Re: AOL mayheim

[Mooner Ent]

> the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
> membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

Don't do this part!! They will require your credit card number, you'll
cancel the account before the trial is over, and then your credit card will
be billed until you find the correct 800 number to call them. Then you'll
argue with some one for a while. Your credit card will then be credited a
few months later. I've seen this happen time and again. Yet another reason I
hate AOL.

If you haven't already goto http://webmaster.aol.com/ and read their own
account on how fouled up they are.

I missed the original post, but one idea to help caching problems is to add
a unique number to your query string and have it change for each page.

Rick



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Re: AOL mayheim

[tom muck]

The number of AOL users is far greater than the number of Netscape users, and
web developers are jumping through hoops to be compatible with those users.  It
seems logical to test everything on AOL as well.

Also, you can get an unlimited AOL account for 9.95/month if you access it
through an ISP.

tom

- Original Message -
From: "Gregory Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: AOL mayheim


Granted that at a former job, a big majority of customers for a website were AOL
people, we decided that to test our sites, we'd bite the bullet, pay the
$21.95/month and see how our sites looked through AOL's eyes.  It wasn't pretty,
especially when that test account was actually hacked once, but we considered it
a necessary evil.  To AOL: PLESEEE find another way

Gregory Harris
Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: AOL mayheim

[Gregory Harris]

Granted that at a former job, a big majority of customers for a website were AOL 
people, we decided that to test our sites, we'd bite the bullet, pay the $21.95/month 
and see how our sites looked through AOL's eyes.  It wasn't pretty, especially when 
that test account was actually hacked once, but we considered it a necessary evil.  To 
AOL: PLESEEE find another way

Gregory Harris
Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11 10:08 AM >>>
> the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
> membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

Don't do this part!! They will require your credit card number, you'll
cancel the account before the trial is over, and then your credit card will
be billed until you find the correct 800 number to call them. Then you'll
argue with some one for a while. Your credit card will then be credited a
few months later. I've seen this happen time and again. Yet another reason I
hate AOL.

If you haven't already goto http://webmaster.aol.com/ and read their own
account on how fouled up they are.

I missed the original post, but one idea to help caching problems is to add
a unique number to your query string and have it change for each page.

Rick




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Re: AOL mayheim

[Mooner Ent]

> the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
> membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

Don't do this part!! They will require your credit card number, you'll
cancel the account before the trial is over, and then your credit card will
be billed until you find the correct 800 number to call them. Then you'll
argue with some one for a while. Your credit card will then be credited a
few months later. I've seen this happen time and again. Yet another reason I
hate AOL.

If you haven't already goto http://webmaster.aol.com/ and read their own
account on how fouled up they are.

I missed the original post, but one idea to help caching problems is to add
a unique number to your query string and have it change for each page.

Rick




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RE: AOL mayheim

[Larry Juncker]

On the contrary Gavin:

The very last note on the page states:

Site administrators may also use HTTP (not HTML META tags) cache control
headers that include the following:


- Cache-Control: no-store
User requested object from originating server

- Cache-Control: no-cache, no-store, private
Originating server has requested no caching

- Pragma: no-cache
Originating server has requested no caching


The specific information for configuring a web server is server-dependent.
However, the "Expires:" header is documented in the HTTP reference
documents, and can be found in the current standard for HTTP/1.0.

Miscellaneous
META HTTP-EQUIV tags in the content of web pages (in either HEAD or BODY)
cannot control the behavior of AOL's proxy caches. The proxy caches do not
read HTML.


Larry Juncker
Senior Cold Fusion Programmer
Heartland Communications Group, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: Gavin Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


so you'd want to do this then? (this is how they have it set up on the
webmaster.info.aol.com)





-Original Message-
From: Kevin Queen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


OK, I have watched this thread for the past two days and am now going to
magically solve the AOL caching issues for everybody.



http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12



Look, if you read the information provided by AOL in their ColdFusion based
webmaster information page they tell you how to cause their servers to not
cache.

P.S. - Has anybody read that book about the Spanish guy named Manuel, it
does help. ;)

Kevin Queen
Software Developer||""||
SyntheticLogic||__||
Atlanta, Ga   [ -=.]
  ===:0~

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-Original Message-
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Boy, that's a tough one.  I'd ask the folks at AOL, to be honest.  Good luck
getting an answer anytime relatively soon, though.  If you are able to get
the stats from them regarding frequency of caching, etc., please do share
the numbers with this list.  I don't target AOL users, nor do I generally
even stop to think about what my site is going to look like to an AOL user,
to be honest.  However, AOL users do represent a large audience, and I
probably should be more concerned about how my clients' sites look to them.
If you discover any tips, tricks, or standard procedures for making a
dynamic site more "AOL friendly", I'd be interested in knowing about it, as
would many other folks on this list I'm sure.  You are correct in your
statement that AOL's problems are not ColdFusion specific, in regards to
their probable inability to cache dynamic sites.  These problems would exist
for any dynamic site technology, not just CF.  Until you get answers from
the folks at AOL, my best advice (if this is a real concern of yours) is to
post a little disclaimer for AOL users stating the possibility of outdated
material and the like, and let them know you're working on it.  Of course,
the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: John Allred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Thanks for this insight, Simon. According to this logic, Cold Fusion would
not be singled out by AOL. It would not be friendly to any server
technology that presents dynamic pages based on database content, including
ASP, PHP, and Domino.

Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
users what they're not seeing.

--John






Simon Horwith


            leaf.com>cc:

 Subject: RE: AOL mayheim

10/10/2000

01:51 PM

Please

respond to

cf-talk








I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember
that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement
that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

Re: AOL mayheim

[Rob Keniger]

on 10/12/00 12:51 AM, Gavin Myers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> OK, I have watched this thread for the past two days and am now going to
> magically solve the AOL caching issues for everybody.

Or you could use what I use, which is to append a random number as a dummy
argument to all urls, thus tricking the proxy cache into thinking all the
pages are different.
eg.

in application.cfm:


in template:

Click here to get the non-cached page


This works perfectly and requires no futzing around with meta tags.

-- 

Rob Keniger

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Re: AOL mayheim

[Deanna L. Schneider]

I think AOL might be doing something funky with their caching servers where
dynamic content is concerned, anyway. AOL is hitting our server every three
seconds. Now, we're not that popular of a site, and it's used mostly by
internal folks (who do not have AOL accounts). AOL said it's because we have
a dynamic site, so they hit it more often. Go figure. (Our server admin did
actually speak to a human at AOL, but as far as I know, the frequency of
hits has not gone down. We've resorted to scheduling our front page to run
once a day and write out as html instead of cfm, to minimize some of the
load on the cf server. But, that only works if your content only changes
daily, like ours.)

-d




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Interactive Media Developer
UWEX Cooperative Extension Electronic Publishing Group
103 Extension Bldg
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RE: AOL mayheim

[Bud]

On 10/11/00, Simon Horwith penned:
>Boy, that's a tough one.  I'd ask the folks at AOL, to be honest.

LOL

They're not even honest with their own webmaster, who is (or was) 
active on this list. I remember him swearing up and down that AOL 
doesn't cache anything with a ? in the URL. He even says that on 
their website.
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RE: AOL mayheim

[Gavin Myers]

so you'd want to do this then? (this is how they have it set up on the
webmaster.info.aol.com)

 



-Original Message-
From: Kevin Queen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


OK, I have watched this thread for the past two days and am now going to
magically solve the AOL caching issues for everybody.



http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12



Look, if you read the information provided by AOL in their ColdFusion based
webmaster information page they tell you how to cause their servers to not
cache.

P.S. - Has anybody read that book about the Spanish guy named Manuel, it
does help. ;)

Kevin Queen
Software Developer||""||
SyntheticLogic||__||
Atlanta, Ga   [ -=.]
  ===:0~

"Ah, I see!", said the blind man to the deaf mute.  -Unknown


-Original Message-
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Boy, that's a tough one.  I'd ask the folks at AOL, to be honest.  Good luck
getting an answer anytime relatively soon, though.  If you are able to get
the stats from them regarding frequency of caching, etc., please do share
the numbers with this list.  I don't target AOL users, nor do I generally
even stop to think about what my site is going to look like to an AOL user,
to be honest.  However, AOL users do represent a large audience, and I
probably should be more concerned about how my clients' sites look to them.
If you discover any tips, tricks, or standard procedures for making a
dynamic site more "AOL friendly", I'd be interested in knowing about it, as
would many other folks on this list I'm sure.  You are correct in your
statement that AOL's problems are not ColdFusion specific, in regards to
their probable inability to cache dynamic sites.  These problems would exist
for any dynamic site technology, not just CF.  Until you get answers from
the folks at AOL, my best advice (if this is a real concern of yours) is to
post a little disclaimer for AOL users stating the possibility of outdated
material and the like, and let them know you're working on it.  Of course,
the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: John Allred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Thanks for this insight, Simon. According to this logic, Cold Fusion would
not be singled out by AOL. It would not be friendly to any server
technology that presents dynamic pages based on database content, including
ASP, PHP, and Domino.

Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
users what they're not seeing.

--John






Simon Horwith


        leaf.com>cc:

 Subject: RE: AOL mayheim

10/10/2000

01:51 PM

Please

respond to

cf-talk








I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember
that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement
that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you
help us out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


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> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
>
>
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like
> Hotmail to
>

RE: AOL mayheim

[Kevin Queen]

OK, I have watched this thread for the past two days and am now going to
magically solve the AOL caching issues for everybody.



http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12



Look, if you read the information provided by AOL in their ColdFusion based
webmaster information page they tell you how to cause their servers to not
cache.

P.S. - Has anybody read that book about the Spanish guy named Manuel, it
does help. ;)

Kevin Queen
Software Developer||""||
SyntheticLogic||__||
Atlanta, Ga   [ -=.]
  ===:0~

"Ah, I see!", said the blind man to the deaf mute.  -Unknown


-Original Message-
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Boy, that's a tough one.  I'd ask the folks at AOL, to be honest.  Good luck
getting an answer anytime relatively soon, though.  If you are able to get
the stats from them regarding frequency of caching, etc., please do share
the numbers with this list.  I don't target AOL users, nor do I generally
even stop to think about what my site is going to look like to an AOL user,
to be honest.  However, AOL users do represent a large audience, and I
probably should be more concerned about how my clients' sites look to them.
If you discover any tips, tricks, or standard procedures for making a
dynamic site more "AOL friendly", I'd be interested in knowing about it, as
would many other folks on this list I'm sure.  You are correct in your
statement that AOL's problems are not ColdFusion specific, in regards to
their probable inability to cache dynamic sites.  These problems would exist
for any dynamic site technology, not just CF.  Until you get answers from
the folks at AOL, my best advice (if this is a real concern of yours) is to
post a little disclaimer for AOL users stating the possibility of outdated
material and the like, and let them know you're working on it.  Of course,
the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: John Allred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Thanks for this insight, Simon. According to this logic, Cold Fusion would
not be singled out by AOL. It would not be friendly to any server
technology that presents dynamic pages based on database content, including
ASP, PHP, and Domino.

Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
users what they're not seeing.

--John






Simon Horwith


leaf.com>    cc:

 Subject: RE: AOL mayheim

10/10/2000

01:51 PM

Please

respond to

cf-talk








I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember
that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement
that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you
help us out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


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> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
>
>
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like
> Hotmail to
> single quote instead of doublequotes
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CGI Referrer variable stream and 

RE: AOL mayheim

[Ryan]

>Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
>is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
>will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
>users what they're not seeing.

They have an FAQ on the mentioned developer site that talks about
how their cacheing works, and other things, etc.

RPS

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RE: AOL mayheim

[Simon Horwith]

Boy, that's a tough one.  I'd ask the folks at AOL, to be honest.  Good luck
getting an answer anytime relatively soon, though.  If you are able to get
the stats from them regarding frequency of caching, etc., please do share
the numbers with this list.  I don't target AOL users, nor do I generally
even stop to think about what my site is going to look like to an AOL user,
to be honest.  However, AOL users do represent a large audience, and I
probably should be more concerned about how my clients' sites look to them.
If you discover any tips, tricks, or standard procedures for making a
dynamic site more "AOL friendly", I'd be interested in knowing about it, as
would many other folks on this list I'm sure.  You are correct in your
statement that AOL's problems are not ColdFusion specific, in regards to
their probable inability to cache dynamic sites.  These problems would exist
for any dynamic site technology, not just CF.  Until you get answers from
the folks at AOL, my best advice (if this is a real concern of yours) is to
post a little disclaimer for AOL users stating the possibility of outdated
material and the like, and let them know you're working on it.  Of course,
the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: John Allred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Thanks for this insight, Simon. According to this logic, Cold Fusion would
not be singled out by AOL. It would not be friendly to any server
technology that presents dynamic pages based on database content, including
ASP, PHP, and Domino.

Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
users what they're not seeing.

--John




 

Simon Horwith


leaf.com>    cc:

     Subject: RE: AOL mayheim

10/10/2000

01:51 PM

Please

respond to

cf-talk

 

 




I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember
that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement
that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you
help us out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


--
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Phone: (714) 547-5386
Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289
Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net
Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
>
>
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like
> Hotmail to
> single quote instead of doublequotes
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CGI Referrer variable stream and AOL crap.
>
>
> > >Read up on all the crappy changes like blocked Cold Fusion Application
> > >server, and all that... http://webmaster.info.aol.com/
> >
> > I couldn't find anything here about blocked cold fusion... And I
> > tried searching for 'cold fusion', 'cold', and 'fusion' and still
> > found nothing... If AOL is blocking cfm pages somehow please tell
> > me about it.
> >
> > RPS
> >
> >
>
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RE: AOL mayheim

[John Allred]

Thanks for this insight, Simon. According to this logic, Cold Fusion would
not be singled out by AOL. It would not be friendly to any server
technology that presents dynamic pages based on database content, including
ASP, PHP, and Domino.

Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
users what they're not seeing.

--John




   
 
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I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember
that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement
that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you
help us out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


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> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
>
>
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like
> Hotmail to
> single quote instead of doublequotes
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CGI Referrer variable stream and AOL crap.
>
>
> > >Read up on all the crappy changes like blocked Cold Fusion Application
> > >server, and all that... http://webmaster.info.aol.com/
> >
> > I couldn't find anything here about blocked cold fusion... And I
> > tried searching for 'cold fusion', 'cold', and 'fusion' and still
> > found nothing... If AOL is blocking cfm pages somehow please tell
> > me about it.
> >
> > RPS
> >
> >
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RE: AOL mayheim

[Simon Horwith]

I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you
help us out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


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> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
> 
> 
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like 
> Hotmail to
> single quote instead of doublequotes
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CGI Referrer variable stream and AOL crap.
> 
> 
> > >Read up on all the crappy changes like blocked Cold Fusion Application
> > >server, and all that... http://webmaster.info.aol.com/
> >
> > I couldn't find anything here about blocked cold fusion... And I
> > tried searching for 'cold fusion', 'cold', and 'fusion' and still
> > found nothing... If AOL is blocking cfm pages somehow please tell
> > me about it.
> >
> > RPS
> >
> > 
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RE: AOL mayheim

[Warrick, Mark]

Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you help us 
out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


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> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
> 
> 
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like 
> Hotmail to
> single quote instead of doublequotes
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CGI Referrer variable stream and AOL crap.
> 
> 
> > >Read up on all the crappy changes like blocked Cold Fusion Application
> > >server, and all that... http://webmaster.info.aol.com/
> >
> > I couldn't find anything here about blocked cold fusion... And I
> > tried searching for 'cold fusion', 'cold', and 'fusion' and still
> > found nothing... If AOL is blocking cfm pages somehow please tell
> > me about it.
> >
> > RPS
> >
> > 
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Re: AOL mayheim

[Brian bouldernet]

ServerID shows up in  the header. AOL has blocked this...
- Original Message -
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: AOL mayheim


> At 07:58 10/10/00 -0600, you wrote:
> >You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> >serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like Hotmail
to
> >single quote instead of doublequotes
>
> Can you tell me more about what you are talking about? I am familiar
> with CFMAIL and sending lots of mails in a loop, but have never heard
> of serverid. And when you say it transforms quotes, you mean like just
> in the body of the message? Like "Bob" would come through as 'Bob'?
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
>

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