin - No Default Web Site No i havn't - What does that do and where can I find it. I didn't do anything like that when i installed it?? -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:jochemd;oli.tudelft.nl] Sent: 24 October 2002 11:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Can't start CFMX Admin - No Default Web Site Paul Wilson wrote: I have tried to add the default web site again and point the directory to c:\inetpub\wwwroot but i still get page cannot be displayed Did you run the connector script after re-creating the default website? Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: CFMX Developer Edition wish was Re: Pro v Enterprise?
Sorry Greg, but I think you're wrong on most of your points. I agree with Dave Watts and Hal Helms comments. With commercial application servers, it is a common practice to pay for development server licenses. Most of commercial application servers don't even have the equivalent of the free CF Developer Edition (for example, Websphere AS is only free during 6 months (trial), then you have to buy a licence, whatever you do with it : dev, staging, production...). If you cannot understand this practice, then perhaps should you go for open source technologies. From now on, please stop this thread on CF-TALK, the topic is related to CF-PARTNERS. Thanks. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Greg Bullough [mailto:gwb;outofchaos.com] Envoyé : vendredi 18 octobre 2002 13:42 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CFMX Developer Edition wish was Re: Pro v Enterprise? At 09:19 PM 10/17/02 -0400, Vernon Viehe wrote: I don't see where we're raising the cost of entry, we actually dropped the price of Pro alot. You're raising the cost of entry by differentiating the Enterprise and Pro editions along the lines of a basic programming construct (specifically, JSP tags) for the first time in the history of the product. The difference between $1000 and $5000 is the increase. The developer's edition is not intended to serve all development needs in all circumstances, Why call it 'developer's edition' then? Why not call it 'random collection of function that we hope some people may find useful?' it's intended to serve a single developer in their daily work. For occasional proof of concept demos, there are creative alternatives such as installing the trial/dev on a fresh system and demo'ing within 30 days, or putting the demo up at a CF hosting service. Oh great. I'll just put the demo system up on my laptop and demo it within 30 days, and EITHER THROW AWAY THE LAPTOP OR REINSTALL THE WHOLE OS NEXT MONTH WHEN I NEED TO DO THE SAME THING. That makes sense. This is why I get infuriated with the software vendor types (of which I was once one) who get paid regardless. They seem to forget that the time I may spend screwing around trying to get around the shortcomings in their thinking is time I probably DON'T get paid for billable work. For ongoing development needs, purchasing a licensed development server currently is part of setting up shop, like purchasing the development server hardware. I haven't seen any calls for free development hardware, but if those companies start to give away free development hardware, we'd be able to get this request through easily. =) Let's not be flippant, shall we? Production costs for copies of hardware vs. software are two different things. What you're saying is that Macromedia is not willing to make any investment in its developers (and don't point to the Partner Program...right now that is more of another profit center than an investment). Fine, Vernon. I get your message: 'If you want support from the vendor, then go elsewhere.' Loud and clear. Your hubris is showing. See ya. Greg ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Printing the colours from DreamweaverMX
I think that this is a known bug in DWMX. You can't print code in colour. Benoit Hediard #affinitiz.com -Message d'origine- De : James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 16 octobre 2002 15:38 À : CF-Talk Objet : Printing the colours from DreamweaverMX Does anyone know if there is anyway to get DreamweaverMX to print the code in colour (as it displays) or are we stuck with black and white? -- James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion?
My .2 euro cents (based on the market I know). Even if it is the best RAD tool on the market, I think it's going to be hard for CFMX to fight against the current .NET (asp.net) and J2EE (jsp) trends on the french enterprise market. In France, the CF hype was during the big Internet era (2/3 years ago). It was mainly used by people building web applications at that time : web agencies. This era is over (most of enterprise applications are developped in house). Now that web technologies (application servers) are becoming the heart of enterprise IT infrastructures, IT decision makers have to choose or have choosen in between the two current main tech trends : .NET or J2EE (usually depending on their company background). Those technology choices are now taken at the corporate level (not the departemental level anymore). Most of french IT managers and decision makers don't know much about CF (much more popular in US than in Europe, I think). Moreover, CFMX is a brand new product and is not used (yet) by large web sites... So for them, it is not a proven solution on the market, even for the front end of J2EE applications. They don't want to take any risks. I know that it is a pity (I am big fan of CFMX), but it's like that. I am very curious to see what will happen next for CFMX here, especially with IBM sales forces. In my opinion, the success of CFMX will also depends on the adoption of the Rich Internet Application concept. CFMX is (from far) the best server side to build Rich Internet App. Everybody predict the success of this concept, Forester call it the X-Internet (eXecutable by 2003 + eXtended by 2005 ;). The problem right now : there isn't any real big Rich Internet App on the market, and till then, no decision makers will take any risks to bet on it. So what MM needs is real life examples : something like amazon has integrated Rich Internet Applications with CFMX+FlashMX on their site and their sales have been improved by 20%! Then corporate decision makers will run to MM to get licenses!!! Decision makers needs facts (not demos) : - technology facts (scalibility real examples) - and business facts (ROI real examples). It will certainly happen, I don't worry about the future of CFMX + FlashMX. In this area, it is going to be a killer technology, but it will take some time... Market adoption of new technologies is VERY slow right now (look at .NET!). So be patient and prepare your MX skills... (message : learn Flash MX) Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 16 octobre 2002 21:53 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? There are also uses for CF that are more properly called Utility or Application Support programs. Examples of this are: 1) Using CF to write a general-purpose SQL client that can be used by developers and by end-users for ad hoc database manipulation -- you can put a secure, non-destructive, easy-to-use SQL tool in the hands of end users. 2) Data analysis - as part of the development process it is often necessary to analyze a client's existing offline database to determine the needs and optimum design of the online database, 3) Using CF to try different database/application design alternatives. 4) Once a database design has been determined, using CF to create and populate the online database from the client's offline database -- validating, restructuring and normalizing the data as part of the conversion process. 5) Using CF to prototype a client's application without expending a lot of resources. All of these share the characteristic of infrequent, or incidental use -- and aren't really considered production applications. Because of its powerful database (and data) manipulation capability and the ease with which you can create programs, CF is a superior tool for the above. Dick On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 12:14 PM, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: Ok - so there a lot of .cfm sites and pages out there - more than .JSP ... or am I missing something. I wouldn't use a google search as a definitive test (for anything). CF is a widely adopted technology inside the intranet and extranet as well. In fact, the most amazing uses of CF have always been on the intranet - not the public web. -Original Message- From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? Trey, I just did a very simple search on Google looked for .cfm got 25.5 million results, .asp 89.2 million, .php 106 million, .jsp 13.6 million. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO Webapper http://www.webapper.com Downey CA Office 562.243.6255 AIM - webappermb ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar
RE: French Accents in CF
First of all, you have to make sure that you have put cfscript setEncoding(form, utf-8); setEncoding(url, utf-8); /cfscript cfcontent type=text/html; charset=utf-8 in your application.cfm. Then, check if you have installed the CFMX updater, it solves the bug related to encoding with forms post with enctype=multipart/form-data. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Brook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mardi 15 octobre 2002 20:19 À : CF-Talk Objet : French Accents in CF Hi, I'm having some trouble with french accents. I submit a form which has a french accent in one of the fields Hervé, on the next page outputting the form.fieldname displays Hervé. But the debugging output shows the correct value in the form field. What does one need to do to support french characters? Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks! Brook Davies ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Full Text Indexs
The noise word file used is the one corresponding to the language you
specified during the full-text index creation.
In the full-text indexing Wizard Select Table Columns step, you define a
Language for Word Breaker.
For example, we are using French (France) in our application, and it works
fine.
I recommand you not to empty the noise words files, you'll loose some great
capabilities of full-text search.
For example, if someone search for a letter/number or a common word ('the',
'or'...), those words should be ignored, otherwise you'll get plenty of
noise in your results.
Even if it is minimal, the noise words file should never be empty.
Perhaps, should you try to delete all the full-text indexes and re-create
them from scratch?
Benoit Hediard
www.benorama.com
-Message d'origine-
De : Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : lundi 14 octobre 2002 17:18
À : CF-Talk
Objet : RE: Full Text Indexs
this doesn't appear to be the case here. After eight still throws an
error as after is reserved. eight however is ok. I have checked the
noise.eng file and it is empty. Is there any weay of telling which noise
file is being used? - I assume it's the English one
-Original Message-
From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 11 October 2002 18:08
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Full Text Indexs
It should only throw an error if all the search words are defined in the
noise words file.
For example :
The will throw an error,
The foo will return results based on foo search.
In our application, we have customized the noise word file and put each full
text SQL search in cftry blocks.
If an error is thrown we create an empty recordset.
For example :
cftry
cfquery name=qSearch datasource=#application.stConfig.DSN#
select ID_NEWS as ID,
TITLE_NEWS as Title,
CREATEDBYID_NEWS as CreatedByID,
CREATEDBY_NEWS as CreatedByLogin,
CREATIONDATE_NEWS as CreationDate
fromITEM_NEWS
and (contains(TITLE_NEWS,'#arguments.Text#')
or
contains(DESCRIPTION_NEWS,'#arguments.Text#'))
/cfquery
cfcatch type=Database
cfset qSearch =
queryNew(ID,Title,CreatedByID,CreatedByLogin,CreationDate)
/cfcatch
/cftry
Benoit Hediard
www.benorama.com
-Message d'origine-
De : Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : vendredi 11 octobre 2002 18:41
À : CF-Talk
Objet : RE: Full Text Indexs
Hi
We tried this but it didn't seem to work. We only changed the english one.
When we search on these key words it still throws an ODBC error. Any ideas?
Andy
-Original Message-
From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 11 October 2002 13:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Full Text Indexs
If you are using SQL Server 2000, all the noise words are defined in a
text files, one per language, you can easily modify them (add/remove words)
:
../Microsoft SQL Server/MSSQL/FTDATA/SQLServer/Config/noise.eng for
english indexing
../Microsoft SQL Server/MSSQL/FTDATA/SQLServer/Config/noise.fra for french
indexing
.
Once modified, you'll have to rebuild your full-text indexes.
Benoit Hediard
www.benorama.com
-Message d'origine-
De : Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : vendredi 11 octobre 2002 14:00
À : CF-Talk
Objet : Full Text Indexs
Bit OT but thought I'd test the SQL gurus on here - I have built some full
text indexes and am trying to get it to ignore the ignored words if that
makes sense. For exaple if I type after eight into a search box it gives
an error as after is a reserved word. How to I get SQL to ignore these
words when performing my fulltext query?
Alternatively does anyone know where I can find a full list of these ignored
words?
Andy
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RE: Duplicate UserNames / Passwords logging into a site
I don't think that there is clean way to accomplish this. Because there is no good way to know when the user log off (for example if the user closes the browser window, instead of clicking on the Deconnect button...). If you implement a system based on application scope (to register all the online people), you might lock an account. Let's say you close your browser (or that it hangs), the user will not be removed from the application structure registering all the Session IDs. Come back 1 hour later, you'll get a new session ID from CF : the system will say, sorry this user is still online and you won't be able to log in... With FlashCom, it would be possible, because you get 2-way communication protocol, but you'll need a FlashMX client. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : lundi 14 octobre 2002 19:30 À : CF-Talk Objet : Duplicate UserNames / Passwords logging into a site Hi All, I need some ideas on the best approach to the following: I have a subscription based site, where everyone has their own user name and password (I keep duplicates from being entered in the database). However, the problem is with sharing of usernames and passwords. Say for example I log in as UID = mark and PWD = 12345, while I'm in using the site, someone else can use this same user name and password to log in and use the site illegally. The ideal situation would be if I were logged in, then a second person tries to use my UID and PWD, the second person is denied access, and the first person is booted out and given a warning screen that they account may be deactivated because of abuse. I use session management on this site, but have not implemented cookies. What would be a good way to accomplish this? Thanks, Mark ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Full Text Indexs
It should only throw an error if all the search words are defined in the noise words file. For example : The will throw an error, The foo will return results based on foo search. In our application, we have customized the noise word file and put each full text SQL search in cftry blocks. If an error is thrown we create an empty recordset. For example : cftry cfquery name=qSearch datasource=#application.stConfig.DSN# select ID_NEWS as ID, TITLE_NEWS as Title, CREATEDBYID_NEWS as CreatedByID, CREATEDBY_NEWS as CreatedByLogin, CREATIONDATE_NEWS as CreationDate fromITEM_NEWS and (contains(TITLE_NEWS,'#arguments.Text#') or contains(DESCRIPTION_NEWS,'#arguments.Text#')) /cfquery cfcatch type=Database cfset qSearch = queryNew(ID,Title,CreatedByID,CreatedByLogin,CreationDate) /cfcatch /cftry Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 11 octobre 2002 18:41 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Full Text Indexs Hi We tried this but it didn't seem to work. We only changed the english one. When we search on these key words it still throws an ODBC error. Any ideas? Andy -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 October 2002 13:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Full Text Indexs If you are using SQL Server 2000, all the noise words are defined in a text files, one per language, you can easily modify them (add/remove words) : ../Microsoft SQL Server/MSSQL/FTDATA/SQLServer/Config/noise.eng for english indexing ../Microsoft SQL Server/MSSQL/FTDATA/SQLServer/Config/noise.fra for french indexing . Once modified, you'll have to rebuild your full-text indexes. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 11 octobre 2002 14:00 À : CF-Talk Objet : Full Text Indexs Bit OT but thought I'd test the SQL gurus on here - I have built some full text indexes and am trying to get it to ignore the ignored words if that makes sense. For exaple if I type after eight into a search box it gives an error as after is a reserved word. How to I get SQL to ignore these words when performing my fulltext query? Alternatively does anyone know where I can find a full list of these ignored words? Andy ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: File/IMG info
If you use CFMX, you can use java imaging libraries, it will be cleaner than a CFX : - JAI, (example at http://www.evolt.org/article/Image_Manipulation_with_CFMX_and_JAI/18/33907/) , - ImageJ (example at http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/libraries/imaging.htm). Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Scott Weikert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 11 octobre 2002 18:43 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: File/IMG info CFX_ImgSize, can get it from the DevEx. At 12:36 PM 10/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: I need to get the size and dimensions of an image file from a directory (not at the time of upload). Thought I could do it through a cffile read but I don't see any variables available for that action. Anyone have any ideas? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Well said Jesse. The funny thing is that most of the people complaining during those threads have problems with JDBC, which is not directly related to MM/CFMX (but more to third party JDBC drivers or M$ implementation)... SQL Server 7 is getting very old right now (and it's a M$ product), so I would not be surprised if it has some problems with JDBC. CFMX is a GREAT product and works extremely well (for a V1.0!). Of course, there is some minor pure CF issues but all of them have easy workarounds. I will NEVER go back to CF5. CFCs and Flash Remoting have an incredible potential and offer so many great new possibilities. People also have to think about what they can do now... (which was impossible with CF5-) Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 9 octobre 2002 14:48 À : CF-Talk Objet : The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) All- Funny, I should stop sleeping. I wanted to take a moment to address something that is bothering me a great deal. Out of the huge thread yesterday, there came a lot of realizations that Macromedia is currently examining internally, misconceptions if you will about the way MM communicates things. Make no mistake, these issues are being discussed, as Sean and Vernon have both mentioned. However, one of the things that bothered me the most was the fact several people basically said: OH NOES! CFMX is poop! I won't buy/run it until all of these horrible bugs are fixed. This is what I refer too as the Myth of Bugs. I think something many people are forgetting is the scenario of a mailing list, or the forums. This is the scenario that discourses the fact that mainly the only people who will post to forums, and mailing lists in a typical day are those who have issues. Now, if I read cf-talk on $RAND day, I could safely assume that CFMX was crippled, a lame-duck to the market. Does this assumption make it true? No. It bothers me to hear people say that they will not even try CFMX out because there are so many show stopping issues. I would beg the argument that this is far, very far, from the truth. Those of you dropping CFMX or completely ignoring it because of the debates/issues raised on CF-Talk and the Forums would be better served if you actually downloaded and ran your application yourself, instead of taking the word of the mailing lists and forums. CFMX, as has been stated before, was the *most* tested version of ColdFusion *ever* put on market, I can't make this clear enough. I would imagine that some of the show stopper issues that are being raised have either been addresses, will be address, or are simply environmental. I would also state that the only people who raise the CFMX is Poop flag are those who have hit a bug, or other issue, which is show stopping to *them*. Remember, hundreds of people download CFMX daily (we have the numbers that show this) and run it without issue. *of COURSE* those people who run into any type of problem are immediately going to identify that problem as a show stopper and post to the mailing lists and the forums screaming as loud as they can to hopefully either find a solution or get Macromedia to help them for free. I can only stress that those of you reading these lists and the forums take everything you see with a grain of salt. Not everyone is running into these issues, everyone is not throwing CFMX out the window. We have *many* customers running CFMX in production, under load, daily, fine. If you install CFMX, and you run it, and you find an issue, I cannot stress enough that you contact support *immediately* to get that issue addressed ASAP. I will not admit that the ColdFusion team (myself included) shipped Poop. I will not admit to having wasted nearly two years of my life, I know this is *not* the case. I personally believe that the firestorms shown on this list, and the forums, are not the rule, but rather the exception to the rule. Please, try it out *for yourselves* before passing judgment. Sorry for ranting, it bothers me. A lot. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the sum of his knowledge. - Ayn Rand ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: CF vs ASP
I definitely agree that it is important to know Java and J2EE nowadays. But, you can't compare learning java and CFML, they are two completely different things. Java and especially J2EE is incredibly complex and requires weeks/month of training to start getting to know parts of it. JSP (just a small part of J2EE) requires good knowledges of Java and is still at a prehistoric stage in terms of functionality and development compared to the richness of CFML and ASP.NET (event if it is getting better with JSTL and the future implementation of JSP). CFML is still unbeatable in terms of productivity and ease of use. It is pity to say I didn't upgrade to CFMX and I will never do it. How can you judge something if you haven't tried it? In fact, CFMX can be a very good choice for the presentation layer of a big J2EE app. Tried to build a small app with JSP and basic JavaBeans then do the same with CFML and CFCs... you'll we see the difference in terms of productivity... (and then add a rich client with Flash Remoting!) Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 9 octobre 2002 15:03 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CF vs ASP I think you would be better off learning JSP(java server pages) and some j2ee. Why? Because what CFMX does is translate CFML pages into some servlets (correct me if I am wrong) so why learning CF(providing you don't know it already) when you can learn Java(JSP and stuff). As I see it CF is far from beating Java(that's why they choose to use java in their very own CF) Well, I have quite some experience with CF(more than 3 years) and I didn't upgrade to CFMX and I will never do it. Why not ASP? Well because if you do that you are stuck with windows. If that is not a problem go for it :) Marius Burz ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: RE: RE: Cumulative Patch for SQL Server (Q316333) Crtical for 200 0
Please do not start another Win Vs Linux war... ;) Both of them have pro and cons. Use the one you prefer... Thanks. Benoit Hediard #affinitiz.com -Message d'origine- De : Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2002 18:19 À : CF-Talk Objet : OT: RE: RE: Cumulative Patch for SQL Server (Q316333) Crtical for 200 0 I agree features, functionality, stability and performance should come first. Again, if you have used both you will know which is better - and cheaper to boot. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RE: Cumulative Patch for SQL Server (Q316333) Crtical for 200 0 XP upgrade = $160.00 Red Hat 8.0 = Free That is such a poor argument, cost should not come into it; features, functionality, stability and performance should come first - but then I suppose you will argue that red is blue to make your case against the great Jedi Gates. -Original Message- From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 October 2002 16:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: RE: Cumulative Patch for SQL Server (Q316333) Crtical for 2000 No, probably not. On the other hand, I wouldn't feel too comfortable flying the build-your-own-airplane kit from that Linus guy, either. Build-your-own-airplane? That's an odd analogy. Have access to the engine and all the working parts of the airplane I think is better analogy. Nor would I want to fly Sun or Oracle, but that's OK, since I wouldn't be able to afford the ticket. Sun and Oracle make rather solid products. I would feel much more comfortable flying in a Sun airplane then a Microsoft airplane. Plus, since Microsoft makes operating systems, keyboards, mice, game stations, office software, and games - they are more likely to enter the airplane arena. Who could afford the ticket? Try being a common developer (CTO). :) I'd hardly argue that Microsoft products are perfect, or even best-of-breed in most cases. However, they often provide a happy medium of comparative value. XP upgrade = $160.00 Red Hat 8.0 = Free Yeah, I can totally see the return on investment. I suspect that most people on this list have little choice about what products their companies or clients use. No doubt there. If that were the case, we probably would be in such financial trouble. It was just a joke anyway. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cumulative Patch for SQL Server (Q316333) Crtical for 2000 If Microsoft made an airplane would you fly in it? No, probably not. On the other hand, I wouldn't feel too comfortable flying the build-your-own-airplane kit from that Linus guy, either. Nor would I want to fly Sun or Oracle, but that's OK, since I wouldn't be able to afford the ticket. Sad to say, I'd probably end up flying the damn Mac - at least the furnishings are nice. To flip this on its head, I probably wouldn't use a GM or Ford computer or OS, either - it would require huge amounts of gasoline, I'm sure, and would have the best technology of 1987. My point here is that your comment, while it may be glib and entertaining, is a facile and useless comparison. Then why run your business on it? I'd hardly argue that Microsoft products are perfect, or even best-of-breed in most cases. However, they often provide a happy medium of comparative value. In any case, though, I suspect that most people on this list have little choice about what products their companies or clients use. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Trio application
So you have not seen the secondary pages (the Service Manager)? This is the best part (90% of the demo). If you see a blank application, it is because the demo only works with one ticket (I think). Check this one : 4KEH833 (Open). You'll be amazed if you haven't seen it before... Quick walkthrough : 1. Check the video 2. On the car drawing, select the Hybrid Engine System Electric Motor Tech Notes 3. View the technote 1281 (it says change the Replace the Hydrogen Sensor and inspect the Condensor fan for cracks, replace as necessary). 4. Select the part tab Hybrid Engine Connector and Hydrogen Sensor and add them to the work order 5. Select the scheduling tab and choose an available period to perform the reparation. You can now notify your nice customer... Have fun! Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2002 18:48 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Trio application That looks good, Mark. I'm going to be checking out that sample app to see if I can make any headway with Flash MX. Someone was remarking recently that it would be good if one of the apps they were testing didn't expire in 30 days, which they felt wasn't enough time to learn to use an app and evaluate it. If feel the same way about Flash MX. I don't have 30 days straight to devote to attempting to learn and use it, especially the ActionScript aspect. It would be much better if the apps just watermarked the project files and movies produced, but allowed unlimited practice. Now my 30 days have expired and I haven't even begun to spend enough time on it to determine if I can make it work appropriately for my apps and whether or not to make a radical shift in how I build apps from html-based to Flash-based. MM, if you're listening, how about a non-expiring, watermarking trial version of Flash MX. It's a new paradigm you're asking us to learn and evaluate in a short 30 days! Some of us have to keep working on paying project while that going on, leaving precious little time within 30 days to use the program! Thanks for putting that up Mark. Were the secondary pages, especially those linked from the Service Manager movie, supposed to show anything else, or just be blank? The page background was there on the secondary pages, but no info... Rick -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Trio application Someone was wondering about the trio application as an example of flash remoting (can't remember who). I've hosted it temporarily at: http://68.15.235.127/flash/servicemanager/ if anywone wants a look. It's pretty nifty. I especially like the add part feature that checks inventory. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com no more brochures! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: opinions about XSL
The big thing about XSL : + clear separation from content (XML) and presentation logic (XSL), + based on XML + designed for XML transformation + standard and cross-platform = big hype (XSL benefits a lot from the XML hype) I am not a big fan of XSL. The language is ugly and difficult as the article says. Right now : - XSL transformation on the client side is very difficult to implement because you are dependent of the XSL engine available on the client (which might be a very old one with extremely limited capabilities), - XSL transformation on the server side is probably not the best choice, I prefer to use scripting languages such as CFML to manipulate XML and define the presentation logic. It is 100 times more efficient, quicker to develop and to debug than a pure XSL approach. So, XSL works, but there is often better alternatives to transform XML data or define presentation logic. The technology isn't mature enough (and specifications are changing quite often...). However, it might be a good option if you need true cross-platform XML transformation / presentation logic and if the application is heavily based on XML (an XSL stylesheet could be used in Java, .NET, PHP... on the server side and/or the client side). My 2 cents. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Zac Spitzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mardi 1 octobre 2002 15:47 À : CF-Talk Objet : opinions about XSL is found this article talking about why xsl is bad http://www.xml.com/pub/a/1999/05/xsl/xslconsidered_1.html any comments? I haven't personally looked into xsl, the syntax always looked like RTF :-) through babelfish and it looks like doing client side work on the server ( ie browser stuff ) i know from my old man who does java that it's quicker to go xml-dom-xml than xsl what's peoples experience? z __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...
Sorry, I come back to the original thread problem : CFC scopes. Here are some more details one CFCs scopes and UDFs. When you excecute a CFMODULE, the only scopes still available in the CFMODULE script are 'attributes' + request/url/form, so you have to re-include UDF Lib. Which means that UDF Lib scope (from the calling script) is not available in a script executed by CFMODULE. When you execute a CFC (or a custom tags), it should be the same. The only scopes still available in the CFC script are 'arguments' + request/url/form, but there is a problem : UDF Lib scope from the calling script is still available in the CFC (???). This is not logical. CFC should not be able to access UDF Lib scope from the calling script, it should behave like the CFMODULE. UDF have by default the no prefix scope, so I thought they would behave like no prefix variables. (and if I want a UDF function during all my request, then I put it in the request scope) So for me, this is a bug (a non-consistent behaviour). Don't you think? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : dimanche 29 septembre 2002 21:06 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: So many problems with CFC scopes... For what reason? I've jumped in mid-thread here, but I'm really keen to get some good nitty-gritty low-down on the pros/cons/appropriate contexts for custom tags/UDFs/CFCs. I've had access to CF5 for a while, but most of my clients have been stuck on CF4.5 hosts, so I've not really got into the habit of UDFs. Now MX and CFCs are here, I feel I should dive into the whole lot knowing the practical differences and arguments for each method. You mentioned typing the extra reference for CFCs (i.e. myCFC.isEmail(...) as opposed to isEmail() for a UDF). Beyond that - which is obviously down to the kind of personal preference that's not worth debating - why would a CFC set of methods as opposed to a UDF library be not bad per se, just maybe not appropriate? What's the not appropriate bit, in performance/architecture terms, not personal preference/coding style terms? Dave mentioned a collection of UDFs called Math that would serve as a library. On a _completely_ personal level (ie, not performance, security, etc), I tend to think the methods of a CFC should be more tightly coupled - ie, have more of a reason then being together than just being mathematical. As a purely personal preference - that is why I wouldn't think it's appropriate. Yes, I know it's a very wishy-washy response - but as I said, it's a personal feeling. Also, with CFCs being such a new beast, what makes sense now and what makes sense 3 years from now will most likely be somewhat different. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)
I agree with you Raymond. But it is true that is more personal preference/coding style terms than performance/architecture terms. This are my personal rules : CUSTOM TAGS (ColdFusion Taglibs) - custom tags encapsulates presentation logic they always output content (usually HTML), - custom tags usually do not call the model or controller layer, - custom tags are only used by the presentation layer (page or pagelet scripts). They are used for presentation logic encapsulation. USER DEFINED FUNCTIONS (UDF) - user defined functions encapsulate generic logic and rarely output content (except for string formatting purposes), - user defined functions do not call the model or controller layer, - user defined functions are used in any layer (view, controller or model). They are used generic logic/function encapsulation. COLDFUSION COMPONENTS (CFC) - components encapsulate business/data access application logic and never output content, - components are called by the view layer only to read data, - components are called by the controller layer to create/update/delete data. They are used for business logic encapsulation. .. I've put some examples here http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/patterns/part3.htm Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : dimanche 29 septembre 2002 21:06 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: So many problems with CFC scopes... For what reason? I've jumped in mid-thread here, but I'm really keen to get some good nitty-gritty low-down on the pros/cons/appropriate contexts for custom tags/UDFs/CFCs. I've had access to CF5 for a while, but most of my clients have been stuck on CF4.5 hosts, so I've not really got into the habit of UDFs. Now MX and CFCs are here, I feel I should dive into the whole lot knowing the practical differences and arguments for each method. You mentioned typing the extra reference for CFCs (i.e. myCFC.isEmail(...) as opposed to isEmail() for a UDF). Beyond that - which is obviously down to the kind of personal preference that's not worth debating - why would a CFC set of methods as opposed to a UDF library be not bad per se, just maybe not appropriate? What's the not appropriate bit, in performance/architecture terms, not personal preference/coding style terms? Dave mentioned a collection of UDFs called Math that would serve as a library. On a _completely_ personal level (ie, not performance, security, etc), I tend to think the methods of a CFC should be more tightly coupled - ie, have more of a reason then being together than just being mathematical. As a purely personal preference - that is why I wouldn't think it's appropriate. Yes, I know it's a very wishy-washy response - but as I said, it's a personal feeling. Also, with CFCs being such a new beast, what makes sense now and what makes sense 3 years from now will most likely be somewhat different. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)
I can hazard good guesses, but what do you mean by view, controller and model layers? Ooops... sorry. It refers to the MVC pattern : Model View Controller. - View : the presentation layer (there is usually a HTML-based view layer generated by CFML pages), - Controller : the application flow control, it receives request from the View layer, executes application logic, calls the model layer and returns the response to the View layer, (in web app, it usually handles data posted by forms and then redirect to a page) - Model : the application business logic and data access layer (done with CFCs in ColdfusionMX). As for cfczone.org Vs udflib.org, it is true that they are going to overlapp in some area. All the 'udflib' functions might be encapsulated into CFCs and put on 'cfczone'... And this is probably what is going to happen. In our case, all our CFCs are linked to our application (and therefore to our business logic) and could not be put or could not come from 'cfczone'. All our UDFs are not linked to our application and are coming from 'udflib'. But, in some cases CFCs might be more appropriate than UDF to encapsulate generic logic : when you need to have an object-oriented logic. Indeed, the advantage of CFCs over UDFs is their ability to have (or simulate) an 'object-oriented/object-based' behaviour. For example, CFC are great to be used as wrapper of existing java classes (it keeps the object behaviour of the java class and hide its complexity). With CFC, you can manipulate objects that are persistent during the request : - create an object, - call object.method1(), - call object.method2()... The object keep his state/properties in between each calls. With UDF, you can't really have this kind of approach. So, for generic logic encapsulation, I would use : - UDF / udflib.org for procedural logic (functions), - CFC / cfczone.org for object-oriented logic. But, again, this is in my opinion, so I prefer to stop here otherwise it is going to be another never-ending thread... ;) This is really a matter of personal preference/coding style. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : lundi 30 septembre 2002 14:03 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...) Benoit, thanks for the summary of your rules-of-thumb for CF modularisation. I'll check out your site later. For now, could you clear up some terminology for this no-CS-background designer-turned-coder? ;-) I can hazard good guesses, but what do you mean by view, controller and model layers? Also, I know the idea of business rules from relational DB design - am I right in saying you're using business logic here in a similar sense, to apply to the CF application? That is, it refers to procedures and functions mostly specific to the current application? If this is so, am I right in saying that, given your personal rules, cflib.org for sharing UDFs is useful, but cfczone.org for sharing CFC's is less useful? I know it's fine to use CFC's for generic functions and cfczone.org will probably become as useful as cflib.org, I'm just trying to gauge the meaning of your rules with this analogy. If you use CFCs for business logic encapsulation, they may not be very portable - unless I'm taking the term business logic in a too narrow sense. - Gyrus - [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk play: http://www.norlonto.net - PGP key available - Original Message - From: Benoit Hediard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...) I agree with you Raymond. But it is true that is more personal preference/coding style terms than performance/architecture terms. This are my personal rules : CUSTOM TAGS (ColdFusion Taglibs) - custom tags encapsulates presentation logic they always output content (usually HTML), - custom tags usually do not call the model or controller layer, - custom tags are only used by the presentation layer (page or pagelet scripts). They are used for presentation logic encapsulation. USER DEFINED FUNCTIONS (UDF) - user defined functions encapsulate generic logic and rarely output content (except for string formatting purposes), - user defined functions do not call the model or controller layer, - user defined functions are used in any layer (view, controller or model). They are used generic logic/function encapsulation. COLDFUSION COMPONENTS (CFC) - components encapsulate business/data access application logic and never output content, - components are called by the view layer only to read data, - components are called by the controller layer to create/update/delete data. They are used for business logic encapsulation. .. I've put some examples here http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/patterns/part3.htm Benoit Hediard
RE: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)
Don't you mean www.cflib.org? Yes, sorry (why did i say www.udflib.org...? I don't know, at least it is more clear for the explanation ;). Question: (dunno if anyone has the answer to this) Do CFC's share methods in memory, or does each new component created have its own instances of all the functions defined in the cfc which take up their own space in memory? This is an excellent question. I also wonder about this. The thing I know is that once a CFC instance is loaded in a persistent scope (session or application), if you modify the CFC definition, it is not taken into account by the old CFC instance. You have to reload a new instance to get the new definition. Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : lundi 30 septembre 2002 18:23 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...) But, in some cases CFCs might be more appropriate than UDF to encapsulate generic logic : when you need to have an object-oriented logic. Indeed, the advantage of CFCs over UDFs is their ability to have (or simulate) an 'object-oriented/object-based' behaviour. For example, CFC are great to be used as wrapper of existing java classes (it keeps the object behaviour of the java class and hide its complexity). With CFC, you can manipulate objects that are persistent during the request : - create an object, - call object.method1(), - call object.method2()... The object keep his state/properties in between each calls. With UDF, you can't really have this kind of approach. Actually you can if you structure the UDF's correctly, however, I would expect CFC's in most cases to be a better solution... But as a for instance, you could define a library of UDF's for an application which take in ID's which the UDF's use to identify and manipulate objects which are persistent in request or other scopes or which take in structures from those persistent scopes. The syntax is different, but the end result is similar. request.myobject.dump(); dump(request.myobject); request.myobject.setShippingAddress(123 3rd St,Dallas,TX,55538); setShippingAddress(reqeust.myobject,123 3rd St,Dallas,TX,55538); Even before CF 5 and UDF's, some people managed to create object-oriented features in ColdFusion using includes and cfmodules with things like cfObjects and smartobjects and Tapestry was on its way there, though the best of it didn't happen until CF5. However, the syntax provided by CFC's or other object-oriented languages does encourage thinking about the encapsulated functions or methods as a part of the object, which is helpful, and I suspect they have other advantages in addition. So, for generic logic encapsulation, I would use : - UDF / udflib.org for procedural logic (functions), - CFC / cfczone.org for object-oriented logic. But, again, this is in my opinion, so I prefer to stop here otherwise it is going to be another never-ending thread... ;) This is really a matter of personal preference/coding style. Don't you mean www.cflib.org? Question: (dunno if anyone has the answer to this) Do CFC's share methods in memory, or does each new component created have its own instances of all the functions defined in the cfc which take up their own space in memory? The one way saves memory, the other way theoretically might allow you to modify a method of one component on the fly without altering the definition of the CFC. S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Ben's J2EE Book
While we are talking about AS and FlashMX books, for people that already know the basics of Flash5 and want to only discover new FlashMX capabilities, FlashMX Upgrade Essentials by Sham Bhangal is the one you're looking for. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1903450764 It is a very good one, 99% of other FlashMX books start from the begining and re-explain EVERYTHING : how to draw a line, what is a movieclip... This one only focus on the new features of FlashMX. Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 23:46 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Ben's J2EE Book There are lots of basic AS books out there (and lots of not so basic ones too). I have Macromedia Flash MX ActionScripting: Advanced Training from the Source here and it is quite good. My only objection to it is that all the AS is oriented around UI and it assumes that you know basic Flash UI creation (which for many CFers is not the case). Still, if you need a jump start on AS basics it's a good choice: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0201770229/benfortascoldfusA/ For more advanced ActionScript you'll want Phillip Kerman's ActionScripting in Flash MX. I have yet to go through this edition thoroughly, but I also have the previous edition and use that one extensively. It's a very good book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0735712956/benfortascoldfusA/ --- Ben -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 5:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book For us AS beginners, the problem is that we *must* learn the most basic aspects of AS to function. Advanced scripters may not want to wade through the basics, but they can still get to where they need to be. Skip the basics, and start with the advanced stuff, and the beginners are left out in cold... If you don't want to write multiple books to satisfy everyone, then it's lowest common denominator time... Rick -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 4:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book Ok, I am keeping a list ... More ActionScript Less ActionScript More complex ActionScript Less complex ActionScript More CFML Less CFML Simpler remoting More complex remoting Great, we'll get right to work on it. :-) -Original Message- From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ben's J2EE Book On Friday, Sep 27, 2002, at 11:36 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote: They were all raffled away last at BACFUG; you should have attended. BTW, the reviews I've heard so far on the Flash integration book from CFers is that it is too beginner to be useful. I've actually heard the opposite - that the ActionScript presented is too complex (and not thoroughly explained) for beginners! I've heard both, coming from two totally different guys, a fellow Actionscript geek said the ActionScript was good, but not too fancy or advanced, a CF guy said he burned his mind trying to follow the ActionScript stuff :-))) Massimo __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...
Unfortunately, to put the not IsDefined() right inside the UDF library
template doesn't work in CFMX either.
The test has to be done before the cfinclude of the UDF lib.
So there isnt't any nice workaround except to wrap each cfinclude of a UDF
lib around a not IsDefined().
As for the suggestion to convert all the UDF lib into CFC, I am not sure it
might be appropriate all the time.
The UDF lib allows you to add new CF language functions, so it is very good
for readibility.
For example, I personaly prefer to use
cfinclude template=StringLib.cfm
..
cfif isEmail(Email)
..
instead of
cfobject type=component name=StringLib
component=com.mycompany.lib.StringLib
..
cfif StringLib.isEmail(Email)
..
I agree that it could be done with CFC but I prefer to keep CFC to
encapsulate business logic linked to the application and use UDF to define
generic language functions (cross-applications).
That's just a matter of choice, but I may change my mind...
Benoit Hediard
www.benorama.com
-Message d'origine-
De : Samuel Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : samedi 28 septembre 2002 05:26
À : CF-Talk
Objet : RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...
Mark,
That actually won't work--at least it didn't in CF5, I haven't tested in
in CFMX.
The issue is that CF pre-processes the UDF declarations. Putting a UDF
inside an if(){} statement won't prevent the UDF from being declared
twice and an error erupting.
You have to use a cfif testcfinclude udflib/cfif construct to
avoid the error.
However, I would strongly argue that in CFMX you really should no longer
be using cfinclude'd UDF libraries. The libraries should be converted
to CFCs. If you're worried about performance, don't be. This should be
just as fast as using a CFINCLUDEd UDF lib--Ben Forta recently reported
at a CFUG that internal tests showed calls to a CFC to be faster than a
CFINCLUDE template--but even if using a CFC is slightly slower, the
benefits greatly outweigh the drawbacks (greater code
encapsulation/reuse/documentation vs. very slight loss in performance).
HTH,
Sam
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:24:00 -0400
From: Gaulin, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...
Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why not put the not IsDefined() test right inside any udf library that
can
potentially be included more than one time? (Just put the body of the
udf
inside the CFIF block.)
This is like the old #ifndef _MYFILE_H_, #define _MYFILE_H_ style
that
is used all the time in C and C++ programming.
Mark
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RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...
I think I forgot some other problems with CFCs linked to UDF lib functions. It took me sometime to understand why I was not able to include UDF lib in some cases. - CFC methods defined in an included file cannot really include UDF lib. Indeed, CF refuses to include twice the same UDF lib in one single script, which could be the case with two CFC included methods definition that use the same UDF lib. WORKAROUND : include the UDF lib at the top of the CFC before the CFFunction method tags (even if only few methods of the CFC use it). But I don't know if this is very nice for the CFC, especially if the UDF lib is based on cffunction tag which the same than the one used to define CFC methods... - UDF lib cannot be included in a CFC if the UDF lib is already included in the script calling the CFC. This is a problem : if you want to use the CFC in another script, you have to think to include the UDF lib before to invoke the CFC... WORKAROUND : use the cfif isDefined(oneOfTheFunctionName)cfinclude template=myUDFlib.cfm/cfif in the CFC to test if the UDF lib has already be included. All this is not very clean... I wonder if it could be possible that CF accept to include several times the same UDF lib : if it is the same file, it should not complain about it. It would solve all those problems. Any other CFC problems + workaround comes to your mind? Benoit Hediard http://www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : jeudi 26 septembre 2002 20:32 À : CF-Talk Objet : So many problems with CFC scopes... Hi, I was wondering if anyone know when MM is going to fix all the issues related to CFC scopes. I was hoping for the CFMX updater, but it hasn't solve anything on those issues. It makes CFC development very weird, you need to use many workarounds, especially when includes are used for methods definition. Issues : - CFCs used in persistent scope (session, application...) loose the page context and cannot access other persistent scopes variables. WORKAROUND : http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=8threadid= 386634 - The variable. scope is not private. WORKAROUND : use the un-named scope (http://cfguru.daemon.com.au/archives/67.html) - methods defined in an included file loose the argument scope, WORKAROUND : put the 'argument' scope in 'request' or 'this' scope to pass it to the included method - methods defined in an included file cannot call private or package methods of the same CFC, WORKAROUND : use only public or remote access security... :( Any other problems related to CFC scopes to your mind or better workarounds? Benoit Hediard http://www.benorama.com __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...
I'm going to look the other issues up in the bugbase in the next few days and see what's there but I'll address these issues here... Thanks Sean, you're the best. WORKAROUND : use the cfif isDefined(oneOfTheFunctionName)cfinclude template=myUDFlib.cfm/cfif in the CFC to test if the UDF lib has already be included. Yes, that is what we do here. It also encourages you to have one function per include file... If we have to implement manually cfif isDefined(function) each time we want to include a UDF lib, I was wondering why this is not automatically done by CF. If the function is already defined and the new definition is identical to the first one, CF might ignore the second definition instead of throwing an error. It would save us a lot of work and possible errors (if someone forget the cfif isDefined()). I agree that CF should throw an error if the method definition is different (defined in another template lib than the previous one), but not if the method definition is identical (defined in the same template lib than the previous one). Is it impossible to implement? With complex CFCs, I personally find that it is much cleaner and easier to only define the necessary UDF lib inside each included CFC method files instead of all the necessary UDF lib at the top of the CFC (especially if you use one function per include file with cfif isDefined() around each). What if the file changes during the processing of the request? Would it give problems? If the template is changed during the processing of the request, the new function definition would be ignored (defined in the same template than the previous one), isn't it? I agree that the cfif isDefined() is OK, but I am just curious to know if the UDF lib include behaviour could be improved. Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 19:39 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: So many problems with CFC scopes... I'm going to look the other issues up in the bugbase in the next few days and see what's there but I'll address these issues here... On Friday, Sep 27, 2002, at 02:36 US/Pacific, Benoit Hediard wrote: - CFC methods defined in an included file cannot really include UDF lib. Indeed, CF refuses to include twice the same UDF lib in one single script, which could be the case with two CFC included methods definition that use the same UDF lib. Because you cannot have more than one definition of a function - which is what happens when you include the UDF multiple times. You can't do this in most other languages (define the same function twice) so I don't know why you'd expect it to work in CF. - UDF lib cannot be included in a CFC if the UDF lib is already included in the script calling the CFC. This is essentially the same problem as above. WORKAROUND : use the cfif isDefined(oneOfTheFunctionName)cfinclude template=myUDFlib.cfm/cfif in the CFC to test if the UDF lib has already be included. Yes, that is what we do here. It also encourages you to have one function per include file... I wonder if it could be possible that CF accept to include several times the same UDF lib : if it is the same file, it should not complain about it. What if the file changes during the processing of the request? I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true - I no longer know how to use my telephone. -- Bjarne Stroustrup __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Ben's J2EE Book
Indeed the 4 applications described in the FlashMX Integration book are pretty simple : - MP3 JukeBox, - expense reporting, - mail client, - chat (FlashCom based). The CFMX/Flash Remoting side is very simple and the FlashMX is not that advanced (they don't use much of OO programming, mainly simple functions). So it is a nice book to start with, especially for CFers starting with FlashMX or Flashers starting with CFMX, BUT you definitely need to already have good notions of Flash and ActionScript. You can't start to learn Flash with this book. Do not expect either a book that explain how to build complex and high-end Rich Internet Applications. For that I was hoping to get more design patterns/best practices linked to CFCs and OO ActionScript programming/integration. I am sure it will arrive soon (at least, this is what I am currently working on... ;) ). This are only first impressions, I haven't dig into the latest applications very deeply... Still a good book, perfect for the appropriate audience. Benoit Hediard http://www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 20:36 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Ben's J2EE Book They were all raffled away last at BACFUG; you should have attended. BTW, the reviews I've heard so far on the Flash integration book from CFers is that it is too beginner to be useful. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book I'm still waiting for Amazon to ship my order of Reality CF MX: Flash Integration, CFMX Web App Construction Kit, and Advanced CFMX App Development (a B.F. triple!)... it's been over a month and not a peep out of them. Frustrating! -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book FYI, that book should ship from the printer any day now, so stores should have it next week. The Intranets and Content Management title has shipped from the printer, and stores are getting copies now. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Ben's J2EE Book Just orderd it! w00t! Has anyone else spotted any J2EE related stuff for CF'ers? Stacy Young System Integration Specialist, Architecture Need Payment Processing? Goto the source! Surefire Commerce http://www.sfcommerce.com http://www.sfcommerce.com (p) 514-380-2700 ext: 3234 (f) 514-380-2760 AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...
Indeed, this is also another solution, probably the best one right now! Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 21:24 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: So many problems with CFC scopes... Why not put the not IsDefined() test right inside any udf library that can potentially be included more than one time? (Just put the body of the udf inside the CFIF block.) This is like the old #ifndef _MYFILE_H_, #define _MYFILE_H_ style that is used all the time in C and C++ programming. Mark -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: So many problems with CFC scopes... I'm going to look the other issues up in the bugbase in the next few days and see what's there but I'll address these issues here... Thanks Sean, you're the best. WORKAROUND : use the cfif isDefined(oneOfTheFunctionName)cfinclude template=myUDFlib.cfm/cfif in the CFC to test if the UDF lib has already be included. Yes, that is what we do here. It also encourages you to have one function per include file... If we have to implement manually cfif isDefined(function) each time we want to include a UDF lib, I was wondering why this is not automatically done by CF. If the function is already defined and the new definition is identical to the first one, CF might ignore the second definition instead of throwing an error. It would save us a lot of work and possible errors (if someone forget the cfif isDefined()). I agree that CF should throw an error if the method definition is different (defined in another template lib than the previous one), but not if the method definition is identical (defined in the same template lib than the previous one). Is it impossible to implement? With complex CFCs, I personally find that it is much cleaner and easier to only define the necessary UDF lib inside each included CFC method files instead of all the necessary UDF lib at the top of the CFC (especially if you use one function per include file with cfif isDefined() around each). What if the file changes during the processing of the request? Would it give problems? If the template is changed during the processing of the request, the new function definition would be ignored (defined in the same template than the previous one), isn't it? I agree that the cfif isDefined() is OK, but I am just curious to know if the UDF lib include behaviour could be improved. Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 19:39 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: So many problems with CFC scopes... I'm going to look the other issues up in the bugbase in the next few days and see what's there but I'll address these issues here... On Friday, Sep 27, 2002, at 02:36 US/Pacific, Benoit Hediard wrote: - CFC methods defined in an included file cannot really include UDF lib. Indeed, CF refuses to include twice the same UDF lib in one single script, which could be the case with two CFC included methods definition that use the same UDF lib. Because you cannot have more than one definition of a function - which is what happens when you include the UDF multiple times. You can't do this in most other languages (define the same function twice) so I don't know why you'd expect it to work in CF. - UDF lib cannot be included in a CFC if the UDF lib is already included in the script calling the CFC. This is essentially the same problem as above. WORKAROUND : use the cfif isDefined(oneOfTheFunctionName)cfinclude template=myUDFlib.cfm/cfif in the CFC to test if the UDF lib has already be included. Yes, that is what we do here. It also encourages you to have one function per include file... I wonder if it could be possible that CF accept to include several times the same UDF lib : if it is the same file, it should not complain about it. What if the file changes during the processing of the request? I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true - I no longer know how to use my telephone. -- Bjarne Stroustrup __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Ben's J2EE Book
I also ordered Branden's new book for OO actionscript, it is supposed to be excellent! In order to wait for this one, last month, I read William Drol Object-Oriented Macromedia Flash MX (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1590590147), which is also very good. Waiting for the Ben's J2EE book... The problem is to find some free time to read all those great books! ;) Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 21:27 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Ben's J2EE Book I also just ordered Branden's new book for OO Actionscript: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735711836/qid=1033154826/sr=8 -1/ref=sr_8_1/002-5436595-6412067?v=glancen=507846 -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book Indeed the 4 applications described in the FlashMX Integration book are pretty simple : - MP3 JukeBox, - expense reporting, - mail client, - chat (FlashCom based). The CFMX/Flash Remoting side is very simple and the FlashMX is not that advanced (they don't use much of OO programming, mainly simple functions). So it is a nice book to start with, especially for CFers starting with FlashMX or Flashers starting with CFMX, BUT you definitely need to already have good notions of Flash and ActionScript. You can't start to learn Flash with this book. Do not expect either a book that explain how to build complex and high-end Rich Internet Applications. For that I was hoping to get more design patterns/best practices linked to CFCs and OO ActionScript programming/integration. I am sure it will arrive soon (at least, this is what I am currently working on... ;) ). This are only first impressions, I haven't dig into the latest applications very deeply... Still a good book, perfect for the appropriate audience. Benoit Hediard http://www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 20:36 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Ben's J2EE Book They were all raffled away last at BACFUG; you should have attended. BTW, the reviews I've heard so far on the Flash integration book from CFers is that it is too beginner to be useful. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book I'm still waiting for Amazon to ship my order of Reality CF MX: Flash Integration, CFMX Web App Construction Kit, and Advanced CFMX App Development (a B.F. triple!)... it's been over a month and not a peep out of them. Frustrating! -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book FYI, that book should ship from the printer any day now, so stores should have it next week. The Intranets and Content Management title has shipped from the printer, and stores are getting copies now. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Ben's J2EE Book Just orderd it! w00t! Has anyone else spotted any J2EE related stuff for CF'ers? Stacy Young System Integration Specialist, Architecture Need Payment Processing? Goto the source! Surefire Commerce http://www.sfcommerce.com http://www.sfcommerce.com (p) 514-380-2700 ext: 3234 (f) 514-380-2760 AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail
So many problems with CFC scopes...
Hi, I was wondering if anyone know when MM is going to fix all the issues related to CFC scopes. I was hoping for the CFMX updater, but it hasn't solve anything on those issues. It makes CFC development very weird, you need to use many workarounds, especially when includes are used for methods definition. Issues : - CFCs used in persistent scope (session, application...) loose the page context and cannot access other persistent scopes variables. WORKAROUND : http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=8threadid= 386634 - The variable. scope is not private. WORKAROUND : use the un-named scope (http://cfguru.daemon.com.au/archives/67.html) - methods defined in an included file loose the argument scope, WORKAROUND : put the 'argument' scope in 'request' or 'this' scope to pass it to the included method - methods defined in an included file cannot call private or package methods of the same CFC, WORKAROUND : use only public or remote access security... :( Any other problems related to CFC scopes to your mind or better workarounds? Benoit Hediard http://www.benorama.com __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: TR: UUID's ( maybe OT)
Parameters for a static file? Or does vignette use .html as an extension for an ISAPI filter? Yes, it could be any extension. So the 1674 part is the only part of all that which is actually useful eh? :) No, all the parameters are usefull (0,1674,P249,00), especially P249 and 00. I re-explain : 1674 is the ID of the template to execute, P249 is the OID to pass to the template (it could be a list of parameters) and 00 are the capabilities of the browser. If the template display an article, it will generate one static html file per article (one per OID) for each browser capabilities (if there is any difference for each browser in the output). Ex. : - 0,1674,P249,00.html, - 0,1674,P249,FF.html, - 0,1674,P250,00.html, - 0,1674,P251,00.html... If the 0,1674,P249,00.html file already exists in the cache directory, it is directly served by the web server without any dynamic processing. If you can also use URL parameters (0,1674,P249,00.html?var1=totovar2=titi), but if the template is cached, they won't be taken into account (ignored by the web server), that's why you can't put P249 as a normal URL parameter, it has to be in the file name for the caching system to work. Try giving someone a url like that verbally -- ever worked technical support where you had to give someone a url over the phone so they could download a driver? We've designed, developped and run several high-end B2C web sites and we never had to encounter this kind of problem. All our applications have automatic error trapping system and nicely structured navigation system. They also have friendly URLs. ;) In my previous mail, I was not saying, that Vignette naming was a great one. I was just explaining that it was linked to the way their caching system works. I definitely agree : if you can have friendly URL, you should keep them friendly (and avoiding UUID is already one way to do it). Why making thing complex, if you can make them simple is a CF motto... ;) Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : jeudi 19 septembre 2002 23:27 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: TR: UUID's ( maybe OT) I just don't see the need for a url like: http://www.metlife.com/Applications/Corporate/WPS/CDA/Page Generator/0,1674,P 249,00.html Just for your information, Vignette use 0,1674,P249,00.html URL format for caching purpose. The name of the file contains all the parameters used to generate content for a given template : 0 means that cache can be used (dynamic generation is not forced), 1674 is the template ID, P249 is the parameter (could be a parameters list) Parameters for a static file? Or does vignette use .html as an extension for an ISAPI filter? , 00 describes browser capabilities. So the 1674 part is the only part of all that which is actually useful eh? :) It allow Vignette to automatically generate physical cache files that can later be serve directly by the web server. Once the cache has been generated, the dynamic web site behave like a static web site, the web server only serves static html pages. Yes, Tapestry does this... or it can if you need/want it to -- it's not a necessity. But it is a native feature of the application. This is a pretty clever caching system which made the success of Vignette .. 5 years ago (and this is how Vignette handles tremendous loads). If you say so, but I'm fairly certain Vignette doesn't do anything with that url than I can't do with a 4 or 5 digit number. As a matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet that much of this is already done by Tapestry -- the caching that is... So OK, the URL aren't very URL friendly, but I don't think that URL have to be friendly. User never look at the URLs, only web developers do.. ;) Did you get a chance to read my first message on this thread? Real non-developer people frequently look at those url's, and often have to give them to people over the phone, which is a major pain... Sounds like you've never worked in a tech-support queue -- as just one example of an instance in which non-developer people must frequently pass a url verbally. I worked in Hewlett Packard's corporate tech-support queue for a year ( was actually my first technical job ), and the fact that their corporate website where people had to get drivers was a nightmare to navigate was a _huge_ problem. They didn't use Vignette, but something like what you see below was a _common_ occurrance on the phone. And this was even talking mostly to IT and MIS department techs whos job it was to repair our workstations. Try giving someone a url like that verbally -- ever worked technical support where you had to give someone a url over the phone so they could download a driver? Usually you're saddled by the requirements of your call center that you can't send anyone email, so copying and pasting the url is out of the question. And even with url's that are much simpler than this you often wind up with users having difficulty
RE: Can form fields look differently?
Example :
style type=text/css
formInput {
font-family : Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size : 11px;
color : #4A4A4A;
border : 1px solid #8A8A8A;
background : #F4F4F4;
}
formButton {
font-family : Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size : 11px;
color : #134280;
border : 1px solid;
border-top-color: #B5CFF3;
border-left-color: #B5CFF3;
border-right-color: #347DDF;
border-bottom-color: #347DDF;
background : #ECF3FC;
}
/style
input type=text name=SomeText value= class=formInput
input type=button name=SomeButton value=Some Button
class=formButton
Benoit Hediard
-Message d'origine-
De : Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : vendredi 20 septembre 2002 14:31
À : CF-Talk
Objet : OT: Can form fields look differently?
A little OT, but a quick one...
Can form fields be made to look differently
or are we stuck with the typical looking fields...
white with the normal border?
Rick
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RE: sub-folder domain hosting
1. First problem to solve : DNS. Your domain (subdomain.com or subdomain.maindomain.com) has to point to the IP address of the web server hosting the site. PS : if you don't own maindomain.com, you won't be able to create subdomains, it has to be done by the owner (your host?) or the DNS record has to be configured to accept all subdomain requests (*.maindomain.com). 2. Second problem : VIRTUAL HOSTING. The web server has to handle the request to the virtual web site corresponding to subdomain.maindomain.com. It can be easily done with Apache by using either mod_vhost_alias or mod_rewrite : http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/vhosts/ If you're using IIS, it is another story (even if it can easily be done manually with the MMC...) I've heard that IIS has some problems to support more than 200 or 300 virtual hosts and cannot be used for 'Mass Virtual Hosting'. So if your host is using IIS, it might be the reason. Benoit Hediard http://www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 20 septembre 2002 19:12 À : CF-Talk Objet : OT: sub-folder domain hosting Sorry for the OT, but I don't do many, so I've got some left in my quota I'm sure ;-) I'm just getting conflicting messages from my host about whether they do sub-folder hosting or not, i.e. having subdomain.com pointing to maindomain.com/subdomain/ (and not having a simple redirect, i.e. subdomain.com stays in the browser address bar when you go to the site). I was told earlier this week by someone there that they do this, now I've been told by someone else there that they don't. Maybe one of the two people misunderstood (the second one is, I believe, a little less than a guru, shall we say ;-). But, leaving aside the fact that your host should know what they're talking about 24/7, especially with such simple matters - is there any reason why a host *couldn't* do sub-folder hosting as described above? Is it merely a case of *wouldn't* due to maybe raking in a little more from forcing everyone to have separate accounts their domains? The second adviser mentioned above just said they can do sub-domain hosting, i.e. subdomain.maindomain.com. Now, (1) I always thought this was just a machine name - is sub-domain the common term for it?, and (2) this is no good if you've bought subdomain.com and want to use it! I've got to wait until next week to sort this out with my host, but I want some ammo for potential arguments, i.e. if they say they don't do it, I'd like to be able to ask why? and know whether they're bulls***ting or not - and also to be able to say, Surely all you have to do is xyz to set it up? To save me OT'ing more on this sort of thing ;-) - anyone know of a good website resource explaining these behind-the-scenes hosting/domain things. Something not too technical, but more practical than sales pitch? I'm pretty good at CF, but I'm no webmaster yet! TIA, - Gyrus - [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk play: http://www.norlonto.net - PGP key available __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: OT: sub-folder domain hosting
Yes, you can define a wildcard DNS entry (*.turnkey.to. IN A 198.31.129.26). It will accept all subdomain requests. We are currently using it and it works very well. A good FAQ on DNS (that I just found with google ;) ) : http://www.acmebw.com/askmrdns/archive.php?category=87 Benoit Hediard http://www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 20 septembre 2002 19:47 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: OT: sub-folder domain hosting First whatever.mydomain.com is a subdomain. whatever being the sub of mydomain.com. subdomain.com would be another doamin all together. Second most hosts will charge you for additional domains even if they share the same server HD space (ex: mydomain/mysubdomain ). The reason is the ISP must maintain additional DNS (domain name service) records (an addition file to maintain in most cases) for the addition domains. Sub-domains are just added to the main domain as addition lines in the main DNS record. Bottom line is if you want addition domains pointed to the same server space you will have to pay for it. I read somewhere about a catch-all sub-domain, so I asked my current hosting provider for *.turnkey.to ... which allows me to run any subdomains I like without adding dns records, as long as they all point to the same root directory. hth S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
TR: UUID's ( maybe OT)
I just don't see the need for a url like: http://www.metlife.com/Applications/Corporate/WPS/CDA/PageGenerator/0,1674,P 249,00.html Just for your information, Vignette use 0,1674,P249,00.html URL format for caching purpose. The name of the file contains all the parameters used to generate content for a given template : 0 means that cache can be used (dynamic generation is not forced), 1674 is the template ID, P249 is the parameter (could be a parameters list), 00 describes browser capabilities. It allow Vignette to automatically generate physical cache files that can later be serve directly by the web server. Once the cache has been generated, the dynamic web site behave like a static web site, the web server only serves static html pages. This is a pretty clever caching system which made the success of Vignette .. 5 years ago (and this is how Vignette handles tremendous loads). So OK, the URL aren't very URL friendly, but I don't think that URL have to be friendly. User never look at the URLs, only web developers do.. ;) As for UUID, they are only required as Shlomy Gantz said for synchronization and aggregation of content and data from globally distributes sub-systems : where different applications have to create PK for the same content (that is what UUID has been designed for). Otherwise, UUID are just plain overhead. Benoit Hediard http://www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 18 septembre 2002 22:13 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: UUID's ( maybe OT) I don't really know much about most other vendors' cms, but this is one of the things I dislike about a number of cms that I've seen (from the outside anyway) ... I just don't see the need for a url like: http://www.metlife.com/Applications/Corporate/WPS/CDA/PageGenerator/0,1674,P 249,00.html ( this is the signiature url-format of Vignette's StoryServer ) when a url like http://www.metlife.com/50598.html should suffice for just about anything, regardless of how much content you have. I could have fifty thousand pages in that site, or I could have fifty-BILLION pages in that site and it wouldn't matter, I could still use a reasonably simple url like this. I can't imagine those long content entry id's in StoryServer and the like help the software do its job quickly or efficiently either... And the really nice thing about using numbers is, not only are they short, but the length of the string only increases at 1/10th the rate of content increase, so the numbers stay small and easy for people to remember or write down or repeat to someone over the phone. As opposed to the 2 minute ordeal I would go through copying down a url like above on paper and double-checking to be sure it's correct. Try giving someone a url like that verbally -- ever worked technical support where you had to give someone a url over the phone so they could download a driver? Usually you're saddled by the requirements of your call center that you can't send anyone email, so copying and pasting the url is out of the question. And even with url's that are much simpler than this you often wind up with users having difficulty hearing or understanding it: http://www.metlife.com/applications/corporate/wps ... . w - p as in paul - s as in sam ... slash . c as in cat, d as in dog, a as in apple... PageGenerator ... p as in paul, a as in apple, g as in golf, e as in echo... Ten minutes later they have the url and your average call-time's gone through the roof. God forbid the person is hard of hearing or just plain computer illiterate. /rant Not that there isn't any place for UUID's ... A place they'd be useful? How about a system where incident or report tickets are input into a central repository but are being generated from multiple individual locations? ... sure... Generate a UUID at the location where the report or incident is created, along with a local numeric identity key. When you import the data from your multiple locations, you take in a location id, a local unique number, and a UUID -- someone searching the central repository can pick out an individual entry by entering a combination of a location id and local unique identifying number, or a UUID, or a unique number generated at the central repository. The UUID is the official or cardinal identifier, so if you're not able to retreive data from any of the other identifiers, the UUID is what you fall back on as the authoritative answer / identifier. So when someone at location a calls and says I need info on ticket #50 for location a, and you can't find the ticket, you ask them for the UUID and if the UUID doesn't exist, then they're just SOL. :) If it does exist, then you can determine if it's mislabelled ( the import mangled the location id or the local identifier ) and fix that problem. S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 but as a datatype in SQL Server 2000 wouldn't you imagine that m$ has
CFMX for J2EE on the TheServerSide
Hi, If you want to put some great comments on CFMX capabilities for the J2EE audience, a thread Macromedia ColdFusion MX for J2EE AppServers Released has been created yesterday on TheServerSide.com : http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=15402 I like this comment : The Allaire company has been about ahead of technology since I started using it about 8 years ago... If Macromedia keeps the brains behind the Allaire company they bought, it's going to be a really difficult server to beat for midsize, large, asp sites. Benoit Hediard __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Weird Error.
Are you using CFMX and CFC in persistent scopes (session, application...)? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Kevin Wong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mardi 10 septembre 2002 17:11 À : CF-Talk Objet : Weird Error. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_=_NextPart_001_01C258DC.4D23E326 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've been getting a strange error recently on some my sites. I have an = error=20 handler using cferror tag that emails me the error message and dumps=20 out the error, form, url, session and cgi objects. Now the error I'm getting says Error resolving parameter for a session variable, but when I look at the dump for the session object, it is = defined. Strange thing is, I only get this error some of the time. Anybody got any ideas? Thanks in advance, Kevin --_=_NextPart_001_01C258DC.4D23E326 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3DContent-Type CONTENT=3Dtext/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1 META NAME=3DGenerator CONTENT=3DMS Exchange Server version = 6.0.5770.91 TITLEWeird Error./TITLE /HEAD BODY !-- Converted from text/rtf format -- PFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialHi,/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialI've been getting a strange error = recently on some my sites. I have an error /FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialhandler using lt;cferrorgt; tag that = emails me the error message and dumps /FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialout the error, form, url, session and = cgi objects./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialNow the error I'm getting says = quot;/FONTFONT FACE=3DTimes New RomanError resolving = parameter/FONTFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialquot; for a = session/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialvariable, but when I look at the dump = for the session object, it is defined./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialStrange thing is, I only get this error = some of the time./FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialAnybody got any ideas?/FONT /P PFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialThanks in advance,/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3DArialKevin/FONT /P /BODY /HTML --_=_NextPart_001_01C258DC.4D23E326-- FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: ColdFusion MX for J2EE is Available!
Indeed : - ColdFusion MX Server Enterprise Edition (Full) = $4,999/server - JRun (US $899/server) + ColdFusion MX for Macromedia JRun ($3,399/CPU) = $4,298/CPU So if you plan to have only one CPU/Server, it is much better to take JRun + CFMX for J2EE. It gives you much more freedom and possibilities. On the other hand, if you have several CPU, then CFMX Ent is a better choice in terms of pricing... Is there any other advantages for using CFMX Enterprise over JRun+CFMX J2EE? Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : lundi 9 septembre 2002 19:39 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: ColdFusion MX for J2EE is Available! It's a separate product. Instead of CFMX Pro you'd purchase CFMX for J2EE which gets deployed on a J2EE server. CFMX is actually just and application that leverages all the goodies on the J2EE server... You can do stuff like run multiple instances of cfmx (by creating server instances and installing cfmx on each instance) plus access to full J2EE feature set for extending ur apps in java.. It's pretty neat...plus this version plus JRun comes out to about the same price as CFMX Enterprise...(I think) Stace -Original Message- From: Cary Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion MX for J2EE is Available! I am just not getting this. What happens when I have a server that has JRun 4 and CFMX Pro? Are there 2 separate JRun installations? I take it that the ColdFusion MX for JRun product is actually an unbundled ColdFusion MX Server Enterprise. Is that correct? Thanks, Cary At 10:14 AM 9/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: The ColdFusion product team is happy to announce the availability of ColdFusion MX for J2EE, a new product line that allows developers to add ColdFusion MX capabilities to supported J2EE application servers. Public launch and announcements are slated for early next week. ColdFusion MX for J2EE is available in the following editions: * ColdFusion MX for IBM WebSphere Application Server * ColdFusion MX for Macromedia JRun * ColdFusion MX for Sun ONE The existing ColdFusion MX release is built on top of JRun 4. But this release separates the ColdFusion runtime from the underlying app server, giving developers full access to the app server's capabilities. So customers get the benefits of rapid server scripting capabilities, increasing development productivity while enjoying full access to the power of the J2EE platform. See for yourself! Download a free trial or purchase ColdFusion MX for J2EE today at: http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfj2ee. For more information, visit our product section for FAQs, technical white papers, and more at http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfj2ee. Regards, The ColdFusion Product Team Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company 11664 National Blvd 143 Los Angeles, CA 90066 310-397-2999 (v) [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Why ColdFusion?
Try also this : http://www.cffaq.com/ Benoit -Message d'origine- De : Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 6 septembre 2002 16:42 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Why ColdFusion? drew, no offense...however this is such a tired thread, that gets belaboured over and over again, there are too many reasons, and there are plenty of websites that detail this. try this one, and see where it takes you :) http://www.swynk.com/friends/murphy/ironic_isnt_it.asp or this one... http://www.nwfusion.com/reprints/1123rev.html .tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Drew Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Why ColdFusion? I am putting together a proposal for an organization. What I really need are some really good reasons why I use ColdFusion and what the benefits of CF are vs. other things like Java, JSP, and ASP. Thanks, Drew Harris FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit
Indeed, this is an interesting DRK. But, one question comes to my mind : do we have to pay now to get the latest Macromedia Flash UI or Datagrid Components? Or does MM plan to release them as a free download? Thanks. Benoit -Message d'origine- De : Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 6 septembre 2002 17:36 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit Thanks Vern. -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit The DRK does contain some CF stuff: some CFCs: SMTP POP, a stock quote CFC (included w/ a sample apps) Dreamweaver extensions for CFers: *CF XHTML Editor *Extra File Function Toolbar (OK, not specific to CF, but has some of the file functions CF Studio users have been asking for, like close-all, duplicate file, and others) Flash MX DataGrid component And an archive of all the CF content from DesDev, including articles, whitepapers, tutorials, and columns. We're definately going to expand the CF content in future DRK offerings. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 8:09 AM Subject: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit If I was a flash, PHP, Dreamweaver fanatic I would like this. http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/ How about something like this for CF? __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
