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I agree...seems ridiculous to me to drop off a list because of a small fee... Rick From: Clint Tredway [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:51 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text? I was on an insulin pump mailing list that had a message asking for donations... if you donated any amount, that message was removed from the emails... I donated $10 and that took care of that... I honestly can't believe that people would drop off the list if a small amount was required... On 4/21/05, Larry Lyons wrote: I would be forced to withdraw, and I imagine that lots of other people might be in the same boat for the same reason that Jochem and Paul Hastings mentioned. I've been through this before elsewhere, and I simply wouldn't be able to justify the risk. And it's worth pointing out that the list would be significantly less valuable if it loses the likes of Jochem and Paul. Between the two of them, they cover everything there is to know about RFCs and Unicode! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software Instead of forcing people to pay to subscribe to the list, an alternative could be an advertising free list for a fee - $20 to $50 a year lets say, and a free, but supported by ads lists. That way if you're willing to suffer the ad links in the contents of the messages, you don't have to pay. But you can get rid of the ads by paying a small fee up front. Then after you log into the HOF site, the ad links in the message content would dissappear. This way all views are accommodated. larry -- Larry C. Lyons Web Analyst BEI Resources American Type Culture Collection email: llyons(at)atcc(dot)org tel: 703.365.2700.2678 -- ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203837 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Is your unwillingness to pay a subscription based on the fact that you feel like you don't benefit from the list? Or that you give more to the list than you take? I can understand someone's reluctance to pay if really all they do is give answers to others and don't get answers to questions. But if you ever get answers you really need why wouldn't you be willing to help pay for the work that's done to bring you those answers? And if there are so many other resources that are as good as this one, then why participate in this one? I would have to cut something out... takes too long to go through all the mail! And...for info's sake...what other resources can you point out that I could use that are as rich with information, convenient, and have such good participation? Just trying to understand your perspective Rick From: Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:17 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text? There are plenty of free sources of information out there that this very list offers. There is no way I'd pay to subscribe to a mailing list. Now if I were to find that I was greatly benifiting from it, I would make a donation to whoever maintained it. I have done donations in the past to things that offered me free help that I in turn benifited from in my work. Now if a place put in advertisement links for something I typed then I might think twice about putting postings there. I am on a car forum that does this and rarely post on it these days but my rare postings have nothing to do with their advertisements. On 4/20/05, Rick Faircloth wrote: I would not pay a subscription to a list I think you might change your mind if all lists gave the choice of buying a subscription or acceptads and those were the only ones around. That's like saying to Mike...hey, I'm perfectly willing to participate and benefit from your work, but not if you're going to benefit... ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203845 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Rick...couple of points 1) can we move this to cf-community? 2) did Mike even say he is considering charging for the list? You seem to be fighting for something that the list owner isn't even considering implementing. 3) can we move this to cf-community? On 4/21/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your unwillingness to pay a subscription based on the fact that you feel like you don't benefit from the list? Or that you give more to the list than you take? I can understand someone's reluctance to pay if really all they do is give answers to others and don't get answers to questions. But if you ever get answers you really need why wouldn't you be willing to help pay for the work that's done to bring you those answers? And if there are so many other resources that are as good as this one, then why participate in this one? I would have to cut something out... takes too long to go through all the mail! And...for info's sake...what other resources can you point out that I could use that are as rich with information, convenient, and have such good participation? Just trying to understand your perspective Rick From: Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:17 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text? There are plenty of free sources of information out there that this very list offers. There is no way I'd pay to subscribe to a mailing list. Now if I were to find that I was greatly benifiting from it, I would make a donation to whoever maintained it. I have done donations in the past to things that offered me free help that I in turn benifited from in my work. Now if a place put in advertisement links for something I typed then I might think twice about putting postings there. I am on a car forum that does this and rarely post on it these days but my rare postings have nothing to do with their advertisements. On 4/20/05, Rick Faircloth wrote: I would not pay a subscription to a list I think you might change your mind if all lists gave the choice of buying a subscription or acceptads and those were the only ones around. That's like saying to Mike...hey, I'm perfectly willing to participate and benefit from your work, but not if you're going to benefit... ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203850 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Sure, Charlie...no problem. I've said about all I have to say anyway. I don't subscribe to CF-Community...I have a hard enough time getting through all the email I get now. I'm just concerned about Mike...I suspect, based on his comments to the list now and in the past, that he doesn't like bringing up stuff like this and discussing. I just thought I'd carry his banner for awhile. I've received great benefit from the list and would like to see Mike (and others, if you've got a donate button let me know!) benefit, too. I would have that he's suffering financially to help me prosper... Some good ideas have been discussed...so I'll shut up now. Just don't forget, everyone, to *voluntarily* donate! Rick From: Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text? Rick...couple of points 1) can we move this to cf-community? 2) did Mike even say he is considering charging for the list? You seem to be fighting for something that the list owner isn't even considering implementing. 3) can we move this to cf-community? On 4/21/05, Rick Faircloth wrote: Is your unwillingness to pay a subscription based on the fact that you feel like you don't benefit from the list? Or that you give more to the list than you take? I can understand someone's reluctance to pay if really all they do is give answers to others and don't get answers to questions. But if you ever get answers you really need why wouldn't you be willing to help pay for the work that's done to bring you those answers? And if there are so many other resources that are as good as this one, then why participate in this one? I would have to cut something out... takes too long to go through all the mail! And...for info's sake...what other resources can you point out that I could use that are as rich with information, convenient, and have such good participation? Just trying to understand your perspective Rick From: Aaron Rouse Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text? There are plenty of free sources of information out there that this very list offers. There is no way I'd pay to subscribe to a mailing list. Now if I were to find that I was greatly benifiting from it, I would make a donation to whoever maintained it. I have done donations in the past to things that offered me free help that I in turn benifited from in my work. Now if a place put in advertisement links for something I typed then I might think twice about putting postings there. I am on a car forum that does this and rarely post on it these days but my rare postings have nothing to do with their advertisements. On 4/20/05, Rick Faircloth wrote: I would not pay a subscription to a list I think you might change your mind if all lists gave the choice of buying a subscription or acceptads and those were the only ones around. That's like saying to Mike...hey, I'm perfectly willing to participate and benefit from your work, but not if you're going to benefit... ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203855 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Is your unwillingness to pay a subscription based on the fact that you feel like you don't benefit from the list? Or that you give more to the list than you take? I do not feel I benifit enough from this list to warrant paying to be on it. Matter of fact I am not 100% sure I have benifited from this list in quite sometime. I know the last couple of questions I posted I never got a complete answer from the list, and if I was paying to be on this list then I would start to get irritated if the answers were no better than I could get elsewhere or if they were lesser which is the case at times. What exactly would someone be paying for? Are they just paying to be on a list because someone has a dedicated connection to the internet and setup a list manager on it? Are they paying because gurus are paid to be on the list and offer help to anyone? Are they paying because gurus are allowed on for free? Charging at this point in time would simply encourage others to start their own lists and would de-centralize the user base. I can understand someone's reluctance to pay if really all they do is give answers to others and don't get answers to questions. But if you ever get answers you really need why wouldn't you be willing to help pay for the work that's done to bring you those answers? And if there are so many other resources that are as good as this one, then why participate in this one? I would have to cut something out... takes too long to go through all the mail! I do not go through all my email, I participate in many mailing lists and forums though. Sometimes asking questions, sometimes reading or sometimes just as a subscriber. And...for info's sake...what other resources can you point out that I could use that are as rich with information, convenient, and have such good participation? As an example, I asked a question on here about CFLDAP and the problems we were having with it. I did not get much response from this list, I asked the same question in IRC and got a very good response(I still have no solution though other than going back to CF5). Then there are existing contacts I have made over the years. I have numerous people I stay in touch with in IMs and emails. Local CFUGs usually have mailing lists that while maybe are not high trafficed they do tend to have highly skilled people on them willing to help. My primary contract is at a company that has an internal CF mailing list full of people willing to help. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203858 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I certainly understand your perspective. If I didn't benefit, I wouldn't pay to be on here, either... Rick From: Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:01 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text? Is your unwillingness to pay a subscription based on the fact that you feel like you don't benefit from the list? Or that you give more to the list than you take? I do not feel I benifit enough from this list to warrant paying to be on it. Matter of fact I am not 100% sure I have benifited from this list in quite sometime. I know the last couple of questions I posted I never got a complete answer from the list, and if I was paying to be on this list then I would start to get irritated if the answers were no better than I could get elsewhere or if they were lesser which is the case at times. What exactly would someone be paying for? Are they just paying to be on a list because someone has a dedicated connection to the internet and setup a list manager on it? Are they paying because gurus are paid to be on the list and offer help to anyone? Are they paying because gurus are allowed on for free? Charging at this point in time would simply encourage others to start their own lists and would de-centralize the user base. I can understand someone's reluctance to pay if really all they do is give answers to others and don't get answers to questions. But if you ever get answers you really need why wouldn't you be willing to help pay for the work that's done to bring you those answers? And if there are so many other resources that are as good as this one, then why participate in this one? I would have to cut something out... takes too long to go through all the mail! I do not go through all my email, I participate in many mailing lists and forums though. Sometimes asking questions, sometimes reading or sometimes just as a subscriber. And...for info's sake...what other resources can you point out that I could use that are as rich with information, convenient, and have such good participation? As an example, I asked a question on here about CFLDAP and the problems we were having with it. I did not get much response from this list, I asked the same question in IRC and got a very good response(I still have no solution though other than going back to CF5). Then there are existing contacts I have made over the years. I have numerous people I stay in touch with in IMs and emails. Local CFUGs usually have mailing lists that while maybe are not high trafficed they do tend to have highly skilled people on them willing to help. My primary contract is at a company that has an internal CF mailing list full of people willing to help. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203869 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Is your unwillingness to pay a subscription based on the fact that you feel like you don't benefit from the list? Or that you give more to the list than you take? I do not feel I benifit enough from this list to warrant paying to be on it. Matter of fact I am not 100% sure I have benifited from this list in quite sometime. I know the last couple of questions I posted I never got a complete answer from the list, and if I was paying to be on this list then I would start to get irritated if the answers were no better than I could get elsewhere or if they were lesser which is the case at times. If you do not think you're benefitting from this list then why continue to subscribe? I am sure that it would be no great disaster for the rest of us. The thing is that its also a two way street, you need to contribute as well as consume. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203877 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Did you not see the word enough Perhaps you are reading a little too far into the words I pick. Or perhaps you can not understand that I feel I would need to gain a certain amount out of something that normally can be found free to then justify paying for it. Anything offered on this list can be found elsewhere, maybe not in one centralized spot but still elsewhere. To go and charge for use of the list would very likely de-centralize information here since some would rather not pay. At that point what exactly would you be paying for? I may not contribute a lot to this list but I do know I contribute more than I ask of it. So really it would come down to if I paid to be here, I would be paying to answer a few questions here and there. So everyone who thinks it would be fine to pay admission for this list, how much have you donated over the years of using it? On 4/21/05, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your unwillingness to pay a subscription based on the fact that you feel like you don't benefit from the list? Or that you give more to the list than you take? I do not feel I benifit enough from this list to warrant paying to be on it. Matter of fact I am not 100% sure I have benifited from this list in quite sometime. I know the last couple of questions I posted I never got a complete answer from the list, and if I was paying to be on this list then I would start to get irritated if the answers were no better than I could get elsewhere or if they were lesser which is the case at times. If you do not think you're benefitting from this list then why continue to subscribe? I am sure that it would be no great disaster for the rest of us. The thing is that its also a two way street, you need to contribute as well as consume. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203882 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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The point is that you *do* find this list a better source of information and assistance than you do other resources...you stated that it was more centralized...meaning you can get what you need easier and quicker...if it weren't of benefit to you, you wouldn't use it. Rick From: Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text? Did you not see the word enough Perhaps you are reading a little too far into the words I pick. Or perhaps you can not understand that I feel I would need to gain a certain amount out of something that normally can be found free to then justify paying for it. Anything offered on this list can be found elsewhere, maybe not in one centralized spot but still elsewhere. To go and charge for use of the list would very likely de-centralize information here since some would rather not pay. At that point what exactly would you be paying for? I may not contribute a lot to this list but I do know I contribute more than I ask of it. So really it would come down to if I paid to be here, I would be paying to answer a few questions here and there. So everyone who thinks it would be fine to pay admission for this list, how much have you donated over the years of using it? On 4/21/05, Larry Lyons wrote: Is your unwillingness to pay a subscription based on the fact that you feel like you don't benefit from the list? Or that you give more to the list than you take? I do not feel I benifit enough from this list to warrant paying to be on it. Matter of fact I am not 100% sure I have benifited from this list in quite sometime. I know the last couple of questions I posted I never got a complete answer from the list, and if I was paying to be on this list then I would start to get irritated if the answers were no better than I could get elsewhere or if they were lesser which is the case at times. If you do not think you're benefitting from this list then why continue to subscribe? I am sure that it would be no great disaster for the rest of us. The thing is that its also a two way street, you need to contribute as well as consume. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203886 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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How much have you donated to be on this list over the entire time you have been on it? I randomly get on this list to help people with quick questions more than anything else. I rarely post questions to it. Clearly it is not 100% centralized or I would not maintain a presense in multiple other places. My point on centralization is that if it were to all the sudden cost money to be here, is it all the sudden would drive people away. On 4/21/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is that you *do* find this list a better source of information and assistance than you do other resources...you stated that it was more centralized...meaning you can get what you need easier and quicker...if it weren't of benefit to you, you wouldn't use it. Rick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203889 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Aaron Rouse wrote: I do not feel I benifit enough from this list to warrant paying to be on it. Matter of fact I am not 100% sure I have benifited from this list in quite sometime. I know the last couple of questions I posted I never got a complete answer from the list, and if I was paying to be on this list then I would start to get irritated if the answers were no better than I could get elsewhere or if they were lesser which is the case at times. Larry Lyons wrote: If you do not think you're benefitting from this list then why continue to subscribe? I am sure that it would be no great disaster for the rest of us. The thing is that its also a two way street, you need to contribute as well as consume. What it comes down to is, you don't HAVE to do anything to be on this list. Just because someone is not a prolific poster doesn't mean they don't belong. Did you ever stop to think that many people on this list donate in different ways to this cause? Just because we aren't singing the praises of a fee-based list and whiping drool off our faces with addled glee when every piece of OT tripe comes our way doesn't mean we don't care. Andy ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203910 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I know this is off topic - but I wanted to point out that at least for me, I subscribe to this list to get help when I can't figure out how to do something with CF. Why I do things with CF is that it was the easiest way for me to give back to the community - not this community, here I really don't often have much to offer, not an expert programmer. The community I serve is the hiking community, and I am very driven to get as many people into the hills as a means of preservation as possible. I just want to point out that some things are done for the love of it, and some not. Just as this list serves me, I serve another, and so on, and so on. I would hate to see the list become a community I can't afford, or worse still choose not to afford - I really like it very much, and the people who over the years have been so helpful to me. Thank you all :-) John Interested in Hiking in Washington State? Check out http://www.attrition.ws -Original Message- From: Andrew Tyrone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text? Aaron Rouse wrote: I do not feel I benifit enough from this list to warrant paying to be on it. Matter of fact I am not 100% sure I have benifited from this list in quite sometime. I know the last couple of questions I posted I never got a complete answer from the list, and if I was paying to be on this list then I would start to get irritated if the answers were no better than I could get elsewhere or if they were lesser which is the case at times. Larry Lyons wrote: If you do not think you're benefitting from this list then why continue to subscribe? I am sure that it would be no great disaster for the rest of us. The thing is that its also a two way street, you need to contribute as well as consume. What it comes down to is, you don't HAVE to do anything to be on this list. Just because someone is not a prolific poster doesn't mean they don't belong. Did you ever stop to think that many people on this list donate in different ways to this cause? Just because we aren't singing the praises of a fee-based list and whiping drool off our faces with addled glee when every piece of OT tripe comes our way doesn't mean we don't care. Andy ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203924 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text?
Dont ask to move it to community and then ask a question... yes Mike did ask if we would be willing to pay a small fee if there was one. Not that he plans to do so but just to find out what we thought -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text? Rick...couple of points 1) can we move this to cf-community? 2) did Mike even say he is considering charging for the list? You seem to be fighting for something that the list owner isn't even considering implementing. 3) can we move this to cf-community? On 4/21/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your unwillingness to pay a subscription based on the fact that you feel like you don't benefit from the list? Or that you give more to the list than you take? I can understand someone's reluctance to pay if really all they do is give answers to others and don't get answers to questions. But if you ever get answers you really need why wouldn't you be willing to help pay for the work that's done to bring you those answers? And if there are so many other resources that are as good as this one, then why participate in this one? I would have to cut something out... takes too long to go through all the mail! And...for info's sake...what other resources can you point out that I could use that are as rich with information, convenient, and have such good participation? Just trying to understand your perspective Rick From: Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:17 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: wtf are those advertizing links in the text? There are plenty of free sources of information out there that this very list offers. There is no way I'd pay to subscribe to a mailing list. Now if I were to find that I was greatly benifiting from it, I would make a donation to whoever maintained it. I have done donations in the past to things that offered me free help that I in turn benifited from in my work. Now if a place put in advertisement links for something I typed then I might think twice about putting postings there. I am on a car forum that does this and rarely post on it these days but my rare postings have nothing to do with their advertisements. On 4/20/05, Rick Faircloth wrote: I would not pay a subscription to a list I think you might change your mind if all lists gave the choice of buying a subscription or acceptads and those were the only ones around. That's like saying to Mike...hey, I'm perfectly willing to participate and benefit from your work, but not if you're going to benefit... ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203925 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
