RE: a little about the future

2002-03-06 Thread Mike Kear 

I look forward to the day when someone - anyone -  puts some kind of
tutorial on the web that isn't couched in jargon.  The tutorials I've tried
to work through are either totally incomprehensible to me because they're
expressed in jargon, or they claim to be tutorials but aren't . . . they are
only examples.  And you have to have extensive prior knowledge of Flash to
be able to make head or tail of them.

It's unusual because there is a wealth of tutorial material for beginners on
ColdFusion, but no one has put anything for beginners that I've seen about
flash.

Is anyone aware of any beginner material on flash?  (I've asked this before
and was pointed towards flashcfm.com but I didn't find anything there that I
would call tutorials.  Only examples.  Look through them and you'll work it
out I was told.  Yeah right. If you know plenty before you start.

Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP WebWorks

( p.s. with my track record, someone is now going to show me a url for
somewhere I've been three times and never seen it. )

-Original Message-
From: Greg Alton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: a little about the future

I'm excited about Flash MX and CF MX. I'm the Flash evangelist over at CF
Dev
and what I love the most about Flash is the possibilty of building forms
with advanced state management and validation capabilities in a fraction
of
the time it takes to do the same thing with other technologies.

These forms require less code, are cross-browser compatible and easily
scalable (clustered servers). They're object-oriented forms and the probl
em
has been that it is very difficult to do the first time.

I'm guessing that Flash MX/CF MX will make this development much easier a
nd
therefore strengthen CF.

And Flash and Neo. Don't get me started!

Greg Alton
CFDev


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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-06 Thread Justin Waldrip 

When I learned flash I picked up a book for reference and hit up
flashkit.com. There are plenty of good tutorials out there. You can't
expect to be walked completely through the learning process. You have to
find and learn some of this stuff on your own. Otherwise everyone would
be a flash guru.

Thanks,

Justin Waldrip
Internet Technology Specialist
CCS, Group Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: a little about the future

I look forward to the day when someone - anyone -  puts some kind of
tutorial on the web that isn't couched in jargon.  The tutorials I've
tried
to work through are either totally incomprehensible to me because
they're
expressed in jargon, or they claim to be tutorials but aren't . . . they
are
only examples.  And you have to have extensive prior knowledge of Flash
to
be able to make head or tail of them.

It's unusual because there is a wealth of tutorial material for
beginners on
ColdFusion, but no one has put anything for beginners that I've seen
about
flash.

Is anyone aware of any beginner material on flash?  (I've asked this
before
and was pointed towards flashcfm.com but I didn't find anything there
that I
would call tutorials.  Only examples.  Look through them and you'll
work it
out I was told.  Yeah right. If you know plenty before you start.

Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP WebWorks

( p.s. with my track record, someone is now going to show me a url for
somewhere I've been three times and never seen it. )

-Original Message-
From: Greg Alton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: a little about the future

I'm excited about Flash MX and CF MX. I'm the Flash evangelist over at
CF
Dev
and what I love the most about Flash is the possibilty of building forms
with advanced state management and validation capabilities in a fraction
of
the time it takes to do the same thing with other technologies.

These forms require less code, are cross-browser compatible and easily
scalable (clustered servers). They're object-oriented forms and the
probl
em
has been that it is very difficult to do the first time.

I'm guessing that Flash MX/CF MX will make this development much easier
a
nd
therefore strengthen CF.

And Flash and Neo. Don't get me started!

Greg Alton
CFDev



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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-06 Thread Haggerty, Michael A. 

A word about Flashkit - make sure to check out the forums and follow 
links
to individual authors sites. 

The real meat to that site is the authors on the forums, and many of 
them
have individual 'example' sites that explain how to do the stuff you 
just
can't figure out. 

Two people you might want to watch for: Joshua Davis and Colin Moock. 
Their
work is great and they like to put up _very_ easy-to-understand 
examples. 

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Justin Waldrip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: a little about the future


When I learned flash I picked up a book for reference and hit up
flashkit.com. There are plenty of good tutorials out there. You can't
expect to be walked completely through the learning process. You have 
to
find and learn some of this stuff on your own. Otherwise everyone would
be a flash guru.

Thanks,

Justin Waldrip
Internet Technology Specialist
CCS, Group Inc.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: a little about the future

I look forward to the day when someone - anyone -  puts some kind of
tutorial on the web that isn't couched in jargon.  The tutorials I've
tried
to work through are either totally incomprehensible to me because
they're
expressed in jargon, or they claim to be tutorials but aren't . . . 
they
are
only examples.  And you have to have extensive prior knowledge of Flash
to
be able to make head or tail of them.

It's unusual because there is a wealth of tutorial material for
beginners on
ColdFusion, but no one has put anything for beginners that I've seen
about
flash.

Is anyone aware of any beginner material on flash?  (I've asked this
before
and was pointed towards flashcfm.com but I didn't find anything there
that I
would call tutorials.  Only examples.  Look through them and you'll
work it
out I was told.  Yeah right. If you know plenty before you start.

Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP WebWorks

( p.s. with my track record, someone is now going to show me a url for
somewhere I've been three times and never seen it. )

-Original Message-
From: Greg Alton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: a little about the future

I'm excited about Flash MX and CF MX. I'm the Flash evangelist over at
CF
Dev
and what I love the most about Flash is the possibilty of building 
forms
with advanced state management and validation capabilities in a 
fraction
of
the time it takes to do the same thing with other technologies.

These forms require less code, are cross-browser compatible and easily
scalable (clustered servers). They're object-oriented forms and the
probl
em
has been that it is very difficult to do the first time.

I'm guessing that Flash MX/CF MX will make this development much easier
a
nd
therefore strengthen CF.

And Flash and Neo. Don't get me started!

Greg Alton
CFDev




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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-06 Thread Haggerty, Michael A. 

If only I could talk about what I am doing in my spare time right 
now...
*sniff* between Macromedia's pending releases and my daughter going to
kindergarden, it is almost enough to make a man cry. Look how far they 
have
come!

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Greg Alton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: a little about the future


I'm excited about Flash MX and CF MX. I'm the Flash evangelist over at 
CF
Dev
and what I love the most about Flash is the possibilty of building 
forms
with advanced state management and validation capabilities in a 
fraction 
of
the time it takes to do the same thing with other technologies.

These forms require less code, are cross-browser compatible and easily
scalable (clustered servers). They're object-oriented forms and the 
probl
em
has been that it is very difficult to do the first time.

I'm guessing that Flash MX/CF MX will make this development much easier 
a
nd
therefore strengthen CF.

And Flash and Neo. Don't get me started!

Greg Alton
CFDev

- Original Message -
From: John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: a little about the future


 At 8:22 AM 3/4/2, Angel Stewart wrote:
  I don't like how they seem to have CF MX as errr 'supporting'
  Flash MX.. *folds arms and pouts*
  The whole thing was about Flash MX basically.
  *taps foot and pouts some more*

 Other folks had the info, if that helps. As Mike noted, text-based
 functionality is certainly stronger than before, and the smarter 
front 
end
 doesn't detract from that.

 I've been thinking of this aspect: ColdFusion was one of the first to
break
 away from stateless viewing sessions, by remembering things about the
 visitor on the server end of things. Now it has a stateless partner 
rig
ht
 in the client... there's no need to toss the page after each visitor
 interaction.

 These rich web applications with client-side processing are a 
logical
 extension of the previous type of web applications.

 ColdFusion didn't make regular static web servers obsolete... both
 expanded. A smart client won't make ColdFusions text-based generation
 obsolete either... just adds another tool to your toolbox.


 At 9:22 AM 3/4/2, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
  I've been dangling CF/Flash teasers in fornt of some local 
companies
  and they are flipping out about the potential.  So I guess we as
  developers could throw our opinions at this latest announcement
  until our fingers are red and raw or we could be happy that the
  folks that pay us to build applications like the idea ;-)

 It's great to hear you've been getting nibbles on this, even at this 
ea
rly
 stage. I hope it goes well for you, and please nudge us along with
 course-corrections as you see them, thanks:
 http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/

 (The list here is fine for nudging too, for sure, but the wishform 
gets
 requests directly logged for whichever development team you wish.)

 jd





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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-06 Thread Haggerty, Michael A. 

Something odd I noticed... there is no mention of Director MX. 

For those of us familiar enough with Flash and Director, one of the
traditional reasons for choosing Director was the ability to include dyna
mic
content, i.e. things like images not contained in the movie itself. 

Ummm... anyone from Macromedia care to comment on what is going on with
Flash's big brother?

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Greg Alton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: a little about the future


I'm excited about Flash MX and CF MX. I'm the Flash evangelist over at CF
Dev
and what I love the most about Flash is the possibilty of building forms
with advanced state management and validation capabilities in a fraction 
of
the time it takes to do the same thing with other technologies.

These forms require less code, are cross-browser compatible and easily
scalable (clustered servers). They're object-oriented forms and the probl
em
has been that it is very difficult to do the first time.

I'm guessing that Flash MX/CF MX will make this development much easier a
nd
therefore strengthen CF.

And Flash and Neo. Don't get me started!

Greg Alton
CFDev

- Original Message -
From: John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: a little about the future


 At 8:22 AM 3/4/2, Angel Stewart wrote:
  I don't like how they seem to have CF MX as errr 'supporting'
  Flash MX.. *folds arms and pouts*
  The whole thing was about Flash MX basically.
  *taps foot and pouts some more*

 Other folks had the info, if that helps. As Mike noted, text-based
 functionality is certainly stronger than before, and the smarter front 
end
 doesn't detract from that.

 I've been thinking of this aspect: ColdFusion was one of the first to
break
 away from stateless viewing sessions, by remembering things about the
 visitor on the server end of things. Now it has a stateless partner rig
ht
 in the client... there's no need to toss the page after each visitor
 interaction.

 These rich web applications with client-side processing are a logical
 extension of the previous type of web applications.

 ColdFusion didn't make regular static web servers obsolete... both
 expanded. A smart client won't make ColdFusions text-based generation
 obsolete either... just adds another tool to your toolbox.


 At 9:22 AM 3/4/2, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
  I've been dangling CF/Flash teasers in fornt of some local companies
  and they are flipping out about the potential.  So I guess we as
  developers could throw our opinions at this latest announcement
  until our fingers are red and raw or we could be happy that the
  folks that pay us to build applications like the idea ;-)

 It's great to hear you've been getting nibbles on this, even at this ea
rly
 stage. I hope it goes well for you, and please nudge us along with
 course-corrections as you see them, thanks:
 http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/

 (The list here is fine for nudging too, for sure, but the wishform gets
 requests directly logged for whichever development team you wish.)

 jd





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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-06 Thread Mike Chambers 

we just released a new version of director (8.5) not too long ago. thus
the release cycles are not in sync. you will be hearing more about
director in the coming months (including an updated flash mx extra for
director).

mike chambers

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
 From: Haggerty, Michael A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:14 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: a little about the future
 
 
 Something odd I noticed... there is no mention of Director MX. 
 
 For those of us familiar enough with Flash and Director, one 
 of the traditional reasons for choosing Director was the 
 ability to include dyna mic content, i.e. things like images 
 not contained in the movie itself. 
 
 Ummm... anyone from Macromedia care to comment on what is 
 going on with Flash's big brother?
 
 Mike
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Greg Alton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:13 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: a little about the future
 
 
 I'm excited about Flash MX and CF MX. I'm the Flash 
 evangelist over at CF Dev and what I love the most about 
 Flash is the possibilty of building forms with advanced state 
 management and validation capabilities in a fraction 
 of
 the time it takes to do the same thing with other technologies.
 
 These forms require less code, are cross-browser compatible 
 and easily scalable (clustered servers). They're 
 object-oriented forms and the probl em has been that it is 
 very difficult to do the first time.
 
 I'm guessing that Flash MX/CF MX will make this development 
 much easier a nd therefore strengthen CF.
 
 And Flash and Neo. Don't get me started!
 
 Greg Alton
 CFDev
 
 - Original Message -
 From: John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:40 PM
 Subject: RE: a little about the future
 
 
  At 8:22 AM 3/4/2, Angel Stewart wrote:
   I don't like how they seem to have CF MX as errr 
 'supporting' Flash 
   MX.. *folds arms and pouts* The whole thing was about Flash MX 
   basically. *taps foot and pouts some more*
 
  Other folks had the info, if that helps. As Mike noted, text-based 
  functionality is certainly stronger than before, and the 
 smarter front
 end
  doesn't detract from that.
 
  I've been thinking of this aspect: ColdFusion was one of 
 the first to
 break
  away from stateless viewing sessions, by remembering things 
 about the 
  visitor on the server end of things. Now it has a stateless partner 
  rig
 ht
  in the client... there's no need to toss the page after 
 each visitor 
  interaction.
 
  These rich web applications with client-side processing are a 
  logical extension of the previous type of web applications.
 
  ColdFusion didn't make regular static web servers obsolete... both 
  expanded. A smart client won't make ColdFusions text-based 
 generation 
  obsolete either... just adds another tool to your toolbox.
 
 
  At 9:22 AM 3/4/2, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
   I've been dangling CF/Flash teasers in fornt of some 
 local companies 
   and they are flipping out about the potential.  So I guess we as 
   developers could throw our opinions at this latest announcement 
   until our fingers are red and raw or we could be happy that the 
   folks that pay us to build applications like the idea ;-)
 
  It's great to hear you've been getting nibbles on this, 
 even at this 
  ea
 rly
  stage. I hope it goes well for you, and please nudge us along with 
  course-corrections as you see them, thanks: 
  http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/
 
  (The list here is fine for nudging too, for sure, but the wishform 
  gets requests directly logged for whichever development team you 
  wish.)
 
  jd
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-06 Thread Anthony Kieran 

Has Ulead got the same capability?

-Original Message-
From: Haggerty, Michael A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 March 2002 16:14
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: a little about the future


Something odd I noticed... there is no mention of Director MX. 

For those of us familiar enough with Flash and Director, one of the
traditional reasons for choosing Director was the ability to include
dyna
mic
content, i.e. things like images not contained in the movie itself. 

Ummm... anyone from Macromedia care to comment on what is going on with
Flash's big brother?

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Greg Alton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: a little about the future


I'm excited about Flash MX and CF MX. I'm the Flash evangelist over at
CF
Dev
and what I love the most about Flash is the possibilty of building forms
with advanced state management and validation capabilities in a fraction

of
the time it takes to do the same thing with other technologies.

These forms require less code, are cross-browser compatible and easily
scalable (clustered servers). They're object-oriented forms and the
probl
em
has been that it is very difficult to do the first time.

I'm guessing that Flash MX/CF MX will make this development much easier
a
nd
therefore strengthen CF.

And Flash and Neo. Don't get me started!

Greg Alton
CFDev

- Original Message -
From: John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: a little about the future


 At 8:22 AM 3/4/2, Angel Stewart wrote:
  I don't like how they seem to have CF MX as errr 'supporting'
  Flash MX.. *folds arms and pouts*
  The whole thing was about Flash MX basically.
  *taps foot and pouts some more*

 Other folks had the info, if that helps. As Mike noted, text-based
 functionality is certainly stronger than before, and the smarter front

end
 doesn't detract from that.

 I've been thinking of this aspect: ColdFusion was one of the first to
break
 away from stateless viewing sessions, by remembering things about the
 visitor on the server end of things. Now it has a stateless partner
rig
ht
 in the client... there's no need to toss the page after each visitor
 interaction.

 These rich web applications with client-side processing are a
logical
 extension of the previous type of web applications.

 ColdFusion didn't make regular static web servers obsolete... both
 expanded. A smart client won't make ColdFusions text-based generation
 obsolete either... just adds another tool to your toolbox.


 At 9:22 AM 3/4/2, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
  I've been dangling CF/Flash teasers in fornt of some local companies
  and they are flipping out about the potential.  So I guess we as
  developers could throw our opinions at this latest announcement
  until our fingers are red and raw or we could be happy that the
  folks that pay us to build applications like the idea ;-)

 It's great to hear you've been getting nibbles on this, even at this
ea
rly
 stage. I hope it goes well for you, and please nudge us along with
 course-corrections as you see them, thanks:
 http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/

 (The list here is fine for nudging too, for sure, but the wishform
gets
 requests directly logged for whichever development team you wish.)

 jd





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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-06 Thread John Dowdell 

At 8:14 AM 3/6/2, Haggerty, Michael A. wrote:
 Something odd I noticed... there is no mention of Director MX.

Got some already typed up over here:
http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/

(The Shockwave Player still has many more types of dynamic import filters
than does the smaller Flash Player... in the latter you've now got JPG and
MP3 plus the existing SWF loading, but Director can link to over a dozen
additional formats at runtime.)

jd




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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-05 Thread John Dowdell 

At 8:22 AM 3/4/2, Angel Stewart wrote:
 I don't like how they seem to have CF MX as errr 'supporting'
 Flash MX *folds arms and pouts*
 The whole thing was about Flash MX basically
 *taps foot and pouts some more*

Other folks had the info, if that helps As Mike noted, text-based
functionality is certainly stronger than before, and the smarter front end
doesn't detract from that

I've been thinking of this aspect: ColdFusion was one of the first to break
away from stateless viewing sessions, by remembering things about the
visitor on the server end of things Now it has a stateless partner right
in the client there's no need to toss the page after each visitor
interaction

These rich web applications with client-side processing are a logical
extension of the previous type of web applications

ColdFusion didn't make regular static web servers obsolete both
expanded A smart client won't make ColdFusions text-based generation
obsolete either just adds another tool to your toolbox


At 9:22 AM 3/4/2, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
 I've been dangling CF/Flash teasers in fornt of some local companies
 and they are flipping out about the potential  So I guess we as
 developers could throw our opinions at this latest announcement
 until our fingers are red and raw or we could be happy that the
 folks that pay us to build applications like the idea ;-)

It's great to hear you've been getting nibbles on this, even at this early
stage I hope it goes well for you, and please nudge us along with
course-corrections as you see them, thanks:
http://wwwmacromediacom/support/email/wishform/

(The list here is fine for nudging too, for sure, but the wishform gets
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Re: a little about the future

2002-03-05 Thread Greg Alton 

I'm excited about Flash MX and CF MX. I'm the Flash evangelist over at CF
Dev
and what I love the most about Flash is the possibilty of building forms
with advanced state management and validation capabilities in a fraction 
of
the time it takes to do the same thing with other technologies.

These forms require less code, are cross-browser compatible and easily
scalable (clustered servers). They're object-oriented forms and the probl
em
has been that it is very difficult to do the first time.

I'm guessing that Flash MX/CF MX will make this development much easier a
nd
therefore strengthen CF.

And Flash and Neo. Don't get me started!

Greg Alton
CFDev

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To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: a little about the future


 At 8:22 AM 3/4/2, Angel Stewart wrote:
  I don't like how they seem to have CF MX as errr 'supporting'
  Flash MX.. *folds arms and pouts*
  The whole thing was about Flash MX basically.
  *taps foot and pouts some more*

 Other folks had the info, if that helps. As Mike noted, text-based
 functionality is certainly stronger than before, and the smarter front 
end
 doesn't detract from that.

 I've been thinking of this aspect: ColdFusion was one of the first to
break
 away from stateless viewing sessions, by remembering things about the
 visitor on the server end of things. Now it has a stateless partner rig
ht
 in the client... there's no need to toss the page after each visitor
 interaction.

 These rich web applications with client-side processing are a logical
 extension of the previous type of web applications.

 ColdFusion didn't make regular static web servers obsolete... both
 expanded. A smart client won't make ColdFusions text-based generation
 obsolete either... just adds another tool to your toolbox.


 At 9:22 AM 3/4/2, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
  I've been dangling CF/Flash teasers in fornt of some local companies
  and they are flipping out about the potential.  So I guess we as
  developers could throw our opinions at this latest announcement
  until our fingers are red and raw or we could be happy that the
  folks that pay us to build applications like the idea ;-)

 It's great to hear you've been getting nibbles on this, even at this ea
rly
 stage. I hope it goes well for you, and please nudge us along with
 course-corrections as you see them, thanks:
 http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/

 (The list here is fine for nudging too, for sure, but the wishform gets
 requests directly logged for whichever development team you wish.)

 jd





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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Angel Stewart 

I don't like how they seem to have CF MX as errr 'supporting' Flash MX..
*folds arms and pouts*

The whole thing was about Flash MX basically.

*taps foot and pouts some more*

-Gel


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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Robert Everland 

Looks like slashdot also picked this up, see what other geeks have to say.
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/04/1618227.shtml?tid=152

Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web Developer Extraordinaire

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: a little about the future


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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Michael Dinowitz 

CF MX isn't as far along in the cycle as Flash MX is. Add in that Flash is
 really the star of MM and you see why it was written that way. I'm quite
 sure (with all of MM listening here) that when the press release is written
 for CF MX that the reverse will be said and Flash will be mentioned as a
 'supporting' technology for CF.

At 11:22 AM 3/4/02, you wrote:
I don't like how they seem to have CF MX as errr 'supporting' Flash MX..
*folds arms and pouts*

The whole thing was about Flash MX basically.

*taps foot and pouts some more*

-Gel


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www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/flash_mx_apps.html

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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Angel Stewart 

Ehmm..somehow I thought this was posted to the CF Community list.

*nervous chuckle*

-Gel


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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 

CF MX isn't as far along in the cycle as Flash MX is. Add in that Flash
is  really the star of MM and you see why it was written that way. I'm
quite  sure (with all of MM listening here) that when the press release
is written  for CF MX that the reverse will be said and Flash will be
mentioned as a  'supporting' technology for CF.

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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Michael Dinowitz 

Tech related to CF and which tells a bit more about Neo (publicly). Fits
 with this list a bit more. 

Macromedia ColdFusion MX, which can be used in conjunction with Microsoft
 .NET, Java application servers, and web services, will provide developers
 with the fastest and easiest way to create rich applications with
 Macromedia Flash MX. In addition, developers will be able to use a new
 server gateway technology to build Macromedia Flash applications that work
 directly with leading application servers and web services.

At 11:47 AM 3/4/02, you wrote:
Ehmm..somehow I thought this was posted to the CF Community list.

*nervous chuckle*

-Gel


-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 

CF MX isn't as far along in the cycle as Flash MX is. Add in that Flash
is  really the star of MM and you see why it was written that way. I'm
quite  sure (with all of MM listening here) that when the press release
is written  for CF MX that the reverse will be said and Flash will be
mentioned as a  'supporting' technology for CF.


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Re: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Jim Priest 

Great This sounds like CF Server has been reduced to nothing more than a backend for
Flash Yuck And can they lay of the 'rich' thing?  Bill Gates and my
grandmother's three layer chocolate cake are 'rich' - not Flash applications

Jim


On Monday, March 04, 2002, Michael wrote:
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Re: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Jochem van Dieten 

Michael Dinowitz wrote:
 CF MX isn't as far along in the cycle as Flash MX is Add in that Flash is
  really the star of MM and you see why it was written that way

Now they have merged with Allaire they really have 2 stars, one of which 
is powered by Cold Fusion :)

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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Nick McClure 

This NET stuff you speak of, tell me more

At 11:51 AM 3/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Tech related to CF and which tells a bit more about Neo (publicly) Fits
  with this list a bit more

Macromedia ColdFusion MX, which can be used in conjunction with Microsoft
  NET, Java application servers, and web services, will provide developers
  with the fastest and easiest way to create rich applications with
  Macromedia Flash MX In addition, developers will be able to use a new
  server gateway technology to build Macromedia Flash applications that work
  directly with leading application servers and web services
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Re: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Douglas Brown 

Change is not always a good thing, but we have to go with the flow. 
Personally I like the idea.




Success is a journey, not a destination!!



Doug Brown
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Priest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: a little about the future


 Great. This sounds like CF Server has been reduced to nothing more 
than a backend for
 Flash. Yuck. And can they lay of the 'rich' thing?  Bill Gates and my
 grandmother's three layer chocolate cake are 'rich' - not Flash 
applications.
 
 Jim
 
 
 On Monday, March 04, 2002, Michael wrote:
 MD www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/flash_mx_apps.html
 
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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Declan Maher 

http://www.microsoft.com/net/

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Sent: 04 March 2002 16:57
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: a little about the future


This .NET stuff you speak of, tell me more.

At 11:51 AM 3/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Tech related to CF and which tells a bit more about Neo (publicly).
Fits
  with this list a bit more.

Macromedia ColdFusion MX, which can be used in conjunction with
Microsoft
  .NET, Java application servers, and web services, will provide
developers
  with the fastest and easiest way to create rich applications with
  Macromedia Flash MX. In addition, developers will be able to use a
new
  server gateway technology to build Macromedia Flash applications that
work
  directly with leading application servers and web services.

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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Mike Chambers 

You are still going to be able to do everything in NEO that you are
currently doing.

you will now just be able to do a LOT more.

mike chambers

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 From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:03 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: a little about the future
 
 
 Change is not always a good thing, but we have to go with the flow. 
 Personally I like the idea.
 
 
 
 
 Success is a journey, not a destination!!
 
 
 
 Doug Brown
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jim Priest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:56 AM
 Subject: Re: a little about the future
 
 
  Great. This sounds like CF Server has been reduced to nothing more
 than a backend for
  Flash. Yuck. And can they lay of the 'rich' thing?  Bill 
 Gates and my 
  grandmother's three layer chocolate cake are 'rich' - not Flash
 applications.
  
  Jim
  
  
  On Monday, March 04, 2002, Michael wrote:
  MD www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/flash_mx_apps.html
  
 
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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Nick McClure 

I was actually wanting to know more about .NET and CF working together.

At 04:57 PM 3/4/2002 +, you wrote:
http://www.microsoft.com/net/

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Re: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Bryan Stevenson 

I've been dangling CF/Flash teasers in fornt of some local companies and they are 
flipping out about
the potential.  So I guess we as developers could throw our opinions at this latest 
announcement
until our fingers are red and raw or we could be happy that the folks that pay us to 
build
applications like the idea ;-)

Cheers

Bryan Stevenson
VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
p. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Macromedia Associate Partner
www.macromedia.com
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Founder  Director
www.cfug-vancouverisland.com

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To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: a little about the future


 http://www.microsoft.com/net/

 -Original Message-
 From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 04 March 2002 16:57
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: a little about the future


 This .NET stuff you speak of, tell me more.

 At 11:51 AM 3/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
 Tech related to CF and which tells a bit more about Neo (publicly).
 Fits
   with this list a bit more.
 
 Macromedia ColdFusion MX, which can be used in conjunction with
 Microsoft
   .NET, Java application servers, and web services, will provide
 developers
   with the fastest and easiest way to create rich applications with
   Macromedia Flash MX. In addition, developers will be able to use a
 new
   server gateway technology to build Macromedia Flash applications that
 work
   directly with leading application servers and web services.

 
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RE: a little about the future

2002-03-04 Thread Garza, Jeff 

NET is the MS framework that exchanges information using SOAP, UDDI, and
WSDL.  It's built into the ASP.NET system as well as all the new MS
languages (C#, VisualBasic.NET, C++, etc...). It's completely XML based and
as such, can interface with any system that supports the above standards
regardless of the language used to create the system.  

I'm assuming that the next version of CF will be able to interact with .NET
web services.

Jeff Garza
Lead Developer/Webmaster
Spectrum Astro, Inc.
480.892.8200
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: a little about the future


I was actually wanting to know more about .NET and CF working together.

At 04:57 PM 3/4/2002 +, you wrote:
http://www.microsoft.com/net/

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