Re: [OT, Python Quote] Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
To be blunt and i've been on Plum since i think adam invited me ages past, I really dig the concept and cannot fault it for what its achieved. I do however hold back in reservation as simply put: I don't have the time or energy to inherit something ontop of a language that has its own set of problems and issues. I've been thinking a lot as of late on what i expect out of a framework or extension if you will via the WEB/COLDFUSION and in the end I just want something light thats agile enough for me to bolt on anything when it comes to the innerds. Mach-II is much much more agile then plum in regards to ease of use and comparing the two is like apples and plums (hehe couldn't resist). PLUM in many ways is like a Developers CMS / IDE for automated mundane tasks that we do day in day out and lets face it, get sick of rolling. When given a project i tend to want to get straight into the hard part, but like my Guidance Counselor in high school once said do the easy tasks first, then come back and do the hard ones last as if you run out of time, you have gotten more work done in the end didn't understand at the time but daily in CFMX i find myself having to put in stupid time to get to the point of writing the hard stuff and by this time (I'm sure others would agree) you're basically over the concept. PLUM by appearances (i'm only 1 project in so i reserve the right to change my un-informed opinion) seems to fast track you through the crappy tasks and focus on the guts of it all. I am still hanging out for the day when i can put together an XML based concept that automates my view/presenter/partial model allowing me time and energy to focus on the integration part(s) server-side. As thats where the money is needed the most. FLEX offers that in some way, and PLUM seems to hint and being in many ways a similiar alternative (sure technologies are different). So yeah Mach-II is different in so many ways and i wouldn't bother trying to compare the two. (PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS AN IGNORANT OPINION, I'VE USED IT ON AND OFF BUT I CAN HONESTLY SAY, I HAVE MORE WORK AHEAD OF ME IN ITS USE hehehe). -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195351 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
-Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] what are the selling points for Plum that would pull someone like myself from Fusebox over to Plum or maybe not even over to but rather in addition to? I guess another way of asking this would be: How does the Plum framework compare to Fusebox 4.1 or Mach-II in terms of functionality and extensibility of the core framework (excluding all the extra modules, I'm thinking of the core)? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195195 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
I may be off in some details, but it really doesn't. From what I've seen Plum is basically a code generator. There's not much of a framework to it. I diddled with it for a little while, and the 'framework' is more a set of custom tags that make it easier to build forms, do validation, master/detail pages, etc. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's what I got out of it. -Joe On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:42:53 -0500, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] what are the selling points for Plum that would pull someone like myself from Fusebox over to Plum or maybe not even over to but rather in addition to? I guess another way of asking this would be: How does the Plum framework compare to Fusebox 4.1 or Mach-II in terms of functionality and extensibility of the core framework (excluding all the extra modules, I'm thinking of the core)? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195210 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
From what I've seen Plum is basically a code generator. There's not much of a framework to it. I diddled with it for a little while, and the 'framework' is more a set of custom tags that make it easier to build forms, do validation, master/detail pages, etc. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's what I got out of it. You're missing 90% of Plum, Joe. Plum is a *very* extensive product, and has about 400 pages of documentation that accompany it. The custom tag library is but a small part of Plum. The Plum Framework does quite a lot, I assure you. Read the documentation in detail (if you have the time) and you'll see what I mean. Code generation and custom tags are just a small part of Plum. There is a lot to Plum, yes, but there is also a lot to the .NET Framework and J2EE, and you'd need to learn what each of these can really do in order to make accurate assessments about them. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195225 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
How does the Plum framework compare to Fusebox 4.1 or Mach-II in terms of functionality and extensibility of the core framework (excluding all the extra modules, I'm thinking of the core)? Plum does quite a bit more in its core framework than either Fusebox or Mach-ii. The best way for everyone to assess this is to download and install Plum, then thorooughly read the Plum documentation. There's a lot there, but that's what will answer your questions. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195226 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
You're missing 90% of Plum, Joe. Adam, you're very much underestimating what I've done with Plum. I wouldn't talk about it if I hadn't looked at it in great detail. I've probably looked at the docs more extensively than most of your users, examined the custom tag library, used tools like the component and storedproc generator, read the Plum methodology (I think FLiP has you beat), and I can even tell you what Help node is simply labelled Psych!. I took a great interest in Plum in its Beta stages because it similar to something I was thinking of releasing. This post asked for a comparison between Plum and other frameworks / tools. I wouldn't add my opinion if I didn't feel I was informed enough to have one. I'm probably in a better place to compare FB and Plum than most users of either. Because my opinion doesn't match yours is no reason to call me ignorant or uninformed. -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195256 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
I also tried Plum during the beta phase. I didn't like it...then again, I don't like lobster either. (and in both cases, I don't get all the hype) On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:23:26 -0500, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're missing 90% of Plum, Joe. Adam, you're very much underestimating what I've done with Plum. I wouldn't talk about it if I hadn't looked at it in great detail. I've probably looked at the docs more extensively than most of your users, examined the custom tag library, used tools like the component and storedproc generator, read the Plum methodology (I think FLiP has you beat), and I can even tell you what Help node is simply labelled Psych!. I took a great interest in Plum in its Beta stages because it similar to something I was thinking of releasing. This post asked for a comparison between Plum and other frameworks / tools. I wouldn't add my opinion if I didn't feel I was informed enough to have one. I'm probably in a better place to compare FB and Plum than most users of either. Because my opinion doesn't match yours is no reason to call me ignorant or uninformed. -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195302 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:53:51 -0500, Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best way for everyone to assess this is to download and install Plum, then thorooughly read the Plum documentation. Assuming you are running a Windows machine with .NET installed... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195319 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:23:26 -0500, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because my opinion doesn't match yours is no reason to call me ignorant or uninformed. I have to say that Adam's habit of jumping on anyone who dares to criticize Plum is getting a bit tiring. I made some comments about it and he jumped straight down my throat (and later he apologized). Adam, I think you need to chill a bit dude. Plum is not for everyone. Fusebox is not for everyone. Mach II is not for everyone. Don't get upset when some people say they don't like what Plum does or doesn't do for them. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195320 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
Follow the gourd! No, Follow the sandal! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195323 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
[OT, Python Quote] Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
We are all individuals. I'm not! On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:59:35 +0800, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Follow the gourd! No, Follow the sandal! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195334 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
