(ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some suggestions to help me figure this out. Here's my situation: I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store pretty much everything. All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything. I have the hard drive partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the F and G drives on the PC. Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the desk. When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives. Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted. I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each one. When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the F and G partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them. I looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data. It does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7. I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. (now would probably be a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux). So, that's my predicament. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on what to try? I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight). I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. Thanks, Eric Cobb http://www.cfgears.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347079 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Eric Cobb cft...@ecartech.com wrote: I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store pretty much everything. All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything. I have the hard drive partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the F and G drives on the PC. Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the desk. When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives. Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted. This happened to one of my external drives when it dropped off my desk (still plugged in to power outlet) 2tb drive was dead after that 3 foot drop :-( ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347080 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Had a similar experience with a WD that started clicking. I could not access the drive. I took it out of the enclosure and stuck it in my desktop and I was able to access the drive long enough to retrieve my data. YMMV but it is worth a shot. HTH. Good luck. G! On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Eric Cobb cft...@ecartech.com wrote: So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some suggestions to help me figure this out. Here's my situation: I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store pretty much everything. All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything. I have the hard drive partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the F and G drives on the PC. Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the desk. When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives. Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted. I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each one. When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the F and G partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them. I looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data. It does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7. I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. (now would probably be a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux). So, that's my predicament. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on what to try? I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight). I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. Thanks, Eric Cobb http://www.cfgears.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347081 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Send it to a data-recovery lab. ($$$) And then use Carbonite... -Original Message- From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some suggestions to help me figure this out. Here's my situation: I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store pretty much everything. All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything. I have the hard drive partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the F and G drives on the PC. Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the desk. When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives. Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted. I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each one. When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the F and G partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them. I looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data. It does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7. I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. (now would probably be a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux). So, that's my predicament. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on what to try? I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight). I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. Thanks, Eric Cobb http://www.cfgears.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347083 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store pretty much everything. All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything. I have the hard drive partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the F and G drives on the PC. Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the desk. When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives. Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted. Gerald's suggestion has worked for me (more than once). Usually, the thing that gets screwed up first is the enclosure and its connector. Once you do that, you should consider ... more robust alternatives to using a single drive. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or on ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347087 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online (i.e. the cloud) was the repository?? If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a safe backup solution? The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in case of say a fire at home (where you may not have a fire safe)...or perhaps a flood. To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe). I use Google Docs for storing documents, and I feel far more confident in that than any physical storage that I use as a backup to that. Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online (i.e. the cloud) was the repository?? Yes, it's storage in their datacenters. I'd not sure if they are using someone else's cloud or their own storage. If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a safe backup solution? Carbonite encrypts all the data before it leaves your computer. By default they mange the crypto keys for you, but you can configure it to use your own key that they won't have. Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-) As a first level, I have a ReadyNAS RAID device configured to do Time Machine backups. This runs hourly as a minimum. If a drive fails in the ReadyNAS, you can hot-swap and rebuild it. If two fail, or the entire device is crushed by an angry Sasquatch, you'd need a second level of protection. At a second level, that's where something like Carbonite comes in. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347095 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Carbonite eh.I've seen it mentioned a few timessaw a commercial for it over the weekend for the 1st time. Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online (i.e. the cloud) was the repository?? If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a safe backup solution? The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in case of say a fire at home (where you may not have a fire safe)...or perhaps a flood. To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe). Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-) TIA Cheers On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 09:45 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Send it to a data-recovery lab. ($$$) And then use Carbonite... -Original Message- From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some suggestions to help me figure this out. Here's my situation: I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store pretty much everything. All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything. I have the hard drive partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the F and G drives on the PC. Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the desk. When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives. Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted. I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each one. When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the F and G partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them. I looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data. It does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7. I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. (now would probably be a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux). So, that's my predicament. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on what to try? I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight). I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. Thanks, Eric Cobb http://www.cfgears.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347091 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
. Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. +1 They have excellent Department of Redundancy Departments. The distributed nature of cloud systems means (in theory at least) that there is no single point of failure. Having seen backups fail, I am a firm believer in backing up one's back ups and having multiple storage locations for important documents and data; both local and off site. G! On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: . Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com -- We all shine on. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347097 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. +1 They have excellent Department of Redundancy Departments. The distributed nature of cloud systems means (in theory at least) that there is no single point of failure. Yes, absolutely. Of course, you need to ensure that you purchase the correct options - some providers have different levels of redundancy, etc. But I feel much more confident that Google won't lose my data than that I won't lose it. And I have some pretty good local redundancy practices. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347098 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Thanks Dave I do of course know the marketing message behind such services, but it just takes a stupid tech having a bad day and your day suddenly gets really bad ;-) For that reason alone I can't ever see using it as a primary backup...but hey...that's me! Cheers On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 12:08 -0400, Dave Watts wrote: I use Google Docs for storing documents, and I feel far more confident in that than any physical storage that I use as a backup to that. Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347099 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Great info Cameron...thanks! On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 12:12 -0400, Cameron Childress wrote: On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online (i.e. the cloud) was the repository?? Yes, it's storage in their datacenters. I'd not sure if they are using someone else's cloud or their own storage. If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a safe backup solution? Carbonite encrypts all the data before it leaves your computer. By default they mange the crypto keys for you, but you can configure it to use your own key that they won't have. Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-) As a first level, I have a ReadyNAS RAID device configured to do Time Machine backups. This runs hourly as a minimum. If a drive fails in the ReadyNAS, you can hot-swap and rebuild it. If two fail, or the entire device is crushed by an angry Sasquatch, you'd need a second level of protection. At a second level, that's where something like Carbonite comes in. -Cameron -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347100 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
It's that in theory at least part that keeps me away ;-) +1 for backing up backups! On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 12:21 -0400, Gerald Guido wrote: . Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. +1 They have excellent Department of Redundancy Departments. The distributed nature of cloud systems means (in theory at least) that there is no single point of failure. Having seen backups fail, I am a firm believer in backing up one's back ups and having multiple storage locations for important documents and data; both local and off site. G! On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: . Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347101 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
I do of course know the marketing message behind such services, but it just takes a stupid tech having a bad day and your day suddenly gets really bad ;-) You've never been a stupid tech having a bad day yourself? I know I have. And sometimes that leads to funny stories, which I won't go into here. But many cloud services again have levels of redundancy that protect them from the individual bad days of stupid techs usually. It would take multiple stupid techs having really bad days in most cases. Not that this couldn't happen, of course, but to me, storage and email are things that work very well as utility services - they are likely to be more efficient and more reliable than me doing the same thing, in the same way that I'd rather rely on the power company than run my own generator 24/7 (although I might want a generator for outages). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347102 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Yes, it's storage in their datacenters. I'd not sure if they are using someone else's cloud or their own storage. Most seem to rely on either Amazon or Rackspace, and they simply provide more friendly front-ends to S3. As a first level, I have a ReadyNAS RAID device configured to do Time Machine backups. This runs hourly as a minimum. If a drive fails in the ReadyNAS, you can hot-swap and rebuild it. If two fail, or the entire device is crushed by an angry Sasquatch, you'd need a second level of protection. ... or the mainboard on your NAS unit fails - most of us don't keep a spare lying about. I have a four-drive array with a failure tolerance of two drives, and two spare drives behind my desk, and I still think that's more likely to be a SPOF than cloud storage. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or ons ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347103 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Carbonite eh.I've seen it mentioned a few timessaw a commercial for it over the weekend for the 1st time. Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online (i.e. the cloud) was the repository?? If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a safe backup solution? The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in case of say a fire at home (where you may not have a fire safe)...or perhaps a flood. To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe). The cloud is one way to backup. The advantage to it is that it can be set up to work independently and automatically. You can also set up local media to do the same or use some sort of removable media and store off-site. The easiest way to backup means you are more likely to do it. In that way, a cloud backup may be the easiest after it is set up. Restores also should be thought out since restoring large backups could be an issue in a pinch. The only thing that I backup are files I can't reproduce like photo files or old email I have POPed off the server. There are also a few other files that I have created and are not on a server somewhere. I archive photos semiannually to DVDs and CDs and store them in a safe deposit box. I also have them on a disk locally. I backup my files to a separate disk semi-automatically in case of hard disk failure. The bigger issue for me is the loss of a working environment if a laptop or desktop image goes mental. In that case, cloning a drive may be an idea. It takes forever to get back to work if you lose a development environment. -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/roger-austin/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek Google+: https://plus.google.com/117357905892731200369 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347104 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
It's that in theory at least part that keeps me away ;-) Ditto, that is why I keep a local copy(s) of my back up in-house and then back that up to the cloud. Really, it is a numbers game. Nothing is impossible but it is highly improbable that both local and cloud will fail at the same time. G! On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: It's that in theory at least part that keeps me away ;-) +1 for backing up backups! On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 12:21 -0400, Gerald Guido wrote: . Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. +1 They have excellent Department of Redundancy Departments. The distributed nature of cloud systems means (in theory at least) that there is no single point of failure. Having seen backups fail, I am a firm believer in backing up one's back ups and having multiple storage locations for important documents and data; both local and off site. G! On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: . Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347106 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
http://services.seagate.com/diysoftware.aspx I have had luck using this in the past. You can try the demo version first. Jacob -Original Message- From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some suggestions to help me figure this out. Here's my situation: I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store pretty much everything. All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything. I have the hard drive partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the F and G drives on the PC. Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the desk. When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives. Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted. I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each one. When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the F and G partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them. I looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data. It does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7. I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. (now would probably be a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux). So, that's my predicament. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on what to try? I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight). I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. Thanks, Eric Cobb http://www.cfgears.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347107 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
I use Carbonite, on top of my first backup. $55 well spent. For most people, they will do their own backup for a while then stop. With Carbonite, it is in the background and you do not have to worry about it. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:58 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive Carbonite eh.I've seen it mentioned a few timessaw a commercial for it over the weekend for the 1st time. Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online (i.e. the cloud) was the repository?? If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a safe backup solution? The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in case of say a fire at home (where you may not have a fire safe)...or perhaps a flood. To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe). Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-) TIA Cheers On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 09:45 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote: Send it to a data-recovery lab. ($$$) And then use Carbonite... -Original Message- From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some suggestions to help me figure this out. Here's my situation: I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store pretty much everything. All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything. I have the hard drive partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the F and G drives on the PC. Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the desk. When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives. Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted. I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each one. When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the F and G partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them. I looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data. It does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7. I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. (now would probably be a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux). So, that's my predicament. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on what to try? I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight). I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. Thanks, Eric Cobb http://www.cfgears.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347108 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Key to a good backup strategy, have three copies... your primary copy and two backups. -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:21 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive . Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. +1 They have excellent Department of Redundancy Departments. The distributed nature of cloud systems means (in theory at least) that there is no single point of failure. Having seen backups fail, I am a firm believer in backing up one's back ups and having multiple storage locations for important documents and data; both local and off site. G! On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: . Most cloud storage providers have much more redundancy (and other protections) than you're going to get with your own hardware. -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com -- We all shine on. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347109 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
If you absolutely must have the data, there are several excellent data recovery companies, but as someone else mentioned, they are costly. I've use Drive Savers in Novato, CA http://www.drivesaversdatarecovery.com/ and Disk Doctors in Norcross, GA http://www.diskdoctors.com/ with great success. Working as I do in film and media, I have frequent instances of clients messing up their data storage, so having these companies on call is very helpful. Both will give you an estimate before they do the recovery so you can decide if you feel the investment is worth it. Drive Savers really bailed me out last summer when someone sabotaged my computers and my backup drives. I have redundant storage both on-site and in the cloud now. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Eric Cobb cft...@ecartech.com wrote: So, that's my predicament. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on what to try? I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight). I appreciate any suggestions anyone may hav ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347111 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
There are alot of response to this thread and i didn't read them all yet yet... but if you tried multiple computers and have the same issue, my only other suggestion is to take it apart to get the actual drive out and try to put it in another enclosure. You have a 50/50 chance of the issue just being a busted chip/transistor or something on the SATA to USB board. You may even open it up and see the problem with a disconnected piece or possibly a black spot on the board. Being something like that doesn't mean the drive isn't bad too now, but there is always that chance that the drive is fine. I've been that lucky more than once. Once you do get all of your stuff back... get some offsite storage/backup! I believe Picasa has free unlimited storage now that Google+ is out. Great place to start with your images :-) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com http://cf4em.com -Original Message- From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some suggestions to help me figure this out. Here's my situation: I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store pretty much everything. All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything. I have the hard drive partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the F and G drives on the PC. Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the desk. When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives. Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted. I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each one. When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the F and G partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them. I looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data. It does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7. I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. (now would probably be a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux). So, that's my predicament. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on what to try? I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight). I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. Thanks, Eric Cobb http://www.cfgears.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347114 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Dunno if anyone has suggested it yet, but give spinrite a try, it is very cheap and can do a good job of recovery data. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Bobby Hartsfield bo...@acoderslife.comwrote: There are alot of response to this thread and i didn't read them all yet yet... but if you tried multiple computers and have the same issue, my only other suggestion is to take it apart to get the actual drive out and try to put it in another enclosure. You have a 50/50 chance of the issue just being a busted chip/transistor or something on the SATA to USB board. You may even open it up and see the problem with a disconnected piece or possibly a black spot on the board. Being something like that doesn't mean the drive isn't bad too now, but there is always that chance that the drive is fine. I've been that lucky more than once. Once you do get all of your stuff back... get some offsite storage/backup! I believe Picasa has free unlimited storage now that Google+ is out. Great place to start with your images :-) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com http://cf4em.com -Original Message- From: Eric Cobb [mailto:cft...@ecartech.com] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive So, this is way OT, but I'm hoping someone out there can give me some suggestions to help me figure this out. Here's my situation: I have a 500GB USB external hard drive on my home PC that I use to store pretty much everything. All of our pictures, financial documents, mp3s, code repositories, everything. I have the hard drive partitioned into 2 equal parts, and they are set up as the F and G drives on the PC. Last week, my 9 month old grabbed the cable and pulled the hard drive off of the desk. When I plugged the hard drive back in, I could no longer access any of the data on the drives. Windows is saying that the drives need to be formatted. I've tried it on 3 separate machines, and I get the same thing on each one. When I plug in the hard drive, Windows sees both the F and G partitions, but wants to format them every time I try to open them. I looked in disk manager and it shows each partition with the correct size, but it says that each one is 100% free and contains no data. It does this on Windows XP, Windows 2003, and Windows 7. I tried booting Knoppix to see if I could access it that way, but I can't even get Knoppix to see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. I used VirtualBox to boot an Ubuntu instance, but got the same results as Knoppix, either it doesn't see the USB hard drive, or if it does I don't know where to look. (now would probably be a good time to mention that I don't know squat about Linux). So, that's my predicament. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on what to try? I feel like that if I can get Knoppinx/Ubuntu to see the drive that may be my best bet, but I don't have a clue as to how to do it. (plan on doing some serious googling tonight). I appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. Thanks, Eric Cobb http://www.cfgears.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347115 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
I use Acronis True Image to create weekly drive images for my C: drive (SSD housing OS, Eclipse, etc.) and D: drive (2 TB Data) drives to a separate internal drive (E:), as well as nightly incremental images. Acronis is worth the money over the built-in Windows system image tool because it can verify the image (mandatory IMO), define any schedule you wish (such as mixing full and incremental), lets you browse and restore individual files from the images at will, and lets you perform a restore on different hardware if necessary. Second layer is Carbonite, doing a full web backup of all critical data, as a last resort in the event of physical destruction of the system. Having learned a long time ago the brutally harsh lesson about backing up my data, the minor expenses associated with this setup is a steal compared to the time and effort I've wasted trying to recover data. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Carbonite eh.I've seen it mentioned a few timessaw a commercial for it over the weekend for the 1st time. Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online (i.e. the cloud) was the repository?? If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a safe backup solution? The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in case of say a fire at home (where you may not have a fire safe)...or perhaps a flood. To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe). Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-) TIA Cheers ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347116 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) Recover Data from External Hard Drive
Actually, sorry, I use Mozy, not Carboninte. :-) On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: I use Acronis True Image to create weekly drive images for my C: drive (SSD housing OS, Eclipse, etc.) and D: drive (2 TB Data) drives to a separate internal drive (E:), as well as nightly incremental images. Acronis is worth the money over the built-in Windows system image tool because it can verify the image (mandatory IMO), define any schedule you wish (such as mixing full and incremental), lets you browse and restore individual files from the images at will, and lets you perform a restore on different hardware if necessary. Second layer is Carbonite, doing a full web backup of all critical data, as a last resort in the event of physical destruction of the system. Having learned a long time ago the brutally harsh lesson about backing up my data, the minor expenses associated with this setup is a steal compared to the time and effort I've wasted trying to recover data. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Carbonite eh.I've seen it mentioned a few timessaw a commercial for it over the weekend for the 1st time. Perhaps I didn't understand the offer, but it sure seemed like online (i.e. the cloud) was the repository?? If so, I'm curious why the cloud is seen as a safe backup solution? The only use I can see for cloud based backups is a secondary backup in case of say a fire at home (where you may not have a fire safe)...or perhaps a flood. To use it as primary backup seems even more prone to problems than a kid yanking on cords (given that it's beyond your controlbut it would be safe from your own kids...hehe). Anyways, just curious to see what folks think and to make sure I'm not missing some silver bullet solution to backups ;-) TIA Cheers ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347117 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
