RE: Future of the internet
I hear all this talk of limited Broadband. Maybe I'm just lucky living in a metropolitan area in Canada - DSL and Cable are the same price and is fairly affordable (about $40 Cdn / month). It'd be nice if it were cheaper, but this isn't too bad. Then again, I have heard some grumblings that Canada is a bit further ahead in adoption of newer technology (could be wrong though). As for the Future of the internet... makes me think - with all these Nodes on the I-Net, sooner or later someone is going to try to put them together in a neural net or something similar. So THE killer app in this case would be the I-Net itself... On a different note, I don't see how this discussion has much to do with Cold Fusion anymore Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Future of the internet I agree with this on both counts, even here in Australia the feeling is very mutual. The broadband that is reliable is limited to coverage (Cable), and the DSL services are far to expensive and will kill the market and at the moment is also very unreliable with the uptime. I myself have had the time to think about where the future is headed, and there many opportunities that will open up when this gets sorted, But there has to be 2 things present. 1) The medium has enough coverage to give your product the coverage it needs, and to deliver the way this is to look. 2) Security, this will be a big undertaking and people would be hesitant to hook to something that offers very little protection to any stored information. But I see so much old technology that could be changed for the better, when broadband is here. -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2002 12:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Future of the internet The "killer app" for now is broadband, and that's something that the US is really falling behind on. Once broadband is prevalent, it will allow the web to BE both the medium (for information and entertainment) and the mechanism (for delivery of content and information, as well as a voice, video, and data communications medium). If the government/telco's/etc. don't get their collective acts together, we're going to be an InfoTech 3rd world nation. I mean, hell, I live in a neighborhood of $300k houses in suburban Phila and apparently nobody wants to provide brandband to us. After that, I think the next "killer app" is mainstream home/personal server/firewall (or, more accuratly, appliance) for storing information, video, music, etc., but for that to succeed, broadband needs to be prevalent. Sorry, Doug, but I think it goes way beyond the integration of Flash and CF, though personal bandwidth is important for that to succeed as well. Pete __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Future of the internet
yeah, its in the fine print, or it was. I had talked to them at some length and they said they had a license for small companies (under 500 employees or something) that was free of charge. Unless they changed their licensing issues in which case, they will be shooting themselves in the foot. - Original Message - From: "Ken Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:19 AM Subject: RE: Future of the internet > > And only large companies using production software are > > charged in this manner. > > > > Not according to their site: > > "Licensed - for individuals or organizations that publish Curl content that > is not personal and is not under development." > > __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Future of the internet
> And only large companies using production software are > charged in this manner. Not according to their site: "Licensed - for individuals or organizations that publish Curl content that is not personal and is not under development." __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Future of the internet
That is a problem with their licensing but their technology is sound, I think. The licensing may eventually change though. And only large companies using production software are charged in this manner. Craig - Original Message - From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Future of the internet > The idea may be good but charging developers every month for the execution of their code is ridiculous. I'd rather purchase a > development platform license (like CF and Flash) and not have to pay a monthly fee based on the success of my site. > > Howie > > - Original Message - > From: "Fregas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: Future of the internet > > > > I think the future of the internet will be soemthing like this: > > http://www.curl.com/ > > > > I haven't learned the language, but it does everything that HTML, > > Javascript, CSS, DHTML and even some of Flash and Coldfusion from ONE > > object-oriented language. I think Flash is great for design and animation, > > but its a real bitch to make a desktop style application out of it or to > > make all of its content dynamic, especially without generator. > > > > Plus, Curl is free for developers. It doesn't replace your scripting > > language (CFML, ASP, JSP, PHP,etc) because it is entirely client side. But > > that is where it shines and it definitely gives Flash a run for its money in > > the web application arena as far as ease of use. > > > > Craig > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:33 PM > > Subject: Future of the internet > > > > > > > I know this is way OT, but I had to put my thoughts into words. > > > > > > Myself and a friend were discussing the outlook of technology, and one > > > of the things that we discussed, was what we felt the future held for > > > web technology. We both agreed that the web has to transform into > > > something more than the sum of it's parts. Our feeling on the subject is > > > that Macromeda/Allaire is at the forefront of what the web can and > > > should be. Macromedia Flash is still in it's infancy when you look at > > > the amount of sites that incorporate flash technology and those who do > > > not. Now the reason for this is well known as being not enough high > > > bandwith connections, but that is changing at an enormous rate. > > > With Macromedia's acquisition of Allaire and dynamic data driven > > > content, there should be no end in site as far as development goes. I > > > thought at one point that their were not enough Coldfusion jobs and I > > > should take the time to learn a few secondary languages. Although that > > > still holds true as far as the amount of Coldfusion jobs, I think that > > > once Flash and Coldfusion merge into one beautiful application > > > development tool that we will be begging for the jobs to slow down. > > > We thoughtwhat would it be like to open your "Macromedia Flash > > > Browser" (No more clumsy Internet Explorer or Netscape) What a joy > > > surfing would be !!! Imagine shopping online without having to drill > > > down 10 layers to finally checkout. When you clicked on a product, > > > another window would slide open and you would enter your info and voila > > > "done"!! If there is any company that could stand toe to toe with the > > > Microsoft Monopoly on the internet, it is in fmy opinion > > > Macromedia/Allaire. > > > > > > Thanks for listening to my rants...I am just tired of hearing all this > > > negative Macromedia Talk (IE: Death of Coldfusion) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and [Unix] > > > BSD. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug Brown > > > > > > > > > __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Future of the internet
The idea may be good but charging developers every month for the execution of their code is ridiculous. I'd rather purchase a development platform license (like CF and Flash) and not have to pay a monthly fee based on the success of my site. Howie - Original Message - From: "Fregas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Future of the internet > I think the future of the internet will be soemthing like this: > http://www.curl.com/ > > I haven't learned the language, but it does everything that HTML, > Javascript, CSS, DHTML and even some of Flash and Coldfusion from ONE > object-oriented language. I think Flash is great for design and animation, > but its a real bitch to make a desktop style application out of it or to > make all of its content dynamic, especially without generator. > > Plus, Curl is free for developers. It doesn't replace your scripting > language (CFML, ASP, JSP, PHP,etc) because it is entirely client side. But > that is where it shines and it definitely gives Flash a run for its money in > the web application arena as far as ease of use. > > Craig > > > - Original Message - > From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:33 PM > Subject: Future of the internet > > > > I know this is way OT, but I had to put my thoughts into words. > > > > Myself and a friend were discussing the outlook of technology, and one > > of the things that we discussed, was what we felt the future held for > > web technology. We both agreed that the web has to transform into > > something more than the sum of it's parts. Our feeling on the subject is > > that Macromeda/Allaire is at the forefront of what the web can and > > should be. Macromedia Flash is still in it's infancy when you look at > > the amount of sites that incorporate flash technology and those who do > > not. Now the reason for this is well known as being not enough high > > bandwith connections, but that is changing at an enormous rate. > > With Macromedia's acquisition of Allaire and dynamic data driven > > content, there should be no end in site as far as development goes. I > > thought at one point that their were not enough Coldfusion jobs and I > > should take the time to learn a few secondary languages. Although that > > still holds true as far as the amount of Coldfusion jobs, I think that > > once Flash and Coldfusion merge into one beautiful application > > development tool that we will be begging for the jobs to slow down. > > We thoughtwhat would it be like to open your "Macromedia Flash > > Browser" (No more clumsy Internet Explorer or Netscape) What a joy > > surfing would be !!! Imagine shopping online without having to drill > > down 10 layers to finally checkout. When you clicked on a product, > > another window would slide open and you would enter your info and voila > > "done"!! If there is any company that could stand toe to toe with the > > Microsoft Monopoly on the internet, it is in fmy opinion > > Macromedia/Allaire. > > > > Thanks for listening to my rants...I am just tired of hearing all this > > negative Macromedia Talk (IE: Death of Coldfusion) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and [Unix] > > BSD. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. > > > > > > > > Doug Brown > > > > > __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Future of the internet
I think the future of the internet will be soemthing like this: http://www.curl.com/ I haven't learned the language, but it does everything that HTML, Javascript, CSS, DHTML and even some of Flash and Coldfusion from ONE object-oriented language. I think Flash is great for design and animation, but its a real bitch to make a desktop style application out of it or to make all of its content dynamic, especially without generator. Plus, Curl is free for developers. It doesn't replace your scripting language (CFML, ASP, JSP, PHP,etc) because it is entirely client side. But that is where it shines and it definitely gives Flash a run for its money in the web application arena as far as ease of use. Craig - Original Message - From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Future of the internet > I know this is way OT, but I had to put my thoughts into words. > > Myself and a friend were discussing the outlook of technology, and one > of the things that we discussed, was what we felt the future held for > web technology. We both agreed that the web has to transform into > something more than the sum of it's parts. Our feeling on the subject is > that Macromeda/Allaire is at the forefront of what the web can and > should be. Macromedia Flash is still in it's infancy when you look at > the amount of sites that incorporate flash technology and those who do > not. Now the reason for this is well known as being not enough high > bandwith connections, but that is changing at an enormous rate. > With Macromedia's acquisition of Allaire and dynamic data driven > content, there should be no end in site as far as development goes. I > thought at one point that their were not enough Coldfusion jobs and I > should take the time to learn a few secondary languages. Although that > still holds true as far as the amount of Coldfusion jobs, I think that > once Flash and Coldfusion merge into one beautiful application > development tool that we will be begging for the jobs to slow down. > We thoughtwhat would it be like to open your "Macromedia Flash > Browser" (No more clumsy Internet Explorer or Netscape) What a joy > surfing would be !!! Imagine shopping online without having to drill > down 10 layers to finally checkout. When you clicked on a product, > another window would slide open and you would enter your info and voila > "done"!! If there is any company that could stand toe to toe with the > Microsoft Monopoly on the internet, it is in fmy opinion > Macromedia/Allaire. > > Thanks for listening to my rants...I am just tired of hearing all this > negative Macromedia Talk (IE: Death of Coldfusion) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and [Unix] > BSD. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. > > > > Doug Brown > > __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Future of the internet
Jim, To Funny Thanks for making me laugh! It's been a loong night. At 02:12 AM 2/9/02 -0700, you wrote: >Sometimes I like to get really wasted on a Friday night, too. Thanks for >sharing. > >Jim > >- Original Message - >From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:33 PM >Subject: Future of the internet > > >> I know this is way OT, but I had to put my thoughts into words. >> >> Myself and a friend were discussing the outlook of technology, and one >> of the things that we discussed, was what we felt the future held for >> web technology. We both agreed that the web has to transform into >> something more than the sum of it's parts. Our feeling on the subject is >> that Macromeda/Allaire is at the forefront of what the web can and >> should be. Macromedia Flash is still in it's infancy when you look at >> the amount of sites that incorporate flash technology and those who do >> not. Now the reason for this is well known as being not enough high >> bandwith connections, but that is changing at an enormous rate. >> With Macromedia's acquisition of Allaire and dynamic data driven >> content, there should be no end in site as far as development goes. I >> thought at one point that their were not enough Coldfusion jobs and I >> should take the time to learn a few secondary languages. Although that >> still holds true as far as the amount of Coldfusion jobs, I think that >> once Flash and Coldfusion merge into one beautiful application >> development tool that we will be begging for the jobs to slow down. >> We thoughtwhat would it be like to open your "Macromedia Flash >> Browser" (No more clumsy Internet Explorer or Netscape) What a joy >> surfing would be !!! Imagine shopping online without having to drill >> down 10 layers to finally checkout. When you clicked on a product, >> another window would slide open and you would enter your info and voila >> "done"!! If there is any company that could stand toe to toe with the >> Microsoft Monopoly on the internet, it is in fmy opinion >> Macromedia/Allaire. >> >> Thanks for listening to my rants...I am just tired of hearing all this >> negative Macromedia Talk (IE: Death of Coldfusion) > __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Future of the internet
Sometimes I like to get really wasted on a Friday night, too. Thanks for sharing. Jim - Original Message - From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: Future of the internet > I know this is way OT, but I had to put my thoughts into words. > > Myself and a friend were discussing the outlook of technology, and one > of the things that we discussed, was what we felt the future held for > web technology. We both agreed that the web has to transform into > something more than the sum of it's parts. Our feeling on the subject is > that Macromeda/Allaire is at the forefront of what the web can and > should be. Macromedia Flash is still in it's infancy when you look at > the amount of sites that incorporate flash technology and those who do > not. Now the reason for this is well known as being not enough high > bandwith connections, but that is changing at an enormous rate. > With Macromedia's acquisition of Allaire and dynamic data driven > content, there should be no end in site as far as development goes. I > thought at one point that their were not enough Coldfusion jobs and I > should take the time to learn a few secondary languages. Although that > still holds true as far as the amount of Coldfusion jobs, I think that > once Flash and Coldfusion merge into one beautiful application > development tool that we will be begging for the jobs to slow down. > We thoughtwhat would it be like to open your "Macromedia Flash > Browser" (No more clumsy Internet Explorer or Netscape) What a joy > surfing would be !!! Imagine shopping online without having to drill > down 10 layers to finally checkout. When you clicked on a product, > another window would slide open and you would enter your info and voila > "done"!! If there is any company that could stand toe to toe with the > Microsoft Monopoly on the internet, it is in fmy opinion > Macromedia/Allaire. > > Thanks for listening to my rants...I am just tired of hearing all this > negative Macromedia Talk (IE: Death of Coldfusion) __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Future of the internet
me, too. thanks for sharing your uplifting vision... - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Future of the internet I know this is way OT, but I had to put my thoughts into words. Myself and a friend were discussing the outlook of technology, and one of the things that we discussed, was what we felt the future held for web technology. We both agreed that the web has to transform into something more than the sum of it's parts. Our feeling on the subject is that Macromeda/Allaire is at the forefront of what the web can and should be. Macromedia Flash is still in it's infancy when you look at the amount of sites that incorporate flash technology and those who do not. Now the reason for this is well known as being not enough high bandwith connections, but that is changing at an enormous rate. With Macromedia's acquisition of Allaire and dynamic data driven content, there should be no end in site as far as development goes. I thought at one point that their were not enough Coldfusion jobs and I should take the time to learn a few secondary languages. Although that still holds true as far as the amount of Coldfusion jobs, I think that once Flash and Coldfusion merge into one beautiful application development tool that we will be begging for the jobs to slow down. We thoughtwhat would it be like to open your "Macromedia Flash Browser" (No more clumsy Internet Explorer or Netscape) What a joy surfing would be !!! Imagine shopping online without having to drill down 10 layers to finally checkout. When you clicked on a product, another window would slide open and you would enter your info and voila "done"!! If there is any company that could stand toe to toe with the Microsoft Monopoly on the internet, it is in fmy opinion Macromedia/Allaire. Thanks for listening to my rants...I am just tired of hearing all this negative Macromedia Talk (IE: Death of Coldfusion) There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and [Unix] BSD. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. Doug Brown __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Future of the internet
I know this is way OT, but I had to put my thoughts into words. Myself and a friend were discussing the outlook of technology, and one of the things that we discussed, was what we felt the future held for web technology. We both agreed that the web has to transform into something more than the sum of it's parts. Our feeling on the subject is that Macromeda/Allaire is at the forefront of what the web can and should be. Macromedia Flash is still in it's infancy when you look at the amount of sites that incorporate flash technology and those who do not. Now the reason for this is well known as being not enough high bandwith connections, but that is changing at an enormous rate. With Macromedia's acquisition of Allaire and dynamic data driven content, there should be no end in site as far as development goes. I thought at one point that their were not enough Coldfusion jobs and I should take the time to learn a few secondary languages. Although that still holds true as far as the amount of Coldfusion jobs, I think that once Flash and Coldfusion merge into one beautiful application development tool that we will be begging for the jobs to slow down. We thoughtwhat would it be like to open your "Macromedia Flash Browser" (No more clumsy Internet Explorer or Netscape) What a joy surfing would be !!! Imagine shopping online without having to drill down 10 layers to finally checkout. When you clicked on a product, another window would slide open and you would enter your info and voila "done"!! If there is any company that could stand toe to toe with the Microsoft Monopoly on the internet, it is in fmy opinion Macromedia/Allaire. Thanks for listening to my rants...I am just tired of hearing all this negative Macromedia Talk (IE: Death of Coldfusion) There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and [Unix] BSD. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. Doug Brown __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
