Re: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-30 Thread Peter Tilbrook
There is always the open source ColdCalendar. Admittedly I haven't touched it 
for ages. Go for it - just don't SELL anything you do with it without letting 
me know first.

http://www.coldgen.com/

In fact it has a misnomer (an office in/out application).

Check out open source that you can use for bagging every Calendar app first at 
least.

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Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Jeff Small
It's an event calendar and I'm totally cool with inserting an event 
giving it a date and time, and outputting it ordered by date. Cake.

No worries there...

However, my frickin head starts to explode when I start taking into account 
every frickin' possible way to add an event, especially when I look at this 
client's current list of events. There are events that are once a week, 
some are on say, the first and third monday, then others are every 
wednesday, etc. It's those recurring weirdly scheduled events that are 
causing me the most consternation. It just seems like if you take into 
account one way to do recurrence, some other way creeps in, and you've got 
to make another exception, then you start to feel like you're cobbling 
together code and slowly moving further and further away from a manageable 
application.

Are there easy to use, easy to implement CF based calendars out there that I 
could use instead? Or is this easy enough to write yourself, but you've got 
maybe do certain things that I'm overlooking?

Has anyone had to approach this problem of creating an easy to use, 
updateable, calendar that can spit out dates and gives the end user the 
ability to insert more than just a single event on a single day? Something 
even *approaching* robust?

Anyone have any pointers, examples, code tutorials, anything that can make 
this a little easier to accomplish?

--
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LHWH Advertising
Myrtle Beach, SC 29577
843-448-1123 Ext 254 



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RE: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Peterson, Andrew S.
www.springfieldfirst.com/calendar.zip has the capacity to add events
every day, every other day, every third day, every week, every other
week, every third week, every month, every other month, every third
month, every sixth month, every year, and every other year for a
repeatable duration from one day to 6 years. Hope it helps.

 
Sincerely,
 
Andrew


-Original Message-
From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

It's an event calendar and I'm totally cool with inserting an event 
giving it a date and time, and outputting it ordered by date. Cake.

No worries there...

However, my frickin head starts to explode when I start taking into
account every frickin' possible way to add an event, especially when I
look at this client's current list of events. There are events that
are once a week, some are on say, the first and third monday, then
others are every wednesday, etc. It's those recurring weirdly scheduled
events that are causing me the most consternation. It just seems like if
you take into account one way to do recurrence, some other way creeps
in, and you've got to make another exception, then you start to feel
like you're cobbling together code and slowly moving further and further
away from a manageable application.

Are there easy to use, easy to implement CF based calendars out there
that I could use instead? Or is this easy enough to write yourself, but
you've got maybe do certain things that I'm overlooking?

Has anyone had to approach this problem of creating an easy to use,
updateable, calendar that can spit out dates and gives the end user
the ability to insert more than just a single event on a single day?
Something even *approaching* robust?

Anyone have any pointers, examples, code tutorials, anything that can
make this a little easier to accomplish?

--
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LHWH Advertising
Myrtle Beach, SC 29577
843-448-1123 Ext 254 





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RE: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Dawson, Michael
If your client has a groupware server, (Exchange, Groupwise, etc), you
could tap into those resources.

We use Outlook/Exchange.  I built an ASP-based solution that pulls data
from Exchange and stores it in a SQL database.  Then, our web sites pull
from the database for the presentation.

The calendar admins can use any of the supported recurring appointment
types and Exchange just outputs the events on the chosen dates.

It works great.

M!ke 

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

It's an event calendar and I'm totally cool with inserting an event 
giving it a date and time, and outputting it ordered by date. Cake.

No worries there...

However, my frickin head starts to explode when I start taking into
account every frickin' possible way to add an event, especially when I
look at this client's current list of events. There are events that
are once a week, some are on say, the first and third monday, then
others are every wednesday, etc. It's those recurring weirdly scheduled
events that are causing me the most consternation. It just seems like if
you take into account one way to do recurrence, some other way creeps
in, and you've got to make another exception, then you start to feel
like you're cobbling together code and slowly moving further and further
away from a manageable application.

Are there easy to use, easy to implement CF based calendars out there
that I could use instead? Or is this easy enough to write yourself, but
you've got maybe do certain things that I'm overlooking?

Has anyone had to approach this problem of creating an easy to use,
updateable, calendar that can spit out dates and gives the end user
the ability to insert more than just a single event on a single day?
Something even *approaching* robust?

Anyone have any pointers, examples, code tutorials, anything that can
make this a little easier to accomplish?

--
Jeff Small
LHWH Advertising
Myrtle Beach, SC 29577
843-448-1123 Ext 254 

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Re: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Matt Robertson
On 11/29/05, Peterson, Andrew S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 www.springfieldfirst.com/calendar.zip has the capacity to add events
 every day, every other day, every third day, every week, every other
 week, every third week, every month, every other month, every third
 month, every sixth month, every year, and every other year for a
 repeatable duration from one day to 6 years. Hope it helps.

Yowza.

I took a look at that code and its licensed for non commercial use
only.  While I do some NFP work most of it is commercial, so no go for
me, BUT...

If working your own calendar, why not approach the issue of recurrence
methodically and create something that has a host of options pre-built
in, like the above?  User gets an Add Event form that has a drop-down
with the boatload of options of your choice, which in turn leads to a
cfswitch that neatly handles each desired interval to the desired
length of repetition?  Use a mini popup calendar view for picking
start date and stop date?

A lot of legwork but from a conceptual standpoint is fairly straightforward.

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RE: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Damien McKenna
I wrote an events manager.  I ended up splitting up the database
structure to handle once date-specific (16th-19th) events versus
day-specific (every second Tuesday).  Then just use some of the built-in
functions and those from cflib to compile it all for display.  I took a
bit of an easy approach though, I don't have a calendar display but it
shouldn't take too much effort to get to there from where I am now.

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RE: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Russ
We've just overhauled our calendaring up to support recurring events.  We
just took the interface from outlook, and stored all that data in the events
table.  Then we have a separate table to store the eventDates (and it's just
3 fields, eventDateId, eventID and eventDate).  When I save the event, I
update the eventDate table and insert every date that the event falls on.
So if it recurrs every third tues until next year, I loop monthly until next
year and store every event date.  I believe this is far more efficient then
calculating it on the fly.  I got some functions off cflib to calculate
things like third tues of the month, etc.   

The only problem I foresee is when an event has no end date.  But in that
case, I'll probably pick some crazy date in the future and make that my stop
date.   

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From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

I wrote an events manager.  I ended up splitting up the database structure
to handle once date-specific (16th-19th) events versus day-specific (every
second Tuesday).  Then just use some of the built-in functions and those
from cflib to compile it all for display.  I took a bit of an easy approach
though, I don't have a calendar display but it shouldn't take too much
effort to get to there from where I am now.

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RE: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
 User gets an Add Event form that has a drop-down
 with the boatload of options of your choice, which in turn leads to a
 cfswitch that neatly handles each desired interval to the desired
 length of repetition?

Boy, Matt, I'd love to see the code that processes all the
options in that drop-down...got any of it handy?  I was trying to go
down this road once before with my calendars, but found the code
(not CF code...don't remember what it was) that handles the calculations
to be too demanding to take time to figure out.  Thankfully, I haven't
had any clients that demanded that much functionality...yet...

Maybe some of you code guru's could post one piece of code at
a time...like Here's the code that calculates every 3rd Monday of the
month...  Kind of like a short-installment tutorial...

Rick


 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:14 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...
 
 
 On 11/29/05, Peterson, Andrew S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  www.springfieldfirst.com/calendar.zip has the capacity to add events
  every day, every other day, every third day, every week, every other
  week, every third week, every month, every other month, every third
  month, every sixth month, every year, and every other year for a
  repeatable duration from one day to 6 years. Hope it helps.
 
 Yowza.
 
 I took a look at that code and its licensed for non commercial use
 only.  While I do some NFP work most of it is commercial, so no go for
 me, BUT...
 
 If working your own calendar, why not approach the issue of recurrence
 methodically and create something that has a host of options pre-built
 in, like the above?  User gets an Add Event form that has a drop-down
 with the boatload of options of your choice, which in turn leads to a
 cfswitch that neatly handles each desired interval to the desired
 length of repetition?  Use a mini popup calendar view for picking
 start date and stop date?
 
 A lot of legwork but from a conceptual standpoint is fairly 
 straightforward.
 
 --
 --mattRobertson--
 Janitor, MSB Web Systems
 mysecretbase.com
 
 

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Re: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Josh Nathanson
I have a web application that is very robust, you could resell it to your 
client.  Does all the recurring events and then some. No download or 
installation needed.

http://www.calabunga.com

As low as $2.95/month if you are the only admin, $5.95/month for multi-admin 
functionality.

-- Josh Nathanson


- Original Message - 
From: Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:20 AM
Subject: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...


 It's an event calendar and I'm totally cool with inserting an event
 giving it a date and time, and outputting it ordered by date. Cake.

 No worries there...

 However, my frickin head starts to explode when I start taking into 
 account
 every frickin' possible way to add an event, especially when I look at 
 this
 client's current list of events. There are events that are once a week,
 some are on say, the first and third monday, then others are every
 wednesday, etc. It's those recurring weirdly scheduled events that are
 causing me the most consternation. It just seems like if you take into
 account one way to do recurrence, some other way creeps in, and you've got
 to make another exception, then you start to feel like you're cobbling
 together code and slowly moving further and further away from a manageable
 application.

 Are there easy to use, easy to implement CF based calendars out there that 
 I
 could use instead? Or is this easy enough to write yourself, but you've 
 got
 maybe do certain things that I'm overlooking?

 Has anyone had to approach this problem of creating an easy to use,
 updateable, calendar that can spit out dates and gives the end user the
 ability to insert more than just a single event on a single day? Something
 even *approaching* robust?

 Anyone have any pointers, examples, code tutorials, anything that can make
 this a little easier to accomplish?

 --
 Jeff Small
 LHWH Advertising
 Myrtle Beach, SC 29577
 843-448-1123 Ext 254



 

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Re: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Matt Robertson
On 11/29/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Boy, Matt, I'd love to see the code that processes all the
 options in that drop-down...got any of it handy?

I was just sayin' that it sounded like a reasonable way to go about
the task.  I hadn't actually written anything.  However I have a slow
afternoon and need to brush up on my date functions, so here's one,
formatted as text for easy presentation

http://mysecretbase.com/dateswitch.txt

What I wrote here covers just reminders at 1-7 day intervals, and
includes a date-based end date which will terminate the event build if
the selected number of repeats goes past the designated stop date, and
a skip interval (as in every three days, but skip one or more three
day periods in between).

This is just the 'daily' case of the cfswitch, and yes it allows you
to select intervals that are a little zany, but if your philosophy is
to let users select whatever the heck they want no matter how crazy,
this is in that direction.

Other cases for the switch would be

named days -- Every Monday, every other Monday, every third Tuesday
etc. (using the same skip interval idea),

Numbered days -- The 23rd of every month.

Specific days -- first Monday of every month.  First and third
Tuesday.  That sort of thing.

annual dates -- birthdays and such

CF and cflib together would let you do all sorts of things.  First
business day of every month, for example.

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RE: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks for the pseudo-code, Matt.  I'll study that and
see if I can wrap my brain around your approach...

Rick


 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:05 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...
 
 
 On 11/29/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Boy, Matt, I'd love to see the code that processes all the
  options in that drop-down...got any of it handy?
 
 I was just sayin' that it sounded like a reasonable way to go about
 the task.  I hadn't actually written anything.  However I have a slow
 afternoon and need to brush up on my date functions, so here's one,
 formatted as text for easy presentation
 
 http://mysecretbase.com/dateswitch.txt
 
 What I wrote here covers just reminders at 1-7 day intervals, and
 includes a date-based end date which will terminate the event build if
 the selected number of repeats goes past the designated stop date, and
 a skip interval (as in every three days, but skip one or more three
 day periods in between).
 
 This is just the 'daily' case of the cfswitch, and yes it allows you
 to select intervals that are a little zany, but if your philosophy is
 to let users select whatever the heck they want no matter how crazy,
 this is in that direction.
 
 Other cases for the switch would be
 
 named days -- Every Monday, every other Monday, every third Tuesday
 etc. (using the same skip interval idea),
 
 Numbered days -- The 23rd of every month.
 
 Specific days -- first Monday of every month.  First and third
 Tuesday.  That sort of thing.
 
 annual dates -- birthdays and such
 
 CF and cflib together would let you do all sorts of things.  First
 business day of every month, for example.
 
 -
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 Janitor, MSB Web Systems
 mysecretbase.com
 
 

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Re: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Matt Robertson
On 11/29/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks for the pseudo-code, Matt.

That code actually runs :-)

The idea is that the switch is a self-contained processor of sorts. 
Each case handles a different class of reminder (one of which I
duplicated in my last email when describing options) :-).  If someone
comes up with a whole new breed of cat, you can add another case
without ripping apart the rest of your (working) code.

Design and organization of the input process so it doesn't
overwhelm/confuse the user is as critical as processing the inputs.

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RE: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...

2005-11-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
Ok...good.  Thanks for the real code...  ;o)

Rick


 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:51 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Man, I'm just really banging my head over this one...
 
 
 On 11/29/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks for the pseudo-code, Matt.
 
 That code actually runs :-)
 
 The idea is that the switch is a self-contained processor of sorts. 
 Each case handles a different class of reminder (one of which I
 duplicated in my last email when describing options) :-).  If someone
 comes up with a whole new breed of cat, you can add another case
 without ripping apart the rest of your (working) code.
 
 Design and organization of the input process so it doesn't
 overwhelm/confuse the user is as critical as processing the inputs.
 
 --
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 Janitor, MSB Web Systems
 mysecretbase.com
 
 

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