RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. - Many Thanks
Don,
Here's how it works.
We need two tables. One to record the DateTime that a request began. And
another table which records when requests complete.
For each record in tRequestStart, there may or may not be a record in
tRequestComplete depnding on whether the whole page was received at the
Client.
I'm using MsSQL7, stored procedures and ISS. You may need to use SQL
statements in your code if using Access.
You'll need MDAC installed to use ADO.
Table structure (tRequestStart)
iUniqueID int (AutoIncrement) PK
iCrewID int
DTRequestStart DateTime
Table structure (tRequestComplete)
iRequestID int PK (NOTE: Not AutoIncrement)
iCrewID int
DTRequestEnd DateTime
I my case, I pick users for a CFTree, so the CFTREEITEMKEY contains the
UserID.
At the start of the page the user has requested, use the following CF code
to call a stored procedure.
Change the Datasource name to match yours. You may need to use a CFQUERY
depending on DB
The SQL for the SP is simple
CREATE PROCEDURE sp_InsertReqStartRecord
@SUCCESS int OUTPUT,
@iCrewID int
AS
INSERT INTO tRequestStart
(
[iCrewID],
[DTRequestStart]
)
VALUES
(
@iCrewID,
GETDATE()
)
SELECT @SUCCESS = @@IDENTITY
This creates the time-stamped record and returns the RecordID, which we use
at the end of the page.
If you don't have Remote Scripting,it's a small download from Microsoft's
Web site from
http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/scripting/remotescripting/rsdown.htm
You may also need the latest Windows Scripting engine which you can install
from any IE5 installation.
Now the fairly complex bit. Remote scripting lets you call a function on the
server from the client.
You create a Active Server Page with the function you will to call from the
Client and declare them in a special way.
Getting the Server side working was the hardest part for me.
Here's the final piece of code that runs on the Client. There a two pieces
of JavaScript required. One to enable Remote Scripting and the other to call
the Server Side function.
1) Enable Remote Scripting. This should be place immediately after the
tag. Note: NOT in the
RSEnableRemoteScripting("../_ScriptLibrary/RScripting")
I had a lot of problems with paths. The installation of Remote Scripting put
stuff into C:\Inetpub\WWWRoot\_ScriptLibrary which is normally in the root
level of your Web Server. Try to get samples working with this path before
you go copying stuff to other directories, otherwise you'll never figure
what's causing errors (coding or path errors).
2) Call the Exported Server Function. This should be the last line of code
in your page. You know the user recieved th rest of the page if this script
runs.
co =
RSExecute("LogRosterRequest.asp","logreq",#CFTREEITEMKEY#,#Result#);
if (co.return_value ==1) {
window.alert("Your Roster Request has been logged.");
}
Here I'm calling an Exported function called logreq (Javascript is case
sensitive) from an Active Server Page called LogRosterRequest.asp. Again be
careful with paths. I'm passing in The UserID (#CFTREEITEMKEY#) and the
RecordID (#Result#) we got when CF called the stored procedure and created a
record in tRequestStart.
On the server.
Make sure RS.htm, RS.Asp and RSProxy.class exist in
c:\inetpub\wwwroot\_scriptlibrary.
Finally here is the code for LogRosterRequest.asp which exist in the same
directory and the CFM page that get's sent to the Client.
<%@ LANGUAGE=VBSCRIPT %>
<% Option Explicit %>
<% RSDispatch %>
var public_description = new MyServerMethods();
function MyServerMethods()
{
this.logreq = Function( 'n1','n2','return addRecord(n1,n2)' );
}
Function addRecord(crewstr,recstr)
Dim objCmd
Dim objConn
' Data types are converted because they are passed as strings
addRosterRecord = 0
Set objConn = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
Set objCmd = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Command")
objConn.ConnectionString = "PROVIDER=SQLOLEDB" & _
";SERVER=ServerName;UID=UserName;PWD=Password;DATABASE=DatabaseName"
objConn.Open
If (objConn.State = adStateOpen) Then
Set objCmd.activeconnection=objconn
objCmd.CommandText = "sp_InsertReqRecEnd"
objCmd.Parameters.Append objCmd.CreateParameter("@SUCCESS", adInteger,
adParamOutput, 0, 0)
objCmd.Parameters.Append objCmd.CreateParameter("@iCrewID", adInteger,
adParamInput, , CInt(crewstr))
objCmd.Parameters.Append objCmd.CreateParameter("@iRecID", adInteger,
adParamInput, , CInt(recstr))
objCmd.CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
objCmd.Execute
addRosterRecord = ObjCmd("@SUCCESS")
End if
Set ObjCmd.ActiveConnection = Nothing
Set ObjCmd = Nothing
Set objConn=Nothing
End Function
You'll to change the ADO connection string to use your Server, Database and
log in with a valid Username and Password.
This code calls a store procedure which inserts the matching time-stamped
record. Here's the Stored procedure.
CREATE PROCEDURE sp_Inse
Re: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. - Many Thanks
I would be interested in seeing code. Thanks - Original Message - From: "Michael O Reilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. - Many Thanks > Hi all, > > I'd just like to thank everyone who suggested solutions to the problem of > getting confirmation that a user has received all of a page they have > requested. The solution may be of use to others. > > Heres how it works > When a user requests to see the page I'm interested in logging, I call a > stored procedure which inserts a userid and datetime into a table > (t_RequestStart). At the end of the requested page is a small piece of > Javascript which uses remote scripting to call a function back on the > server. This function uses ADO to call a similar stored procedure. This > inserts a record into a separate table (t_RequestEnd) which again stores the > user id and datetime. By ordering records by datetime for a user in both > tables, we can see the http requests beginning and end times. Where > t_RequestStart and t_RequestEnd are within say 1 minute of each other, we > can safely assume that the user has recieved the page. > > If anyone is interested in this code, I'm happy to share it. Microsoft's > documentation on Remote scripting seems to have some bugs in it. It took me > about 2 hours to get the sample code working, probably because of my > inexperience with ASP. > I also seem to be suffering from brain melt from using ASP, CF and > JavaScript at the same time. > > Regards > Michael O'Reilly > TransAer > > > > > > > -- > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. - Many Thanks
Hi all, I'd just like to thank everyone who suggested solutions to the problem of getting confirmation that a user has received all of a page they have requested. The solution may be of use to others. Heres how it works When a user requests to see the page I'm interested in logging, I call a stored procedure which inserts a userid and datetime into a table (t_RequestStart). At the end of the requested page is a small piece of Javascript which uses remote scripting to call a function back on the server. This function uses ADO to call a similar stored procedure. This inserts a record into a separate table (t_RequestEnd) which again stores the user id and datetime. By ordering records by datetime for a user in both tables, we can see the http requests beginning and end times. Where t_RequestStart and t_RequestEnd are within say 1 minute of each other, we can safely assume that the user has recieved the page. If anyone is interested in this code, I'm happy to share it. Microsoft's documentation on Remote scripting seems to have some bugs in it. It took me about 2 hours to get the sample code working, probably because of my inexperience with ASP. I also seem to be suffering from brain melt from using ASP, CF and JavaScript at the same time. Regards Michael O'Reilly TransAer -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Sounds like you have a people problem, not a technology problem. At 11:01 AM 8/22/00 +0100, Michael O Reilly wrote: The point of getting notification that a user has seen his/her roster page is in case they decide to go AWOL after seeing they are rostered for a job they may not wish to do. We can therefore say that we know you seen you were rostered for job x and should have reported for duty. In this case, a button the user voluntarily clicks, won't work. Also a <BODY onUnload=""> solution isn't really confirming that the whole page loaded. I need to post some info back to the server near the end of the page without the user knowing. If I set up a form with an action property targetting a hidden frame, some hidden form fields and put some Javascript into the end of the page which submits the form data , the data should go back to the server? I'm wondering if anyone has done this sort of thing. Regards Michael O'Reilly TransAer -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" eudora="autourl">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 August 2000 10:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. Why not use an "I have read this" button that the user must click? An alternative is an onUnload routine in the <BODY> tag... but, yhis just means it was received, and that the user has moved on. Dick At 9:41 AM +0100 8/22/00, Michael O Reilly wrote: >Hi all, >I have been given a problem which I'm not sure is solvable. >We are to publish staff rosters on the Web and want to know if staff have >been notified of/looked at their roster. >I have said that although we can detect that the user has requested a page, >it's impossible to know if the whole page arrived at the browser (people are >connecting in from all over the world on some very dodgy telco systems so >connection speeds can be assumed to be poor). Am I correct here. > >I know I could put a JS onload event into the <body> tag which submits some >info back to the server. But can I put anything at the end of the page which >would do the same. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk" eudora="autourl">http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk" eudora="autourl">http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --- Peter Theobald, Chief Technology Officer LiquidStreaming http://www.liquidstreaming.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.liquidstreaming.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 1.212.545.1232 Fax 1.212.679.8032 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
No, OnRequestEnd only signifies that the Cold Fusion server has finished processing the page and is sending it to the user. It does not tell you that the page made it to the user's browser without network errors. I think an OnUnload is your only bet. At 10:55 AM 8/22/00 +0100, Paul Johnston wrote: Why not use the OnRequestEnd.cfm page (like application.cfm but at end of request not start!) and test that this has run. You can do this by putting an if statement to check which page has been requested by the user, and assuming you have ID's and stuff of various users, you can put in a database that they have received the page when this page is hit. You can not however without some kind of "I have read this" button, test whether they have read it and there is no way you can check if they've understood it ;) Paul > -Original Message- > From: Michael O Reilly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" eudora="autourl">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 22 August 2000 09:42 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. > > > Hi all, > I have been given a problem which I'm not sure is solvable. > We are to publish staff rosters on the Web and want to know if staff have > been notified of/looked at their roster. > I have said that although we can detect that the user has > requested a page, > it's impossible to know if the whole page arrived at the browser > (people are > connecting in from all over the world on some very dodgy telco systems so > connection speeds can be assumed to be poor). Am I correct here. > > I know I could put a JS onload event into the tag which > submits some > info back to the server. But can I put anything at the end of the > page which > would do the same. > > -- > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit > http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf" eudora="autourl">http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf > _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > 'unsubscribe' in the body. > -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk" eudora="autourl">http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --- Peter Theobald, Chief Technology Officer LiquidStreaming http://www.liquidstreaming.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.liquidstreaming.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 1.212.545.1232 Fax 1.212.679.8032 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
> Thanks for the suggestion, I don't really care if they don't > read the page, so long as I know that they requested the page > and it all arrived at their browser. If the user stops a slow > page download, will OnRequestEnd be triggered. I need to verify > that everything arrived at the browser, which is why I'm > concentrating on a Client side solution. If you need to verify that an entire page was received and rendered by the browser, you'll have to rely on a client-side solution using JavaScript that returns data to the server. There's simply no other way. > The point of getting notification that a user has seen his/her > roster page is in case they decide to go AWOL after seeing they > are rostered for a job they may not wish to do. We can therefore > say that we know you seen you were rostered for job x and should > have reported for duty. In this case, a button the user voluntarily > clicks, won't work. I'd argue that this is more a process problem than a programming problem. Here's what I'd suggest. 1. Log the entry to the roster page, and inform users before entry that they are responsible for any jobs listed in that roster page - if they can't get it to display, then it's their responsibility to contact the roster manager and ensure they're not listed. 2. Put a form on the roster page to allow users to indicate that they did read the form. Use the ONUNLOAD event of the BODY tag to make it difficult to leave the page without submitting the form. 3. If a user requested the roster page, but didn't complete the form, log that information and take the appropriate response. What that response might be is up to you - maybe an email notification, maybe a phone call from the roster manager. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Two possibilities: 1. Doesn't CF throw a timeout/abort error if the page is cancelled before it's finished? 2. (Sneaky one this) use the 'web bug' idea - add an tag at the end of the source, after the roster info with the SRC pointing to a CF script that logs the request and returns an invisible 1x1 gif. No client side scripting or frames to worry about, your only problem would be people turning off images in the browser. -- Paul Wakefield Hofstadter's Law - It always takes longer than you think, even if you take into account Hofstadter's Law. > -Original Message- > From: Michael O Reilly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:42 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. > > > Hi all, > I have been given a problem which I'm not sure is solvable. > We are to publish staff rosters on the Web and want to know > if staff have > been notified of/looked at their roster. > I have said that although we can detect that the user has > requested a page, > it's impossible to know if the whole page arrived at the > browser (people are > connecting in from all over the world on some very dodgy > telco systems so > connection speeds can be assumed to be poor). Am I correct here. > > I know I could put a JS onload event into the tag > which submits some > info back to the server. But can I put anything at the end of > the page which > would do the same. > > -- > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Paul, Thanks for the suggestion, I don't really care if they don't read the page, so long as I know that they requested the page and it all arrived at their browser. If the user stops a slow page download, will OnRequestEnd be triggered. I need to verify that everything arrived at the browser, which is why I'm concentrating on a Client side solution. Michael -Original Message- From: Paul Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. Why not use the OnRequestEnd.cfm page (like application.cfm but at end of request not start!) and test that this has run. You can do this by putting an if statement to check which page has been requested by the user, and assuming you have ID's and stuff of various users, you can put in a database that they have received the page when this page is hit. You can not however without some kind of "I have read this" button, test whether they have read it and there is no way you can check if they've understood it ;) Paul > -Original Message- > From: Michael O Reilly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 22 August 2000 09:42 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. > > > Hi all, > I have been given a problem which I'm not sure is solvable. > We are to publish staff rosters on the Web and want to know if staff have > been notified of/looked at their roster. > I have said that although we can detect that the user has > requested a page, > it's impossible to know if the whole page arrived at the browser > (people are > connecting in from all over the world on some very dodgy telco systems so > connection speeds can be assumed to be poor). Am I correct here. > > I know I could put a JS onload event into the tag which > submits some > info back to the server. But can I put anything at the end of the > page which > would do the same. > > -- > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit > http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf > _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > 'unsubscribe' in the body. > -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Why not use the OnRequestEnd.cfm page (like application.cfm but at end of request not start!) and test that this has run. You can do this by putting an if statement to check which page has been requested by the user, and assuming you have ID's and stuff of various users, you can put in a database that they have received the page when this page is hit. You can not however without some kind of "I have read this" button, test whether they have read it and there is no way you can check if they've understood it ;) Paul > -Original Message- > From: Michael O Reilly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 22 August 2000 09:42 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. > > > Hi all, > I have been given a problem which I'm not sure is solvable. > We are to publish staff rosters on the Web and want to know if staff have > been notified of/looked at their roster. > I have said that although we can detect that the user has > requested a page, > it's impossible to know if the whole page arrived at the browser > (people are > connecting in from all over the world on some very dodgy telco systems so > connection speeds can be assumed to be poor). Am I correct here. > > I know I could put a JS onload event into the tag which > submits some > info back to the server. But can I put anything at the end of the > page which > would do the same. > > -- > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit > http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf > _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > 'unsubscribe' in the body. > -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Remote scripting will work in any browser that supports java applets, should cover 99%. Hang on and let me find some resources for you. Email me and I'll send you what I have. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Willow Gold http://www.willowgold.com -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
> If we can be reasonably sure the page was viewed, then thats good enough. Michael, The only way I can see this working is - use a button or checkbox - this is equivalent to them signing it, like the license agreements you get in software - instigate a policy *requiring* people to use the button - put it *after* the roster information - design the page so that it would be implausible to say "I didn't see that part", i.e. make the page nice and compact so that no scrolling is required - maybe you could force the dimensions of the window to a certain size. Nick ** Information in this email is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. You should not otherwise copy it, retransmit it or use or disclose its contents to anyone. Thank you for your co-operation. ** -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Bill, I've seen remote scriptin mentioned on the list before. I downloaded stuff from MSDN, but the docs weren't great and at the time, I couldn't really think of a use, worth spending a couple of days mucking around with it. Now I that have, do you know of any resources, sample code that might be of help? It's IE dependent isn't it? Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. Could you use remote scripting ... which will execute server script to do whatever when the forms OnLoad fires. Remote scripting uses two java applets that allow a server round trip without ever leaving/updating the original client page. Other uses fro remote scripting to populate large combpo boxes when actually accessed vice waiting for big initial page download time. If you can't find or want some detail on remote scripting, give a yell: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Willow Gold http://www.willowgold.com -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Dick, If we can be reasonably sure the page was viewed, then thats good enough. If I can go back to my manager and say that this ain't 100% foolproof but it's as good as your gonna get, then he has no choice but to fly with it. Michael -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. Technically speaking, the onLoad is not supposed to fire until the entire page has been loaded... Some IE browsers (especially on the Mac) violate this, tho. You could use a script at the end of the page, a meta tag refresh, onUnload,, a button... But, what if they have the browser page hidden or not currently displayed... ...lots of excuses to bail on you: the text was too small that portion of the pag was off the screen I got interrupted and vever got back to it Sounds like a case of "The dog ate my roster". You are not going to solve this with a program or a script... a company policy and some enforced compliance is required. Dick At 11:01 AM +0100 8/22/00, Michael O Reilly wrote: >The point of getting notification that a user has seen his/her roster page >is in case they decide to go AWOL after seeing they are rostered for a job >they may not wish to do. We can therefore say that we know you seen you were >rostered for job x and should have reported for duty. In this case, a button >the user voluntarily clicks, won't work. > >Also a solution isn't really confirming that the whole >page loaded. I need to post some info back to the server near the end of the >page without the user knowing. If I set up a form with an action property >targetting a hidden frame, some hidden form fields and put some Javascript >into the end of the page which submits the form data , the data should go >back to the server? I'm wondering if anyone has done this sort of thing. > >Regards >Michael O'Reilly >TransAer > -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Technically speaking, the onLoad is not supposed to fire until the entire page has been loaded... Some IE browsers (especially on the Mac) violate this, tho. You could use a script at the end of the page, a meta tag refresh, onUnload,, a button... But, what if they have the browser page hidden or not currently displayed... ...lots of excuses to bail on you: the text was too small that portion of the pag was off the screen I got interrupted and vever got back to it Sounds like a case of "The dog ate my roster". You are not going to solve this with a program or a script... a company policy and some enforced compliance is required. Dick At 11:01 AM +0100 8/22/00, Michael O Reilly wrote: >The point of getting notification that a user has seen his/her roster page >is in case they decide to go AWOL after seeing they are rostered for a job >they may not wish to do. We can therefore say that we know you seen you were >rostered for job x and should have reported for duty. In this case, a button >the user voluntarily clicks, won't work. > >Also a solution isn't really confirming that the whole >page loaded. I need to post some info back to the server near the end of the >page without the user knowing. If I set up a form with an action property >targetting a hidden frame, some hidden form fields and put some Javascript >into the end of the page which submits the form data , the data should go >back to the server? I'm wondering if anyone has done this sort of thing. > >Regards >Michael O'Reilly >TransAer > -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Could you use remote scripting ... which will execute server script to do whatever when the forms OnLoad fires. Remote scripting uses two java applets that allow a server round trip without ever leaving/updating the original client page. Other uses fro remote scripting to populate large combpo boxes when actually accessed vice waiting for big initial page download time. If you can't find or want some detail on remote scripting, give a yell: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Willow Gold http://www.willowgold.com -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Hi Michael, You said: |I need to post some info back to the server near |the end of the |page without the user knowing. If I set up a form with an |action property |targetting a hidden frame, some hidden form fields and put |some Javascript |into the end of the page which submits the form data , the |data should go |back to the server? I'm wondering if anyone has done this sort |of thing. Check out the vote button on our home page( www.wow.ie ), it does just this. email me off list for the details. Regards, Anthony Geoghegan Lead Developer Ireland Film and Television Net 26 South Frederick Street Dublin 2 Ireland Tel: +353 1 671 3664 Fax: +353 1 671 0763 Web: www.iftn.ie www.wow.ie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This communication is confidential. The copyright in this communication belongs to Ireland Film & Television Net (IFTN) or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone IFTN on +353 1 671 3664 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of IFTN. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender except where the sender specifically states those are of view of IFTN. Except as required by law IFTN does not represent, warrant, and/guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained or that the communication is free of virus, interception or interference. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Michael, Maybe delaying an action of some sort by a set time at the bottom of the page (which should be requested last, and therefore executed last) however, doesn't really solve the problem because the page may not have fully rendered.plausible deniability. Stew -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
The point of getting notification that a user has seen his/her roster page is in case they decide to go AWOL after seeing they are rostered for a job they may not wish to do. We can therefore say that we know you seen you were rostered for job x and should have reported for duty. In this case, a button the user voluntarily clicks, won't work. Also a solution isn't really confirming that the whole page loaded. I need to post some info back to the server near the end of the page without the user knowing. If I set up a form with an action property targetting a hidden frame, some hidden form fields and put some Javascript into the end of the page which submits the form data , the data should go back to the server? I'm wondering if anyone has done this sort of thing. Regards Michael O'Reilly TransAer -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 August 2000 10:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed. Why not use an "I have read this" button that the user must click? An alternative is an onUnload routine in the tag... but, yhis just means it was received, and that the user has moved on. Dick At 9:41 AM +0100 8/22/00, Michael O Reilly wrote: >Hi all, >I have been given a problem which I'm not sure is solvable. >We are to publish staff rosters on the Web and want to know if staff have >been notified of/looked at their roster. >I have said that although we can detect that the user has requested a page, >it's impossible to know if the whole page arrived at the browser (people are >connecting in from all over the world on some very dodgy telco systems so >connection speeds can be assumed to be poor). Am I correct here. > >I know I could put a JS onload event into the tag which submits some >info back to the server. But can I put anything at the end of the page which >would do the same. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Slightly OT - Detecting that a page has completed.
Why not use an "I have read this" button that the user must click? An alternative is an onUnload routine in the tag... but, yhis just means it was received, and that the user has moved on. Dick At 9:41 AM +0100 8/22/00, Michael O Reilly wrote: >Hi all, >I have been given a problem which I'm not sure is solvable. >We are to publish staff rosters on the Web and want to know if staff have >been notified of/looked at their roster. >I have said that although we can detect that the user has requested a page, >it's impossible to know if the whole page arrived at the browser (people are >connecting in from all over the world on some very dodgy telco systems so >connection speeds can be assumed to be poor). Am I correct here. > >I know I could put a JS onload event into the tag which submits some >info back to the server. But can I put anything at the end of the page which >would do the same. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
