Re: Mass email marketing
UBE = Unsolicited Bulk Email AKA SPAM. No, because smart people rightly don't trust them to remove and in fact consider them honey pots for collecting/validating emails to be used for other mass mailings. No honor among thieves! End users call me all the time about Does this sound legit for spam. I give them the same thing I say about telemarketing, Are you going to reward them for hassling you?. Read the privacy policy it probably uses double speak to get around the checking of DND box. =) Right, they're making you work to get around them. Send 'em a bill for your labor! rant Forrester campaign here in NJ got a NO vote from me just based on their handling of UBE sent to me. Can't elect a schlep that use UBE because he'd never sign-off on anti-spam legislation. /rant At 12:29 PM 11/13/2002, Jeffry Houser wrote: I'll ask a different question. Is E-mail marketing viewed as being different than SPAM? How about unsolicited E-mail marketing? Do people feel differently if contacted a single time by a legit business with a valid return E-mail address than if they are contacted by some porn site with a hotmail / yahoo account? I have an associate who is starting a recording studio business and E-mailed a bunch of local bands unsolicited. I was given the impression he got a good response from that. When you vote on the CFDJ reader awards, and select do not contact me checkbox and they go ahead and contact you anyway, does that constitute SPAM? ( It happened to three friends who were nice enough to vote for my book in the Best Book category ) On Halloween, I deleted all of my SPAM deletion filters under the assumption they weren't working. Since then I started creating new filters, that move everything SPAM into a SPAM folder. I have received 248 SPAM messages since Halloween. I created 112 filters just for SPAM domains. Joshua MacCraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jmaccraw ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Mass email marketing
When you get 50+ a day, it get's a bit old weeding through good mail and deleting the bad. At 12:53 PM 11/13/2002, William Wheatley wrote: like is said the anti spam fanatics ;) who blow off more hot steam complaining then it takes to hit delete lol Joshua MacCraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jmaccraw ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Mass email marketing
it gets even older, when someone starts up a thread that ended yesterday and even after Michael said not to post on this anymore. did people stop reading full threads before posting? please sort by subject before you reply to something. same goes for the newsgroup thread. sorry, had to say it, i won't post on this one again. -Original Message- From: warpmedia [mailto:warpmedia;comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Mass email marketing When you get 50+ a day, it get's a bit old weeding through good mail and deleting the bad. At 12:53 PM 11/13/2002, William Wheatley wrote: like is said the anti spam fanatics ;) who blow off more hot steam complaining then it takes to hit delete lol Joshua MacCraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jmaccraw ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
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Well excuse the hell out me no I don't always read every thread to it's end before reacting to an individual statement/argument. At 11:13 AM 11/14/2002, Trotsky, Seth wrote: it gets even older, when someone starts up a thread that ended yesterday and even after Michael said not to post on this anymore. did people stop reading full threads before posting? please sort by subject before you reply to something. same goes for the newsgroup thread. sorry, had to say it, i won't post on this one again. -Original Message- From: warpmedia [mailto:warpmedia;comcast.net] When you get 50+ a day, it get's a bit old weeding through good mail and deleting the bad. Joshua MacCraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jmaccraw ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
OT: Mass email marketing
Folks, I need some solid information on mass email marketing. If anyone has some experience in this area and would like to share some general advice, please email me off-list. I have a client who thinks he's going to make a million on a Spam campaign for coffee g. -Mark ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Mass email marketing
It might be worth pointing the client to a recent article in Time: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,110102-386956,00.html At least he'd get a more realistic, general picture -- Kelly Tetterton duoDesign -- Technical Lead Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer Internet design, technology and marketing 847-491-3000 | main 847-491-3100 | fax 847-491-7125 | direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.duoDesign.com -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:mkruger;cfwebtools.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Mass email marketing Folks, I need some solid information on mass email marketing. If anyone has some experience in this area and would like to share some general advice, please email me off-list. I have a client who thinks he's going to make a million on a Spam campaign for coffee g. -Mark ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Mass email marketing
Kelly, Thanks - that's helpful. -mk -Original Message- From: Kelly Tetterton [mailto:ktetterton;duodesign.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Mass email marketing It might be worth pointing the client to a recent article in Time: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,110102-386956,00.html At least he'd get a more realistic, general picture -- Kelly Tetterton duoDesign -- Technical Lead Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer Internet design, technology and marketing 847-491-3000 | main 847-491-3100 | fax 847-491-7125 | direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.duoDesign.com -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:mkruger;cfwebtools.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Mass email marketing Folks, I need some solid information on mass email marketing. If anyone has some experience in this area and would like to share some general advice, please email me off-list. I have a client who thinks he's going to make a million on a Spam campaign for coffee g. -Mark ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Mass email marketing
Spam makes money ;) Just do it legally and honor removes and don't try to spoof and you will stay within the law. Of course when you start doing any bulk email you get the antispam fanatics into a fuss. But on the general Mass Email Marketing is very productive and can generate alot of money at very low cost. I can send you some server setup recommendations if you want as to how to send the most for the least amount of time or bandwidth and how to keep all messages customized and easily track email addresses so you can remove people even whent hey are behind spamcop or such or even to work the message enough to get through 99% of spam filters. But in all reality if you're not being a jerk and are actually sending real offers to real people and you honor removes and dont flood peoples mail servers too much (like with hotmail send every 4 hours, same with yahoo) you should be fine. And you might want to switch your domain name you will mail the offers from to something like registerfly.com which is mass email friendly. Some registerents will shut you off for sending bulk email so becareful. If you want anymore thoughts just give me an email offlist - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:01 AM Subject: RE: Mass email marketing Kelly, Thanks - that's helpful. -mk -Original Message- From: Kelly Tetterton [mailto:ktetterton;duodesign.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Mass email marketing It might be worth pointing the client to a recent article in Time: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,110102-386956,00.html At least he'd get a more realistic, general picture -- Kelly Tetterton duoDesign -- Technical Lead Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer Internet design, technology and marketing 847-491-3000 | main 847-491-3100 | fax 847-491-7125 | direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.duoDesign.com -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:mkruger;cfwebtools.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Mass email marketing Folks, I need some solid information on mass email marketing. If anyone has some experience in this area and would like to share some general advice, please email me off-list. I have a client who thinks he's going to make a million on a Spam campaign for coffee g. -Mark ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Mass email marketing
When doing mass mailings in CF via CFMAIL I do a couple of things to keep from getting black flagged by MSN and AOL: 1. Send email messages as individual items via a routine that throttles down the send rate. Blasting out hundreds of messages to AOL accts in an instant caused them to clamp down on one of my clients and deny mail with 'unknown recipient' messages for a short period of time. Same thing happened to their hotmail-using members. I use a rate of 14400 per hour (60 msgs every 15 seconds). Obviously not so great for really big stuff. No idea what any sort of upper threshold is. 2. Use cfmailparam to prop up cfmail's crummy header info. Before using these my own server side anti-spam software failed cfmail messages on two tests. cfmailparam name=Reply-To value=#senderaddress# cfmailparam name=Message-ID value=#CreateUUID()##validemailservername# --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:mkruger;cfwebtools.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Mass email marketing Folks, I need some solid information on mass email marketing. If anyone has some experience in this area and would like to share some general advice, please email me off-list. I have a client who thinks he's going to make a million on a Spam campaign for coffee g. -Mark ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
Re: Mass email marketing
as much as i love CF :) It didnt have the speed to do what i needed. Closest thing was Howies Software which was very good but we didnt have time to wait for his newest version. - Original Message - From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: RE: Mass email marketing When doing mass mailings in CF via CFMAIL I do a couple of things to keep from getting black flagged by MSN and AOL: 1. Send email messages as individual items via a routine that throttles down the send rate. Blasting out hundreds of messages to AOL accts in an instant caused them to clamp down on one of my clients and deny mail with 'unknown recipient' messages for a short period of time. Same thing happened to their hotmail-using members. I use a rate of 14400 per hour (60 msgs every 15 seconds). Obviously not so great for really big stuff. No idea what any sort of upper threshold is. 2. Use cfmailparam to prop up cfmail's crummy header info. Before using these my own server side anti-spam software failed cfmail messages on two tests. cfmailparam name=Reply-To value=#senderaddress# cfmailparam name=Message-ID value=#CreateUUID()#@#validemailservername# --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:mkruger;cfwebtools.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Mass email marketing Folks, I need some solid information on mass email marketing. If anyone has some experience in this area and would like to share some general advice, please email me off-list. I have a client who thinks he's going to make a million on a Spam campaign for coffee g. -Mark ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: Mass email marketing
If he does that, I will be among the many who will work very hard to get him shut down and lose his provider. You might advise the client to closely peruse the Terms of Service at whatever provider he chooses. = Douglas White group Manager mailto:doug;samcfug.org http://www.samcfug.org = - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: OT: Mass email marketing | Folks, | | I need some solid information on mass email marketing. If anyone has some experience in this area and would like to | share some general advice, please email me off-list. I have a client who thinks he's going to make a million on a Spam | campaign for coffee g. | | -Mark | | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Mass email marketing
I'll ask a different question. Is E-mail marketing viewed as being different than SPAM? How about unsolicited E-mail marketing? Do people feel differently if contacted a single time by a legit business with a valid return E-mail address than if they are contacted by some porn site with a hotmail / yahoo account? I have an associate who is starting a recording studio business and E-mailed a bunch of local bands unsolicited. I was given the impression he got a good response from that. When you vote on the CFDJ reader awards, and select do not contact me checkbox and they go ahead and contact you anyway, does that constitute SPAM? ( It happened to three friends who were nice enough to vote for my book in the Best Book category ) On Halloween, I deleted all of my SPAM deletion filters under the assumption they weren't working. Since then I started creating new filters, that move everything SPAM into a SPAM folder. I have received 248 SPAM messages since Halloween. I created 112 filters just for SPAM domains. At 11:19 AM 11/13/2002 -0600, you wrote: If he does that, I will be among the many who will work very hard to get him shut down and lose his provider. You might advise the client to closely peruse the Terms of Service at whatever provider he chooses. = Douglas White group Manager mailto:doug;samcfug.org http://www.samcfug.org = - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: OT: Mass email marketing | Folks, | | I need some solid information on mass email marketing. If anyone has some experience in this area and would like to | share some general advice, please email me off-list. I have a client who thinks he's going to make a million on a Spam | campaign for coffee g. | | -Mark | | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Mass email marketing
Yes. To me E-mail marketing = Spam. If I need your product I'll look for it. I don't get quite enough advertising form billboards, radio, tv, banner ads, t-shirts, and snail-mail marketing. I sure enjoy a bunch of unsolicited junk in my email account. Yeah! When I get unsolicited E-mail, I make note of the company, and try to never purchase any of their products or go to any of their events. -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:jeff;farcryfly.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Mass email marketing I'll ask a different question. Is E-mail marketing viewed as being different than SPAM? How about unsolicited E-mail marketing? Do people feel differently if contacted a single time by a legit business with a valid return E-mail address than if they are contacted by some porn site with a hotmail / yahoo account? I have an associate who is starting a recording studio business and E-mailed a bunch of local bands unsolicited. I was given the impression he got a good response from that. When you vote on the CFDJ reader awards, and select do not contact me checkbox and they go ahead and contact you anyway, does that constitute SPAM? ( It happened to three friends who were nice enough to vote for my book in the Best Book category ) On Halloween, I deleted all of my SPAM deletion filters under the assumption they weren't working. Since then I started creating new filters, that move everything SPAM into a SPAM folder. I have received 248 SPAM messages since Halloween. I created 112 filters just for SPAM domains. At 11:19 AM 11/13/2002 -0600, you wrote: If he does that, I will be among the many who will work very hard to get him shut down and lose his provider. You might advise the client to closely peruse the Terms of Service at whatever provider he chooses. = Douglas White group Manager mailto:doug;samcfug.org http://www.samcfug.org = - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: OT: Mass email marketing | Folks, | | I need some solid information on mass email marketing. If anyone has some experience in this area and would like to | share some general advice, please email me off-list. I have a client who thinks he's going to make a million on a Spam | campaign for coffee g. | | -Mark | | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Mass email marketing
I've convinced him to go OPT-IN only and verify. I hate unsolicited spam as much as the next guy. So I guess marketing is a better term (still feels like spam to me - I think I need a shower g). -mk -Original Message- From: samcfug [mailto:doug;samcfug.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Mass email marketing If he does that, I will be among the many who will work very hard to get him shut down and lose his provider. You might advise the client to closely peruse the Terms of Service at whatever provider he chooses. = Douglas White group Manager mailto:doug;samcfug.org http://www.samcfug.org = - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: OT: Mass email marketing | Folks, | | I need some solid information on mass email marketing. If anyone has some experience in this area and would like to | share some general advice, please email me off-list. I have a client who thinks he's going to make a million on a Spam | campaign for coffee g. | | -Mark | | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
Mass email marketing
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Re: Mass email marketing
At 12:55 PM 11/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: Jeffry Houser wrote: Is E-mail marketing viewed as being different than SPAM? If someone markets to me on an email list that I've signed up for, it's email marketing, but it's not SPAM. If they market to me and I haven't asked for them to email me, then it's SPAM. I will accept that distinction. ;) It makes sense to me. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:jeff;farcryfly.com DotComIt, Putting you on the web AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My CFMX Book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072225564/instantcoldfu-20 My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
