Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
drunk coders type like me, hu From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:49 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever whoo hoo!!! now you got the bug :) HEll, I'm dowloadin thus sumbitch now! Woo! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:19 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would correlate with the tutorial. And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. but no clue given about including .. WHERE? This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional. Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of flash? There are so many differences between one version and another - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well this beginner anyway). I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest most elementary flash things to work. Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for flashMX2004Professional 7.2? Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state what versions of things they're writing with? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195356 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
I don't blame you for feeling the way you do about Flash Remoting. I learnt it in Flash MX and have done it in 2004 Pro but it's not one of the most intuitive things I've ever done. What Flash IDE are you using? -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 February 2005 12:35 To: CF-Talk Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would correlate with the tutorial. And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. but no clue given about including .. WHERE? This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional. Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of flash? There are so many differences between one version and another - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well this beginner anyway). I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest most elementary flash things to work. Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for flashMX2004Professional 7.2? Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state what versions of things they're writing with? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195357 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
I'm using the one that comes from Macromedia. Is there another? The about flash says it's FlashMXProfessional 2004 v 7.2 Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:42:44 -, Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't blame you for feeling the way you do about Flash Remoting. I learnt it in Flash MX and have done it in 2004 Pro but it's not one of the most intuitive things I've ever done. What Flash IDE are you using? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195358 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Amen. From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would correlate with the tutorial. And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. but no clue given about including .. WHERE? This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional. Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of flash? There are so many differences between one version and another - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well this beginner anyway). I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest most elementary flash things to work. Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for flashMX2004Professional 7.2? Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state what versions of things they're writing with? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195375 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Eric, Take heart - we do a lot of this and once you get your head around it it's not so hard. My approach has been to design a form or data display in flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding everything in actionscript. From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie. I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the process When I'm satisfied I turn the whole thing over to a flash guru and have him add animation and widgets etc. It's figuring out how to get rid of all the helpful panels and visual aids that is the hard part :) As for your include remoting files you need the following commands #include netservices.as and #include netdebug.as (that's from memory - so sombody correct me if I get the file names wrong). If you installed the remoting components for flash from devnet they will already be in the includes folder for you so you don't need to worry about not find them. Put them at the top of the action pane for the first frame. -Mark -Original Message- From: Eric Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Amen. From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would correlate with the tutorial. And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. but no clue given about including .. WHERE? This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional. Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of flash? There are so many differences between one version and another - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well this beginner anyway). I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest most elementary flash things to work. Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for flashMX2004Professional 7.2? Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state what versions of things they're writing with? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195382 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding everything in actionscript. From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie. I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the process I'm going to guess that it's help like this (no offence Mark...you're a helpful guy) that is hurting poor Eric ;-) I've played with remoting a fiar amount (on and off)...and I've honestly never had that epiphany oh...that's the big picture...of course!! In the above helpful paragraph I'd say: -What's the #include blah.as command (OK so I do know that one...but a newb would need to understand that the command is used in Flash in ActionScript) -Help files integrated into the help tree (cool...but from where) -NetConnectionDebugger and Trace() (newbie says what??) (again...I've had some experience with them...but you get the point)...These are tools/utilities built into Flash that you can use to see what's going on under the hoodto use them you...blah blah blah (explain where to find and how to use these tools). I fee yer pain Eric (especially because I have to dive back into this stuff to be up to date on my Flash to give a CF7 and Flash preso to a bunch of Java and .NET developers next month) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Mark A Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Eric, Take heart - we do a lot of this and once you get your head around it it's not so hard. My approach has been to design a form or data display in flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding everything in actionscript. From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie. I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the process When I'm satisfied I turn the whole thing over to a flash guru and have him add animation and widgets etc. It's figuring out how to get rid of all the helpful panels and visual aids that is the hard part :) As for your include remoting files you need the following commands #include netservices.as and #include netdebug.as (that's from memory - so sombody correct me if I get the file names wrong). If you installed the remoting components for flash from devnet they will already be in the includes folder for you so you don't need to worry about not find them. Put them at the top of the action pane for the first frame. -Mark -Original Message- From: Eric Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Amen. From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would correlate with the tutorial. And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. but no clue given about including .. WHERE? This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional. Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of flash? There are so many differences between one version and another - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. I would strongly recommend the following books: Macromedia Flash MX Professional 2004 for Server Geeks, by Nate Weiss http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735713820/qid=1108742421/sr=2-1/ref= pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-3444380-8047209 Flash Remoting: The Definitive Guide, by Tom Muck http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/059600401X/ref=pd_sim_b_5/002- 3444380-8047209?%5Fencoding=UTF8v=glance The second book doesn't cover MX 2004 updates, but those are available from the book's companion site. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195385 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Yes, it does get very confusing very quickly. For the beginner, it's tough to tell where to begin even. For Flash MX there's the AS1 remoting components. For MX04 there are both AS1 and AS2 versions (and if you choose to work with the AS2 version, you have to download and install 2 different things). And we haven't even started using the stuff yet. So I hear ya Mike! So I see you're using MX04. I take it you're using CF 6.1 or CF 7? Which remoting components have you installed (if any)? chris __ Chris Kief Mindflood, Inc. www.mindflood.com 714.557.2488 x211 On 2/18/05 7:26 AM, Eric Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen. From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would correlate with the tutorial. And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. but no clue given about including .. WHERE? This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional. Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of flash? There are so many differences between one version and another - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well this beginner anyway). I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest most elementary flash things to work. Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for flashMX2004Professional 7.2? Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state what versions of things they're writing with? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195386 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Brian, you put your finger on the problem precisely. I cant count the number of times I've started off doing something in flash, only to be stymied about half way through, scratching my head and saying to myself ... 'yes, use that command .. but WHERE? or I dont have a menu like that .. so where else might it be? or 'i could find that here yesterday, now it isn't there? ( I assume that last case is because I had some other parameter different than last time I tried, but which parameter? no idea.) Then it gets all too hard and I still have a family and a life to lead, so I throw flash away for another 4 months until i get motivated to try again. I dont blame anyone in the flash community - they're almost all eager to help, but I think they're so close to the thing they have no idea that someone like me might be totally lost. Not even the examples in the FlashMX help files seem to be working for me. For example (and this is only one example of the multiple frustrations with dealing with flash) .. I installed the flashMX remoting components. I executed the install file FlashRemotingComponents-win-en.exe to be precise, and let it do whatever it wanted.But i can't find any file called netservices.as anywhere on my system. SO it's one thing to say include netservices.as' but where the *#%^% is the damn thing? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:03:08 -0800, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding everything in actionscript. From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie. I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the process I'm going to guess that it's help like this (no offence Mark...you're a helpful guy) that is hurting poor Eric ;-) I've played with remoting a fiar amount (on and off)...and I've honestly never had that epiphany oh...that's the big picture...of course!! In the above helpful paragraph I'd say: -What's the #include blah.as command (OK so I do know that one...but a newb would need to understand that the command is used in Flash in ActionScript) -Help files integrated into the help tree (cool...but from where) -NetConnectionDebugger and Trace() (newbie says what??) (again...I've had some experience with them...but you get the point)...These are tools/utilities built into Flash that you can use to see what's going on under the hoodto use them you...blah blah blah (explain where to find and how to use these tools). I fee yer pain Eric (especially because I have to dive back into this stuff to be up to date on my Flash to give a CF7 and Flash preso to a bunch of Java and .NET developers next month) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Mark A Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Eric, Take heart - we do a lot of this and once you get your head around it it's not so hard. My approach has been to design a form or data display in flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding everything in actionscript. From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie. I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the process When I'm satisfied I turn the whole thing over to a flash guru and have him add animation and widgets etc. It's figuring out how to get rid of all the helpful panels and visual aids that is the hard part :) As for your include remoting files you need the following commands #include netservices.as and #include netdebug.as (that's from memory - so sombody correct me if I get the file names wrong). If you installed the remoting components for flash from devnet they will already be in the includes folder for you so you don't need to worry about not find them. Put them at the top of the action pane for the first frame. -Mark -Original Message- From: Eric Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Amen. From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Mark A Kruger wrote: I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. The use cases for Flash Remoting are dubious at best. In all the times we've considered it, there has always been a better, HTML based alternative, especially when you consider development time and hassle, together with maintenance. The new Flash Forms in CFMX7 could prove to be useful, if not Flex itself. My $0.02. -- Alex ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195394 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:34:50 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, you put your finger on the problem precisely. I cant count the number of times I've started off doing something in flash, only to be stymied about half way through, scratching my head and saying to myself ... 'yes, use that command .. but WHERE? or I dont have a menu like that .. so where else might it be? or 'i could find that here yesterday, now it isn't there? ( I assume that last case is because I had some other parameter different than last time I tried, but which parameter? no idea.) Then it gets all too hard and I still have a family and a life to lead, so I throw flash away for another 4 months until i get motivated to try again. I dont blame anyone in the flash community - they're almost all eager to help, but I think they're so close to the thing they have no idea that someone like me might be totally lost. Not even the examples in the FlashMX help files seem to be working for me. For example (and this is only one example of the multiple frustrations with dealing with flash) .. I installed the flashMX remoting components. I executed the install file FlashRemotingComponents-win-en.exe to be precise, and let it do whatever it wanted.But i can't find any file called netservices.as anywhere on my system. SO it's one thing to say include netservices.as' but where the *#%^% is the damn thing? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:03:08 -0800, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: flash, then use the #include blah.as command, and start coding everything in actionscript. From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie. I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the process I'm going to guess that it's help like this (no offence Mark...you're a helpful guy) that is hurting poor Eric ;-) I've played with remoting a fiar amount (on and off)...and I've honestly never had that epiphany oh...that's the big picture...of course!! In the above helpful paragraph I'd say: -What's the #include blah.as command (OK so I do know that one...but a newb would need to understand that the command is used in Flash in ActionScript) -Help files integrated into the help tree (cool...but from where) -NetConnectionDebugger and Trace() (newbie says what??) (again...I've had some experience with them...but you get the point)...These are tools/utilities built into Flash that you can use to see what's going on under the hoodto use them you...blah blah blah (explain where to find and how to use these tools). I fee yer pain Eric (especially because I have to dive back into this stuff to be up to date on my Flash to give a CF7 and Flash preso to a bunch of Java and .NET developers next month) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195397 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Hey Mike, I've had the best help wit the various ChattyFig (from FigLeaf Software). They have a newbie list and some more advanced lists. Everyone on there was always helpfuland they tended to get really basic which was nice ;-) and sorry for confusing you with Eric ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195400 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I'll second that. You now have to sign up to look at the archives which were open to all a while ago. I've also not received any posts from Flashcoders since Tuesday, not sure what's up with that. The Flashnewbies list is great for so called simple questions. I've had some really good replies which helped get my head around Flash in general. I'm not sure who said it, but it is true that you finally get what's happening in Flash, remoting included. I'd disagree with Alex S on there always being a better way in HTML. Sometimes you need to get content into Flash and I'd go for remoting over LoadVars. XML has proved useful in the past and the webservices in the lastest Flash release has also shown to be useful. I guess it comes down to what's needed for the job. Ade -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 February 2005 16:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Hey Mike, I've had the best help wit the various ChattyFig (from FigLeaf Software). They have a newbie list and some more advanced lists. Everyone on there was always helpfuland they tended to get really basic which was nice ;-) .and sorry for confusing you with Eric ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195406 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Yep...one of my partners said the ChattyFig lists have been down for a couple of days :-( Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195408 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Yep...one of my partners said the ChattyFig lists have been down for a couple of days :-( Yes, unfortunately we've been having a few problems with that server since it was upgraded. We're looking into it. I apologize for any inconvenience. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195410 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Tom Muck's book is top notch. Flash remoting content aside, it was one of the best tech books I read last year. Also Fig Leaf's Advanced Actionscript course was excellent. -Adam On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:13:00 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. I would strongly recommend the following books: Macromedia Flash MX Professional 2004 for Server Geeks, by Nate Weiss http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735713820/qid=1108742421/sr=2-1/ref= pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-3444380-8047209 Flash Remoting: The Definitive Guide, by Tom Muck http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/059600401X/ref=pd_sim_b_5/002- 3444380-8047209?%5Fencoding=UTF8v=glance The second book doesn't cover MX 2004 updates, but those are available from the book's companion site. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195424 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Mike, A useful first tutorial to Flash Remoting is Ben Forta's article in CFDJ titled, Data Entry Reformed: http://www.sys-con.com/coldfusion/article.cfm?id=528 For something a little more advanced our CFUG had Craig Boyles, one of the developers at MetaSurge, show us how to create a basic add-edit-delete example using Flash remoting. http://www.coldfusion.org/downloads/MMCFUG_FlashWebService.zip It's still not easy or intuitive for a CF'er to use Flash but it is do-able. Rick Mason On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:35:13 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would correlate with the tutorial. And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. but no clue given about including .. WHERE? This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional. Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of flash? There are so many differences between one version and another - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well this beginner anyway). I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest most elementary flash things to work. Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for flashMX2004Professional 7.2? Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state what versions of things they're writing with? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195425 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Mike, It's really not as hard as you think! The chattyfig list really is more ppl using php with amfphp then actual MM remoting which is really different. Once you get it down, man its amazing what you can do! not to mention fast as hell! I agree with Dave Watts, get the book flash mx prfoessional 2004 for server geeks, friggin great book! I got my copy for free thru my local cfug, I just have to write a book report on it and send to publisher. communitymx.com has a few articles on it as well. I'd suggest the one i help Paul Newman do Case Study: Using the New Flash Remoting Classes the result can be seen here http://www.jamwerx.com/authors/authors.html pretty simple app, took me about 45 mintutes to do, then i gave it to paul and he switched the remoting classes to the newer version 2 ones. It's fairly simple, make a cfc that gets the cmx authors and populates a listbox and on click shows their info in a seperate clip and has an email systen via remoting and a cfc as well. Least will get you going. From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:40 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would correlate with the tutorial. And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. but no clue given about including .. WHERE? This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional. Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of flash? There are so many differences between one version and another - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well this beginner anyway). I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest most elementary flash things to work. Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for flashMX2004Professional 7.2? Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state what versions of things they're writing with? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195432 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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also the MM site has a few good tuts, you just gotta know where to find them http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/flash/data_integration.html or toms site http://www.flash-remoting.com From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:40 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to work. For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would correlate with the tutorial. And so it went on - The first thing we do is include the necessary links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting. but no clue given about including .. WHERE? This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional. Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of flash? There are so many differences between one version and another - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying include the necessary links is quite useless to a beginner (well this beginner anyway). I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest most elementary flash things to work. Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for flashMX2004Professional 7.2? Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state what versions of things they're writing with? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195434 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I feel your pain Mike. I like to buy books at the used bookstore but MM changes things enough with each version that what seems like it should be simple stuff becomes frustrating. -Kevin -Original Message- For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195452 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
while that might be true it also isn't. Flash remoting is a lot simpler to use then pulling in xml or a web service, well actually they all are easy to get into flash its after they are in where it confusing. With remoting its confusing because they have changed the way the classes interact but overall its easier just not too much readily available info out there yet. I would even start with just making the connection with the remoting component and then study the code it writes for you, really only takes about 30 seconds to use the component but its also limited too where you can use it. Also look in flash's help section there is a lot of info in there, there are also remoting examples in there as well. communitymx.com has a tut using the remoting component and tom much as a couple of other ones in there too. I'll try to get a copy of dennis' presentation from our cfug too but that was way over my head!! From: Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:54 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I feel your pain Mike. I like to buy books at the used bookstore but MM changes things enough with each version that what seems like it should be simple stuff becomes frustrating. -Kevin -Original Message- For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. From the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web it says. Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195459 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:02:23 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while that might be true it also isn't. and it's logic like that that causes the vein to bulge in my forehead. -- Charlie Griefer ...All the world shall be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195461 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
well sorrr charlie how would you like the logic to be? changes things enough with each version yup thats true but they also make it easier, so... next time i'll use conditional logic so that vein of yours dont burst ;) From: Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:02:23 -0500, dave wrote: while that might be true it also isn't. .and it's logic like that that causes the vein to bulge in my forehead. -- Charlie Griefer ...All the world shall be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195463 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Despite the thread title, I wasn't talking specifically about Remoting. I was just talking about the whole Flash thing. We do very few Flash projects so each time one comes our way it's like starting from scratch again. And that's just exacerbated by the changes from version to version. -Kevin -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever while that might be true it also isn't. Flash remoting is a lot simpler to use then pulling in xml or a web service, well actually they all are easy to get into flash its after they are in where it confusing. With remoting its confusing because they have changed the way the classes interact but overall its easier just not too much readily available info out there yet. I would even start with just making the connection with the remoting component and then study the code it writes for you, really only takes about 30 seconds to use the component but its also limited too where you can use it. Also look in flash's help section there is a lot of info in there, there are also remoting examples in there as well. communitymx.com has a tut using the remoting component and tom much as a couple of other ones in there too. I'll try to get a copy of dennis' presentation from our cfug too but that was way over my head!! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195465 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
I definately know!! And my answer (despite charlies bulging vein) is still the same. You get a book for it and it says one way but in reality it's already changed and it gets confusing no doubt. Really the best thing to do is just learn actionscript 2, really you don't even need to open up the flash ide at all and that part will be the same. The last 2 versions of flash were targeted more towards us as in coders, the next version will be aimed more back at the designers, so things shouldnt change too much more for awhile. From: Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:26 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Despite the thread title, I wasn't talking specifically about Remoting. I was just talking about the whole Flash thing. We do very few Flash projects so each time one comes our way it's like starting from scratch again. And that's just exacerbated by the changes from version to version. -Kevin -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever while that might be true it also isn't. Flash remoting is a lot simpler to use then pulling in xml or a web service, well actually they all are easy to get into flash its after they are in where it confusing. With remoting its confusing because they have changed the way the classes interact but overall its easier just not too much readily available info out there yet. I would even start with just making the connection with the remoting component and then study the code it writes for you, really only takes about 30 seconds to use the component but its also limited too where you can use it. Also look in flash's help section there is a lot of info in there, there are also remoting examples in there as well. communitymx.com has a tut using the remoting component and tom much as a couple of other ones in there too. I'll try to get a copy of dennis' presentation from our cfug too but that was way over my head!! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195467 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
I feel your pain, too, Kevin. I looked into Flash when it first came out and found it very frustrating and time-consuming to use. And I do computer-based video production all the time as part of my business, so I'm very familiar with timelines and timeline animation. In the early days, it was just too expensive in terms of labor and price to use...customers weren't interested in paying me enough to create eye-candy. Remoting came along and I tried it again...required learning action-script and purchase of the still expensive software...too much of a learning curve, still. And all the while, I'm watching sites begin to make good, judicious use of Flash to enhance sites. I even downloaded Flash MX 2004 Pro to see what changes were made to make it more developer-friendly...good try, but not good enough for me. I tried a less-expensive solution that is intuitive and easy to use for basic animated effects...eye-candy...but for the price of only $100 and very little labor to produce nice results...a lot of built-in effects...just select and apply...(forget all that tweening stuff...ridiculous...) Swishzone.com is the place to check out some easy to use Flash creation software...they even have a Flash video creation program...haven't done too much with that...results weren't that great... I think they do have some remoting possibilities there, but I've given up on that again for now. It's nice, however, to spend just a little time and *intuitively* be able to create some nice Flash movies. And, yes, I do use tutorials and read help files and use books...MM's program is the problem. It's still trying to figure out what it wants to be when it grows up... My .02 (+.02) ... Rick -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Despite the thread title, I wasn't talking specifically about Remoting. I was just talking about the whole Flash thing. We do very few Flash projects so each time one comes our way it's like starting from scratch again. And that's just exacerbated by the changes from version to version. -Kevin -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever while that might be true it also isn't. Flash remoting is a lot simpler to use then pulling in xml or a web service, well actually they all are easy to get into flash its after they are in where it confusing. With remoting its confusing because they have changed the way the classes interact but overall its easier just not too much readily available info out there yet. I would even start with just making the connection with the remoting component and then study the code it writes for you, really only takes about 30 seconds to use the component but its also limited too where you can use it. Also look in flash's help section there is a lot of info in there, there are also remoting examples in there as well. communitymx.com has a tut using the remoting component and tom much as a couple of other ones in there too. I'll try to get a copy of dennis' presentation from our cfug too but that was way over my head!! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195469 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
It's just different, like learning a new editor, most ppl still think of it like it USED to be not how it now is. I mean come on, you all know I'm clueless and i can do it, so you should be able as well!! Rick, the video part is so easy that its SICK!! Here is something kelly had me make, took me all of 10-15 minutes maybe http://www.jamwerx.com/kelly/1/kelly.html **warning semi-adult content** although that wasnt the fianl version as it sticks sometimes but I forgot where the other one is. Personally, I think using swish or flash candy is what gives flash a bad name. I'll tell you this though, flash is as powerfull as you want or need it to be!! Just gotta get used to the enviroment. And it's very grown-up, once you get inside of it you can plainly see that :) further more, you don't need remoting to get data in, you can just retrieve simple variables like a normal cfm page or grab the data off of a cfc or use the FLASH.var or by url string, xml, plain text, csv, web services, anything. From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I feel your pain, too, Kevin. I looked into Flash when it first came out and found it very frustrating and time-consuming to use. And I do computer-based video production all the time as part of my business, so I'm very familiar with timelines and timeline animation. In the early days, it was just too expensive in terms of labor and price to use...customers weren't interested in paying me enough to create eye-candy. Remoting came along and I tried it again...required learning action-script and purchase of the still expensive software...too much of a learning curve, still. And all the while, I'm watching sites begin to make good, judicious use of Flash to enhance sites. I even downloaded Flash MX 2004 Pro to see what changes were made to make it more developer-friendly...good try, but not good enough for me. I tried a less-expensive solution that is intuitive and easy to use for basic animated effects...eye-candy...but for the price of only $100 and very little labor to produce nice results...a lot of built-in effects...just select and apply...(forget all that tweening stuff...ridiculous...) Swishzone.com is the place to check out some easy to use Flash creation software...they even have a Flash video creation program...haven't done too much with that...results weren't that great... I think they do have some remoting possibilities there, but I've given up on that again for now. It's nice, however, to spend just a little time and *intuitively* be able to create some nice Flash movies. And, yes, I do use tutorials and read help files and use books...MM's program is the problem. It's still trying to figure out what it wants to be when it grows up... My .02 (+.02) ... Rick -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Despite the thread title, I wasn't talking specifically about Remoting. I was just talking about the whole Flash thing. We do very few Flash projects so each time one comes our way it's like starting from scratch again. And that's just exacerbated by the changes from version to version. -Kevin -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever while that might be true it also isn't. Flash remoting is a lot simpler to use then pulling in xml or a web service, well actually they all are easy to get into flash its after they are in where it confusing. With remoting its confusing because they have changed the way the classes interact but overall its easier just not too much readily available info out there yet. I would even start with just making the connection with the remoting component and then study the code it writes for you, really only takes about 30 seconds to use the component but its also limited too where you can use it. Also look in flash's help section there is a lot of info in there, there are also remoting examples in there as well. communitymx.com has a tut using the remoting component and tom much as a couple of other ones in there too. I'll try to get a copy of dennis' presentation from our cfug too but that was way over my head!! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Yeah...the fact that video editing is so easy is the whole point...Flash could be, too, if MM knew how to design an interface...actually, if they would just include some pre-built animations like Swish, then all would be well...(There may be some in the latest version, which I downloaded...but I didn't see them...all I saw was the same ole difficult to use interface. Usually, I don't want to go to a lot of trouble (or expense) to make something, especially some basic, site-enhancing animation...but with Flash, I've found it all difficult...the same way Dreamweaver is...powerful, but a pain to use...*overkill* most of the time. (At least in my market) As far as video goes...yes, it can be quick and easy, but the high-end productions take a lot of editing, animation, etc...but that's ok, because most interfaces have matured to offer a lot of functionality built-in to editors. I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do the same...like Swish... Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever It's just different, like learning a new editor, most ppl still think of it like it USED to be not how it now is. I mean come on, you all know I'm clueless and i can do it, so you should be able as well!! Rick, the video part is so easy that its SICK!! Here is something kelly had me make, took me all of 10-15 minutes maybe http://www.jamwerx.com/kelly/1/kelly.html **warning semi-adult content** although that wasnt the fianl version as it sticks sometimes but I forgot where the other one is. Personally, I think using swish or flash candy is what gives flash a bad name. I'll tell you this though, flash is as powerfull as you want or need it to be!! Just gotta get used to the enviroment. And it's very grown-up, once you get inside of it you can plainly see that :) further more, you don't need remoting to get data in, you can just retrieve simple variables like a normal cfm page or grab the data off of a cfc or use the FLASH.var or by url string, xml, plain text, csv, web services, anything. From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I feel your pain, too, Kevin. I looked into Flash when it first came out and found it very frustrating and time-consuming to use. And I do computer-based video production all the time as part of my business, so I'm very familiar with timelines and timeline animation. In the early days, it was just too expensive in terms of labor and price to use...customers weren't interested in paying me enough to create eye-candy. Remoting came along and I tried it again...required learning action-script and purchase of the still expensive software...too much of a learning curve, still. And all the while, I'm watching sites begin to make good, judicious use of Flash to enhance sites. I even downloaded Flash MX 2004 Pro to see what changes were made to make it more developer-friendly...good try, but not good enough for me. I tried a less-expensive solution that is intuitive and easy to use for basic animated effects...eye-candy...but for the price of only $100 and very little labor to produce nice results...a lot of built-in effects...just select and apply...(forget all that tweening stuff...ridiculous...) Swishzone.com is the place to check out some easy to use Flash creation software...they even have a Flash video creation program...haven't done too much with that...results weren't that great... I think they do have some remoting possibilities there, but I've given up on that again for now. It's nice, however, to spend just a little time and *intuitively* be able to create some nice Flash movies. And, yes, I do use tutorials and read help files and use books...MM's program is the problem. It's still trying to figure out what it wants to be when it grows up... My .02 (+.02) ... Rick -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Despite the thread title, I wasn't talking specifically about Remoting. I was just talking about the whole Flash thing. We do very few Flash projects so each time one comes our way it's like starting from scratch again. And that's just exacerbated by the changes from version to version. -Kevin -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever while that might be true it also isn't. Flash remoting is a lot simpler to use
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
ok I see what you are looking for:) yes there are a few built-in ones go to INSERT TIMELINE EFFECTS i have 3 paid mxp's I love from red giant http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/flash1.html and on the exchange there are quite a few that do that swish kinda deal. The biggest problem with swish type programs is they really don't optimize too well (kinda like my spelling) and the new flash compresses 100x better. Where you are saying I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do that's kind of like using say CodeCharge or something to make your cfm for you and you wouldn't do that now would you ;) From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:46 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Yeah...the fact that video editing is so easy is the whole point...Flash could be, too, if MM knew how to design an interface...actually, if they would just include some pre-built animations like Swish, then all would be well...(There may be some in the latest version, which I downloaded...but I didn't see them...all I saw was the same ole difficult to use interface. Usually, I don't want to go to a lot of trouble (or expense) to make something, especially some basic, site-enhancing animation...but with Flash, I've found it all difficult...the same way Dreamweaver is...powerful, but a pain to use...*overkill* most of the time. (At least in my market) As far as video goes...yes, it can be quick and easy, but the high-end productions take a lot of editing, animation, etc...but that's ok, because most interfaces have matured to offer a lot of functionality built-in to editors. I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do the same...like Swish... Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever It's just different, like learning a new editor, most ppl still think of it like it USED to be not how it now is. I mean come on, you all know I'm clueless and i can do it, so you should be able as well!! Rick, the video part is so easy that its SICK!! Here is something kelly had me make, took me all of 10-15 minutes maybe http://www.jamwerx.com/kelly/1/kelly.html **warning semi-adult content** although that wasnt the fianl version as it sticks sometimes but I forgot where the other one is. Personally, I think using swish or flash candy is what gives flash a bad name. I'll tell you this though, flash is as powerfull as you want or need it to be!! Just gotta get used to the enviroment. And it's very grown-up, once you get inside of it you can plainly see that :) further more, you don't need remoting to get data in, you can just retrieve simple variables like a normal cfm page or grab the data off of a cfc or use the FLASH.var or by url string, xml, plain text, csv, web services, anything. From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I feel your pain, too, Kevin. I looked into Flash when it first came out and found it very frustrating and time-consuming to use. And I do computer-based video production all the time as part of my business, so I'm very familiar with timelines and timeline animation. In the early days, it was just too expensive in terms of labor and price to use...customers weren't interested in paying me enough to create eye-candy. Remoting came along and I tried it again...required learning action-script and purchase of the still expensive software...too much of a learning curve, still. And all the while, I'm watching sites begin to make good, judicious use of Flash to enhance sites. I even downloaded Flash MX 2004 Pro to see what changes were made to make it more developer-friendly...good try, but not good enough for me. I tried a less-expensive solution that is intuitive and easy to use for basic animated effects...eye-candy...but for the price of only $100 and very little labor to produce nice results...a lot of built-in effects...just select and apply...(forget all that tweening stuff...ridiculous...) Swishzone.com is the place to check out some easy to use Flash creation software...they even have a Flash video creation program...haven't done too much with that...results weren't that great... I think they do have some remoting possibilities there, but I've given up on that again for now. It's nice, however, to spend just a little time and *intuitively* be able to create some nice Flash movies. And, yes, I do use
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
No...(not at this point...), *but* neither do I hand-code all the HTML either... It just depends on what the project demands as to how much fine-control you need. Video, Flash, or CF... Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever ok I see what you are looking for:) yes there are a few built-in ones go to INSERT TIMELINE EFFECTS i have 3 paid mxp's I love from red giant http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/flash1.html and on the exchange there are quite a few that do that swish kinda deal. The biggest problem with swish type programs is they really don't optimize too well (kinda like my spelling) and the new flash compresses 100x better. Where you are saying I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do that's kind of like using say CodeCharge or something to make your cfm for you and you wouldn't do that now would you ;) From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:46 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Yeah...the fact that video editing is so easy is the whole point...Flash could be, too, if MM knew how to design an interface...actually, if they would just include some pre-built animations like Swish, then all would be well...(There may be some in the latest version, which I downloaded...but I didn't see them...all I saw was the same ole difficult to use interface. Usually, I don't want to go to a lot of trouble (or expense) to make something, especially some basic, site-enhancing animation...but with Flash, I've found it all difficult...the same way Dreamweaver is...powerful, but a pain to use...*overkill* most of the time. (At least in my market) As far as video goes...yes, it can be quick and easy, but the high-end productions take a lot of editing, animation, etc...but that's ok, because most interfaces have matured to offer a lot of functionality built-in to editors. I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do the same...like Swish... Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever It's just different, like learning a new editor, most ppl still think of it like it USED to be not how it now is. I mean come on, you all know I'm clueless and i can do it, so you should be able as well!! Rick, the video part is so easy that its SICK!! Here is something kelly had me make, took me all of 10-15 minutes maybe http://www.jamwerx.com/kelly/1/kelly.html **warning semi-adult content** although that wasnt the fianl version as it sticks sometimes but I forgot where the other one is. Personally, I think using swish or flash candy is what gives flash a bad name. I'll tell you this though, flash is as powerfull as you want or need it to be!! Just gotta get used to the enviroment. And it's very grown-up, once you get inside of it you can plainly see that :) further more, you don't need remoting to get data in, you can just retrieve simple variables like a normal cfm page or grab the data off of a cfc or use the FLASH.var or by url string, xml, plain text, csv, web services, anything. From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I feel your pain, too, Kevin. I looked into Flash when it first came out and found it very frustrating and time-consuming to use. And I do computer-based video production all the time as part of my business, so I'm very familiar with timelines and timeline animation. In the early days, it was just too expensive in terms of labor and price to use...customers weren't interested in paying me enough to create eye-candy. Remoting came along and I tried it again...required learning action-script and purchase of the still expensive software...too much of a learning curve, still. And all the while, I'm watching sites begin to make good, judicious use of Flash to enhance sites. I even downloaded Flash MX 2004 Pro to see what changes were made to make it more developer-friendly...good try, but not good enough for me. I tried a less-expensive solution that is intuitive and easy to use for basic animated effects...eye-candy...but for the price of only $100 and very little labor to produce nice results...a lot of built-in effects...just select and apply...(forget all that tweening stuff...ridiculous...) Swishzone.com is the place to check out some easy to use
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i was just kiddin ;) i agree though a first its a bit rough but then you freak cause its so much easier than making a reg html page (it really is!) The hardest part is getting over the html way of thinking, preparing arranging a layout. The hardest part for me is the graphics, I'm working on a full flash remoting site and I hired a graphics guy to help out with the graphics, man graphics ppl sure have attitudes!! haha Needless to say that didnt work out :) Im still amazed how well coldfusion flash work together tho, its a beautiful thing :) From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:07 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever No...(not at this point...), *but* neither do I hand-code all the HTML either... It just depends on what the project demands as to how much fine-control you need. Video, Flash, or CF... Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever ok I see what you are looking for:) yes there are a few built-in ones go to INSERT TIMELINE EFFECTS i have 3 paid mxp's I love from red giant http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/flash1.html and on the exchange there are quite a few that do that swish kinda deal. The biggest problem with swish type programs is they really don't optimize too well (kinda like my spelling) and the new flash compresses 100x better. Where you are saying I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do that's kind of like using say CodeCharge or something to make your cfm for you and you wouldn't do that now would you ;) From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Yeah...the fact that video editing is so easy is the whole point...Flash could be, too, if MM knew how to design an interface...actually, if they would just include some pre-built animations like Swish, then all would be well...(There may be some in the latest version, which I downloaded...but I didn't see them...all I saw was the same ole difficult to use interface. Usually, I don't want to go to a lot of trouble (or expense) to make something, especially some basic, site-enhancing animation...but with Flash, I've found it all difficult...the same way Dreamweaver is...powerful, but a pain to use...*overkill* most of the time. (At least in my market) As far as video goes...yes, it can be quick and easy, but the high-end productions take a lot of editing, animation, etc...but that's ok, because most interfaces have matured to offer a lot of functionality built-in to editors. I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do the same...like Swish... Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever It's just different, like learning a new editor, most ppl still think of it like it USED to be not how it now is. I mean come on, you all know I'm clueless and i can do it, so you should be able as well!! Rick, the video part is so easy that its SICK!! Here is something kelly had me make, took me all of 10-15 minutes maybe http://www.jamwerx.com/kelly/1/kelly.html **warning semi-adult content** although that wasnt the fianl version as it sticks sometimes but I forgot where the other one is. Personally, I think using swish or flash candy is what gives flash a bad name. I'll tell you this though, flash is as powerfull as you want or need it to be!! Just gotta get used to the enviroment. And it's very grown-up, once you get inside of it you can plainly see that :) further more, you don't need remoting to get data in, you can just retrieve simple variables like a normal cfm page or grab the data off of a cfc or use the FLASH.var or by url string, xml, plain text, csv, web services, anything. From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever I feel your pain, too, Kevin. I looked into Flash when it first came out and found it very frustrating and time-consuming to use. And I do computer-based video production all the time as part of my business, so I'm very familiar with timelines and timeline animation. In the early days, it was just too expensive in terms of labor and price to use...customers weren't interested in paying me enough to create eye-candy. Remoting came along
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Yeah...I see *so* much potential for application design...it's just a steep learning curve... the interface is enough of a climb, but then there's a whole other language...action script... I just don't get the jobs that make that worth the climb... Remember...you're still talking to a guy that's using CF 4.5! ;o) Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever i was just kiddin ;) i agree though a first its a bit rough but then you freak cause its so much easier than making a reg html page (it really is!) The hardest part is getting over the html way of thinking, preparing arranging a layout. The hardest part for me is the graphics, I'm working on a full flash remoting site and I hired a graphics guy to help out with the graphics, man graphics ppl sure have attitudes!! haha Needless to say that didnt work out :) Im still amazed how well coldfusion flash work together tho, its a beautiful thing :) From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:07 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever No...(not at this point...), *but* neither do I hand-code all the HTML either... It just depends on what the project demands as to how much fine-control you need. Video, Flash, or CF... Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever ok I see what you are looking for:) yes there are a few built-in ones go to INSERT TIMELINE EFFECTS i have 3 paid mxp's I love from red giant http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/flash1.html and on the exchange there are quite a few that do that swish kinda deal. The biggest problem with swish type programs is they really don't optimize too well (kinda like my spelling) and the new flash compresses 100x better. Where you are saying I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do that's kind of like using say CodeCharge or something to make your cfm for you and you wouldn't do that now would you ;) From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Yeah...the fact that video editing is so easy is the whole point...Flash could be, too, if MM knew how to design an interface...actually, if they would just include some pre-built animations like Swish, then all would be well...(There may be some in the latest version, which I downloaded...but I didn't see them...all I saw was the same ole difficult to use interface. Usually, I don't want to go to a lot of trouble (or expense) to make something, especially some basic, site-enhancing animation...but with Flash, I've found it all difficult...the same way Dreamweaver is...powerful, but a pain to use...*overkill* most of the time. (At least in my market) As far as video goes...yes, it can be quick and easy, but the high-end productions take a lot of editing, animation, etc...but that's ok, because most interfaces have matured to offer a lot of functionality built-in to editors. I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do the same...like Swish... Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever It's just different, like learning a new editor, most ppl still think of it like it USED to be not how it now is. I mean come on, you all know I'm clueless and i can do it, so you should be able as well!! Rick, the video part is so easy that its SICK!! Here is something kelly had me make, took me all of 10-15 minutes maybe http://www.jamwerx.com/kelly/1/kelly.html **warning semi-adult content** although that wasnt the fianl version as it sticks sometimes but I forgot where the other one is. Personally, I think using swish or flash candy is what gives flash a bad name. I'll tell you this though, flash is as powerfull as you want or need it to be!! Just gotta get used to the enviroment. And it's very grown-up, once you get inside of it you can plainly see that :) further more, you don't need remoting to get data in, you can just retrieve simple variables like a normal cfm page or grab the data off of a cfc or use the FLASH.var or by url string, xml, plain text, csv, web services, anything. From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject
RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
4.5! oh damn!!! we need to have a talk! haha I struggle with actionscript too, especially since I don't know much javascript which is very close to it. This project im doing now for the gf really has to be done in flash so i'm bearing down on it, everyday I learn new things with flash and its truely amazing. most of whats done is done in a seperate AS editor (i use sepy editor), so really its like using a text editor, then i just put things in the flash library but really control the movie form the as files, so you really arent in the flash ide too much, mostly just to compile and test From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:30 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Yeah...I see *so* much potential for application design...it's just a steep learning curve... the interface is enough of a climb, but then there's a whole other language...action script... I just don't get the jobs that make that worth the climb... Remember...you're still talking to a guy that's using CF 4.5! ;o) Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever i was just kiddin ;) i agree though a first its a bit rough but then you freak cause its so much easier than making a reg html page (it really is!) The hardest part is getting over the html way of thinking, preparing arranging a layout. The hardest part for me is the graphics, I'm working on a full flash remoting site and I hired a graphics guy to help out with the graphics, man graphics ppl sure have attitudes!! haha Needless to say that didnt work out :) Im still amazed how well coldfusion flash work together tho, its a beautiful thing :) From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever No...(not at this point...), *but* neither do I hand-code all the HTML either... It just depends on what the project demands as to how much fine-control you need. Video, Flash, or CF... Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever ok I see what you are looking for:) yes there are a few built-in ones go to INSERT TIMELINE EFFECTS i have 3 paid mxp's I love from red giant http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/flash1.html and on the exchange there are quite a few that do that swish kinda deal. The biggest problem with swish type programs is they really don't optimize too well (kinda like my spelling) and the new flash compresses 100x better. Where you are saying I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do that's kind of like using say CodeCharge or something to make your cfm for you and you wouldn't do that now would you ;) From: Rick Faircloth Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Yeah...the fact that video editing is so easy is the whole point...Flash could be, too, if MM knew how to design an interface...actually, if they would just include some pre-built animations like Swish, then all would be well...(There may be some in the latest version, which I downloaded...but I didn't see them...all I saw was the same ole difficult to use interface. Usually, I don't want to go to a lot of trouble (or expense) to make something, especially some basic, site-enhancing animation...but with Flash, I've found it all difficult...the same way Dreamweaver is...powerful, but a pain to use...*overkill* most of the time. (At least in my market) As far as video goes...yes, it can be quick and easy, but the high-end productions take a lot of editing, animation, etc...but that's ok, because most interfaces have matured to offer a lot of functionality built-in to editors. I don't have to set all the parameters involved in a cross-over fade, I just drag the fade into position and the program figures out the rest. Flash should be able to do the same...like Swish... Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever It's just different, like learning a new editor, most ppl still think of it like it USED to be not how it now is. I mean come on, you all know I'm clueless and i can do it, so you should be able as well!! Rick, the video part is so easy that its SICK!! Here is something kelly had me make, took me all of 10-15 minutes maybe http://www.jamwerx.com/kelly/1
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Situation normal. Same as any other time I've tried to learn how to do this flash remoting. Something really simple stops me. Dave sent me a tutorial to work on, and I figured I'd better make sure I have the correct version of the flash remoting components. So I went to Macromedia's site, found the page to download the components (there are now two sets - which to download? I have no idea so I'll down load both). Wouldn't you know it, page cannot be displayed. Again I get nowhere, and can't even get to the starting line this time. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195515 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
it gets better! you want the version 2 components http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashremoting/downloads/components/ for windows english http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashremoting/mx2004/components/actionscript_2.0/flashremoting_comp_as20-win-en.exe mac http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashremoting/mx2004/components/actionscript_2.0/flashremoting_comp_as20-mac-en.dmg they work for me :) mike if you have any more problems feel free to email me off list From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:45 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Situation normal. Same as any other time I've tried to learn how to do this flash remoting. Something really simple stops me. Dave sent me a tutorial to work on, and I figured I'd better make sure I have the correct version of the flash remoting components. So I went to Macromedia's site, found the page to download the components (there are now two sets - which to download? I have no idea so I'll down load both). Wouldn't you know it, page cannot be displayed. Again I get nowhere, and can't even get to the starting line this time. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195517 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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No, it says Page Cannot be Found! I have tried it in three browsers, on two different machines. I've entered the URL by clicking on the link in your post, by cutting and pasting into the address bar, and by following links from the home page at macromedia.com. In the latter case, I get to the point where i choose the file to download, and at the last point, where teh download should start, it says 'page not found'. I'm not imagining it. it will NOT download the components for me. I get page not found errors no matter what way I try to do it. Is anyone else able to download the flash remoting components right now? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:51:03 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it gets better! you want the version 2 components http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashremoting/downloads/components/ for windows english http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashremoting/mx2004/components/actionscript_2.0/flashremoting_comp_as20-win-en.exe mac http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashremoting/mx2004/components/actionscript_2.0/flashremoting_comp_as20-mac-en.dmg they work for me :) mike if you have any more problems feel free to email me off list ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195523 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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works 4 me on firefox im uploading it now for you i gotta run to store but in a few try www.jamwerx.com/open/frc.zip that should get u them From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:17 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever No, it says Page Cannot be Found! I have tried it in three browsers, on two different machines. I've entered the URL by clicking on the link in your post, by cutting and pasting into the address bar, and by following links from the home page at macromedia.com. In the latter case, I get to the point where i choose the file to download, and at the last point, where teh download should start, it says 'page not found'. I'm not imagining it. it will NOT download the components for me. I get page not found errors no matter what way I try to do it. Is anyone else able to download the flash remoting components right now? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:51:03 -0500, dave wrote: it gets better! you want the version 2 components http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashremoting/downloads/components/ for windows english http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashremoting/mx2004/components/actionscript_2.0/flashremoting_comp_as20-win-en.exe mac http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashremoting/mx2004/components/actionscript_2.0/flashremoting_comp_as20-mac-en.dmg they work for me :) mike if you have any more problems feel free to email me off list ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195525 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Why would one person be able to get the components and another not? It's definitely giving me page not found every time I click on any of the links leading to the actual .EXE file. French, German, AS2, AS1, doesnt matter - they all come up page not found. Or is there a higher being just trying to tell me not to have anything to do with Flash Remoting because it's the work of the devil?I've been trying on and off to learn about this damn thing since I first heard about it, and have yet to get to the starting line. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:27:09 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: works 4 me on firefox im uploading it now for you i gotta run to store but in a few try www.jamwerx.com/open/frc.zip that should get u them ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195527 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Thanks Dave, I've downloaded the zip file from your site. Now to try to install the little buggers. Cheers Mike Kear On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:27:09 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: works 4 me on firefox im uploading it now for you i gotta run to store but in a few try www.jamwerx.com/open/frc.zip that should get u them ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195528 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Ok that figures. Everything else in this project fails, so why not this. Dave's zip file is not valid and wont open. On this go-round, I've spent nine hours trying to get to learn Flash Remoting and havent so much as got started. I'll try downloading it again. (sigh) Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:37:47 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Dave, I've downloaded the zip file from your site. Now to try to install the little buggers. Cheers Mike Kear On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:27:09 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: works 4 me on firefox im uploading it now for you i gotta run to store but in a few try www.jamwerx.com/open/frc.zip that should get u them -- ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195529 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
Well at last something worked. I downloaded Dave's zip file again and it opened. I double clicked the flash remoting components and they seemed to install ok. For such a simple thing I feel an amazing sense of triumph. At last I have forced that *([EMAIL PROTECTED] FLASH to do something I want it to,even if all it is doing is installing components. Stil haven't found any remoting core .as files such as NetServices.as or DataGlue.as. or am I supposed to be writing those myself? They arent anywhere on my hard drive after installing the remoting components. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:40:24 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok that figures. Everything else in this project fails, so why not this. Dave's zip file is not valid and wont open. On this go-round, I've spent nine hours trying to get to learn Flash Remoting and havent so much as got started. I'll try downloading it again. (sigh) Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:37:47 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Dave, I've downloaded the zip file from your site. Now to try to install the little buggers. Cheers Mike Kear On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:27:09 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: works 4 me on firefox im uploading it now for you i gotta run to store but in a few try www.jamwerx.com/open/frc.zip that should get u them -- -- ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195531 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
windows update does that too me (tg) From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:37 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Why would one person be able to get the components and another not? It's definitely giving me page not found every time I click on any of the links leading to the actual .EXE file. French, German, AS2, AS1, doesnt matter - they all come up page not found. Or is there a higher being just trying to tell me not to have anything to do with Flash Remoting because it's the work of the devil? I've been trying on and off to learn about this damn thing since I first heard about it, and have yet to get to the starting line. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:27:09 -0500, dave wrote: works 4 me on firefox im uploading it now for you i gotta run to store but in a few try www.jamwerx.com/open/frc.zip that should get u them ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195532 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
dang that sounds like my luck with windows, frusterating isnt it? i just downloaded it from my link and its fine on this end From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:41 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Ok that figures. Everything else in this project fails, so why not this. Dave's zip file is not valid and wont open. On this go-round, I've spent nine hours trying to get to learn Flash Remoting and havent so much as got started. I'll try downloading it again. (sigh) Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:37:47 +1100, Mike Kear wrote: Thanks Dave, I've downloaded the zip file from your site. Now to try to install the little buggers. Cheers Mike Kear On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:27:09 -0500, dave wrote: works 4 me on firefox im uploading it now for you i gotta run to store but in a few try www.jamwerx.com/open/frc.zip that should get u them -- ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195533 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
ok open up flash and see if HELP WELCOME TO FLASH REMOTING is there, if it is its installed the as. files will be in C:\Program Files\Macromedia\Flash MX 2004\en\First Run\Classes From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:00 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever Well at last something worked. I downloaded Dave's zip file again and it opened. I double clicked the flash remoting components and they seemed to install ok. For such a simple thing I feel an amazing sense of triumph. At last I have forced that *([EMAIL PROTECTED] FLASH to do something I want it to,even if all it is doing is installing components. Stil haven't found any remoting core .as files such as NetServices.as or DataGlue.as. or am I supposed to be writing those myself? They arent anywhere on my hard drive after installing the remoting components. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:40:24 +1100, Mike Kear wrote: Ok that figures. Everything else in this project fails, so why not this. Dave's zip file is not valid and wont open. On this go-round, I've spent nine hours trying to get to learn Flash Remoting and havent so much as got started. I'll try downloading it again. (sigh) Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:37:47 +1100, Mike Kear wrote: Thanks Dave, I've downloaded the zip file from your site. Now to try to install the little buggers. Cheers Mike Kear On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:27:09 -0500, dave wrote: works 4 me on firefox im uploading it now for you i gotta run to store but in a few try www.jamwerx.com/open/frc.zip that should get u them -- -- ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195534 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
This just shows how easy it is to impress me I just got the sample app that Dave sent to me GOING!!! IT's bloody well working!!! For the first time in more than three years, I have a remoting app working on my system. Not MY app, mind you - that is still a ways off, but it's working. As in, I can click on a name and information about the person appears in the box to the right of it. I'm so excited I think I'll have to go and have a lie down before I start on figuring out what's going on inside the thing. Thanks a lot Dave for this!!! Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195535 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
whoo hoo!!! now you got the bug :) actually that tut has a lot of good info in it. not just remoting but sending emails and flash form validation (come on you gotta like the thumbs up/thumbs down haha) fast isnt it!! and you are welcome :) From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:47 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever This just shows how easy it is to impress me I just got the sample app that Dave sent to me GOING!!! IT's bloody well working!!! For the first time in more than three years, I have a remoting app working on my system. Not MY app, mind you - that is still a ways off, but it's working. As in, I can click on a name and information about the person appears in the box to the right of it. I'm so excited I think I'll have to go and have a lie down before I start on figuring out what's going on inside the thing. Thanks a lot Dave for this!!! Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195536 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever
whoo hoo!!! now you got the bug :) HEll, I'm dowloadin thus sumbitch now! Woo! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195538 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
