Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
I'm glad your experience has been different than the rest of ours, but as a word of warning: DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH FOR BETTER COMMENTING OF CODE. This was one of my very first complaints on the software the first time I used it something like 6 or 7 (??) years ago. I think it's fairly safe to say that if it's an issue 6 years later, it's going to be an issue for the foreseeable future. --Ferg George Jaros wrote: >Josh, > >I've read all the bad reviews of AbleCommerce and have to suggest you check >out the AbleCommerce forms for some positive reviews: >http://forums.topsites.com > >Personally I've only worked with AbleComemrce 3.x (breifly) and 5.5 CFMX - >extensively. The latest version is a HUGE improvement over previous versions. > While it is true that much of the back-end code is contained in Java objects, >I've found that this has actually helped the development process. The store >is designed in ColdFusion mainly for display, design, and some functionality. >Most of the database integration is done through the Java objects. > >Regarding scalability: I've developed about 2 dozen (maybe a few more) sites >using AbleCommerce 5.5 and have been very impressed with the ability to >customize AbleCommerce to work with just about any situation I've come across. > My company (Web 2 Market) has integrated AbleCommerce with a variety of third >party applications (Mail Order Manager, AccPac, Great Plains, etc.) and also >created a variety of plugins and enhancements, including a Call Center >Application, Reviews Module, and more (See http://www.web2market.com for mor >information). > >Regarding stability: AC 5.5 CFMX has greatly improved in stability, >reliability, and speed. With the latest release we've had very few stability >issues related to AbleCommerce. We currently have AbleCommerce sites running >on both dedicated servers and shared servers. One of our shared servers has >about 18 live sites running on it without problems. > >Regarding coding: Admittedly, this is an area that could be improved a bit. >The coding in the source pages is not very clean and not very well commented, >however, I've had no great difficulty in figuring out what portions of the >pages perform what actions. Hopefully future releases will have improvements >in the documentation and commenting of the code (keep in mind that the public >release of AC 5.5 CFMX is only a few months old). > >I can't speak for other applications like CFWebstore (their site has an >impressive feature list and Mary Jo's posts here have been informative and >helpful), but I am pretty sure that you won't be disappointed with the latest >version of AbleCommerce. It is definitely a more mature application with the >release of 5.5. And the support and help in the AbleCommerce Community Forums >is outstanding. > >For more information about AbleCommerce and Web 2 Market (an official AC >Hosting and Development Partner) see the following sites: > >http://www.web2market.com >http://forums.topsites.com >http://www.ablecommerce.com > > > >>Hello All, >> >>I'm wondering if anyone has experience working with the AbleCommerce >>shopping cart, specifically the CFMX version (they also offer JSP/ASP >>versions). Any rants, raves, installation/usage issues? >> >>I would rather use CFWebstore, but my boss saw that AbleCommerce syncs up >>with a module (StoneEdge Order Manager) that he likes on our current >>shopping cart. We have been battling back and forth over using CF on our >>next store (I want to, he doesn't), so AbleCommerce may be a way for us to >>meet in the middle. Any info is appreciated, as I had never heard of >>AbleCommerce before, let alone worked with it. >> >>-- Josh Nathanson >> >> > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230097 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
Josh, I've read all the bad reviews of AbleCommerce and have to suggest you check out the AbleCommerce forms for some positive reviews: http://forums.topsites.com Personally I've only worked with AbleComemrce 3.x (breifly) and 5.5 CFMX - extensively. The latest version is a HUGE improvement over previous versions. While it is true that much of the back-end code is contained in Java objects, I've found that this has actually helped the development process. The store is designed in ColdFusion mainly for display, design, and some functionality. Most of the database integration is done through the Java objects. Regarding scalability: I've developed about 2 dozen (maybe a few more) sites using AbleCommerce 5.5 and have been very impressed with the ability to customize AbleCommerce to work with just about any situation I've come across. My company (Web 2 Market) has integrated AbleCommerce with a variety of third party applications (Mail Order Manager, AccPac, Great Plains, etc.) and also created a variety of plugins and enhancements, including a Call Center Application, Reviews Module, and more (See http://www.web2market.com for mor information). Regarding stability: AC 5.5 CFMX has greatly improved in stability, reliability, and speed. With the latest release we've had very few stability issues related to AbleCommerce. We currently have AbleCommerce sites running on both dedicated servers and shared servers. One of our shared servers has about 18 live sites running on it without problems. Regarding coding: Admittedly, this is an area that could be improved a bit. The coding in the source pages is not very clean and not very well commented, however, I've had no great difficulty in figuring out what portions of the pages perform what actions. Hopefully future releases will have improvements in the documentation and commenting of the code (keep in mind that the public release of AC 5.5 CFMX is only a few months old). I can't speak for other applications like CFWebstore (their site has an impressive feature list and Mary Jo's posts here have been informative and helpful), but I am pretty sure that you won't be disappointed with the latest version of AbleCommerce. It is definitely a more mature application with the release of 5.5. And the support and help in the AbleCommerce Community Forums is outstanding. For more information about AbleCommerce and Web 2 Market (an official AC Hosting and Development Partner) see the following sites: http://www.web2market.com http://forums.topsites.com http://www.ablecommerce.com >Hello All, > >I'm wondering if anyone has experience working with the AbleCommerce >shopping cart, specifically the CFMX version (they also offer JSP/ASP >versions). Any rants, raves, installation/usage issues? > >I would rather use CFWebstore, but my boss saw that AbleCommerce syncs up >with a module (StoneEdge Order Manager) that he likes on our current >shopping cart. We have been battling back and forth over using CF on our >next store (I want to, he doesn't), so AbleCommerce may be a way for us to >meet in the middle. Any info is appreciated, as I had never heard of >AbleCommerce before, let alone worked with it. > >-- Josh Nathanson ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230073 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
AbleCommerce itself was what forced us to create our OWN ecommerce engine. The AbleCommerce code was messy and terrible. We had to keep fixing it. Then we were encouraged to purchase a support contract JUST TO REPORT BUGS. That was the last straw. We had some key features we needed that were promised "in the next release" and when the next release came, the features were not there. Then they (Able) began to close up the source code. So they lost their last good saving grace in our opinion when they did that. But our decision had been made at that point to leave Able. We were about to lose a huge client because of the lack of current shipping features in Able. This was about three years ago, and now we have a 100% fusebox commerce engine that uses UPS gateways, integrates with outside shipping systems (like MOM), many payment gateways, etc. and we are constantly developing it. This is not meant to be an advertisement, just a cautionary tale. Building a complete commerce engine is a huge endeavor. You would do better to use something else and make it work with an outside shipment manager than to get stuck with Able. Then there are all the usability/skinning/etc. issues that we could talk about for hours. -- John McKown President/CEO Delaware.Net, Inc. Toll-Free: 888-432-7965 ICQ: 1812513 We host Fusebox.org, and we build all of our applications in ColdFusion and Fusebox including our Store-Logic Ecommerce engine and our Team-Logic CRM platform. Josh Nathanson wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm wondering if anyone has experience working with the AbleCommerce > shopping cart, specifically the CFMX version (they also offer JSP/ASP > versions). Any rants, raves, installation/usage issues? > > I would rather use CFWebstore, but my boss saw that AbleCommerce syncs up > with a module (StoneEdge Order Manager) that he likes on our current > shopping cart. We have been battling back and forth over using CF on our > next store (I want to, he doesn't), so AbleCommerce may be a way for us to > meet in the middle. Any info is appreciated, as I had never heard of > AbleCommerce before, let alone worked with it. > > -- Josh Nathanson > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229804 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
+1 and +1 to the other posts as well. Albecom was complete spaghetti code prior to the mx version. It was the result of 4 versional upgrades by a team and no rewrites. Modifying it is a mess and its a complete pain to rip out chunks and replace them, simple projects got extended do to these things. Then like I said the MX version is pretty much the classic Coldfusion for UI java for the rest. I you know Java and are comfortable with OOP its not a horrid mess to upgrade/modify, its a lot better than it used to be. If you want a REAL cf shoppingcart though AbleCom MX is not the right product. I believe AbleCom offers a developer license or something to evaluate it and what not, evaluate it and have a look see, its not much CF... Adam On 1/16/06, Mark A Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've used CFMX Able commerce... Here are a couple of notes..keep in mind > this knowledge is about 20 months old :) > > > 1) I'ts pointedly NOT a coldfusion application. By that I mean it takes > no > advantage of anything specifically coldfusion'ish. The ap functions as a > Java servlet with calls to and from the CF page. All the database > interaction is controlled by the servlet and you have access to none of > it. > In fact, if you want to do something simple like add a field to a table > you > will find yourself working around this issue. Each request is passed to > the > servlet with the results returned from the servlet. > > > 2) Get used to array holder syntax - ACB for CFMX doesn't use query > objects > very much. Instead, the servlet loads Java Object 1 (a query pulled from a > database) Into Java object 2 (an array holder build for this query). Then > it loops through it with traditional Java counter syntax. > > 3) Because you are not involved in the database code you can't fine tune > it. > a store of ours had about 12 top categories and one of those had 40 or > more > subcategories with a total of 11000 items for sale. The system called the > entire data set (all 11000 items) when accessing every page from the top > down. Then it looped through filtering out items that weren't in the > category - no caching, no "smarter" queries pulling limited subsets of > data just a big honkin query pulling the entire category with each > query. Needless to say we did not find this scalable. > > 4) Making changes to the display is problematic. Since all the "data > stuff" > is wrapped up in the servelt you would think there was a logical > separation - but the ACB engine uses custom templates that are controlled > by > the database and written to file. That means if you create a custom > template > you better figure out how to store it in the database or admin users who > do > something simple - like add a new link - will overwrite all your hard > work. > > 5) It's also overpriced for the feature set and the usuablility. > > In my view ACB hired a Java programmer to "pretend" to create a CFMX ap. > There are no CFCs, no caching, no cf queries, no query driven outputs, no > custom tags nothing really "CF" about it. It could just as easily be > JSP > and it would suffer from no further usability issues. CF is just a > "wrapper > class" around the servlet. > > If you are going to use it "out of the box" as is - go for it. If you > plan > to make any customizations (if I can borrow a line from Monty Python > here...) run away. > > You would spend less to just pay Mary Jo to add the feature you want. > > -Mark > > > -Original Message- > From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:23 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version? > > > >I would rather use CFWebstore, but my boss saw that AbleCommerce syncs up > >with a module (StoneEdge Order Manager) that he likes on our current > >shopping cart. > > Well, I can't speak much about AbleCommerce (being a competitor, it > wouldn't > have much value anyway). You are certainly welcome to ask on my CFWebstore > email list as I do have a number of users that have previously used AC and > would probably be willing to give an opinion and compare the 2 products as > well. But one thing you might also want to consider is if it would be > possible to integrate this product with CFWebstore as well. Generally it's > just a matter of writing an XML export of the order details, not a real > difficult thing to do, and something I could probably assist with if need > be. The difference in cost for the two products alone might cover it. > > I usually tell people not to get too hung up on a single feature when >
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
On 1/16/06, Mary Jo Sminkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I notice that Tumi.com (they're an up and coming luxury luggage maker) is > >using some kind of Fusebox app, anyone know exactly what store they're > >using, or is it built internally? > > Hhm, that's certainly not a typical Fusebox application, and not any software > that I've run across. Looks home-grown to me. You could always email them and > see if they'd tell you for sure. Judging by both the industry and what the URL's look like, most likely that site is done at ebags.com. Actually I would say with a high degree of certainty that it's an ebags site after doing a dig of both URL's: ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.tumi.com. 3600IN A 66.179.113.186 ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.ebags.com. 3600IN A 66.179.113.187 FWIW, - Brandon -- http://devnulled.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229752 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
>I'm sure Mary Jo can add a special seal or something that says "enterprise >version" and sell it for 3 grand - right Mary Jo? Yup, I could certainly do that as well! Mary Jo Sminkey Author of CFWebstore, ColdFusion E-commerce software http://www.cfwebstore.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229749 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
>He's not entirely unreasonable so I think if he sees one or two quotes from >this list, he would realize that it would be a bad move to go with AC. I assume this is in response to my comment about not pressuring a boss into a decision. Actually I was referring more to his dislike for ColdFusion, than the specific products in question. I guess it does depend on how much you really want to stick with ColdFusion. Hopefully you have a good feel for how much to push and when to let well enough alone. ;-) >As far as CFWebstore: I will need to approach with caution. I've already >mentioned it to him, and his main beef is that he doesn't see any "big >stores" using CFWebstore -- also because it's so inexpensive, to him that >means it must not be good. LOL, well yes, I definitely market more towards small-medium sites. The sample stores list on my website (under Demo) has most of my bigger, more popular sites, but they aren't exactly household names. Techronics for instance has tons of products and lots of traffic, but it's not Buy.com. Home Bistro is a fairly well-known mail order gourmet site (I knew of them before they even used my software) but they aren't quite as well known as some other places like Harry & David. Bridge Kitchenware is a very well known store with professional cooks that is running my software as well, but they haven't gotten their site updated and redesigned yet, so I don't have it listed right now. And sites like Clean Run and DogGoneGood are only well known to those of us that are into dog training! And yes, I've been told more than once that my software could be priced higher. But frankly, I think most ecommerce software is over-priced, and I like being able to offer something for the smaller stores and merchants that can't afford what some of the "name-brand" software are charging. I might not be able to offer things like 24/7 phone support as a result, but most of my customers don't complain...they don't mind waiting a little longer to get someone that knows what they are talking about versus some off-shore tech support that's useless anyway. ;-) >I notice that Tumi.com (they're an up and coming luxury luggage maker) is >using some kind of Fusebox app, anyone know exactly what store they're >using, or is it built internally? Hhm, that's certainly not a typical Fusebox application, and not any software that I've run across. Looks home-grown to me. You could always email them and see if they'd tell you for sure. Mary Jo Sminkey Author of CFWebstore, ColdFusion E-commerce software http://www.cfwebstore.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229748 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
Josh, I'm sure Mary Jo can add a special seal or something that says "enterprise version" and sell it for 3 grand - right Mary Jo? -Mark -Original Message- From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version? Mary Jo, thanks for the heads up. I haven't said anything to my boss about the negative feedback on AC yet. I don't think he was hell bent on AC, so I may say something like "the feedback was less than positive" and see where it goes. If he presses for it more, I'll drop a quote or two from the list. He's not entirely unreasonable so I think if he sees one or two quotes from this list, he would realize that it would be a bad move to go with AC. But I won't hit him with the "testimonials" right away. As far as CFWebstore: I will need to approach with caution. I've already mentioned it to him, and his main beef is that he doesn't see any "big stores" using CFWebstore -- also because it's so inexpensive, to him that means it must not be good. Maybe if you could let me know some of your bigger users I could pass it along. However if it's not Walmart or Nike I don't think he'll be impressed. ;-) I notice that Tumi.com (they're an up and coming luxury luggage maker) is using some kind of Fusebox app, anyone know exactly what store they're using, or is it built internally? -- Josh - Original Message - From: "Mary Jo Sminkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version? > Well, it's been interesting to hear everyone's comments. It was my > experience with AC many years ago for my first ecommerce client that was > the incentive to initially write CFWebstore. ;-) > > Josh, not that I don't want the sale, but I personally would be careful > about pushing a boss into making a decision he really doesn't agree with. > Very often, they can really make it tough on you when things don't go 100% > the way they want them to (and as they seldom do!) > > Feel free to contact me though if you want more information on what would > be involved in doing an import for Stone Edge...or information on > alternative products that already work with CFWebstore. > > > Mary Jo Sminkey > Author of CFWebstore, ColdFusion E-commerce software > http://www.cfwebstore.com > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229742 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
Mary Jo, thanks for the heads up. I haven't said anything to my boss about the negative feedback on AC yet. I don't think he was hell bent on AC, so I may say something like "the feedback was less than positive" and see where it goes. If he presses for it more, I'll drop a quote or two from the list. He's not entirely unreasonable so I think if he sees one or two quotes from this list, he would realize that it would be a bad move to go with AC. But I won't hit him with the "testimonials" right away. As far as CFWebstore: I will need to approach with caution. I've already mentioned it to him, and his main beef is that he doesn't see any "big stores" using CFWebstore -- also because it's so inexpensive, to him that means it must not be good. Maybe if you could let me know some of your bigger users I could pass it along. However if it's not Walmart or Nike I don't think he'll be impressed. ;-) I notice that Tumi.com (they're an up and coming luxury luggage maker) is using some kind of Fusebox app, anyone know exactly what store they're using, or is it built internally? -- Josh - Original Message - From: "Mary Jo Sminkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version? > Well, it's been interesting to hear everyone's comments. It was my > experience with AC many years ago for my first ecommerce client that was > the incentive to initially write CFWebstore. ;-) > > Josh, not that I don't want the sale, but I personally would be careful > about pushing a boss into making a decision he really doesn't agree with. > Very often, they can really make it tough on you when things don't go 100% > the way they want them to (and as they seldom do!) > > Feel free to contact me though if you want more information on what would > be involved in doing an import for Stone Edge...or information on > alternative products that already work with CFWebstore. > > > Mary Jo Sminkey > Author of CFWebstore, ColdFusion E-commerce software > http://www.cfwebstore.com > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229741 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
Well, it's been interesting to hear everyone's comments. It was my experience with AC many years ago for my first ecommerce client that was the incentive to initially write CFWebstore. ;-) Josh, not that I don't want the sale, but I personally would be careful about pushing a boss into making a decision he really doesn't agree with. Very often, they can really make it tough on you when things don't go 100% the way they want them to (and as they seldom do!) Feel free to contact me though if you want more information on what would be involved in doing an import for Stone Edge...or information on alternative products that already work with CFWebstore. Mary Jo Sminkey Author of CFWebstore, ColdFusion E-commerce software http://www.cfwebstore.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229734 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
I had a look at ablecommerce once, and there is no way you will be able to set this on shared hosting unles sthe host already support it as you need to modify some of CF's XML files to setup servlet mappings. -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 January 2006 19:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version? >I would rather use CFWebstore, but my boss saw that AbleCommerce syncs >up with a module (StoneEdge Order Manager) that he likes on our current >shopping cart. Well, I can't speak much about AbleCommerce (being a competitor, it wouldn't have much value anyway). You are certainly welcome to ask on my CFWebstore email list as I do have a number of users that have previously used AC and would probably be willing to give an opinion and compare the 2 products as well. But one thing you might also want to consider is if it would be possible to integrate this product with CFWebstore as well. Generally it's just a matter of writing an XML export of the order details, not a real difficult thing to do, and something I could probably assist with if need be. The difference in cost for the two products alone might cover it. I usually tell people not to get too hung up on a single feature when evaluating shopping carts. So often you are going to have tweak and change any number of things, that unless something is a really major feature that will take a long time to code, you're better off looking for something that's going to have the best set of basic features that you need, and is easy to understand and modify so it won't be much hassle to get it to exactly what you want. Mary Jo Sminkey Author of CFWebstore, ColdFusion E-commerce software http://www.cfwebstore.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229714 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
I was working for a place that got it 6+ years ago. We actually never got it to get up and running consistently. I can not even remember the issues with it now days, but I never will forget my hatred of the product. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229706 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
>Glad to see someone had a similar experience with it as I did. > >On 1/16/06, Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I can echo you're experience, mine has been agonizing over the course of 5+years using Able. Interesting hearing from others. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229704 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
I wouldn't doubt it for a single second! You also learned with the versions I was working in that you could load a 2500 line file in CF Studio and only slow it down a little bit!!! I cringe to think back to working on that MESS. --Ferg Mark A Kruger wrote: >Ken, > >I daresay CF Webstore already rivals the ACB feature set for less than 10% >of the price. > >-mark > > >-Original Message- >From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:09 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version? > > >And this is likely still an improvement from when it was a real CF app, >at which point I had to work with it for just about the most painful >year of my life. It was complete spaghetti-code trash. It was so bad >that several years later I'm still honoring my promise to take every >opportunity I get to steer people clear of it. In my experience, it's >rare that software THAT POOR ever makes a real turn-around to become a >high-quality application. > >Granted, my experience with AC is about 5 years and several very major >versions old, but it left a lasting impression... Oh, and add to it all >the fact that the prices are completely out of this world for what they >offer. Even back when I was working with it, the bang to buck ratio is >so completely out of whack. >--Ferg > >Mark A Kruger wrote: > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229703 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
Glad to see someone had a similar experience with it as I did. On 1/16/06, Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And this is likely still an improvement from when it was a real CF app, > at which point I had to work with it for just about the most painful > year of my life. It was complete spaghetti-code trash. It was so bad > that several years later I'm still honoring my promise to take every > opportunity I get to steer people clear of it. In my experience, it's > rare that software THAT POOR ever makes a real turn-around to become a > high-quality application. > > Granted, my experience with AC is about 5 years and several very major > versions old, but it left a lasting impression... Oh, and add to it all > the fact that the prices are completely out of this world for what they > offer. Even back when I was working with it, the bang to buck ratio is > so completely out of whack. > --Ferg > > Mark A Kruger wrote: > > >I've used CFMX Able commerce... Here are a couple of notes..keep in mind > >this knowledge is about 20 months old :) > > > > > >1) I'ts pointedly NOT a coldfusion application. By that I mean it takes > no > >advantage of anything specifically coldfusion'ish. The ap functions as a > >Java servlet with calls to and from the CF page. All the database > >interaction is controlled by the servlet and you have access to none of > it. > >In fact, if you want to do something simple like add a field to a table > you > >will find yourself working around this issue. Each request is passed to > the > >servlet with the results returned from the servlet. > > > > > >2) Get used to array holder syntax - ACB for CFMX doesn't use query > objects > >very much. Instead, the servlet loads Java Object 1 (a query pulled from > a > >database) Into Java object 2 (an array holder build for this > query). Then > >it loops through it with traditional Java counter syntax. > > > >3) Because you are not involved in the database code you can't fine tune > it. > >a store of ours had about 12 top categories and one of those had 40 or > more > >subcategories with a total of 11000 items for sale. The system called > the > >entire data set (all 11000 items) when accessing every page from the top > >down. Then it looped through filtering out items that weren't in the > >category - no caching, no "smarter" queries pulling limited subsets of > >data just a big honkin query pulling the entire category with each > >query. Needless to say we did not find this scalable. > > > >4) Making changes to the display is problematic. Since all the "data > stuff" > >is wrapped up in the servelt you would think there was a logical > >separation - but the ACB engine uses custom templates that are controlled > by > >the database and written to file. That means if you create a custom > template > >you better figure out how to store it in the database or admin users who > do > >something simple - like add a new link - will overwrite all your hard > work. > > > >5) It's also overpriced for the feature set and the usuablility. > > > >In my view ACB hired a Java programmer to "pretend" to create a CFMX ap. > >There are no CFCs, no caching, no cf queries, no query driven outputs, > no > >custom tags nothing really "CF" about it. It could just as easily be > JSP > >and it would suffer from no further usability issues. CF is just a > "wrapper > >class" around the servlet. > > > >If you are going to use it "out of the box" as is - go for it. If you > plan > >to make any customizations (if I can borrow a line from Monty Python > >here...) run away. > > > >You would spend less to just pay Mary Jo to add the feature you want. > > > >-Mark > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229700 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
Ken, I daresay CF Webstore already rivals the ACB feature set for less than 10% of the price. -mark -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version? And this is likely still an improvement from when it was a real CF app, at which point I had to work with it for just about the most painful year of my life. It was complete spaghetti-code trash. It was so bad that several years later I'm still honoring my promise to take every opportunity I get to steer people clear of it. In my experience, it's rare that software THAT POOR ever makes a real turn-around to become a high-quality application. Granted, my experience with AC is about 5 years and several very major versions old, but it left a lasting impression... Oh, and add to it all the fact that the prices are completely out of this world for what they offer. Even back when I was working with it, the bang to buck ratio is so completely out of whack. --Ferg Mark A Kruger wrote: >I've used CFMX Able commerce... Here are a couple of notes..keep in mind >this knowledge is about 20 months old :) > > >1) I'ts pointedly NOT a coldfusion application. By that I mean it takes no >advantage of anything specifically coldfusion'ish. The ap functions as a >Java servlet with calls to and from the CF page. All the database >interaction is controlled by the servlet and you have access to none of it. >In fact, if you want to do something simple like add a field to a table you >will find yourself working around this issue. Each request is passed to the >servlet with the results returned from the servlet. > > >2) Get used to array holder syntax - ACB for CFMX doesn't use query objects >very much. Instead, the servlet loads Java Object 1 (a query pulled from a >database) Into Java object 2 (an array holder build for this query). Then >it loops through it with traditional Java counter syntax. > >3) Because you are not involved in the database code you can't fine tune it. >a store of ours had about 12 top categories and one of those had 40 or more >subcategories with a total of 11000 items for sale. The system called the >entire data set (all 11000 items) when accessing every page from the top >down. Then it looped through filtering out items that weren't in the >category - no caching, no "smarter" queries pulling limited subsets of >data just a big honkin query pulling the entire category with each >query. Needless to say we did not find this scalable. > >4) Making changes to the display is problematic. Since all the "data stuff" >is wrapped up in the servelt you would think there was a logical >separation - but the ACB engine uses custom templates that are controlled by >the database and written to file. That means if you create a custom template >you better figure out how to store it in the database or admin users who do >something simple - like add a new link - will overwrite all your hard work. > >5) It's also overpriced for the feature set and the usuablility. > >In my view ACB hired a Java programmer to "pretend" to create a CFMX ap. >There are no CFCs, no caching, no cf queries, no query driven outputs, no >custom tags nothing really "CF" about it. It could just as easily be JSP >and it would suffer from no further usability issues. CF is just a "wrapper >class" around the servlet. > >If you are going to use it "out of the box" as is - go for it. If you plan >to make any customizations (if I can borrow a line from Monty Python >here...) run away. > >You would spend less to just pay Mary Jo to add the feature you want. > >-Mark > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229699 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
hehe but you did learn all about cfinclude and cf mappings now didn't ya! -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version? And this is likely still an improvement from when it was a real CF app, at which point I had to work with it for just about the most painful year of my life. It was complete spaghetti-code trash. It was so bad that several years later I'm still honoring my promise to take every opportunity I get to steer people clear of it. In my experience, it's rare that software THAT POOR ever makes a real turn-around to become a high-quality application. Granted, my experience with AC is about 5 years and several very major versions old, but it left a lasting impression... Oh, and add to it all the fact that the prices are completely out of this world for what they offer. Even back when I was working with it, the bang to buck ratio is so completely out of whack. --Ferg Mark A Kruger wrote: >I've used CFMX Able commerce... Here are a couple of notes..keep in mind >this knowledge is about 20 months old :) > > >1) I'ts pointedly NOT a coldfusion application. By that I mean it takes no >advantage of anything specifically coldfusion'ish. The ap functions as a >Java servlet with calls to and from the CF page. All the database >interaction is controlled by the servlet and you have access to none of it. >In fact, if you want to do something simple like add a field to a table you >will find yourself working around this issue. Each request is passed to the >servlet with the results returned from the servlet. > > >2) Get used to array holder syntax - ACB for CFMX doesn't use query objects >very much. Instead, the servlet loads Java Object 1 (a query pulled from a >database) Into Java object 2 (an array holder build for this query). Then >it loops through it with traditional Java counter syntax. > >3) Because you are not involved in the database code you can't fine tune it. >a store of ours had about 12 top categories and one of those had 40 or more >subcategories with a total of 11000 items for sale. The system called the >entire data set (all 11000 items) when accessing every page from the top >down. Then it looped through filtering out items that weren't in the >category - no caching, no "smarter" queries pulling limited subsets of >data just a big honkin query pulling the entire category with each >query. Needless to say we did not find this scalable. > >4) Making changes to the display is problematic. Since all the "data stuff" >is wrapped up in the servelt you would think there was a logical >separation - but the ACB engine uses custom templates that are controlled by >the database and written to file. That means if you create a custom template >you better figure out how to store it in the database or admin users who do >something simple - like add a new link - will overwrite all your hard work. > >5) It's also overpriced for the feature set and the usuablility. > >In my view ACB hired a Java programmer to "pretend" to create a CFMX ap. >There are no CFCs, no caching, no cf queries, no query driven outputs, no >custom tags nothing really "CF" about it. It could just as easily be JSP >and it would suffer from no further usability issues. CF is just a "wrapper >class" around the servlet. > >If you are going to use it "out of the box" as is - go for it. If you plan >to make any customizations (if I can borrow a line from Monty Python >here...) run away. > >You would spend less to just pay Mary Jo to add the feature you want. > >-Mark > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229698 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
And this is likely still an improvement from when it was a real CF app, at which point I had to work with it for just about the most painful year of my life. It was complete spaghetti-code trash. It was so bad that several years later I'm still honoring my promise to take every opportunity I get to steer people clear of it. In my experience, it's rare that software THAT POOR ever makes a real turn-around to become a high-quality application. Granted, my experience with AC is about 5 years and several very major versions old, but it left a lasting impression... Oh, and add to it all the fact that the prices are completely out of this world for what they offer. Even back when I was working with it, the bang to buck ratio is so completely out of whack. --Ferg Mark A Kruger wrote: >I've used CFMX Able commerce... Here are a couple of notes..keep in mind >this knowledge is about 20 months old :) > > >1) I'ts pointedly NOT a coldfusion application. By that I mean it takes no >advantage of anything specifically coldfusion'ish. The ap functions as a >Java servlet with calls to and from the CF page. All the database >interaction is controlled by the servlet and you have access to none of it. >In fact, if you want to do something simple like add a field to a table you >will find yourself working around this issue. Each request is passed to the >servlet with the results returned from the servlet. > > >2) Get used to array holder syntax - ACB for CFMX doesn't use query objects >very much. Instead, the servlet loads Java Object 1 (a query pulled from a >database) Into Java object 2 (an array holder build for this query). Then >it loops through it with traditional Java counter syntax. > >3) Because you are not involved in the database code you can't fine tune it. >a store of ours had about 12 top categories and one of those had 40 or more >subcategories with a total of 11000 items for sale. The system called the >entire data set (all 11000 items) when accessing every page from the top >down. Then it looped through filtering out items that weren't in the >category - no caching, no "smarter" queries pulling limited subsets of >data just a big honkin query pulling the entire category with each >query. Needless to say we did not find this scalable. > >4) Making changes to the display is problematic. Since all the "data stuff" >is wrapped up in the servelt you would think there was a logical >separation - but the ACB engine uses custom templates that are controlled by >the database and written to file. That means if you create a custom template >you better figure out how to store it in the database or admin users who do >something simple - like add a new link - will overwrite all your hard work. > >5) It's also overpriced for the feature set and the usuablility. > >In my view ACB hired a Java programmer to "pretend" to create a CFMX ap. >There are no CFCs, no caching, no cf queries, no query driven outputs, no >custom tags nothing really "CF" about it. It could just as easily be JSP >and it would suffer from no further usability issues. CF is just a "wrapper >class" around the servlet. > >If you are going to use it "out of the box" as is - go for it. If you plan >to make any customizations (if I can borrow a line from Monty Python >here...) run away. > >You would spend less to just pay Mary Jo to add the feature you want. > >-Mark > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229697 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
Mary Jo, thanks for that. If it were up to me I would choose CFWebstore in a heartbeat. Unfortunately it's my boss who makes the final decision, and he isn't easy to convince. I'll keep you posted. -- Josh Nathanson One thing that makes a big difference to him is the - Original Message - From: "Mary Jo Sminkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version? > >I would rather use CFWebstore, but my boss saw that AbleCommerce syncs up >>with a module (StoneEdge Order Manager) that he likes on our current >>shopping cart. > > Well, I can't speak much about AbleCommerce (being a competitor, it > wouldn't have much value anyway). You are certainly welcome to ask on my > CFWebstore email list as I do have a number of users that have previously > used AC and would probably be willing to give an opinion and compare the 2 > products as well. But one thing you might also want to consider is if it > would be possible to integrate this product with CFWebstore as well. > Generally it's just a matter of writing an XML export of the order > details, not a real difficult thing to do, and something I could probably > assist with if need be. The difference in cost for the two products alone > might cover it. > > I usually tell people not to get too hung up on a single feature when > evaluating shopping carts. So often you are going to have tweak and change > any number of things, that unless something is a really major feature that > will take a long time to code, you're better off looking for something > that's going to have the best set of basic features that you need, and is > easy to understand and modify so it won't be much hassle to get it to > exactly what you want. > > > > Mary Jo Sminkey > Author of CFWebstore, ColdFusion E-commerce software > http://www.cfwebstore.com > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229696 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
I've used CFMX Able commerce... Here are a couple of notes..keep in mind this knowledge is about 20 months old :) 1) I'ts pointedly NOT a coldfusion application. By that I mean it takes no advantage of anything specifically coldfusion'ish. The ap functions as a Java servlet with calls to and from the CF page. All the database interaction is controlled by the servlet and you have access to none of it. In fact, if you want to do something simple like add a field to a table you will find yourself working around this issue. Each request is passed to the servlet with the results returned from the servlet. 2) Get used to array holder syntax - ACB for CFMX doesn't use query objects very much. Instead, the servlet loads Java Object 1 (a query pulled from a database) Into Java object 2 (an array holder build for this query). Then it loops through it with traditional Java counter syntax. 3) Because you are not involved in the database code you can't fine tune it. a store of ours had about 12 top categories and one of those had 40 or more subcategories with a total of 11000 items for sale. The system called the entire data set (all 11000 items) when accessing every page from the top down. Then it looped through filtering out items that weren't in the category - no caching, no "smarter" queries pulling limited subsets of data just a big honkin query pulling the entire category with each query. Needless to say we did not find this scalable. 4) Making changes to the display is problematic. Since all the "data stuff" is wrapped up in the servelt you would think there was a logical separation - but the ACB engine uses custom templates that are controlled by the database and written to file. That means if you create a custom template you better figure out how to store it in the database or admin users who do something simple - like add a new link - will overwrite all your hard work. 5) It's also overpriced for the feature set and the usuablility. In my view ACB hired a Java programmer to "pretend" to create a CFMX ap. There are no CFCs, no caching, no cf queries, no query driven outputs, no custom tags nothing really "CF" about it. It could just as easily be JSP and it would suffer from no further usability issues. CF is just a "wrapper class" around the servlet. If you are going to use it "out of the box" as is - go for it. If you plan to make any customizations (if I can borrow a line from Monty Python here...) run away. You would spend less to just pay Mary Jo to add the feature you want. -Mark -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version? >I would rather use CFWebstore, but my boss saw that AbleCommerce syncs up >with a module (StoneEdge Order Manager) that he likes on our current >shopping cart. Well, I can't speak much about AbleCommerce (being a competitor, it wouldn't have much value anyway). You are certainly welcome to ask on my CFWebstore email list as I do have a number of users that have previously used AC and would probably be willing to give an opinion and compare the 2 products as well. But one thing you might also want to consider is if it would be possible to integrate this product with CFWebstore as well. Generally it's just a matter of writing an XML export of the order details, not a real difficult thing to do, and something I could probably assist with if need be. The difference in cost for the two products alone might cover it. I usually tell people not to get too hung up on a single feature when evaluating shopping carts. So often you are going to have tweak and change any number of things, that unless something is a really major feature that will take a long time to code, you're better off looking for something that's going to have the best set of basic features that you need, and is easy to understand and modify so it won't be much hassle to get it to exactly what you want. Mary Jo Sminkey Author of CFWebstore, ColdFusion E-commerce software http://www.cfwebstore.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229695 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
>I would rather use CFWebstore, but my boss saw that AbleCommerce syncs up >with a module (StoneEdge Order Manager) that he likes on our current >shopping cart. Well, I can't speak much about AbleCommerce (being a competitor, it wouldn't have much value anyway). You are certainly welcome to ask on my CFWebstore email list as I do have a number of users that have previously used AC and would probably be willing to give an opinion and compare the 2 products as well. But one thing you might also want to consider is if it would be possible to integrate this product with CFWebstore as well. Generally it's just a matter of writing an XML export of the order details, not a real difficult thing to do, and something I could probably assist with if need be. The difference in cost for the two products alone might cover it. I usually tell people not to get too hung up on a single feature when evaluating shopping carts. So often you are going to have tweak and change any number of things, that unless something is a really major feature that will take a long time to code, you're better off looking for something that's going to have the best set of basic features that you need, and is easy to understand and modify so it won't be much hassle to get it to exactly what you want. Mary Jo Sminkey Author of CFWebstore, ColdFusion E-commerce software http://www.cfwebstore.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229694 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
Older versions we really messy. I was fairly suprised by Ablecom MX. Unless they have changed it in the last year or so though you better know java. Ablecom MX that I was testing out was very much the CF of UI business logic in classes. Very nice but if you want to mode it the core functionality is (or was) in java classes. Adam On 1/16/06, Josh Nathanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello All, > > I'm wondering if anyone has experience working with the AbleCommerce > shopping cart, specifically the CFMX version (they also offer JSP/ASP > versions). Any rants, raves, installation/usage issues? > > I would rather use CFWebstore, but my boss saw that AbleCommerce syncs up > with a module (StoneEdge Order Manager) that he likes on our current > shopping cart. We have been battling back and forth over using CF on our > next store (I want to, he doesn't), so AbleCommerce may be a way for us to > meet in the middle. Any info is appreciated, as I had never heard of > AbleCommerce before, let alone worked with it. > > -- Josh Nathanson > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229682 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Anyone use AbleCommerce, CFMX version?
Hello All, I'm wondering if anyone has experience working with the AbleCommerce shopping cart, specifically the CFMX version (they also offer JSP/ASP versions). Any rants, raves, installation/usage issues? I would rather use CFWebstore, but my boss saw that AbleCommerce syncs up with a module (StoneEdge Order Manager) that he likes on our current shopping cart. We have been battling back and forth over using CF on our next store (I want to, he doesn't), so AbleCommerce may be a way for us to meet in the middle. Any info is appreciated, as I had never heard of AbleCommerce before, let alone worked with it. -- Josh Nathanson ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229677 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
