RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I think you're all missing the point if you think that more code = longer development time. Remember, for PHP, there are massive script archives out there with example code you can just grab and use. Even the function docs at php.net are collaborative... a technique Macromedia has tried to co-opt. Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). It's a good idea and I think that everybody should co opt it, but when you shout co-opted then let's be sure who did what. Any good developer has the basics (db connections, that sort of thing) socked away in a little archive somewhere to reuse. This is true of any decent language... And has been one of the greatest strengths of CF for many years now. The official tag gallery is only a stratching of the surface. Sites like cflib.org, CFCZone.org, cfXtras, Cfcustomtags.com and so forth are also taking on their niches with a force. For any language the concept of build-once, use often hold true. However with PHP there is a sense that some very common tasks require that. The goal of CF from the start has been abstraction of complexity and the 80/20 rule. Any functionality user commonly in Web Applications is made insanely simple in CF. This means that some rarely used functionality is left out (like direct socket access) but the point is that that IS rarely used. For those that used functionality CF has made itself the most adaptable of languages: CFXs (in Java, C or Delphi), COM, CORBA, JSP Tags, Java Classes, etc. So CF also takes advantage of the code libraries and component archives of many other languages. Basically there's more crap out there that'll run on CF than any other language period. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I think you're all missing the point if you think that more code = longer development time. Remember, for PHP, there are massive script archives out there with example code you can just grab and use. Even the function docs at php.net are collaborative... a technique Macromedia has tried to co-opt. Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). It's a good idea and I think that everybody should co opt it, but when you shout co-opted then let's be sure who did what. Any good developer has the basics (db connections, that sort of thing) socked away in a little archive somewhere to reuse. This is true of any decent language... And has been one of the greatest strengths of CF for many years now. The official tag gallery is only a stratching of the surface. Sites like cflib.org, CFCZone.org, cfXtras, Cfcustomtags.com and so forth are also taking on their niches with a force. For any language the concept of build-once, use often hold true. However with PHP there is a sense that some very common tasks require that. The goal of CF from the start has been abstraction of complexity and the 80/20 rule. Any functionality user commonly in Web Applications is made insanely simple in CF. This means that some rarely used functionality is left out (like direct socket access) but the point is that that IS rarely used. For those that used functionality CF has made itself the most adaptable of languages: CFXs (in Java, C or Delphi), COM, CORBA, JSP Tags, Java Classes, etc. So CF also takes advantage of the code libraries and component archives of many other languages. Basically there's more crap out there that'll run on CF than any other language period. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 14:12 US/Pacific, Michael Dinowitz wrote: Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). Actually, I had a 'livedoc' section on HoF/FA about a year before Allaire did and I copied the concept off of the PHP site. LiveDocs appeared in Summer 2000 according to the document I have in front of me. It was built using JRun 3.0. I stand corerected... But I remember using SOMETHING very similair in the CF 3.0 days. Specifically the initial CF 3.0 (maybe 2.0?) paper docs failed to include the TimeFormat() function. I very clearly remember discovering that the function did, indeed exist and updating some public online system to that effect. Was there something before LiveDocs? I don't think that I'm just flashing back to CF Forums... But then again that was in the years B.K. (before kids) and I had so much more brain... Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
elaborate haiku? Depends on your definition of elaborate. for item in struct struct[item] equals nothing return structclear(struct) okay ... so it's redundant and it sucks -- the best I could do on short notice. :) s. isaac dealey Oh come on, Isaac! You've had a coupla hours! I would have expected more from you my friend... When is the far east edition of Tapestry coming out? Hehe... Well, I keep mentioning that on the list -- it's actually one of the reasons I've not contributed more recently -- been workin' hard on a prototype with multiple languages as a native feature. But since my haiku sucks I guess that'll increase development time. :) I get the Irish version written in Limerick form was easier huh? cfRimShot / Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
, February 27, 2003 5:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 11:30 US/Pacific, Alexander Sherwood
wrote:
At 02:28 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Anyone have any good case studies or articles explaining development
time
coparisons between CF and PHP? I've statistics stating ASP takes 60%
more
dev time than CF. Anyone have any numbers comparing CF to PHP?
At least 60%, I would imagine!
Depends on how complex your app is I guess and whether you use a
framework (you can use Fusebox with PHP, for example). Database access
code is substantially uglier in PHP than in CF:
@ $link = mysql_pconnect( $hostname, $username, $password );
if ( $link ) {
@ $res = mysql_select_db( $dbname, $link );
$res = mysql_query( 'select * from category where name like
%'.$search.'% '.
'or description like %'.$search.'% order by name
asc', $link );
if ( $res ) $nrows = mysql_num_rows( $res );
if ( $nrows 0 ) {
for ( $i = 0; $i $nrows; ++$i ) {
$row = mysql_fetch_row( $res );
if ( $row[2] != '' )
... column 2 is not empty ...
}
}
}
This is code from my own site - I'm not the world's greatest PHP
programmer so there may be better ways to do this!
Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
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RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I'd like to have you post the 40 lines of cf code to this list so we can see if it really takes that much work to accomplish 1 line of php. Sounds like something is radically wrong. -Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: PHP versus CF Development Speed? Having coded pretty extensively in both CF and PHP (and some ASP -- sloowww), I'd still give the crown to CF. PHP -- as mentioned -- is a little uglier in database access/query output. But then, so is any language compared to CF, at least to me. Where PHP shines -- and cuts development time -- is it's Perl-like attributes: robust regex support and so on. I recently had to write a custom tag for CF, about 40 lines of code, that took ONE line of code in PHP and Perl. So you really can't say one is faster than the other without some qualifications. That said, I still think that CF is -- for appropriate task -- significantly faster than PHP, UNLESS one has a library of PHP modules (object-oriented PHP, classes...) that one can cobble together relatively quickly. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
tag for CF, about 40 lines of code, that took ONE line of code in PHP and Jeezo, I find that hard to believe and indeed would love to see these lines. -Original Message- From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2003 14:16 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? I'd like to have you post the 40 lines of cf code to this list so we can see if it really takes that much work to accomplish 1 line of php. Sounds like something is radically wrong. -Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: PHP versus CF Development Speed? Having coded pretty extensively in both CF and PHP (and some ASP -- sloowww), I'd still give the crown to CF. PHP -- as mentioned -- is a little uglier in database access/query output. But then, so is any language compared to CF, at least to me. Where PHP shines -- and cuts development time -- is it's Perl-like attributes: robust regex support and so on. I recently had to write a custom tag for CF, about 40 lines of code, that took ONE line of code in PHP and Perl. So you really can't say one is faster than the other without some qualifications. That said, I still think that CF is -- for appropriate task -- significantly faster than PHP, UNLESS one has a library of PHP modules (object-oriented PHP, classes...) that one can cobble together relatively quickly. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
It was a very very long line. :) w -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2003 14:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? tag for CF, about 40 lines of code, that took ONE line of code in PHP and Jeezo, I find that hard to believe and indeed would love to see these lines. -Original Message- From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2003 14:16 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? I'd like to have you post the 40 lines of cf code to this list so we can see if it really takes that much work to accomplish 1 line of php. Sounds like something is radically wrong. -Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: PHP versus CF Development Speed? Having coded pretty extensively in both CF and PHP (and some ASP -- sloowww), I'd still give the crown to CF. PHP -- as mentioned -- is a little uglier in database access/query output. But then, so is any language compared to CF, at least to me. Where PHP shines -- and cuts development time -- is it's Perl-like attributes: robust regex support and so on. I recently had to write a custom tag for CF, about 40 lines of code, that took ONE line of code in PHP and Perl. So you really can't say one is faster than the other without some qualifications. That said, I still think that CF is -- for appropriate task -- significantly faster than PHP, UNLESS one has a library of PHP modules (object-oriented PHP, classes...) that one can cobble together relatively quickly. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I think you're all missing the point if you think that more code = longer development time. Remember, for PHP, there are massive script archives out there with example code you can just grab and use. Even the function docs at php.net are collaborative... a technique Macromedia has tried to co-opt. Any good developer has the basics (db connections, that sort of thing) socked away in a little archive somewhere to reuse. -- jon ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Will Swain wrote: It was a very very long line. :) w Well, then I can do it in a half a line, using APL ;^) ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Well, there is the developer's exchange at Macromedia. Also, if you're comparing PHP to CF and you used 40 lines of CF to accomplish 1 line of PHP then I imagine you probably are overlooking some of CF's capabilities. Or you've started writing obfuscated CF poetry or something. Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? I think you're all missing the point if you think that more code = longer development time. Remember, for PHP, there are massive script archives out there with example code you can just grab and use. Even the function docs at php.net are collaborative... a technique Macromedia has tried to co-opt. Any good developer has the basics (db connections, that sort of thing) socked away in a little archive somewhere to reuse. -- jon ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
On 2/28/03, Will Swain penned: It was a very very long line. :) Yep, 40 lines each about 100 characters long (4,000 chars) in CF and one line 25,000 characters long in PHP. :-D -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
You can use the same RE in CF: definition = REreplaceNoCase(mycontent, (#searchTerm#), span ...\1/span, all); barneyb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: PHP versus CF Development Speed? 40 LINES OF CODE -- OK, maybe I can learn something here that I don't know. Here's what I was trying to do (in English): A search engine functionality; when the results list returned, the keyword (let's keep it to single word/phrase to simplify) found in the results should be highlighted in so way (bold, with a span with a class wrapper; whatever). The trick is that the highlighted text should keep the same case as it is in the ORIGINAL text, not the keywork text. In other words, if I search for site, the highlighted text should be Site (uppercase S) if it's Site in the original text. Sounds trivial, but with CF's standard replace function, its replace a string with a string, and there is no way to control case. This looks ugly in the results, to have, for example, uppercase WEB highlighted all over the place if that's what the user entered. In PERL, here's the replace line: $definition =~ s/$searchTerm/$subStart$$subEnd/ig; -- Where $subStart is the begin span; $subEnd is close span. The character between the two keeps the ORIGINAL text that matchs the keyword $searchTerm IN PHP: $r_title[$j] = eregi_replace($keyword, span style=background-color:#99CCFF;\\0/span, $r_title[$j]); -- very similar to the Perl; I didn't (yet) set style to variables. Here, the \\0 means -- like the Perl -- to keep the ORIGINAL text. COLD FUSION: I had to set a loop and, when I found the text, do a LEFT and store it. Wrap the MID text (keyword) that matched with highlight tag, and set a new beginning for the search after the LEFT + len(tags added) + len(keyword). If anyone has better code or ideas, I'm all ears. (P.S. Actually only 25 lines of actual code, not 40. While it still could be tuned, it still is WAY more than ONE line (PHP Perl), and more cumbersome: !--- PAGE: /quote/highlight.cfm --- !--- CUSTOM TAG to higlight text search with keyword matches on /quote/results.cfm page Need to have a custom tag, as CF provides to simple global to replace without changing text case. For example, in Perl/PHP etc can change My text to My btext/b even when the keyword is TEXT -- CF will only allow direct substitution, so the string to search will become My bTEXT/b, which is NOT what is desired. So have to loop. INPUT required: -- text (text to search) -- keyword (substring to match on) OUTPUT supplied: -- myHighlight (text highlighted appropriately) Text colored with highlight class in a span; change in CSS file --- cfparam name=attributes.text default= !--- default string to search --- cfparam name=attributes.keyword default = !--- default keyword to use --- cfparam name=myHighlight default = cfparam name=whereFound default = 1 !--- where keyword match found --- !--- colorizations --- cfset openSpan = span class='highlight' cfset closeSpan = /span cfset text = #attributes.text# cfset keyword = #attributes.keyword# !--- see if loop is necessary --- cfset whereFound = #findNoCase(keyword,text,1)# !- Enter and stay in loop as long as there is a match. Each loop, the text string is rebuilt with the style tags, and then the start point to do the match is bumped up accordingly. So the full string is always fully there for whenever the loop terminates -- cfloop condition=#whereFound# GT 0 !--- get what's NOT highlighted on LEFT --- !--- different left if leads with match --- cfif #whereFound# EQ 1 !--- no left to pull --- cfset left = cfelse cfset left = #left(text,whereFound-1)# /cfif !--- pull string to highlight (MID) --- cfset mid = #mid(text,whereFound,len(keyword) )# !--- get leftover (RIGHT) if any --- !--- test to make sure will not trying to get text past end of string --- cfif #whereFound# + #len(keyword)# LTE #len(text)# cfset right = #right(text,len(text) - (whereFound + len(keyword) - 1) )# cfelse cfset right = /cfif !--- build new text string --- cfset text = #left# #openSpan# #mid# #closeSpan# #right# !--- set new starting point, taking into account text added (SPANs) --- cfset whereFound = #findNoCase(keyword,text,whereFound+len(openSpan)+len(closeSpan)+l en(keyword) )# /cfloop !--- Assign to variable that other pages will call --- cfset caller.myHighlight = #text# ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I'm not sure if it's documented any where, I'd try a searching the cfdocs for RegExp stuff. Actually, I think the best reference was in the CF Studio docs, but I could be wrong. I'm sure that particular item is discussed on the REReplace and REreplaceNoCase function pages in the cfdocs (if not, MM needs to rethink that decision). barneyb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: PHP versus CF Development Speed? LINES OF CODE BE GONE! Thanks for the insight -- the damn \1 is what I needed. Is this documented anywhere normal? I had the same problem with PHP and Perl -- took me some time to stumble over the code (PHP -- like here -- a message board provided the answer). So, now my custom-tag writing has been replaced by regEx...good! Thanks again. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 11:36 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote: I'm not sure if it's documented any where, I'd try a searching the cfdocs for RegExp stuff. See: http://livedocs.macromedia.com/cfmxdocs/CFML_Reference/functions- pt269.jsp#522 As in ColdFusion 5, the characters \1, \2, and so on, are backreference codes. Then refer to the other docs for more info: http://livedocs.macromedia.com/cfmxdocs/ Developing_ColdFusion_MX_Applications_with_CFML/regexp4.jsp#1099092 Lots of *really* good stuff in the manual! Who is it here that keeps urging folks to RTFM? There's about 900 pages of really, really good stuff in there! Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Will Swain wrote: It was a very very long line. :) w Well, then I can do it in a half a line, using APL ;^) Are we snorting lines of code now? :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
if you are, you better be sharing ;) ...tony -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Will Swain wrote: It was a very very long line. :) w Well, then I can do it in a half a line, using APL ;^) Are we snorting lines of code now? :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Well, there is the developer's exchange at Macromedia. Also, if you're comparing PHP to CF and you used 40 lines of CF to accomplish 1 line of PHP then I imagine you probably are overlooking some of CF's capabilities. Or you've started writing obfuscated CF poetry or something. I make sure the code for all my UDF's are elaborate haiku's. :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I'm not the kind of person to put one programming language infront of the
other, but having used PHP, ASP and CF I will have to say that out of the 3
CF is the easiest and quickest way of writing code.
- Original Message -
From: Jeremy Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Here is a snippet from my PHP book ;)
This is done using an pure PHP OO abstraction layer.
It is alright as far as interfaces go.
(Note.. most people use a DB abstraction layer these days in PHP)
long code snippet follows
/* Include the database abstraction class */
require_once DB.php;
/* Static method to parse the DSN connection string into an array */
$dsn = DB::parseDSN(pgsql://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/MasteringPHP);
/* Static factory method to create pgsql DB object */
$db_obj = DB::factory(pgsql);
/* Connect to the databse */
if($db_status = $db_obj-connect($dsn))
{
echo Error: . $db_status-message . br;
echo Code: . $db_status-code . br;
}
/* Store the query to be executed in a variable */
$pets_query = SELECT P.PetName,
O.FirstName,
O.LastName,
PT.CommonName
FROM Pet P
INNER JOIN Owner O ON O.OwnerID = P.OwnerID
INNER JOIN Pet_Type PT ON PT.PetTypeID = P.PetTypeID
ORDER BY LastName;;
/* Execute query */
$pets_result = $db_obj-simpleQuery($pets_query);
/* Begin table to format data */
$pet_tbl = table border=\1\\n;
$pet_tbl .= trtd align=\center\ colspan=\4\
bgcolor=\#99\\n;
$pet_tbl .= strongPets and Owners/strong\n;
$pet_tbl .= /td/tr\n;
$pet_tbl .= \ttr\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttdPet Name/td\n\t\ttdCommon Name/td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttdOwner First Name/td\n\t\ttdOwner Last
Name/td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t/tr\n;
while($row = $db_obj-fetchRow($pets_result, DB_FETCHMODE_ASSOC))
{
$pet_tbl .= \ttr\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttd . $row[petname] . /td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttd . $row[commonname] . /td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttd . $row[firstname] . /td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttd . $row[lastname] . /td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t/tr\n;
}
$pet_tbl .= /table\n;
$db_obj-disconnect();
?
.
Compared to..
cfquery name=... datasource=...
SELECT P.PetName,
O.FirstName,
O.LastName,
PT.CommonName
FROM Pet P
INNER JOIN Owner O ON O.OwnerID = P.OwnerID
INNER JOIN Pet_Type PT ON PT.PetTypeID = P.PetTypeID
ORDER BY LastName
/cfquery
cfloop query=...
cfoutput
!---
Everyone knows how this goes so I am not going to waste
more bits
---
/cfoutput
/cfloop
Ehh, the PHP isn't much prettier is it? :) Not quite so bad as working
with
a native DB function set in PHP, but still most people would consider the
PHP to be less pleasant. PHP is very declarative and borrows from
languages
like C, Perl, and Java so it is going to be more like those languages. It
isn't tag based so it can't borrow from the simplicity of markup. Although
PHP offers a lot of syntactical sugar that I often miss in CF (For the
same
reason I miss it in say... Java). And I do think the OO framework in PHP
is
more mature in some (functional) respects.
The thing that always puts me off about PHP, and what will always make it
be
a second class/web language in my mind is how the language is glued
together. Oh, want access to images? Lets wire in the GD library API. Ehh,
XML? Ok, no problem, lets mimic the C API for that in PHP. PDF, ok. You
end
up with a lot of C API replicas in PHP. So there are a few dozen disparate
APIs you end up working with in PHP. The contradictions even go through
the
core of the language. Basic things like directory and file manipulation
are
allowed to be different and inconsistent in how they are performed. (I
understand the Perl TIMTOWTDI philosophy, but I see things in PHP as
sloppy
rather more than anything else.)
CF is more consistent across the board. CF has more vision and scope than
PHP ever will have. PHPs solution to enterprise level scalability concerns
are to off-load it to a separate project. There are things CF has
supported
forever that I still want in a stable form in PHP. (Such as an
Application
scope for PHP). The PHP answer to this is http://www.vl-srm.net, a
completely separate daemon. :)
Anyway, this post is long. Needless to say I think CF is a more complete
solution and it is only getting better, but it is silly to dismiss PHP off
hand due to the amount of almost built-in ready to go libraries available.
You can always implement your own OO oriented interfaces to any libraries
you use, but it would be nice for things to come out of the box
consistent.
Jeremy
-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 11:30 US/Pacific, Alexander Sherwood
wrote:
At 02:28 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Anyone have any good case studies
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Just to put my spin on this, I'm doing a proof of concept project for a friend
that will be used to secure a patent (pending). This project has already killed
a PHP programmer who said it could not be done. The proof of concept code was
done in 3 months in less than 200 lines. Now most of that time was taken dealing
with the logic of the situation(s) but the point is, it got done where PHP could
not do it (and yes, the first attempt was by a pro PHP programmer).
CF is not just about easy or quick. It's also about understandable code that can
do the job tightly rather than something that looks like word soup and take
hundreds of lines for a single operation. Anyone can look at my code and see
what I'm doing at any point. Maybe not WHY I'm doing it but they at least know
what's going on.
I'm not the kind of person to put one programming language infront of the
other, but having used PHP, ASP and CF I will have to say that out of the 3
CF is the easiest and quickest way of writing code.
- Original Message -
From: Jeremy Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Here is a snippet from my PHP book ;)
This is done using an pure PHP OO abstraction layer.
It is alright as far as interfaces go.
(Note.. most people use a DB abstraction layer these days in PHP)
long code snippet follows
/* Include the database abstraction class */
require_once DB.php;
/* Static method to parse the DSN connection string into an array */
$dsn = DB::parseDSN(pgsql://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/MasteringPHP);
/* Static factory method to create pgsql DB object */
$db_obj = DB::factory(pgsql);
/* Connect to the databse */
if($db_status = $db_obj-connect($dsn))
{
echo Error: . $db_status-message . br;
echo Code: . $db_status-code . br;
}
/* Store the query to be executed in a variable */
$pets_query = SELECT P.PetName,
O.FirstName,
O.LastName,
PT.CommonName
FROM Pet P
INNER JOIN Owner O ON O.OwnerID = P.OwnerID
INNER JOIN Pet_Type PT ON PT.PetTypeID = P.PetTypeID
ORDER BY LastName;;
/* Execute query */
$pets_result = $db_obj-simpleQuery($pets_query);
/* Begin table to format data */
$pet_tbl = table border=\1\\n;
$pet_tbl .= trtd align=\center\ colspan=\4\
bgcolor=\#99\\n;
$pet_tbl .= strongPets and Owners/strong\n;
$pet_tbl .= /td/tr\n;
$pet_tbl .= \ttr\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttdPet Name/td\n\t\ttdCommon Name/td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttdOwner First Name/td\n\t\ttdOwner Last
Name/td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t/tr\n;
while($row = $db_obj-fetchRow($pets_result, DB_FETCHMODE_ASSOC))
{
$pet_tbl .= \ttr\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttd . $row[petname] . /td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttd . $row[commonname] . /td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttd . $row[firstname] . /td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t\ttd . $row[lastname] . /td\n;
$pet_tbl .= \t/tr\n;
}
$pet_tbl .= /table\n;
$db_obj-disconnect();
?
.
Compared to..
cfquery name=... datasource=...
SELECT P.PetName,
O.FirstName,
O.LastName,
PT.CommonName
FROM Pet P
INNER JOIN Owner O ON O.OwnerID = P.OwnerID
INNER JOIN Pet_Type PT ON PT.PetTypeID = P.PetTypeID
ORDER BY LastName
/cfquery
cfloop query=...
cfoutput
!---
Everyone knows how this goes so I am not going to waste
more bits
---
/cfoutput
/cfloop
Ehh, the PHP isn't much prettier is it? :) Not quite so bad as working
with
a native DB function set in PHP, but still most people would consider the
PHP to be less pleasant. PHP is very declarative and borrows from
languages
like C, Perl, and Java so it is going to be more like those languages. It
isn't tag based so it can't borrow from the simplicity of markup. Although
PHP offers a lot of syntactical sugar that I often miss in CF (For the
same
reason I miss it in say... Java). And I do think the OO framework in PHP
is
more mature in some (functional) respects.
The thing that always puts me off about PHP, and what will always make it
be
a second class/web language in my mind is how the language is glued
together. Oh, want access to images? Lets wire in the GD library API. Ehh,
XML? Ok, no problem, lets mimic the C API for that in PHP. PDF, ok. You
end
up with a lot of C API replicas in PHP. So there are a few dozen disparate
APIs you end up working with in PHP. The contradictions even go through
the
core of the language. Basic things like directory and file manipulation
are
allowed to be different and inconsistent in how they are performed. (I
understand the Perl TIMTOWTDI philosophy, but I see things in PHP as
sloppy
rather more than anything else.)
CF is more consistent across the board. CF has more vision and scope than
PHP ever will have. PHPs solution to enterprise level scalability concerns
are to off-load it to a separate project
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Always plenty to go around. :) Who was it Ozzy who said he snorted a line of ants once? if you are, you better be sharing ;) ...tony -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Will Swain wrote: It was a very very long line. :) w Well, then I can do it in a half a line, using APL ;^) Are we snorting lines of code now? :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
is that why u guys are up all the time? Dave - Original Message - From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? Always plenty to go around. :) Who was it Ozzy who said he snorted a line of ants once? if you are, you better be sharing ;) ...tony -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Will Swain wrote: It was a very very long line. :) w Well, then I can do it in a half a line, using APL ;^) Are we snorting lines of code now? :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
You mean up like awake or up like happy? And regardless I'm going to blame it on snorting ants, yes. :) is that why u guys are up all the time? Dave - Original Message - From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? Always plenty to go around. :) Who was it Ozzy who said he snorted a line of ants once? if you are, you better be sharing ;) ...tony -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Will Swain wrote: It was a very very long line. :) w Well, then I can do it in a half a line, using APL ;^) Are we snorting lines of code now? :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=2181 6 ~~~ ~~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid =4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
let your mind run free my friend...outta here till Monday boys, snowboardin here I come!!! later ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? You mean up like awake or up like happy? And regardless I'm going to blame it on snorting ants, yes. :) is that why u guys are up all the time? Dave - Original Message - From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? Always plenty to go around. :) Who was it Ozzy who said he snorted a line of ants once? if you are, you better be sharing ;) ...tony -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Will Swain wrote: It was a very very long line. :) w Well, then I can do it in a half a line, using APL ;^) Are we snorting lines of code now? :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=2181 6 ~~~ ~~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid =4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Dick. (Adam, sitting in dry, flat Chicgo) -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? let your mind run free my friend...outta here till Monday boys, snowboardin here I come!!! later ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? You mean up like awake or up like happy? And regardless I'm going to blame it on snorting ants, yes. :) is that why u guys are up all the time? Dave - Original Message - From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? Always plenty to go around. :) Who was it Ozzy who said he snorted a line of ants once? if you are, you better be sharing ;) ...tony -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Will Swain wrote: It was a very very long line. :) w Well, then I can do it in a half a line, using APL ;^) Are we snorting lines of code now? :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=2181 6 ~~~ ~~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid =4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Isn't that an oxymoron? At 04:03 PM 2/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: I make sure the code for all my UDF's are elaborate haiku's. :) s. isaac dealey ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I think you're all missing the point if you think that more code = longer development time. Remember, for PHP, there are massive script archives out there with example code you can just grab and use. Even the function docs at php.net are collaborative... a technique Macromedia has tried to co-opt. Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). It's a good idea and I think that everybody should co opt it, but when you shout co-opted then let's be sure who did what. Any good developer has the basics (db connections, that sort of thing) socked away in a little archive somewhere to reuse. This is true of any decent language... And has been one of the greatest strengths of CF for many years now. The official tag gallery is only a stratching of the surface. Sites like cflib.org, CFCZone.org, cfXtras, Cfcustomtags.com and so forth are also taking on their niches with a force. For any language the concept of build-once, use often hold true. However with PHP there is a sense that some very common tasks require that. The goal of CF from the start has been abstraction of complexity and the 80/20 rule. Any functionality user commonly in Web Applications is made insanely simple in CF. This means that some rarely used functionality is left out (like direct socket access) but the point is that that IS rarely used. For those that used functionality CF has made itself the most adaptable of languages: CFXs (in Java, C or Delphi), COM, CORBA, JSP Tags, Java Classes, etc. So CF also takes advantage of the code libraries and component archives of many other languages. Basically there's more crap out there that'll run on CF than any other language period. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Remember, for PHP, there are massive script archives out there with example code you can just grab and use. Even the function docs at php.net are collaborative... a technique Macromedia has tried to co-opt. Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). Actually, I had a 'livedoc' section on HoF/FA about a year before Allaire did and I copied the concept off of the PHP site. Any good developer has the basics (db connections, that sort of thing) socked away in a little archive somewhere to reuse. This is true of any decent language... And has been one of the greatest strengths of CF for many years now. The official tag gallery is only a stratching of the surface. Sites like cflib.org, CFCZone.org, cfXtras, Cfcustomtags.com and so forth are also taking on their niches with a force. I'd love to get together a commity to read through the various tags, functions, etc. and make a accepted standard library that does the job best out of all that has been submitted. So CF also takes advantage of the code libraries and component archives of many other languages. And usually in the core of the language itself. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I think that while it may be true that their is a lot of code for CF, there is not a lot of free or open source code for CF. This is one place where PHP or Perl have an advantage. Luis -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? I think you're all missing the point if you think that more code = longer development time. Remember, for PHP, there are massive script archives out there with example code you can just grab and use. Even the function docs at php.net are collaborative... a technique Macromedia has tried to co-opt. Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). It's a good idea and I think that everybody should co opt it, but when you shout co-opted then let's be sure who did what. Any good developer has the basics (db connections, that sort of thing) socked away in a little archive somewhere to reuse. This is true of any decent language... And has been one of the greatest strengths of CF for many years now. The official tag gallery is only a stratching of the surface. Sites like cflib.org, CFCZone.org, cfXtras, Cfcustomtags.com and so forth are also taking on their niches with a force. For any language the concept of build-once, use often hold true. However with PHP there is a sense that some very common tasks require that. The goal of CF from the start has been abstraction of complexity and the 80/20 rule. Any functionality user commonly in Web Applications is made insanely simple in CF. This means that some rarely used functionality is left out (like direct socket access) but the point is that that IS rarely used. For those that used functionality CF has made itself the most adaptable of languages: CFXs (in Java, C or Delphi), COM, CORBA, JSP Tags, Java Classes, etc. So CF also takes advantage of the code libraries and component archives of many other languages. Basically there's more crap out there that'll run on CF than any other language period. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 14:12 US/Pacific, Michael Dinowitz wrote: Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). Actually, I had a 'livedoc' section on HoF/FA about a year before Allaire did and I copied the concept off of the PHP site. LiveDocs appeared in Summer 2000 according to the document I have in front of me. It was built using JRun 3.0. Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog Announcing Macromedia DevNet Subscriptions Maximize your power with our new premium software subscription Find out more: http://www.macromedia.com/go/devnetsubs ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
In 5 years of full-time CF development I have yet to pay for a CF tag ;-) (read as haven't needed to...not stolen them left right and center...hehe) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Luis Lebron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? I think that while it may be true that their is a lot of code for CF, there is not a lot of free or open source code for CF. This is one place where PHP or Perl have an advantage. Luis -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? I think you're all missing the point if you think that more code = longer development time. Remember, for PHP, there are massive script archives out there with example code you can just grab and use. Even the function docs at php.net are collaborative... a technique Macromedia has tried to co-opt. Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). It's a good idea and I think that everybody should co opt it, but when you shout co-opted then let's be sure who did what. Any good developer has the basics (db connections, that sort of thing) socked away in a little archive somewhere to reuse. This is true of any decent language... And has been one of the greatest strengths of CF for many years now. The official tag gallery is only a stratching of the surface. Sites like cflib.org, CFCZone.org, cfXtras, Cfcustomtags.com and so forth are also taking on their niches with a force. For any language the concept of build-once, use often hold true. However with PHP there is a sense that some very common tasks require that. The goal of CF from the start has been abstraction of complexity and the 80/20 rule. Any functionality user commonly in Web Applications is made insanely simple in CF. This means that some rarely used functionality is left out (like direct socket access) but the point is that that IS rarely used. For those that used functionality CF has made itself the most adaptable of languages: CFXs (in Java, C or Delphi), COM, CORBA, JSP Tags, Java Classes, etc. So CF also takes advantage of the code libraries and component archives of many other languages. Basically there's more crap out there that'll run on CF than any other language period. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Luis wrote: for CF, there is not a lot of free or open source code I've always felt there's a ton of it out there, personally. Can't count the number of times I've gone to the dev exchg and d/l'd three or four tools, looked over how each author did whatever and either a)used someone's freely posted approach or b)used what I found to come up with a hybrid idea, or came up with a whole new one based on ideas sparked by the code I just got done picking over. Or maybe I went to the CF-Talk archives and pulled something out, or easycfm.com for a tutorial, or halhelms.com for same. Or... Personally, what we have works great for me. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbas.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I think that while it may be true that their is a lot of code for CF, there is not a lot of free or open source code for CF. This is one place where PHP or Perl have an advantage. Almost all the code I see for CF is open and unencrypted... Most of the .org collections (for example cflib.org) simply won't supply encrypted code. And, again, since CF can use COM, Java, and JSP tags/libraries you have those at your disposal as well. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 14:12 US/Pacific, Michael Dinowitz wrote: Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). Actually, I had a 'livedoc' section on HoF/FA about a year before Allaire did and I copied the concept off of the PHP site. LiveDocs appeared in Summer 2000 according to the document I have in front of me. It was built using JRun 3.0. I stand corerected... But I remember using SOMETHING very similair in the CF 3.0 days. Specifically the initial CF 3.0 (maybe 2.0?) paper docs failed to include the TimeFormat() function. I very clearly remember discovering that the function did, indeed exist and updating some public online system to that effect. Was there something before LiveDocs? I don't think that I'm just flashing back to CF Forums... But then again that was in the years B.K. (before kids) and I had so much more brain... Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
elaborate haiku? Depends on your definition of elaborate. for item in struct struct[item] equals nothing return structclear(struct) okay ... so it's redundant and it sucks -- the best I could do on short notice. :) Isn't that an oxymoron? At 04:03 PM 2/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: I make sure the code for all my UDF's are elaborate haiku's. :) s. isaac dealey s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
elaborate haiku? Depends on your definition of elaborate. for item in struct struct[item] equals nothing return structclear(struct) okay ... so it's redundant and it sucks -- the best I could do on short notice. :) s. isaac dealey Oh come on, Isaac! You've had a coupla hours! I would have expected more from you my friend... When is the far east edition of Tapestry coming out? Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I think that has more to do with the size of the community. There are just more PHP coders around, likely largely due to the fact that free versions of CF Server for development are such a recent thing. I think we'll catch up with the PHP crowd at some point. And those of us with the time and ability I think are contributing to the OS community with CF code, but I really don't see the availability of OS code as a selling point for a technology anyway. I still have an OS project in my sig file. :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 I think that while it may be true that their is a lot of code for CF, there is not a lot of free or open source code for CF. This is one place where PHP or Perl have an advantage. Luis -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? I think you're all missing the point if you think that more code = longer development time. Remember, for PHP, there are massive script archives out there with example code you can just grab and use. Even the function docs at php.net are collaborative... a technique Macromedia has tried to co-opt. Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). It's a good idea and I think that everybody should co opt it, but when you shout co-opted then let's be sure who did what. Any good developer has the basics (db connections, that sort of thing) socked away in a little archive somewhere to reuse. This is true of any decent language... And has been one of the greatest strengths of CF for many years now. The official tag gallery is only a stratching of the surface. Sites like cflib.org, CFCZone.org, cfXtras, Cfcustomtags.com and so forth are also taking on their niches with a force. For any language the concept of build-once, use often hold true. However with PHP there is a sense that some very common tasks require that. The goal of CF from the start has been abstraction of complexity and the 80/20 rule. Any functionality user commonly in Web Applications is made insanely simple in CF. This means that some rarely used functionality is left out (like direct socket access) but the point is that that IS rarely used. For those that used functionality CF has made itself the most adaptable of languages: CFXs (in Java, C or Delphi), COM, CORBA, JSP Tags, Java Classes, etc. So CF also takes advantage of the code libraries and component archives of many other languages. Basically there's more crap out there that'll run on CF than any other language period. Jim Davis ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
elaborate haiku? Depends on your definition of elaborate. for item in struct struct[item] equals nothing return structclear(struct) okay ... so it's redundant and it sucks -- the best I could do on short notice. :) s. isaac dealey Oh come on, Isaac! You've had a coupla hours! I would have expected more from you my friend... When is the far east edition of Tapestry coming out? Hehe... Well, I keep mentioning that on the list -- it's actually one of the reasons I've not contributed more recently -- been workin' hard on a prototype with multiple languages as a native feature. But since my haiku sucks I guess that'll increase development time. :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
PHP's ubiquity is also helped by the fact that you can get 10$/month web hosting with MySQL, Apache and PHP with lots of goodies. Even basic CF hosting with Access as a back end (yikes) is fairly expensive. PHP will always be free, and unless a free CFML-compliant application server comes around that can be used in a large hosting environment, you won't see CF as big as PHP with the masses. - Jim - Original Message - From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? I think that has more to do with the size of the community. There are just more PHP coders around, likely largely due to the fact that free versions of CF Server for development are such a recent thing. I think we'll catch up with the PHP crowd at some point. And those of us with the time and ability I think are contributing to the OS community with CF code, but I really don't see the availability of OS code as a selling point for a technology anyway. I still have an OS project in my sig file. :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 I think that while it may be true that their is a lot of code for CF, there is not a lot of free or open source code for CF. This is one place where PHP or Perl have an advantage. Luis -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? I think you're all missing the point if you think that more code = longer development time. Remember, for PHP, there are massive script archives out there with example code you can just grab and use. Even the function docs at php.net are collaborative... a technique Macromedia has tried to co-opt. Actually let's reverse that... The livedocs system in use at Macromedia was in use at Allaire in, I think 1998 (around when CF 3 had come out I think, but perhaps CF 4). It's a good idea and I think that everybody should co opt it, but when you shout co-opted then let's be sure who did what. Any good developer has the basics (db connections, that sort of thing) socked away in a little archive somewhere to reuse. This is true of any decent language... And has been one of the greatest strengths of CF for many years now. The official tag gallery is only a stratching of the surface. Sites like cflib.org, CFCZone.org, cfXtras, Cfcustomtags.com and so forth are also taking on their niches with a force. For any language the concept of build-once, use often hold true. However with PHP there is a sense that some very common tasks require that. The goal of CF from the start has been abstraction of complexity and the 80/20 rule. Any functionality user commonly in Web Applications is made insanely simple in CF. This means that some rarely used functionality is left out (like direct socket access) but the point is that that IS rarely used. For those that used functionality CF has made itself the most adaptable of languages: CFXs (in Java, C or Delphi), COM, CORBA, JSP Tags, Java Classes, etc. So CF also takes advantage of the code libraries and component archives of many other languages. Basically there's more crap out there that'll run on CF than any other language period. Jim Davis ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Luis wrote: for CF, there is not a lot of free or open source code I've always felt there's a ton of it out there, personally. Can't count the number of times I've gone to the dev exchg and d/l'd three or four tools, looked over how each author did whatever and either a)used someone's freely posted approach or b)used what I found to come up with a hybrid idea, or came up with a whole new one based on ideas sparked by the code I just got done picking over. Or maybe I went to the CF-Talk archives and pulled something out, or easycfm.com for a tutorial, or halhelms.com for same. Or... Personally, what we have works great for me. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbas.com http://mysecretbas.com ? Fishing trip? :P It produces a 404 btw. s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Jim wrote, snip and unless a free CFML-compliant application server comes around that can be used in a large hosting environment snip BD, baby. in the grand scheme could be the biggest thing to happen to cfml yet, for precisely the reason you state. There's a boatload of potential there, especially if c++ CFX support will be available in the next free version. Vince? --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: Jim Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:02:05 -0600 PHP's ubiquity is also helped by the fact that you can get 10$/month web hosting with MySQL, Apache and PHP with lots of goodies. Even basic CF hosting with Access as a back end (yikes) is fairly expensive. PHP will ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I agree - I'd be interested to see how well it holds up in a large scale shared-type environment. I only have three computers on my network at home, so I can't test its tenacity too much, but it liked my purposefully obfuscated and slow CFX tag, so I do hold out hope :) - Jim - Original Message - From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? Jim wrote, snip and unless a free CFML-compliant application server comes around that can be used in a large hosting environment snip BD, baby. in the grand scheme could be the biggest thing to happen to cfml yet, for precisely the reason you state. There's a boatload of potential there, especially if c++ CFX support will be available in the next free version. Vince? --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: Jim Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:02:05 -0600 PHP's ubiquity is also helped by the fact that you can get 10$/month web hosting with MySQL, Apache and PHP with lots of goodies. Even basic CF hosting with Access as a back end (yikes) is fairly expensive. PHP will ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Isaac (not giving up his day job) Dealey penned, http://mysecretbas.com ? Fishing trip? :P It produces a 404 my fingers, like bowling pins they type, a fatal error Friday beer beckons --Matt-- http://foohbar.org (no 404 there!) ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Matt Robertson wrote: Jim wrote, snip and unless a free CFML-compliant application server comes around that can be used in a large hosting environment snip BD, baby. in the grand scheme could be the biggest thing to happen to cfml yet, for precisely the reason you state. There's a boatload of potential there, especially if c++ CFX support will be available in the next free version. I think a feature like Sandbox Security is a bit more important as support for C++ CFX tags when it is about shared hosting. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
I don't remember us having anything before LiveDocs, but then again, I wasn't here in the CF 3.0 days (4.01 was latest when I started). Deb -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? I stand corerected... But I remember using SOMETHING very similair in the CF 3.0 days. Specifically the initial CF 3.0 (maybe 2.0?) paper docs failed to include the TimeFormat() function. I very clearly remember discovering that the function did, indeed exist and updating some public online system to that effect. Was there something before LiveDocs? I don't think that I'm just flashing back to CF Forums... But then again that was in the years B.K. (before kids) and I had so much more brain... Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
While your point is taken, a technically correct answer often loses when it squares off against reality. If people can make money hosting BD they will, sandbox or no, I suspect. CFX support boosts the value a host can implement. We were talking about the commodity side of this business. As was posted earlier we're talking about potential. Very very interesting potential, but just that at the moment. We'll see if it ever happens. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 00:19:49 +0100 Matt Robertson wrote: Jim wrote, snip and unless a free CFML-compliant application server comes around that can be used in a large hosting environment snip BD, baby. in the grand scheme could be the biggest thing to happen to cfml yet, for precisely the reason you state. There's a boatload of potential there, especially if c++ CFX support will be available in the next free version. I think a feature like Sandbox Security is a bit more important as support for C++ CFX tags when it is about shared hosting. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
:) should be blast, i hear they got a great pipe where im goin!!! -Original Message- From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? Dick. (Adam, sitting in dry, flat Chicgo) -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? let your mind run free my friend...outta here till Monday boys, snowboardin here I come!!! later ...tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? You mean up like awake or up like happy? And regardless I'm going to blame it on snorting ants, yes. :) is that why u guys are up all the time? Dave - Original Message - From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? Always plenty to go around. :) Who was it Ozzy who said he snorted a line of ants once? if you are, you better be sharing ;) ...tony -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:21 AM, Will Swain wrote: It was a very very long line. :) w Well, then I can do it in a half a line, using APL ;^) Are we snorting lines of code now? :) s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=2181 6 ~~~ ~~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid =4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~~ ~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.4 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
At 02:28 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: Anyone have any good case studies or articles explaining development time coparisons between CF and PHP? I've statistics stating ASP takes 60% more dev time than CF. Anyone have any numbers comparing CF to PHP? At least 60%, I would imagine! ***Sterling Financial Investment Group, Inc. (SFIG) is a member ofNASD/MSRB/NFA/SIPC. Email transmissions may be monitored. SFIG cannotaccept orders to buy or sell via email. Please visit www.mysterling.com formore information.*** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
php is slow and evil compared to CF! hehe i found that php fusebox3 was almost as fast as writing fb3 cf code - Original Message - From: Alexander Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed? At 02:28 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: Anyone have any good case studies or articles explaining development time coparisons between CF and PHP? I've statistics stating ASP takes 60% more dev time than CF. Anyone have any numbers comparing CF to PHP? At least 60%, I would imagine! ***Sterling Financial Investment Group, Inc. (SFIG) is a member ofNASD/MSRB/NFA/SIPC. Email transmissions may be monitored. SFIG cannotaccept orders to buy or sell via email. Please visit www.mysterling.com formore information.*** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 11:30 US/Pacific, Alexander Sherwood
wrote:
At 02:28 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Anyone have any good case studies or articles explaining development
time
coparisons between CF and PHP? I've statistics stating ASP takes 60%
more
dev time than CF. Anyone have any numbers comparing CF to PHP?
At least 60%, I would imagine!
Depends on how complex your app is I guess and whether you use a
framework (you can use Fusebox with PHP, for example). Database access
code is substantially uglier in PHP than in CF:
@ $link = mysql_pconnect( $hostname, $username, $password );
if ( $link ) {
@ $res = mysql_select_db( $dbname, $link );
$res = mysql_query( 'select * from category where name like
%'.$search.'% '.
'or description like %'.$search.'% order by name
asc', $link );
if ( $res ) $nrows = mysql_num_rows( $res );
if ( $nrows 0 ) {
for ( $i = 0; $i $nrows; ++$i ) {
$row = mysql_fetch_row( $res );
if ( $row[2] != '' )
... column 2 is not empty ...
}
}
}
This is code from my own site - I'm not the world's greatest PHP
programmer so there may be better ways to do this!
Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
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Re: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Having coded pretty extensively in both CF and PHP (and some ASP -- sloowww), I'd still give the crown to CF. PHP -- as mentioned -- is a little uglier in database access/query output. But then, so is any language compared to CF, at least to me. I have yet to see db code that's as legible as CF's in another language myself. I have yet to see another language that will allow you to use flow control in the middle of a sql script -- in all other cases I've seen you have to use flow control to build a string and then use the string to call a function on the db or recordset object. Which never seems as legible to me as something like cfif blah is null cfelse = #myval# /cfif Where PHP shines -- and cuts development time -- is it's Perl-like attributes: robust regex support and so on. I recently had to write a custom tag for CF, about 40 lines of code, that took ONE line of code in PHP and Perl. not sure I know what's meant by perl-like attributes, but the support for regex in MX is pretty thorough from what I understand, even including negative-look-ahead. So you really can't say one is faster than the other without some qualifications. That said, I still think that CF is -- for appropriate task -- significantly faster than PHP, UNLESS one has a library of PHP modules (object-oriented PHP, classes...) that one can cobble together relatively quickly. How would a library of OO PHP classes be faster to implement than a library of OO style or simply reusable CF code? I suppose I've never really perceived cutting dev. time as being the big advantage of OO architecture anyway -- I always saw it as flexibility and black-boxing. True, it's faster to build a derived class with few of its own properties and/or methods than it is to build an object from scratch, but building an object at all isn't always necessarily faster than building a non OO solution. And of course you can save time by being able to update many classes simultaneously by altering the definition of an ancestor class -- although with projects of any considerable size I doubt this is done frequently. Most of the time imho you wouldn't want to make changes of any functional nature to a core class once a project had left the drawing board for fear of damaging the function of derived classes. s. isaac dealey954-776-0046 new epoch http://www.turnkey.to lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Where PHP shines -- and cuts development time -- is it's Perl-like attributes: robust regex support and so on. I recently had to write a custom tag for CF, about 40 lines of code, that took ONE line of code in PHP and Perl. If you're running CFMX on Java 1.4, then you can make use of Java's regular expression facilities which are amazingly full-featured. I can't remember what package its in, but the main class in question is Pattern. The String class also has a couple RE-based methods that make use of that class internally to make common operations simpler. The CFMX RE engine is NOT based on it, because CFMX ships with 1.3, and these are new to 1.4, although I suspect that'll be an update at some point. barneyb --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
If you're running CFMX on Java 1.4, then you can make use of Java's regular expression facilities which are amazingly full-featured. I can't remember what package its in, but the main class in question is Pattern. The String class also has a couple RE-based methods that make use of that class internally to make common operations simpler. The CFMX RE engine is NOT based on it, because CFMX ships with 1.3, and these are new to 1.4, although I suspect that'll be an update at some point. I was under the impression that you could swap the JRE you're using in the standalone product via the CF Administrator, no? I use CFMX for JRun4 which allows me to swap out the JRE JRun, and hence CFMX, uses, so I'm not as familiar with the standalone product. Regards, Dave. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed?
Yeah, you can swap the JRE on CFMX, just the same as in JRun. Just make sure you don't bungle the JRE path, or you get to go play with the XML config for the server. ;) Just out of curiosity, anyone have a good reason NOT to upgrade the JRE to 1.4.1 from the 1.3 that ships with CFMX? I've been running on 1.4.0 followed by 1.4.1 without any issues. barneyb -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: PHP versus CF Development Speed? If you're running CFMX on Java 1.4, then you can make use of Java's regular expression facilities which are amazingly full-featured. I can't remember what package its in, but the main class in question is Pattern. The String class also has a couple RE-based methods that make use of that class internally to make common operations simpler. The CFMX RE engine is NOT based on it, because CFMX ships with 1.3, and these are new to 1.4, although I suspect that'll be an update at some point. I was under the impression that you could swap the JRE you're using in the standalone product via the CF Administrator, no? I use CFMX for JRun4 which allows me to swap out the JRE JRun, and hence CFMX, uses, so I'm not as familiar with the standalone product. Regards, Dave. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
