Re: .NET suggestions
Maybe you need to forward this Dilbert cartoon to the CTO http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050823.html Marlon On 8/20/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, If your CTO is dead set on not using CFML and you need to get knee deep in ASP.Net, then I suggest picking up the following book: Build Your Own ASP.NET Website Using C# VB.NET http://www.sitepoint.com/books/aspnet1/ Its, IMO, the best book around. Its straight to the point without being as big as War Peace. You'll still need a good C# reference but this book will give you the fundamentals you'll need to start working. Rey... Tom McNeer wrote: To Kevin and Matthew -- Thanks for the references. To others, particularly Matt, since he's the one who raised the real issue -- I'm well aware of BD .NET and its advantages. I've had lunch with Charlie Arehart and Brian O'Reilly. (And for that matter, Brian called me a few minutes ago because of this post). But while I wouldn't characterize the situation exactly as Matt did, it does seem (at the moment) as if the determination is that the CF code base will be replaced. I intend to discuss Blue Dragon as an option with this client. But my current guess is that he will choose to rewrite the applications to eliminate the CFML. If that's the final decision, then we will need to be writing C#, I guess. And if we get to that point -- does anyone else have any other suggestions for the best books/courses/online resources? -- http://www.ReyBango.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216056 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET suggestions
On 8/23/05, Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you need to forward this Dilbert cartoon to the CTO On the other hand, maybe I'd like to keep the account. ;-) -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216057 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I completely second the recommendation for the C# books by Jesse Liberty. And if you ever get a chance to see him speak, do it. He is very articulate and bright and conveys information well. Robyn Here are two books I have and recommend (both by Jesse Liberty): Learning C# http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/learncsharp This book will give you a good foundation and is for beginners to the language or programming in general. If you have prior programming experience you should be able to get through this book fairly quickly. Programming C# http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progcsharp4 If you have prior programming experience you can go right to this book, but even if you do I'd suggest starting with Learning C# so you don't get distracted by all of the more advanced areas of .net programming in this book. Andy ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216059 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Tom, Not to mention you might like C#, most do but are only afraid of the initial complexity. Just the learning curve you need to pass. Within a month you figured out that datasets are not all that ;) Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 22 augustus 2005 14:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET suggestions I just want to thank everyone for their kind suggestions. On 8/20/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your CTO is dead set on not using CFML and you need to get knee deep in ASP.Net, then I suggest picking up the following book: Well, he's not mine, but the situation is likely to fall out that way. Again, thanks to all for your help. Besides, learning another technology may be a pain, but it's not a bad thing. And they could have chosen to find another development firm, too. -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215891 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I just want to thank everyone for their kind suggestions. On 8/20/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your CTO is dead set on not using CFML and you need to get knee deep in ASP.Net, then I suggest picking up the following book: Well, he's not mine, but the situation is likely to fall out that way. Again, thanks to all for your help. Besides, learning another technology may be a pain, but it's not a bad thing. And they could have chosen to find another development firm, too. -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215889 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Within a month you figured out that datasets are not all that ;) Basically, struct of queries... =] Kevin -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 22, 2005 7:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: .NET suggestions Tom, Not to mention you might like C#, most do but are only afraid of the initial complexity. Just the learning curve you need to pass. Within a month you figured out that datasets are not all that ;) Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 22 augustus 2005 14:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET suggestions I just want to thank everyone for their kind suggestions. On 8/20/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your CTO is dead set on not using CFML and you need to get knee deep in ASP.Net, then I suggest picking up the following book: Well, he's not mine, but the situation is likely to fall out that way. Again, thanks to all for your help. Besides, learning another technology may be a pain, but it's not a bad thing. And they could have chosen to find another development firm, too. -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215896 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Tom, If your CTO is dead set on not using CFML and you need to get knee deep in ASP.Net, then I suggest picking up the following book: Build Your Own ASP.NET Website Using C# VB.NET http://www.sitepoint.com/books/aspnet1/ Its, IMO, the best book around. Its straight to the point without being as big as War Peace. You'll still need a good C# reference but this book will give you the fundamentals you'll need to start working. Rey... Tom McNeer wrote: To Kevin and Matthew -- Thanks for the references. To others, particularly Matt, since he's the one who raised the real issue -- I'm well aware of BD .NET and its advantages. I've had lunch with Charlie Arehart and Brian O'Reilly. (And for that matter, Brian called me a few minutes ago because of this post). But while I wouldn't characterize the situation exactly as Matt did, it does seem (at the moment) as if the determination is that the CF code base will be replaced. I intend to discuss Blue Dragon as an option with this client. But my current guess is that he will choose to rewrite the applications to eliminate the CFML. If that's the final decision, then we will need to be writing C#, I guess. And if we get to that point -- does anyone else have any other suggestions for the best books/courses/online resources? -- http://www.ReyBango.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215864 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Hi, We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215758 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Microsoft ASP.NET Step by Step - Microsoft Press Definitely get Visual Studio.Net now - don't try to manually compile a page. Take an application you have already written in CF and convert it using ..NET. http://www.asp.net is the official Microsoft website for ASP.NET Matthew Small -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET suggestions Hi, We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215761 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I would suggest you look at BlueDragon. Then you can deploy on .NET but still using CFML. Much less of a learning curve and will make the migration quicker methinks. Russ -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 August 2005 15:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET suggestions Hi, We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215762 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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If the issue is that the applications need to use the .NET framework, then is BlueDragon.NET an option? Or is the issue is that CIO in question is one who believes that web applications Don't really work and Aren't really professional if they aren't built in ASP... I guess I'm asking, is it really the framework that's at issue, or is it a manager who doesn't know to separate the framework from the language interacting with it? Matt Osbun Web Developer Health Systems, International -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET suggestions Hi, We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215763 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Actually, the free editor at asp.net is quite good, but I'd still suggest getting VS.NET. Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 19, 2005 8:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: .NET suggestions Microsoft ASP.NET Step by Step - Microsoft Press Definitely get Visual Studio.Net now - don't try to manually compile a page. Take an application you have already written in CF and convert it using ...NET. http://www.asp.net is the official Microsoft website for ASP.NET Matthew Small -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET suggestions Hi, We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215771 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Good point. I've not used it myself, but I've heard good things about it. Matthew Small -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: .NET suggestions Actually, the free editor at asp.net is quite good, but I'd still suggest getting VS.NET. Cheers, Kevin ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215773 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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To Kevin and Matthew -- Thanks for the references. To others, particularly Matt, since he's the one who raised the real issue -- I'm well aware of BD .NET and its advantages. I've had lunch with Charlie Arehart and Brian O'Reilly. (And for that matter, Brian called me a few minutes ago because of this post). But while I wouldn't characterize the situation exactly as Matt did, it does seem (at the moment) as if the determination is that the CF code base will be replaced. I intend to discuss Blue Dragon as an option with this client. But my current guess is that he will choose to rewrite the applications to eliminate the CFML. If that's the final decision, then we will need to be writing C#, I guess. And if we get to that point -- does anyone else have any other suggestions for the best books/courses/online resources? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215774 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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In that case, speaking generically, I've always had a lot of success with O'Reilly Press and the 10-Minute Solutions lines of reference books. Specifically, I bought a .NET 10-minute Solutions book some time ago, and rather like it. If you're not familiar with the line, the author gives Real World (their term) problems and solutions in the given language, along with code. In this case, VB.NET. http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0782142532.html O'reilly has a C# Cookbook: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/csharpckbk/ C# Essentials: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/csharpess2/ And C# In A Nutshell http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/csharpnut2/ I haven't read those, but I've always liked the O'Reilly books. Matt Osbun Web Developer Health Systems, International -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET suggestions To Kevin and Matthew -- Thanks for the references. To others, particularly Matt, since he's the one who raised the real issue -- I'm well aware of BD .NET and its advantages. I've had lunch with Charlie Arehart and Brian O'Reilly. (And for that matter, Brian called me a few minutes ago because of this post). But while I wouldn't characterize the situation exactly as Matt did, it does seem (at the moment) as if the determination is that the CF code base will be replaced. I intend to discuss Blue Dragon as an option with this client. But my current guess is that he will choose to rewrite the applications to eliminate the CFML. If that's the final decision, then we will need to be writing C#, I guess. And if we get to that point -- does anyone else have any other suggestions for the best books/courses/online resources? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215782 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Tom McNeer wrote: We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? I suggest looking at: Migrating from ColdFusion to ASP.NET Author: Joel Mueller, Microsoft Corporation Summary: Learn how to migrate from ColdFusion to ASP.NET. A comparison of ColdFusion MX and ASP.NET as well as common task scenarios for each application development framework are included. (25 printed pages) http://tinyurl.com/h8tx http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/e n-us/dnaspp/html/coldfusiontoaspnet.asp ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215787 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
Tom, There are several very good books available to get you started. ASP.NET Website Programming by Marco Bellinaso and Kevin Hoffman is a good book covering the basics of the framework. Iit assumes you know a fair deal of c# and starts with building a foundation for further use throughout the book, and then covering 3 tier development, io operations by building a file manager, database operations by building a portal, basic security foundations for .NET, and in the end you will have build a complete portal with user management, forums, a blog, and file management. It also addresses aspects like caching techniques, webservices, xslt etc. A good start for the newcomer. The most difficult part I experienced in the learning process was to figure out, if what I wanted to do was already available in the .NET framework. There is just so much to find out, but it is real fun and development speed is very high. Micha From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/19/2005 5:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET suggestions To Kevin and Matthew -- Thanks for the references. To others, particularly Matt, since he's the one who raised the real issue -- I'm well aware of BD .NET and its advantages. I've had lunch with Charlie Arehart and Brian O'Reilly. (And for that matter, Brian called me a few minutes ago because of this post). But while I wouldn't characterize the situation exactly as Matt did, it does seem (at the moment) as if the determination is that the CF code base will be replaced. I intend to discuss Blue Dragon as an option with this client. But my current guess is that he will choose to rewrite the applications to eliminate the CFML. If that's the final decision, then we will need to be writing C#, I guess. And if we get to that point -- does anyone else have any other suggestions for the best books/courses/online resources? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215835 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Charles -- Thanks, I had forgotten about that comparison. A little outdated, but helpful. And Micha -- Iit assumes you know a fair deal of c# but if I don't? (which I don't yet, though I'd rather learn C# than VBScript). -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215839 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Tom, Then there is another good book, and that is (and ofcourse there are many others) C# for Professionals from Wrox. It is about 1300 pages, and covers literally everything for C#. Micha From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/19/2005 10:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET suggestions Charles -- Thanks, I had forgotten about that comparison. A little outdated, but helpful. And Micha -- Iit assumes you know a fair deal of c# . but if I don't? (which I don't yet, though I'd rather learn C# than VBScript). -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215842 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
-Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET suggestions So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? Here are two books I have and recommend (both by Jesse Liberty): Learning C# http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/learncsharp This book will give you a good foundation and is for beginners to the language or programming in general. If you have prior programming experience you should be able to get through this book fairly quickly. Programming C# http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progcsharp4 If you have prior programming experience you can go right to this book, but even if you do I'd suggest starting with Learning C# so you don't get distracted by all of the more advanced areas of .net programming in this book. Andy ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215855 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
