Re: (ot) SEO

[Steve 'Cutter' Blades]

The search engine must hit the page directly. So, if you want to index 
your listing of toyota trucks, the /trucks/toyota had better show your 
listing, not a button to get to the listing. A better option might be to 
go by make, then by bodystyle (/toyota/trucks or /toyota/suv). This 
allows you to list by make (/toyota), by bodystyle (/toyota/sedan), by 
model (/toyota/camry), by trimand so on and so forth. Consistency helps.

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On 2/21/2012 10:45 AM, Dave Hatz wrote:
> Question about SEO page hits.  If we have a button on web page that displays 
> search results, will the search results page count towards a Page Hit for SEO?
>
> We have a page for example http://www.mycars.com/trucks/toyota and on this 
> page we have a button to display search results for dealers that sell toyota 
> trucks.  The results page will be something like 
> http://www.mycars.com/trucks/toyota/results.cfm
>
> Does the Search Engines register a page hit on our results page?
>
> 

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Byron Mann]

Saw the CF10 demo the other day and the restful features would be exactly
for this type of scenario.  Today, if I had to do something like this I
would use .NET.

Then of course I would have to do a lot more for the data acess layer ;-)

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On Jan 23, 2012 9:29 AM, "Dave Hatz"  wrote:

>
> Thanks Steve, Matt and Russ and all the others that pitched in to help
> with this solution.  Exactly what we are looking for.  I love this forum,
> the support is top notch.
>
> Thanks again to all
> Dave Hatz
>
> 

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Dave Hatz]

Thanks Steve, Matt and Russ and all the others that pitched in to help with 
this solution.  Exactly what we are looking for.  I love this forum, the 
support is top notch.

Thanks again to all
Dave Hatz 

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Matt Quackenbush]

That's why you want - no, NEED - to go the rewrite route. The outside world
only sees the /cars/toyota/tacoma URI, while the server internally
processes the /car_results.cfm?foo=bar template.


On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Dave Hatz wrote:

>
> We thought about going that route, but what about SEO hits?  Client wants
> to make sure that http://www.mydomain.com/cars/toyota/tacoma gets credit
> for the page visit and not
> http://www.mydomain.com/car_results.cfm?make=toyota&model=tacoma.
>
>
> 

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Steve 'Cutter' Blades]

If you include the file, rather than redirect, then 
site.com/toyota/tocoma is the actual url. The server doesn't redirect to 
the 404 handler, it just uses the 404 handler in place of the url that 
was called. Using a url rewrite is a better option, if you can, but this 
will work (I've done it, for this *exact* situation before).

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On 1/23/2012 8:51 AM, Dave Hatz wrote:
> We thought about going that route, but what about SEO hits?  Client wants to 
> make sure that http://www.mydomain.com/cars/toyota/tacoma gets credit for the 
> page visit and not 
> http://www.mydomain.com/car_results.cfm?make=toyota&model=tacoma.
>
>
> 

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Dave Hatz]

We thought about going that route, but what about SEO hits?  Client wants to 
make sure that http://www.mydomain.com/cars/toyota/tacoma gets credit for the 
page visit and not 
http://www.mydomain.com/car_results.cfm?make=toyota&model=tacoma.


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Re: (ot) SEO

[Steve 'Cutter' Blades]

You setup a 404 handler on the server, set to a specific cfm page 
(404.cfm maybe). In this page you parse the url for your vehicle vars 
(REQUEST.details.make = toyota, REQUEST.details.model = tacoma, 
REQUEST.details.trim = extended king cab). You then put some conditional 
in the bottom of the doc that includes the proper template:
/*
  *If the URL contained variables for vehicles, and noted a specific 
vehicle by VIN
  *or stock number, then show the spec sheet for that specific vehicle.
  */
if(!StructEmpty(REQUEST.details) AND 
(StructKeyExists(REQUEST.details,"VIN") OR 
StructKeyExists(REQUEST.details,"stockNumber"))){
 include "/vehicleDisplay/vehicleDetail.cfm";
 /*
  *If a specific vehicle isn't noted, but other pieces are 
(make, model, etc) then
  *show the vehicle search page, which we'll filter by the 
passed details parsed
  *into the REQUEST.details struct.
  */
} else if (!StructEmpty(REQUEST.details){
 include "/vehicleDisplay/vehicleSearch.cfm";
}

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On 1/22/2012 11:30 AM, Dave Hatz wrote:
> Dave,
> Thanks for the feedback. Let me try to explain how the client site is 
> currently set up. Client has a search results page on his site, like this
>
> http://www.mydomain.com/car_results.cfm?make=toyota&model=tacoma where the 
> Car Model and Type are passed in as parameters.  The page uses CSS, JS and 
> Images folders to produce the results page.
>
> Then he has gone and set up links that are set up on other sites to point to 
> something like this
>
> http://www.mydomain.com/cars/toyota/tacoma
>
> and what the client wants is the for the .cmf page under /tacoma to parse the 
> url for the car type and model then display the results on his 
> car_results.cfm page from his site.  So our index.cfm parses the url and gets 
> the make and model then redirects using CFLOCATION to the car_results.cfm 
> page.
>
> Client is trying to gain SEO rankings on his 
> http://www.mydomain.com/cars/toyota/tacoma page.  He has folders for 
> different makers/models of cars, which is 100's of different folders.  We 
> didn't want to have to create the same results page in all these different 
> folders.
>
> You mentioned this approach was not a good idea.  I would love to find a 
> better approach and your thoughts on how we can improve this design.
>
> 

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Russ Michaels]

why not just use URL rewriting to point
http://www.mydomain.com/cars/toyota/tacoma  at
http://www.mydomain.com/car_results.cfm?make=toyota&model=tacoma
seems like this would be a much simpler solution

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Dave Hatz wrote:

>
> Dave,
> Thanks for the feedback. Let me try to explain how the client site is
> currently set up. Client has a search results page on his site, like this
>
> http://www.mydomain.com/car_results.cfm?make=toyota&model=tacoma where
> the Car Model and Type are passed in as parameters.  The page uses CSS, JS
> and Images folders to produce the results page.
>
> Then he has gone and set up links that are set up on other sites to point
> to something like this
>
> http://www.mydomain.com/cars/toyota/tacoma
>
> and what the client wants is the for the .cmf page under /tacoma to parse
> the url for the car type and model then display the results on his
> car_results.cfm page from his site.  So our index.cfm parses the url and
> gets the make and model then redirects using CFLOCATION to the
> car_results.cfm page.
>
> Client is trying to gain SEO rankings on his
> http://www.mydomain.com/cars/toyota/tacoma page.  He has folders for
> different makers/models of cars, which is 100's of different folders.  We
> didn't want to have to create the same results page in all these different
> folders.
>
> You mentioned this approach was not a good idea.  I would love to find a
> better approach and your thoughts on how we can improve this design.
>
> 

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Dave Hatz]

Dave,
Thanks for the feedback. Let me try to explain how the client site is currently 
set up. Client has a search results page on his site, like this

http://www.mydomain.com/car_results.cfm?make=toyota&model=tacoma where the Car 
Model and Type are passed in as parameters.  The page uses CSS, JS and Images 
folders to produce the results page.

Then he has gone and set up links that are set up on other sites to point to 
something like this

http://www.mydomain.com/cars/toyota/tacoma

and what the client wants is the for the .cmf page under /tacoma to parse the 
url for the car type and model then display the results on his car_results.cfm 
page from his site.  So our index.cfm parses the url and gets the make and 
model then redirects using CFLOCATION to the car_results.cfm page.  

Client is trying to gain SEO rankings on his 
http://www.mydomain.com/cars/toyota/tacoma page.  He has folders for different 
makers/models of cars, which is 100's of different folders.  We didn't want to 
have to create the same results page in all these different folders.

You mentioned this approach was not a good idea.  I would love to find a better 
approach and your thoughts on how we can improve this design. 

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Dave Watts]

> I have index.cfm, it parses the URL for some data, updates the DB, then I use 
>  says this will not work for his SEO stuff.

Why do you go to index.cfm in the first place, though? You could
easily handle this in the page you ultimately want to go to (or the
Application file used by that page) in a variety of ways.

Redirection for its own sake is unnecessary and generally a bad approach.

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Dave Watts]

> You may want to look into this.
>
> 
> http://www.domain.com/page.cfm";>
>
> If you are doing redirects, you want to use 301 to be search engine
> friendly.

You can use CFLOCATION for permanent redirects (or any other
300-series response):



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Re: (ot) SEO

[William Seiter]

Hey Dave,
The description of what you are trying to accomplish is  very vague. If you 
just wanted clarification on redirects vs SEO, they are not good practice and 
will probably mess everything up.  If you want advice on how to handle what you 
need to accomplish on an SEO friendly way, please post what it is that your 
index page is doing, being as specific as possible. Or hit me up off list

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On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Dave  Hatz  wrote:

> 
> Sorry about the OT here, but I know there are some really good SEO people 
> that are on this list.
> 
> I have a CFM page that processes some information, then redirects to another 
> CFM page.  I have a client that is telling me that my redirect inside my cfm 
> page is not going to work for SEO.
> 
> I have index.cfm, it parses the URL for some data, updates the DB, then I use 
>  work for his SEO stuff.  
> 
> As you can tell, I am not well versed in SEO.  Can I get some verification 
> from others on this list that are well versed on SEO topics and let me know 
> if my client is right or wrong? 
> 
> 

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Al Musella, DPM]

Maybe there is a much easier way...
Instead of redirecting, just do a cfinclude of that next page to 
place it inside the first page... this way the correct page gets indexed.


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Re: (ot) SEO

[Donne Bachan]

Redirects are never good for SEO. 301s are your best bet but if you are doing 
it on every page then I would look at another solution for your interim page. 
Possibly use your onRequest method in application.cfc?

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On 20 Jan 2012, at 15:15, Dave  Hatz  wrote:

> 
> Sorry about the OT here, but I know there are some really good SEO people 
> that are on this list.
> 
> I have a CFM page that processes some information, then redirects to another 
> CFM page.  I have a client that is telling me that my redirect inside my cfm 
> page is not going to work for SEO.
> 
> I have index.cfm, it parses the URL for some data, updates the DB, then I use 
>  work for his SEO stuff.  
> 
> As you can tell, I am not well versed in SEO.  Can I get some verification 
> from others on this list that are well versed on SEO topics and let me know 
> if my client is right or wrong? 
> 
> 

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Re: (ot) SEO

[Steve 'Cutter' Blades]

The bigger question is, what is it you are doing in the interim process, 
and is a redirect truly necessary? If this is a logging process, why 
aren't you just logging in your onRequestEnd? By doing the 301, the 
Search Engines are going to index and catalog the page being directed 
to. This means that users coming from the search engine would get links 
directly to the redirected page, skipping the interim process currently 
in place.

Sounds like you need to build a better mousetrap.

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On 1/20/2012 10:29 AM, Jacob wrote:
> You may want to look into this.
>
> 
> http://www.domain.com/page.cfm";>
>
> If you are doing redirects, you want to use 301 to be search engine
> friendly.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Hatz [mailto:daveh...@hatzventures.org]
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:15 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: (ot) SEO
>
>
> Sorry about the OT here, but I know there are some really good SEO people
> that are on this list.
>
> I have a CFM page that processes some information, then redirects to another
> CFM page.  I have a client that is telling me that my redirect inside my cfm
> page is not going to work for SEO.
>
> I have index.cfm, it parses the URL for some data, updates the DB, then I
> use not work for his SEO stuff.
>
> As you can tell, I am not well versed in SEO.  Can I get some verification
> from others on this list that are well versed on SEO topics and let me know
> if my client is right or wrong?
>
>
>
> 

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RE: (ot) SEO

[Jacob]

You may want to look into this.


http://www.domain.com/page.cfm";>

If you are doing redirects, you want to use 301 to be search engine
friendly.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Hatz [mailto:daveh...@hatzventures.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:15 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: (ot) SEO


Sorry about the OT here, but I know there are some really good SEO people
that are on this list.

I have a CFM page that processes some information, then redirects to another
CFM page.  I have a client that is telling me that my redirect inside my cfm
page is not going to work for SEO.

I have index.cfm, it parses the URL for some data, updates the DB, then I
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Re: [OT] SEO Tip

[Casey Dougall]

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 5:56 AM, Adrian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Any pointers as to which is better?
>
> 1. www.domain.com/99/keyword1/keyword2/
>
> 2. www.domain.com/keyword1/keyword2/99/
>
> 99 relates to a page/article/entry/whatever, so I was wondering if
> placement
> of this ID is important for better SEO.
>
>
If the content on keyword page is relevant then the url won't matter.

www.domain.com/99/keyword1/keyword2

This would be better to manage from a editor point of view.  where you don't
need to know the keyword name because you should be able to type
www.domain.com/99/ 

And that will redirect you to

www.domain.com/99/keyword1/keyword2/

It's extremely important that urls either 301 redirect or go to completely
different pages. meaning you should not have

www.domain.com/99/keyword1/keyword2/ and
www.domain.com/99/keyword132/keyword56

pointing to the same page.


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Re: OT: SEO URLs

[Pete Freitag]

On 12/20/06, Jacob Munson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > #1. If I do this, products will be available to be viewed by clicking either
> > style of URL. Would Google, Yahoo or MSN penalize my site for this because
> > it would be considered *duplicate* content?
>
> I don't think so, but I could be wrong.  In BlogCFC, every entry in
> your blog is accessible with two URLs, one SEO and one not.  I'd
> assume that Ray knew what he was doing when he did that, and wouldn't
> have penalized people's blogs.

No you can definitely get penalized for having the same content at two
different URL's, this is precisely duplicate content!

You want to avoid the penalty by doing a 301 redirect to the new url.
The 301 redirect will also pass forward any score (pagerank, etc) that
the old url had on to the new url.

>
> > #2. In your opinion, just how much benefit is there to using SEO URLs?
>
> In my experience, SES URLs are very important if you care about page
> rank...

Having keywords in the url doesn't do anything to improve your
pagerank, but it can improve your rankings (the order of the results
of the search engine are determined with much more than just the
pagerank).

In general you want your pages to look as "natural" as possible, so
the best types of url's are things like:
http://www.mysite.com/adidas-odyssey-field-bag.cfm

Here are some tips on keywords in the url:
  The keywords should be as close to the domain name as possible.
  Don't use too many keywords.
  Don't repeat keywords
  Strip out common words like the, is, and, etc. to keep url short.
  Keep url looking as short and natural as possible, while still
having a few keywords in there.

Keywords in the url can help, but it is more important to have good
page titles, and good content.

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Re: OT: SEO URLs

[Jacob Munson]

> #1. If I do this, products will be available to be viewed by clicking either
> style of URL. Would Google, Yahoo or MSN penalize my site for this because
> it would be considered *duplicate* content?

I don't think so, but I could be wrong.  In BlogCFC, every entry in
your blog is accessible with two URLs, one SEO and one not.  I'd
assume that Ray knew what he was doing when he did that, and wouldn't
have penalized people's blogs.  But it could be something that he's
not aware of, I guess.

> #2. In your opinion, just how much benefit is there to using SEO URLs?

In my experience, SES URLs are very important if you care about page
rank.  It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but search engines rank
sites high that have the search terms in their URL.  For example, on
my blog I have an entry that describes a JavaScript isNumeric function
I built.  This page is #2 in the search results for that term on both
Google and Yahoo.  It is also the most highly trafficked page on my
blog (not counting RSS, of course).

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Re: ot: seo firms

[Jann E. VanOver]

Guaranteed?  As others have said, if they guarantee placement, don't 
trust them.

My boss (& his company) has a good rep for SEO. And we're VERY CF friendly!

http://www.portentinteractive.com/ or google the company name to read 
what others have said.

I'm just the programmer - I code what they tell me to.  Call Ian (phone 
number on web site) to talk turkey.

You can also check out http://conversationmarketing.com/ for Ian's 
continuing blog on SEO techniques.

Jevo

dave wrote:

>anyone know any good guaranteed seo firms that they would recommend?
>
>~Dave the disruptor~
>google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
>http://explorerdestroyer.com/
>http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ 
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