RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
Possibly, but the only machines I know that aren't usually locked down are development machines. You also have to look at how a company services its machines. Many companies out source their IT support. In this case have a base machine, where all pieces of software on the machine are known about is very very important from a contractual point of view. When I worked for Heinz, you couldn't even right click on the windows start button as they felt it was a security risk, and very few people had full internet access. shrug -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2003 06:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash -Original Message- From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Obviously never worked in a blue chip company :P I know for a fact that when you are supporting 1000+ desktops, each is a mirror image. I know of one company where Flash3 is still the installed version of Flash and you can't do a damm thing about it until they build and test a new desktop image, but in corporate environments Flash is not considered important, so this aspect has never been addressed. So Flash is not something you can download and install as you want. :( Honestly I've never worked in a large company that demanded that kind of adherance to the base image. Sure an image is used to create the machines (actually in most cases I've seen the vendor does this, Dell or Compaq or whomever) but after control is often left to the end user. On the other hand medium sized-companies often seem to do this. I assume it's because they're moving towards consolidation. But when the company gets REALLY big there's just no way to manage that many disparate needs. So you either play a losing game of custom image or give up some control. Of course the by line is always support only for supported platforms and that works for the vast majority of business and support personel, but us tech geeks just always gotta be thorns... My company (and it's children) has on the order of 13,000-17,000 machines... There are published standards and images, but not much in the way of post install restrictions. I've also worked at three... No four other companies of similair or smaller sizes that also didn't lock down like this. I dunno - maybe it's just the insurance industry. ;^) Of course there ARE many companies that DO just what you described - but to make a blanket statement just isn't right. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
This is a very important topic to discuss but it is not technical in nature and has been moved to the Macromedia-Talk list. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=28 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=28 Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
We have images and all of our applications are in ZenWorks, but we have only about 2000 workstations, and one netadmin. It is against hospital policy to download stuff because if we allow it, and it is illegal, then we will be fined. Being a non-profit, we can't afford licensing fines. This was just a comment. It really has no point ... ;) Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/26/2003 1:26:25 AM -Original Message- From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Obviously never worked in a blue chip company :P I know for a fact that when you are supporting 1000+ desktops, each is a mirror image. I know of one company where Flash3 is still the installed version of Flash and you can't do a damm thing about it until they build and test a new desktop image, but in corporate environments Flash is not considered important, so this aspect has never been addressed. So Flash is not something you can download and install as you want. :( Honestly I've never worked in a large company that demanded that kind of adherance to the base image. Sure an image is used to create the machines (actually in most cases I've seen the vendor does this, Dell or Compaq or whomever) but after control is often left to the end user. On the other hand medium sized-companies often seem to do this. I assume it's because they're moving towards consolidation. But when the company gets REALLY big there's just no way to manage that many disparate needs. So you either play a losing game of custom image or give up some control. Of course the by line is always support only for supported platforms and that works for the vast majority of business and support personel, but us tech geeks just always gotta be thorns... My company (and it's children) has on the order of 13,000-17,000 machines... There are published standards and images, but not much in the way of post install restrictions. I've also worked at three... No four other companies of similair or smaller sizes that also didn't lock down like this. I dunno - maybe it's just the insurance industry. ;^) Of course there ARE many companies that DO just what you described - but to make a blanket statement just isn't right. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=28 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=28 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
Although I can happily download CFMX updater 3 from the MM site, I am absolutely stunned that MM have not enabled people that do not have Flash 6 installed (and many corporate/intranet environments won't) to be able to download the CFMX Updater through the non-flash site. Who do they have in quality control? Who tests their useability? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
Although I can happily download CFMX updater 3 from the MM site, I am absolutely stunned that MM have not enabled people that do not have Flash 6 installed (and many corporate/intranet environments won't) to be able to download the CFMX Updater through the non-flash site. True, but they aren't the only ones. Think about how many things you can't do on the Microsoft site(s) without a recent copy of IE. (In fact, saying that, some of their stuff doesn't work even in IE). They are carrying out self-promotion in the most brutal way possible. Neil Middleton ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
Please don't repeat this thread.* This has already been discussed in depth and Sean et al on this list have already notified the Macromedia web team that the download pages need to be changed to plain HTML to allow downloads from servers without installing Flash. One hopes that this issue will be rectified asap. Regards Stephen === CF-Europe http://www.cf-europe.org/ Olympia Conference Centre, London 29-30 May 2003 Keynote by Ben Forta and Tim Buntel - Original Message - From: Neil Middleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Although I can happily download CFMX updater 3 from the MM site, I am absolutely stunned that MM have not enabled people that do not have Flash 6 installed (and many corporate/intranet environments won't) to be able to download the CFMX Updater through the non-flash site. True, but they aren't the only ones. Think about how many things you can't do on the Microsoft site(s) without a recent copy of IE. (In fact, saying that, some of their stuff doesn't work even in IE). They are carrying out self-promotion in the most brutal way possible. Neil Middleton ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
Ummm...they have said they agree that it's an oversight and they are working to resolve the issue. As far as the Flash plugin goesdownload it and install it ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Adam Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:06 AM Subject: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Although I can happily download CFMX updater 3 from the MM site, I am absolutely stunned that MM have not enabled people that do not have Flash 6 installed (and many corporate/intranet environments won't) to be able to download the CFMX Updater through the non-flash site. Who do they have in quality control? Who tests their useability? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
-Original Message- From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 5:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Although I can happily download CFMX updater 3 from the MM site, I am absolutely stunned that MM have not enabled people that do not have Flash 6 installed (and many corporate/intranet environments won't) to be able to download the CFMX Updater through the non-flash site. Who do they have in quality control? Who tests their useability? For what it's worth the only companies that I know spend more time/money on usability (and that's pretty much just because they HAVE more money) are MS and Apple. Most companies simply don't HAVE a usability team. That being said even the best usability people sometimes either get vetoed, make mistakes or otherwise foul up. However Macromedia is also one of the very few companies that publicizes it's usability processes (MS does to an extent, but not nearly so much). Pointing out a mistake is fine and desirable. But attacking a team (or in this case teams) for making a mistake (especailly a mistake that's already been acknowledged and apologized for) a is just low-class. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
No disrespect to any of the posters, but can we move this thread to the Macromedia-talk list? It's basically a debate about a Macromedia practice (one I got caught in as well) and is basically OT for this tech list. Thanks ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
On 3/25/03, Neil Middleton penned: Although I can happily download CFMX updater 3 from the MM site, I am absolutely stunned that MM have not enabled people that do not have Flash 6 installed (and many corporate/intranet environments won't) to be able to download the CFMX Updater through the non-flash site. True, but they aren't the only ones. Think about how many things you can't do on the Microsoft site(s) without a recent copy of IE. (In fact, saying that, some of their stuff doesn't work even in IE). Lord, the worst argument one can make for ANYTHING is but Microsoft does it. Doesn't that automatically make it sinister? -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
Obviously never worked in a blue chip company :P I know for a fact that when you are supporting 1000+ desktops, each is a mirror image. I know of one company where Flash3 is still the installed version of Flash and you can't do a damm thing about it until they build and test a new desktop image, but in corporate environments Flash is not considered important, so this aspect has never been addressed. So Flash is not something you can download and install as you want. :( -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 March 2003 16:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Ummm...they have said they agree that it's an oversight and they are working to resolve the issue. As far as the Flash plugin goesdownload it and install it ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Adam Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:06 AM Subject: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Although I can happily download CFMX updater 3 from the MM site, I am absolutely stunned that MM have not enabled people that do not have Flash 6 installed (and many corporate/intranet environments won't) to be able to download the CFMX Updater through the non-flash site. Who do they have in quality control? Who tests their useability? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
Generally if called on it? Most netadmins can't give good a reason why flash version is antiquated/disabled. On the other hand, if called about it, its entirely likely that they'll just ignore your good and valid points entirely and say 'it will be made availible in line with deparmtmental policy revisions as required, formal requests for review can be submitted in tripplicate the following 900 locations for inspection. Upon completion of reviews of the reviews of these reviews by a triumvirate or flatulent crack monkeys, presuming of course that it passes the inspection from 3 half blind drunk hobo's dragged in from the streets, I'll think about it when I get time.' Which roughly translates to 'You'll get it when I feel like it'. Not that I'm bitter ; - Original Message - From: Adam Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Obviously never worked in a blue chip company :P I know for a fact that when you are supporting 1000+ desktops, each is a mirror image. I know of one company where Flash3 is still the installed version of Flash and you can't do a damm thing about it until they build and test a new desktop image, but in corporate environments Flash is not considered important, so this aspect has never been addressed. So Flash is not something you can download and install as you want. :( -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 March 2003 16:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Ummm...they have said they agree that it's an oversight and they are working to resolve the issue. As far as the Flash plugin goesdownload it and install it ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Adam Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:06 AM Subject: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Although I can happily download CFMX updater 3 from the MM site, I am absolutely stunned that MM have not enabled people that do not have Flash 6 installed (and many corporate/intranet environments won't) to be able to download the CFMX Updater through the non-flash site. Who do they have in quality control? Who tests their useability? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash
-Original Message- From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia up its own arse over Flash Obviously never worked in a blue chip company :P I know for a fact that when you are supporting 1000+ desktops, each is a mirror image. I know of one company where Flash3 is still the installed version of Flash and you can't do a damm thing about it until they build and test a new desktop image, but in corporate environments Flash is not considered important, so this aspect has never been addressed. So Flash is not something you can download and install as you want. :( Honestly I've never worked in a large company that demanded that kind of adherance to the base image. Sure an image is used to create the machines (actually in most cases I've seen the vendor does this, Dell or Compaq or whomever) but after control is often left to the end user. On the other hand medium sized-companies often seem to do this. I assume it's because they're moving towards consolidation. But when the company gets REALLY big there's just no way to manage that many disparate needs. So you either play a losing game of custom image or give up some control. Of course the by line is always support only for supported platforms and that works for the vast majority of business and support personel, but us tech geeks just always gotta be thorns... My company (and it's children) has on the order of 13,000-17,000 machines... There are published standards and images, but not much in the way of post install restrictions. I've also worked at three... No four other companies of similair or smaller sizes that also didn't lock down like this. I dunno - maybe it's just the insurance industry. ;^) Of course there ARE many companies that DO just what you described - but to make a blanket statement just isn't right. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
