RE: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest?
I set up a list yesterday for this at http://www.egroups.com/group/AllMac Chris Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Development Consulting http://www.astutia.com Allaire Consulting Partner 210-490-3249/888-745-7603Fax 210-490-4692 AIM: "astutiaweb", ICQ: 7381282 -Original Message- From: Adrian Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest? snip Hi John: What we need is a list service (like these) so that we can discuss all of the merger implication issues among ourselves (and keep it off this list) ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest?
Again, no disrespect, but the CF-Community fits in with the community speaking about this and the CF-Stock fits in with people talking about the financials. A number of posts have gone to the stock list about this already. I set up a list yesterday for this at http://www.egroups.com/group/AllMac Chris Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Development Consulting http://www.astutia.com Allaire Consulting Partner 210-490-3249/888-745-7603Fax 210-490-4692 AIM: "astutiaweb", ICQ: 7381282 -Original Message- From: Adrian Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest? snip Hi John: What we need is a list service (like these) so that we can discuss all of the merger implication issues among ourselves (and keep it off this list) ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest?
- Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 4:42 AM Again, no disrespect, but the CF-Community fits in with the community speaking about this and the CF-Stock fits in with people talking about the financials. Yes - I agree that this list is fine for discussing the merger in general (although some people are finding the moise levels too high it seems), and clearly CF-Stock is the place for financials. But I would_really_like to see a list though_totally_focussed_on ideas and brainstorming on the products, we, as developers, would like to see arise as a result of this great merger. A list which members of staff of the merged Allaire/Macromedia entity can monitor and/or participate in if they like, without having to sift through all of the hundreds of other general posts on the list. We are the companies primary customers, and I am sure they would appreciate knowing what our thoughts and aspirations are for future and new products, rather than having to decide in other ways. I don't know how much would come out of it in tangible terms, if anything, but at least we can throw ideas and suggestions around, and if Macromedia want to take any of them up all well and good. But unless we tell them what we want, they won't know, and at the very least they can't turn round later in retrospect and say we didn't think of that, or we did not know developers wanted that. How about setting up such a list Michael? What do others think? Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest?
- Original Message - From: "Angél Stewart" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:20 PM Their products previously supported both CF AND ASP. But now that they own CF..will their ASP support cease? And if not..how are they going to reconcile supporting a language that competes directly with their acquired asset, Cold Fusion They have to support_both_in the same products and let the developer decide which middleware they prefer to use for an application. This isn't a religious crusade that these companies are embarking on - it's a proper joint commercial venture where they_have_to address the entire market and maximise revenues and profits for those which they answer to - their shareholders. I always use CF over ASP right now wherever possible - it isn't always possible. And then there is the new generation of ASP for M$.NET - Macromedia_have_to support that or fail. There have been occasions when I could have done with running ".asp" templates inside "cfm" templates. And then their is Jrun - assuming some people think there is a future in that somewhere. Macromedia should not look at CF, ASP or M$ in isolation - they should say - we are going to be the biggest and best network software development company out there bar none, and we will let the industry and our customers determine what we need to offer to achieve that objective. The ultimate winner will be us - the developers. Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest?
On 1/17/01, Angél Stewart penned: Their products previously supported both CF AND ASP. But now that they own CF..will their ASP support cease? It says on their site they will still support it. Will Macromedia authoring software continue to support other application server solutions? We support JavaServer Pages(JSP), Active Server Pages (ASP), and ColdFusion Markup Language (CFML) in Macromedia UltraDev today, and we intend to continue to support these platforms in the future. And if not..how are they going to reconcile supporting a language that competes directly with their acquired asset, Cold Fusion Probably by admitting to themselves that if they stop supporting those platforms they will go out of business. More from the FAQ: How does this combination affect the new company's relationships with IBM, BEA, Microsoft, Sun, Vignette, ATG, and BroadVision? We will continue to work closely with our partners to serve the needs of Web professionals. Our software will continue to support a wide range of industry leading servers and server scripting languages. We expect our customers will use our software, both authoring tools and servers, in conjunction with software from companies such as IBM, BEA, Microsoft, Sun, Vignette, ATG, BroadVision and others. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest?
Well it's not a problem for them now ... Macromedia support the passing of files back and forth between Photoshop and Fireworks. FW4 supports importing and exporting of .PSD files and maintaining all the layer and other information. It's simple to them.. they might want to get rid of Photoshop, but they know they're not going to. So if they can't sell Dreamweaver AND Fireworks, they'll be happy to sell Dreamweaver by itself. That's just good business. So, taking this same thinking, they'll want users to go with ColdFusion and Ultradev, but if they can't get both, they'll go for Ultradev and ASP rather than send them away to another vendor. Similarly, if users don't want Ultradev, they'll still be happy to supply ColdFusion to be developed with other tools. They won't see any conflict and nor do I. Ford would like you to buy only Ford cars and trucks for your company. But if you don't buy Ford cars, there's no conflict with them trying to get you to buy Ford trucks. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- From: Angél Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2001 11:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest? Their products previously supported both CF AND ASP. But now that they own CF..will their ASP support cease? And if not..how are they going to reconcile supporting a language that competes directly with their acquired asset, Cold Fusion -Gel www.carigamer.com Island Gaming At Its Best(TM) ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest?
At 4:20 AM 1/17/1, Angél Stewart wrote: Their products previously supported both CF AND ASP. But now that they own CF..will their ASP support cease? [delurk, howdy!] No worries on that... there's a strong commitment to supporting multiple approaches, rather than mandating a single approach. With the larger braintrust that will be available after this joining, there seem to be opportunities for increasing openness even further. (Adrian spelled this out well, and Mike showed how this extends to the graphics side too... thanks for those observations!) Jeremy's got the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" email open if you wish to mail him directly, and I'm hoping we get a parallel path on the Macromedia mail servers soon... people in the community drive development, so it's vital to distill desires and disseminate this to the folks here in the shop. Things are hectic right now, but more news soon, thanks! jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Tech Support, San Francisco CA US Search technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Offlist email risks capture by the spam filters. I may not see your email if it's not on the list. Private one-on-one email options are available via Priority Access: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: How will Macromedia resolve conflict of interest?
- Original Message - From: "John Dowdell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:20 PM Jeremy's got the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" email open if you wish to mail him directly, and I'm hoping we get a parallel path on the Macromedia mail servers soon... people in the community drive development, so it's vital to distill desires and disseminate this to the folks here in the shop. Things are hectic right now, but more news soon, thanks! Hi John: What we need is a list service (like these) so that we can discuss all of the merger implication issues among ourselves (and keep it off this list), and another list, monitored by members of the merged entity, for suggestions and input etc We have a unique opportunity here to put forward ideas, requests, suggestions etc., and help in shaping the products as we at the sharp end would like them. I am, to use a stock market expression, extremely bullish about this merger - the sum of the parts is unquestionably much stronger than the individual constituents, and the end result will be a force to be reckoned with by any standards. Regards, Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
