Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE application server implements everything that goes along with JDBC drivers like connection pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having JDBC problems with CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere and see if the problems go away. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who can afford to implement CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't looked at it recently, but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me that was well over 10x the cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that may include the cost of the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the software alone were terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the extra stuff... S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE application server implements everything that goes along with JDBC drivers like connection pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having JDBC problems with CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere and see if the problems go away. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
You can buy a single server license to WebSphere for 7k. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who can afford to implement CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't looked at it recently, but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me that was well over 10x the cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that may include the cost of the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the software alone were terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the extra stuff... S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE application server implements everything that goes along with JDBC drivers like connection pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having JDBC problems with CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere and see if the problems go away. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
So you're advocating a minimum 140% increase in the cost of the server as a fix for their JDBC problems? I think there are better solutions -- I don't think any of them will result in applications which are not working on MX now working on MX flawlessly _today_ , but it seems to me that using the ODBC socket temporarily or using an MX license to run CF 5 in production until issues with MX can be resolved are reasonable interrim solutions. S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 You can buy a single server license to WebSphere for 7k. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who can afford to implement CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't looked at it recently, but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me that was well over 10x the cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that may include the cost of the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the software alone were terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the extra stuff... S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE application server implements everything that goes along with JDBC drivers like connection pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having JDBC problems with CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere and see if the problems go away. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
I don't know how you break out developer time in your costs, but I can imagine spending developer time on workarounds can get expensive fast. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) So you're advocating a minimum 140% increase in the cost of the server as a fix for their JDBC problems? I think there are better solutions -- I don't think any of them will result in applications which are not working on MX now working on MX flawlessly _today_ , but it seems to me that using the ODBC socket temporarily or using an MX license to run CF 5 in production until issues with MX can be resolved are reasonable interrim solutions. S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 You can buy a single server license to WebSphere for 7k. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who can afford to implement CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't looked at it recently, but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me that was well over 10x the cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that may include the cost of the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the software alone were terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the extra stuff... S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE application server implements everything that goes along with JDBC drivers like connection pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having JDBC problems with CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere and see if the problems go away. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
umm... I can reimplement CF 5 in about 15 minutes... How about you? I don't know how you break out developer time in your costs, but I can imagine spending developer time on workarounds can get expensive fast. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) So you're advocating a minimum 140% increase in the cost of the server as a fix for their JDBC problems? I think there are better solutions -- I don't think any of them will result in applications which are not working on MX now working on MX flawlessly _today_ , but it seems to me that using the ODBC socket temporarily or using an MX license to run CF 5 in production until issues with MX can be resolved are reasonable interrim solutions. S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 You can buy a single server license to WebSphere for 7k. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who can afford to implement CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't looked at it recently, but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me that was well over 10x the cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that may include the cost of the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the software alone were terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the extra stuff... S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE application server implements everything that goes along with JDBC drivers like connection pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having JDBC problems with CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere and see if the problems go away. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sideb ar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
Since my applications are based on CFMX it would take a lot longer than 15 minutes to reimplement them with CF 5. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) umm... I can reimplement CF 5 in about 15 minutes... How about you? I don't know how you break out developer time in your costs, but I can imagine spending developer time on workarounds can get expensive fast. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) So you're advocating a minimum 140% increase in the cost of the server as a fix for their JDBC problems? I think there are better solutions -- I don't think any of them will result in applications which are not working on MX now working on MX flawlessly _today_ , but it seems to me that using the ODBC socket temporarily or using an MX license to run CF 5 in production until issues with MX can be resolved are reasonable interrim solutions. S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 You can buy a single server license to WebSphere for 7k. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who can afford to implement CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't looked at it recently, but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me that was well over 10x the cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that may include the cost of the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the software alone were terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the extra stuff... S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE application server implements everything that goes along with JDBC drivers like connection pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having JDBC problems with CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere and see if the problems go away. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sideb ar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Isaac Certified Advanced
RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
Wasn't the original conversation about apps migrating from CF 5 and people having problems with the upgrade? ... If you have apps that started on CF MX then that's another story, but again, I'd say that if problems with MX are a major issue for you now ( i.e. they're costing you money you can't afford to lose ) then chances are you placed to strong an importance on the new technology too early after its initial public release... wagging finger / :) This may sound harsh, but I think if you can't afford the issues that come with being on the bleeding edge, you should wait and let people who can afford it weed out those issues. As with all things, let the buyer beware -- it's not the merchant's fault if you're not cautious in your development. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 Since my applications are based on CFMX it would take a lot longer than 15 minutes to reimplement them with CF 5. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) umm... I can reimplement CF 5 in about 15 minutes... How about you? I don't know how you break out developer time in your costs, but I can imagine spending developer time on workarounds can get expensive fast. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) So you're advocating a minimum 140% increase in the cost of the server as a fix for their JDBC problems? I think there are better solutions -- I don't think any of them will result in applications which are not working on MX now working on MX flawlessly _today_ , but it seems to me that using the ODBC socket temporarily or using an MX license to run CF 5 in production until issues with MX can be resolved are reasonable interrim solutions. S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 You can buy a single server license to WebSphere for 7k. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who can afford to implement CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't looked at it recently, but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me that was well over 10x the cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that may include the cost of the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the software alone were terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the extra stuff... S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE application server implements everything that goes along with JDBC drivers like connection pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having JDBC problems with CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere and see if the problems go away. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick
RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
Wasn't the original conversation about apps migrating from CF 5 and people having problems with the upgrade? ... If you have apps that started on CF MX then that's another story, but again, I'd say that if problems with MX are a major issue for you now ( i.e. they're costing you money you can't afford to lose ) then chances are you placed to strong an importance on the new technology too early after its initial public release... wagging finger / :) The conversation was simply about problems with JDBC and CFMX. Suggesting the use of CF 5 instead is wonderful, but it doesn't help anyone who is using the latest greatest platform from Macromedia. This may sound harsh, but I think if you can't afford the issues that come with being on the bleeding edge, you should wait and let people who can afford it weed out those issues. As with all things, let the buyer beware -- it's not the merchant's fault if you're not cautious in your development. That is such utter bullshit. CFMX is not the bleeding edge; it is currently the recommended platform for CFML. Macromedia has done everything short of stopping the supply of CF 5 at this point trying to get people on CFMX. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
Actually, they have stopped the supply of CF5. If you don't have CF5 already, then your SOL if you want it. Some resellers may still have copies, but other posts I've seen indicate people have a hard time finding it. Of courses, most commercial hosts still are using CF5, so if you can use a hosted server then you're ok. Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:32:30 -0400 From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) Message-ID: 00b301c26ffc$e622fe90$6401a8c0@FREEWILL (snip) That is such utter bullshit. CFMX is not the bleeding edge; it is currently the recommended platform for CFML. Macromedia has done everything short of stopping the supply of CF 5 at this point trying to get people on CFMX. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
CF 5 is available from our online store: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/faq/general/#p800 -Vern -Original Message- From: Samuel Neff To: CF-Talk Sent: 10/9/2002 7:19 PM Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re:LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) Actually, they have stopped the supply of CF5. If you don't have CF5 already, then your SOL if you want it. Some resellers may still have copies, but other posts I've seen indicate people have a hard time finding it. Of courses, most commercial hosts still are using CF5, so if you can use a hosted server then you're ok. Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:32:30 -0400 From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) Message-ID: 00b301c26ffc$e622fe90$6401a8c0@FREEWILL (snip) That is such utter bullshit. CFMX is not the bleeding edge; it is currently the recommended platform for CFML. Macromedia has done everything short of stopping the supply of CF 5 at this point trying to get people on CFMX. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
Vern, Thanks for correcting me. I've seen so many posts from people asking where to buy it and from others saying it wasn't available. Guess I never thought to check myself. My bad. Sam Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:34:05 -0400 From: Vernon Viehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CF 5 is available from our online store: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/faq/general/#p 800 -Vern ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Examples of configuration (to some degree): - The multiple SQL statements issue is a data source setup issue (use ODBC Socket instead of Microsoft SQL Driver or whatever it's called). It just happened to work with a particular CF5 driver but it wasn't intentional (despite Ben's 'hints tips'). Change configuration and it solves the problem. Bear in mind also that the JDBC drivers are *third-party*, not Macromedia-developed. I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. S ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
