Re: 15 minute rule
such as setting your mail server date/time to be about 4 months in the future? :) Kevin Aebig wrote: I find it easier to never make mistakes =P~ !k - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: OT: 15 minute rule Hey All, Around Electric Edge we have something called The 15 Minute Rule. I'm not sure if this is a common sort of rule, but it sure does help keep development moving ;-) When the rule applies: You've been staring at the same error or unexpected output and you've exhausted your arsenal of coding kung fu and still can't get it sorted. Around Electric Edge we then call out I'd like to invoke the 15 Minute Rule!. At this pooint any available developers will come over so you can share your heartache over this mysterious situation you just can't solve. One of them barely glances at your code and says You spelled that var name wrong (you knowthe one you double checked 25 times becuase it was a var undefined error) and wanders back to his/her desk leaving your jaw on the floor. Although techies asking for help is often like guys asking for directions, it does solve those stupid issues but quick ;-) Anyways...just figured other teams may have similar rules?? I often use this list as my 15 minute rulehehe Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214206 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 15 minute rule
Smartass... =] I don't take care of the mail servers. !k -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 9, 2005 11:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 15 minute rule such as setting your mail server date/time to be about 4 months in the future? :) Kevin Aebig wrote: I find it easier to never make mistakes =P~ !k ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214227 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 15 minute rule
Ah! an error of ommission? -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: 15 minute rule Smartass... =] I don't take care of the mail servers. !k -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 9, 2005 11:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 15 minute rule such as setting your mail server date/time to be about 4 months in the future? :) Kevin Aebig wrote: I find it easier to never make mistakes =P~ !k ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214235 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 15 minute rule
Hahaha... you guys aren't going to let this go are you? Yes I make mistakes, as anyone who helped beta CRD would *definitely* know. =] Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Dave Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 9, 2005 1:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: 15 minute rule Ah! an error of ommission? -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: 15 minute rule Smartass... =] I don't take care of the mail servers. !k -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 9, 2005 11:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 15 minute rule such as setting your mail server date/time to be about 4 months in the future? :) Kevin Aebig wrote: I find it easier to never make mistakes =P~ !k ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214240 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
I did that goof off/stare at the fridge thing years ago. You learn to stoppit pretty fast or the fridge empties out :-) One thing I do is use a mechanical stopwatch to bill my time. If I don't hear it clicking away I'm not making any money. Speaking of which... -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com http://mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213966 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
The problem with the 15 minute rule is that you are breaking the work and concentration of the developer who didn't have a problem. Joel goes into the effects of this a bit when he talks about why programers need doors. I'd say you should send email to all the developers in your office. That way you are breaking everyone concentration by walking into thier office and starting a conversation. If the other developers are deep in work, they can just ignore the email until later. -Adam On 8/6/05, Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did that goof off/stare at the fridge thing years ago. You learn to stoppit pretty fast or the fridge empties out :-) One thing I do is use a mechanical stopwatch to bill my time. If I don't hear it clicking away I'm not making any money. Speaking of which... -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com http://mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213974 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
The problem with the 15 minute rule is that you are breaking the work and concentration of the developer who didn't have a problem. Joel goes into the effects of this a bit when he talks about why programers need doors. I'd say you should send email to all the developers in your office. That way you are breaking everyone concentration by walking into thier office and starting a conversation. If the other developers are deep in work, they can just ignore the email until later. -Adam and the fun in that is??? ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213975 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
The problem with the 15 minute rule is that you are breaking the work and concentration of the developer who didn't have a problem. Joel goes into the effects of this a bit when he talks about why programers need doors. I'd say you should send email to all the developers in your office. That way you are breaking everyone concentration by walking into thier office and starting a conversation. If the other developers are deep in work, they can just ignore the email until later. At my day job currently I have a door... though the undocumented 15 minute rule in our office is that when you're stuck, you come ask me (including the Chief Architect, Vince - my immediate supervisor). No disrespect to the other programmers at all, I'm simply the most experienced person in our office. Usually they will send me an instant message, although Laura who's now in charge of overseeing workflow in the office tends to just knock at my door, and Rich (the other RD team member asside from Vince) seems to be half-and-half between instant messenger and physically knocking. They wouldn't have to knock except that I'm keeping the door closed lately only because a few people have commented about my streaming 80's music. Although it's true that a physical knock at the door does interrupt my thought process, I don't personally notice that the interruption significantly influences the amount of time I need to complete a task. I generall can walk down the hall, help Rich with some problematic JavaScript or SQL, walk back to my office and immediately remember exactly what it was I was doing. Although I've heard people talk about interruptions being an issue (not just with programming, but say, studying for a class), I don't think they are for everyone. I certainly don't think I'm unique in this respect... I suspect a good number of programmers aren't really hindered by the interruption. That being said, if an individual feels that the interruption is a problem for them, then I do believe they should have a closed door to limit their number of interruptions. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213977 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
Yep Isaac...I'm a multi-taskerI like it when I'm thinking 5 files aheadmusic blaring...and interupptions don't phase me a bit. That said...other developers I know can barely focus on 1 task at a time ;) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213978 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
more like damm [EMAIL PROTECTED] piece of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sh!t, why the f*!k won't you [EMAIL PROTECTED] work! Ah well, *that* certainly sounds familiar. Trouble is the only developer around here besides me is a parrot, although at times he's smarter than I am (at least he can see the TV from his spacious 6-ft by 3-ft town house). -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com http://mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213948 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
Home is bad for me or may I say horrible. I cannot program at home. I always end up watching TV, have a big lunch or dinner and then fall asleep, or sometimes just sitting on the couch reading any sort of magazines or papers I could find. I find myself watching TV most of the time these days since we just got HBO and ShowTime:-) Anyway I bought a laptop a few weeks ago, and move my office to a local coffee shop. I am so productive there - 100% billable:-) I do spend about $10.00 a day at the coffee shop, but it is totally worth it. I could just cancel my cable subscription. It would be a lot cheaper than a laptop and $10/day at a coffee shop, but oh, well:-) Oh, sorry for getting off track the 15 minute rule. Yah, I don't have anyone to bounce my problems with. So you guys usually are the ones I bounce my problems with. Although these days I get used to my programming patterns and errors. So I usually can pinpoint my errors right away. Bugs are harder to track than errors. I usually solve my bugs in my sleep. Many times I find myself waking up in the middle of the night and go ohh, so that's what the problem was. I guess I am smarter in my sleep than when I am awake:-( Johnny A little harsh on the couple of last statements there James :o) but true. I know what you mean though, the office enviorment is full of too many distractions to do solid work. Home is definately better, but sometime the hustle and bustle is missed On 8/4/05, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213957 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
Pete, same here in regards to the one man band. Its probably one of the biggest draw backs working from home, and one of the reasons i sometimes enjoy having to work up in the offices (though im still the only CF guy there). My 15 min rule is probably moving away from the error, making a black coffee, then coming back and hitting the lists to solve it. Failure to resolve my issue will probably mean regretting throwing my laptop out of the window at a later date :o) or less drastically banging my mouse up and down on the desk until realising its that i don't want to break it as my shortcut keys knowledge is crap. Andy J www.andyjarrett.co.uk On 8/4/05, Pete Ruckelshaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd kill to have another developer in the office to bounce that sort of stuff off of. Alas, I am a one man band. Developer. Designer. DBA. Sysadmin. Exchange server admin. IT guy. Facilities manager. Pete On 8/3/05, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really dunno what you guys are talkin' about. My code is always perfect. Everything works first run. I've never seen a CF error (What do they look like?) Could someone please send me a screen cap? I've even TRIED to create an error, and I just cannot do it! Maybe you could even include some faulty code and I'll run it? :) Will ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213701 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
On Thursday 04 August 2005 02:15, Bryan Stevenson wrote: Around Electric Edge we have something called The 15 Minute Rule. I'm We do the same thing. I think most programmers do, even if they don't codify it. I'll go make a cup of tea, for instance, or have lunch, or fix something else. Usually works. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213704 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 15 minute rule
Seems like common sense - if your in trouble ask someone - its how teams function. -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 August 2005 02:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: 15 minute rule -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Around Electric Edge we have something called The 15 Minute Rule. I'm not sure if this is a common sort of rule, but it sure does help keep development moving ;-) That's a really neat idea. I usually go rant/ask to the VP, who knows most of everything anyway. If I figure its too CFML-heavy I'll email here. You'd be surprised how often my wife points out things though, almost every time she looks over my shoulder she'll spot something, even though she doesn't know most of what I do. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213710 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
I admit that I've wasted an hour or two on problems that weren't really problems, that may have been caught by someone who was around to hear me scream obscenities at the machine, but there are so many benefits of working from home that far outweigh that one drawback for me (e.g. not wasting hours being interrupted by those who have mistaken me for someone who actually wants to discuss their favourite group of people who skillfully hit a ball with a stick on the weekend etc etc). On 8/4/05, Andy Jarrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete, same here in regards to the one man band. Its probably one of the biggest draw backs working from home, and one of the reasons i sometimes enjoy having to work up in the offices (though im still the only CF guy there). ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213712 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
A little harsh on the couple of last statements there James :o) but true. I know what you mean though, the office enviorment is full of too many distractions to do solid work. Home is definately better, but sometime the hustle and bustle is missed On 8/4/05, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit that I've wasted an hour or two on problems that weren't really problems, that may have been caught by someone who was around to hear me scream obscenities at the machine, but there are so many benefits of working from home that far outweigh that one drawback for me (e.g. not wasting hours being interrupted by those who have mistaken me for someone who actually wants to discuss their favourite group of people who skillfully hit a ball with a stick on the weekend etc etc). On 8/4/05, Andy Jarrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete, same here in regards to the one man band. Its probably one of the biggest draw backs working from home, and one of the reasons i sometimes enjoy having to work up in the offices (though im still the only CF guy there). ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213713 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: 15 minute rule
I find it easier to never make mistakes =P~ !k *ahem* BS *cough* ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213734 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
(e.g. not wasting hours being interrupted by those who have mistaken me for someone who actually wants to discuss their favourite group of people who skillfully hit a ball with a stick on the weekend etc etc). I'm with ya.those are the I'm sorry you've mistaken me for someone that gives a damn people ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213762 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
so, how 'bout them Red Sox? :) Bryan Stevenson wrote: (e.g. not wasting hours being interrupted by those who have mistaken me for someone who actually wants to discuss their favourite group of people who skillfully hit a ball with a stick on the weekend etc etc). I'm with ya.those are the I'm sorry you've mistaken me for someone that gives a damn people ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213763 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
so, how 'bout them Red Sox? :) One in every crowd eh Ray ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213764 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
As a fashion statement, I'd say they're too much like a Christmas costume. Better to stick with basic black or white. :) so, how 'bout them Red Sox? :) Bryan Stevenson wrote: (e.g. not wasting hours being interrupted by those who have mistaken me for someone who actually wants to discuss their favourite group of people who skillfully hit a ball with a stick on the weekend etc etc). I'm with ya.those are the I'm sorry you've mistaken me for someone that gives a damn people ;-) s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213831 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
OT: 15 minute rule
Hey All, Around Electric Edge we have something called The 15 Minute Rule. I'm not sure if this is a common sort of rule, but it sure does help keep development moving ;-) When the rule applies: You've been staring at the same error or unexpected output and you've exhausted your arsenal of coding kung fu and still can't get it sorted. Around Electric Edge we then call out I'd like to invoke the 15 Minute Rule!. At this pooint any available developers will come over so you can share your heartache over this mysterious situation you just can't solve. One of them barely glances at your code and says You spelled that var name wrong (you knowthe one you double checked 25 times becuase it was a var undefined error) and wanders back to his/her desk leaving your jaw on the floor. Although techies asking for help is often like guys asking for directions, it does solve those stupid issues but quick ;-) Anyways...just figured other teams may have similar rules?? I often use this list as my 15 minute rulehehe Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213692 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 15 minute rule
-Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Around Electric Edge we have something called The 15 Minute Rule. I'm not sure if this is a common sort of rule, but it sure does help keep development moving ;-) That's a really neat idea. I usually go rant/ask to the VP, who knows most of everything anyway. If I figure its too CFML-heavy I'll email here. You'd be surprised how often my wife points out things though, almost every time she looks over my shoulder she'll spot something, even though she doesn't know most of what I do. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213693 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
On 8/4/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey All, Around Electric Edge we have something called The 15 Minute Rule. I'm not sure if this is a common sort of rule, but it sure does help keep development moving ;-) When the rule applies: Hmmm, in our little office that 4 of us share, we don't call that out but more like damm [EMAIL PROTECTED] piece of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sh!t, why the f*!k won't you [EMAIL PROTECTED] work! followed by a severe desk banging. At which point, someone wheels across the room and finds the fix in 10 seconds adding to angry developers already inflated level of rage. So, same process, different methodology. Cheers, Jon ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213694 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: 15 minute rule
We have one called the three times rule. A software or web site enhancement has to be requested a _minimum_ of three times before any actual work is begun. In practice it goes a little like this: The first time, you can just nod your head and not really listen. It could be a job that takes 5 minutes or 5 months, but it doesn't matter, because it's not likely to ever actually happen. The second time it's permitted to give actual thought to the request. State whether it's doable, give a vague time estimate, but don't even consider doing any real design work and God help you if you start any coding. The third time, it's ok to start the work, but giving it a high priority usually isn't wise. If a fourth or fifth request come in then consider the project to be real. Needless to say, things are fairly informal around here. The boss commonly gets a wild hair and asks for some random software or web site change. In the past I've forgotten the rule and whipped out a solution in a couple of hours, only to have it never put into production in a live web site or software system. Now, nine times out of ten, the original request is forgotten within a few days. If a second request comes in then there's still a better than even chance that it will eventually be forgotten. - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: OT: 15 minute rule Hey All, Around Electric Edge we have something called The 15 Minute Rule. I'm not sure if this is a common sort of rule, but it sure does help keep development moving ;-) When the rule applies: You've been staring at the same error or unexpected output and you've exhausted your arsenal of coding kung fu and still can't get it sorted. Around Electric Edge we then call out I'd like to invoke the 15 Minute Rule!. At this pooint any available developers will come over so you can share your heartache over this mysterious situation you just can't solve. One of them barely glances at your code and says You spelled that var name wrong (you knowthe one you double checked 25 times becuase it was a var undefined error) and wanders back to his/her desk leaving your jaw on the floor. Although techies asking for help is often like guys asking for directions, it does solve those stupid issues but quick ;-) Anyways...just figured other teams may have similar rules?? I often use this list as my 15 minute rulehehe ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213695 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: 15 minute rule
I find it easier to never make mistakes =P~ !k - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: OT: 15 minute rule Hey All, Around Electric Edge we have something called The 15 Minute Rule. I'm not sure if this is a common sort of rule, but it sure does help keep development moving ;-) When the rule applies: You've been staring at the same error or unexpected output and you've exhausted your arsenal of coding kung fu and still can't get it sorted. Around Electric Edge we then call out I'd like to invoke the 15 Minute Rule!. At this pooint any available developers will come over so you can share your heartache over this mysterious situation you just can't solve. One of them barely glances at your code and says You spelled that var name wrong (you knowthe one you double checked 25 times becuase it was a var undefined error) and wanders back to his/her desk leaving your jaw on the floor. Although techies asking for help is often like guys asking for directions, it does solve those stupid issues but quick ;-) Anyways...just figured other teams may have similar rules?? I often use this list as my 15 minute rulehehe Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213696 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
My wife Frances, better known round here as the Chairman of Finance says that desks ought to be made with toughened zones in the middle, just behind and beside where my keyboard goes. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 8/4/05, Jon Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/4/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey All, Around Electric Edge we have something called The 15 Minute Rule. I'm not sure if this is a common sort of rule, but it sure does help keep development moving ;-) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213697 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
I really dunno what you guys are talkin' about. My code is always perfect. Everything works first run. I've never seen a CF error (What do they look like?) Could someone please send me a screen cap? I've even TRIED to create an error, and I just cannot do it! Maybe you could even include some faulty code and I'll run it? :) Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213699 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: 15 minute rule
I'd kill to have another developer in the office to bounce that sort of stuff off of. Alas, I am a one man band. Developer. Designer. DBA. Sysadmin. Exchange server admin. IT guy. Facilities manager. Pete On 8/3/05, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really dunno what you guys are talkin' about. My code is always perfect. Everything works first run. I've never seen a CF error (What do they look like?) Could someone please send me a screen cap? I've even TRIED to create an error, and I just cannot do it! Maybe you could even include some faulty code and I'll run it? :) Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213700 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
