Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Chris Norloff
Did you install JRun 4 SP1a ? (it breaks CF)
http://www.macromedia.com/support/jrun/releasenotes/4/releasenotes_4_sp1a.html

Also, the Updaters are for CFMX standalone, not CFMX for J2EE - did you install those.

hth,
Chris Norloff


-- Original Message --
From: "Barney Boisvert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:53:09 -0800

>I downloaded trials for JRun 4 and CFMX for J2EE this morning, hoping to get
>a server up and running to start my task of finding a 'good' Java web
>platform with CF support.  Everything went peachy-keen with the install of
>JRun, but after installing CFMX on top of it, I can't get the JRun server to
>start.  It throws error #2, and refuses to start.  The admin server stayed
>up through the install, but after stopping it, it wouldn't restart either.
>It seems to think that the server is already running, which is supported by
>my inability to delete files used by the server, but the services are not
>running.
>
>Anyone have any ideas what might be wrong?  I haven't tried reinstalling
>from scratch yet; I'm hoping that isn't the solution as it doesn't speak
>very highly of CFMX on JRun's stability.
>
>Win2k, using both the internal web server and the connecter to Apache 1.3
>
>thanks,
>barneyb
>
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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Nick de Voil
> Did you install JRun 4 SP1a ? (it breaks CF)

This only affects CFMX for J2EE, right?  I hope there isn't a problem for
those of us running JRun separately alongside CFMX Pro?

Thanks

Nick



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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Chris Norloff
I'm not sure.  Check out the fine print at the bottom of 
http://www.macromedia.com/support/jrun/releasenotes/4/releasenotes_4_sp1a.html

Chris Norloff

-- Original Message --
From: "Nick de Voil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:04:39 -

>> Did you install JRun 4 SP1a ? (it breaks CF)
>
>This only affects CFMX for J2EE, right?  I hope there isn't a problem for
>those of us running JRun separately alongside CFMX Pro?
>
>Thanks
>
>Nick
>
>
>
>
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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Barney Boisvert
Yeah, I found that section in the release notes last night.  You'd think
that the CF installer would mention that.  After following the instructions,
the server still wouldn't load, so I'm not sure what's up.  I uninstalled
JRun (no way to just uninstall CFMX that I could find) and reloaded JRun
from scratch.  Try CFMX again, along with the compatibility instructions
again.

thanks,
barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Norloff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:44 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4
>
>
> Did you install JRun 4 SP1a ? (it breaks CF)
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/jrun/releasenotes/4/releasenotes
> _4_sp1a.html
>
> Also, the Updaters are for CFMX standalone, not CFMX for J2EE -
> did you install those.
>
> hth,
> Chris Norloff
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Barney Boisvert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:53:09 -0800
>
> >I downloaded trials for JRun 4 and CFMX for J2EE this morning,
> hoping to get
> >a server up and running to start my task of finding a 'good' Java web
> >platform with CF support.  Everything went peachy-keen with the
> install of
> >JRun, but after installing CFMX on top of it, I can't get the
> JRun server to
> >start.  It throws error #2, and refuses to start.  The admin
> server stayed
> >up through the install, but after stopping it, it wouldn't
> restart either.
> >It seems to think that the server is already running, which is
> supported by
> >my inability to delete files used by the server, but the services are not
> >running.
> >
> >Anyone have any ideas what might be wrong?  I haven't tried reinstalling
> >from scratch yet; I'm hoping that isn't the solution as it doesn't speak
> >very highly of CFMX on JRun's stability.
> >
> >Win2k, using both the internal web server and the connecter to Apache 1.3
> >
> >thanks,
> >barneyb
> >
> >---
> >Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer
> >AudienceCentral (formerly PIER System, Inc.)
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Dave Carabetta
>Yeah, I found that section in the release notes last night.  You'd think
>that the CF installer would mention that.  After following the 
>instructions,
>the server still wouldn't load, so I'm not sure what's up.  I uninstalled
>JRun (no way to just uninstall CFMX that I could find) and reloaded JRun
>from scratch.  Try CFMX again, along with the compatibility instructions
>again.

While you have already done a complete uninstall the LiveDocs instructions 
for undeploying CFMX on JRun have always worked like a charm for me (watch 
for wrapping):

http://livedocs.macromedia.com/cfmxdocs/Installing_CFMX_for_J2EE/install_JRun44.jsp#1245785

Since you're on Windows, make sure that you have stopped *all* services in 
the Services window before undeploying. (Note that one extreme annoyance I 
found on Windows is that, even though the Undeploying docs state that user 
data won't be deleted, the cfmx_uninstall.bat completely blew away my 
cfusion directory *and all subdirectories*. So make sure you back up any 
directories/files to another location before undeploying.

As for your install issues, what JRE are you using? I had major issues using 
IBM's JRE 1.3 for Linux. I know you're on Windows and that statement doesn't 
necessarily apply to your situation, but maybe using a different JRE would 
help (I've been using Sun's JRE 1.4.0_03 without issue on both Windows and 
Linux (RH 7.2)). Have you checked the Install Log CFMX creates to look for 
any errors or warnings encountered during the installation? You'll find it 
in the JRun root directory (i.e., c:\JRun4 for Windows and /opt/jrun4 for 
*nix). It's a huge file, but there's a summary at the top of it that will 
tell you how many successes, warnings, and errors were encountered. The 
installer itself will only alert you if it encountered errors -- not 
warnings. Dig in there and make sure you have 0 warnings and 0 errors.

One last thing. When making the SP1a Release Notes fixes to set up 
compatibility with CFMX, you *must* make sure that the JRun server on which 
you are deploying is shutdown.

Then do a "jrun -nohup start [servername]" from the jrun4\bin directory and 
watch for the startup messages. You'll know if your install worked if you 
don't see any stack dumps during that process.

It took me a while to get the install process down for CFMX for JRun4. There 
are little quirks here and there I wasn't used to because I've always used 
the standalone server. But since I've been running, it's been smooth sailing 
with tremendous performance. I'm passing along these hints from long 
frustrating hours, and I hope they might help you in your "quest"!

Regards,
Dave.


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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Barney Boisvert
Thank you very for all the info.  Hopefully I'll have better luck this time.

I'm running the Sun JRE 1.4.1, which I've been using for our standalone CFMX
servers without issue on Win2k, RH7.3 and RH8.0.  If I can't get it to work,
I'll try the 1.4.0 JRE.

thanks again,
barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:39 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4
>
>
> >Yeah, I found that section in the release notes last night.  You'd think
> >that the CF installer would mention that.  After following the
> >instructions,
> >the server still wouldn't load, so I'm not sure what's up.  I uninstalled
> >JRun (no way to just uninstall CFMX that I could find) and reloaded JRun
> >from scratch.  Try CFMX again, along with the compatibility instructions
> >again.
>
> While you have already done a complete uninstall the LiveDocs
> instructions
> for undeploying CFMX on JRun have always worked like a charm for
> me (watch
> for wrapping):
>
> http://livedocs.macromedia.com/cfmxdocs/Installing_CFMX_for_J2EE/i
> nstall_JRun44.jsp#1245785
>
> Since you're on Windows, make sure that you have stopped *all*
> services in
> the Services window before undeploying. (Note that one extreme
> annoyance I
> found on Windows is that, even though the Undeploying docs state
> that user
> data won't be deleted, the cfmx_uninstall.bat completely blew away my
> cfusion directory *and all subdirectories*. So make sure you back up any
> directories/files to another location before undeploying.
>
> As for your install issues, what JRE are you using? I had major
> issues using
> IBM's JRE 1.3 for Linux. I know you're on Windows and that
> statement doesn't
> necessarily apply to your situation, but maybe using a different
> JRE would
> help (I've been using Sun's JRE 1.4.0_03 without issue on both
> Windows and
> Linux (RH 7.2)). Have you checked the Install Log CFMX creates to
> look for
> any errors or warnings encountered during the installation?
> You'll find it
> in the JRun root directory (i.e., c:\JRun4 for Windows and /opt/jrun4 for
> *nix). It's a huge file, but there's a summary at the top of it that will
> tell you how many successes, warnings, and errors were encountered. The
> installer itself will only alert you if it encountered errors -- not
> warnings. Dig in there and make sure you have 0 warnings and 0 errors.
>
> One last thing. When making the SP1a Release Notes fixes to set up
> compatibility with CFMX, you *must* make sure that the JRun
> server on which
> you are deploying is shutdown.
>
> Then do a "jrun -nohup start [servername]" from the jrun4\bin
> directory and
> watch for the startup messages. You'll know if your install worked if you
> don't see any stack dumps during that process.
>
> It took me a while to get the install process down for CFMX for
> JRun4. There
> are little quirks here and there I wasn't used to because I've
> always used
> the standalone server. But since I've been running, it's been
> smooth sailing
> with tremendous performance. I'm passing along these hints from long
> frustrating hours, and I hope they might help you in your "quest"!
>
> Regards,
> Dave.
>
>
> 
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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003, at 09:15 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> Yeah, I found that section in the release notes last night.  You'd 
> think
> that the CF installer would mention that.

I believe this is because CFMX for J2EE came out first and worked fine 
with JRun 4 because it contained a silent workaround. Then SP1(a) came 
out and 'broke' the workaround (because it fixed the problem properly). 
The only place to mention that was the SP1(a) notes.

I may be wrong but that is my take on it unofficially...

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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Barney Boisvert
Ok, that makes sense.  Although if CFMX for J2EE is supposed to be a J2EE
app, shouldn't it be J2EE server independant, or at least damn close?  No
worries though.  Can't have the whole world on a platter.

cheers,
barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:59 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4
>
>
> On Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003, at 09:15 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> > Yeah, I found that section in the release notes last night.  You'd
> > think
> > that the CF installer would mention that.
>
> I believe this is because CFMX for J2EE came out first and worked fine
> with JRun 4 because it contained a silent workaround. Then SP1(a) came
> out and 'broke' the workaround (because it fixed the problem properly).
> The only place to mention that was the SP1(a) notes.
>
> I may be wrong but that is my take on it unofficially...
>
> Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>
> 
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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003, at 15:20 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> Ok, that makes sense.  Although if CFMX for J2EE is supposed to be a 
> J2EE
> app, shouldn't it be J2EE server independant, or at least damn close?  
> No
> worries though.  Can't have the whole world on a platter.

Well, the pure Java version of CFMX for J2EE is app server independent 
(insofar as a J2EE application is ever app server independent!). With 
some of the app server specific versions of CFMX for J2EE you get 
native code components like Verity etc. Note that the "Phase II" pure 
Java version of CFMX for J2EE is relatively recent (and is the version 
available on the Mac - and a few of the other downloadable versions 
including, I think, IBM WebSphere 5 for AIX).

Hope that helps explain it?

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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Barney Boisvert
And this "Phase II" version could be found where?  I ask because we're
shopping around for J2EE servers, or perhaps just a JSP/Servlet container,
but probably the whole deal.  I just downloaded CFMX/J2EE last week, is the
Phase II version newer than that?  It doesn't show up on the trial download
page, only app server specific versions there.

thanks,
barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:21 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4
>
>
> On Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003, at 15:20 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> > Ok, that makes sense.  Although if CFMX for J2EE is supposed to be a
> > J2EE
> > app, shouldn't it be J2EE server independant, or at least damn close?
> > No
> > worries though.  Can't have the whole world on a platter.
>
> Well, the pure Java version of CFMX for J2EE is app server independent
> (insofar as a J2EE application is ever app server independent!). With
> some of the app server specific versions of CFMX for J2EE you get
> native code components like Verity etc. Note that the "Phase II" pure
> Java version of CFMX for J2EE is relatively recent (and is the version
> available on the Mac - and a few of the other downloadable versions
> including, I think, IBM WebSphere 5 for AIX).
>
> Hope that helps explain it?
>
> Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>
> 
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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-26 Thread Dave Carabetta
>And this "Phase II" version could be found where?  I ask because we're
>shopping around for J2EE servers, or perhaps just a JSP/Servlet container,
>but probably the whole deal.  I just downloaded CFMX/J2EE last week, is the
>Phase II version newer than that?  It doesn't show up on the trial download
>page, only app server specific versions there.
>

You won't find it in existing versions of CFMX for J2EE on Windows. I think 
this will change with the updater due out soon, but it doesn't exist right 
now. A phase II install, I believe, only exists for the standalone product 
right now because that has had a couple updaters already.

Regards,
Dave.



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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-27 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003, at 17:35 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> And this "Phase II" version could be found where?

Some of the CFMX for J2EE installers are now Phase II. I don't know for 
sure which ones other than pointing out the two that I know are pure 
Java and therefore Phase II by definition (and don't include Verity):
IBM WebSphere 4 (or 5?) for AIX
Mac OS X

These will download a .jar file which you can install on any system (I 
have it running on JRun 4 and Tomcat). There may be other Phase II 
installers but someone from the product team would probably have to 
confirm that.

> I just downloaded CFMX/J2EE last week, is the
> Phase II version newer than that?  It doesn't show up on the trial 
> download
> page, only app server specific versions there.

None of the downloads are labeled "phase I / II" - it's more of an 
internal nomenclature (although Brandon referred to it in his article 
on clustering and session replication on DevNet a while back).

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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-27 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003, at 18:00 US/Pacific, Dave Carabetta wrote:
> You won't find it in existing versions of CFMX for J2EE on Windows.

I believe you are correct that the Windows-specific CFMX for J2EE 
installers are all "Phase I".

> A phase II install, I believe, only exists for the standalone product
> right now because that has had a couple updaters already.

No, the "Phase I / II" issue only applies to CFMX for J2EE (for which 
there has been no updater yet).

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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-27 Thread Barney Boisvert
I got CFMX for J2EE up and running on JRun yesterday evening, much thanks to
all who helped, particularly Dave.

Sean:
So if I were to download Mac OSX CFMX for J2EE, I'd get a generic .jar that
I could install anywhere, assuming the app server/servlet container is up to
spec, and I wouldn't miss Verity?  Is that the only ommission (aside from
CFREGISTRY, which was only good for hacking the <= CF5 cfadmin anyway)?

Sorry for the endless stream of what must seem to be stupid questions,
barneyb

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> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:05 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4
>
>
> On Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003, at 17:35 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> > And this "Phase II" version could be found where?
>
> Some of the CFMX for J2EE installers are now Phase II. I don't know for
> sure which ones other than pointing out the two that I know are pure
> Java and therefore Phase II by definition (and don't include Verity):
>   IBM WebSphere 4 (or 5?) for AIX
>   Mac OS X
>
> These will download a .jar file which you can install on any system (I
> have it running on JRun 4 and Tomcat). There may be other Phase II
> installers but someone from the product team would probably have to
> confirm that.
>
> > I just downloaded CFMX/J2EE last week, is the
> > Phase II version newer than that?  It doesn't show up on the trial
> > download
> > page, only app server specific versions there.
>
> None of the downloads are labeled "phase I / II" - it's more of an
> internal nomenclature (although Brandon referred to it in his article
> on clustering and session replication on DevNet a while back).
>
> Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture
> Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc.
> tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473
> aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com
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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-27 Thread webguy
I've done this. verity is gone, COM stuff isn't installed by default either.
However I did notice that after you istall the jar, as per Seans blog  and
you log in to cf for the first time it goes though a "first time dialog"
does mention verity, rds etc, so you might be able to add these in
seperatly???

Sean, any chance you chould blog the J2EE sessions stuff  / problems  from
the guru list..?

BTW Seans blog ( http://www.corfield.org/blog/ ), has lots of hints the he
has already mention here ...

Thanks

WG

-Original Message-
From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 February 2003 17:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4


I got CFMX for J2EE up and running on JRun yesterday evening, much thanks to
all who helped, particularly Dave.

Sean:
So if I were to download Mac OSX CFMX for J2EE, I'd get a generic .jar that
I could install anywhere, assuming the app server/servlet container is up to
spec, and I wouldn't miss Verity?  Is that the only ommission (aside from
CFREGISTRY, which was only good for hacking the <= CF5 cfadmin anyway)?

Sorry for the endless stream of what must seem to be stupid questions,
barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:05 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4
>
>
> On Wednesday, Feb 26, 2003, at 17:35 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> > And this "Phase II" version could be found where?
>
> Some of the CFMX for J2EE installers are now Phase II. I don't know for
> sure which ones other than pointing out the two that I know are pure
> Java and therefore Phase II by definition (and don't include Verity):
>   IBM WebSphere 4 (or 5?) for AIX
>   Mac OS X
>
> These will download a .jar file which you can install on any system (I
> have it running on JRun 4 and Tomcat). There may be other Phase II
> installers but someone from the product team would probably have to
> confirm that.
>
> > I just downloaded CFMX/J2EE last week, is the
> > Phase II version newer than that?  It doesn't show up on the trial
> > download
> > page, only app server specific versions there.
>
> None of the downloads are labeled "phase I / II" - it's more of an
> internal nomenclature (although Brandon referred to it in his article
> on clustering and session replication on DevNet a while back).
>
> Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture
> Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc.
> tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473
> aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com
> An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog

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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-27 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 09:50 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> I got CFMX for J2EE up and running on JRun yesterday evening, much 
> thanks to
> all who helped, particularly Dave.

Yay!

> So if I were to download Mac OSX CFMX for J2EE, I'd get a generic .jar 
> that
> I could install anywhere, assuming the app server/servlet container is 
> up to
> spec, and I wouldn't miss Verity?

Yep. I took the same .jar and installed it on JRun 4 and also on Tomcat.

> Is that the only ommission (aside from
> CFREGISTRY, which was only good for hacking the <= CF5 cfadmin anyway)?

I think you'd have to check the release notes for the product (although 
I'm actually having a hard time finding the right document that 
explains which features are not present in the pure Java version).

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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-27 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 10:23 US/Pacific, webguy wrote:
> Sean, any chance you chould blog the J2EE sessions stuff  / problems  
> from
> the guru list..?

It's on my list of things to write about, yes. I've just been a wee bit 
busy lately (hence very little CF content on my blog in the last week).

> BTW Seans blog ( http://www.corfield.org/blog/ ), has lots of hints 
> the he
> has already mention here ...

Thanx for the plug!

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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-28 Thread Barney Boisvert
One more stupid question.  I have my main app, and then a small (associated)
app with several web faces, kind of a CMS, but not really.  I set up a JRun
instance (with CF) for my main app, and then did the same for the smaller
app, but I can't figure out how to make multiple sites use the same CF
instance.  Well, I can get it to work so that you access the sites like
this:

www.site1.com/app1
www.site2.com/app2

but not so you can just access them with the bare domains.  I could create a
new JRun instance for each domain, and then set up the CF context root as
'/' and have it work, but that'd me a bunch of unneeded instances, since the
apps are pretty low traffic.

I found an on MM.com last night about this, and the author (I can't remember
his name) talked about how hosting companies can put multiple sites on a
single JRun instance with CF, and single sites on other instances, allowing
for less resource usage, but increasing security and stability when it
matters.  How does one go about doing this?

I'm using Apache for the web server, if that matters.  I have two Apache
instances running, one for the main app, and one for the sub apps, both
connected to their respective JRun instances.

Thank again for helping the newbie,
barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:40 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4
>
>
> On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 10:23 US/Pacific, webguy wrote:
> > Sean, any chance you chould blog the J2EE sessions stuff  / problems
> > from
> > the guru list..?
>
> It's on my list of things to write about, yes. I've just been a wee bit
> busy lately (hence very little CF content on my blog in the last week).
>
> > BTW Seans blog ( http://www.corfield.org/blog/ ), has lots of hints
> > the he
> > has already mention here ...
>
> Thanx for the plug!
>
> Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>
> 
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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-28 Thread Dave Carabetta
>One more stupid question.  I have my main app, and then a small 
>(associated)
>app with several web faces, kind of a CMS, but not really.  I set up a JRun
>instance (with CF) for my main app, and then did the same for the smaller
>app, but I can't figure out how to make multiple sites use the same CF
>instance.  Well, I can get it to work so that you access the sites like
>this:
>
>www.site1.com/app1
>www.site2.com/app2
>
>but not so you can just access them with the bare domains.  I could create 
>a
>new JRun instance for each domain, and then set up the CF context root as
>'/' and have it work, but that'd me a bunch of unneeded instances, since 
>the
>apps are pretty low traffic.
>

Is this what you're looking for?

http://www.corfield.org/blog/archives/2003_01.html#54

BTW, Sean's blog is a goldmine of CFMX for J2EE information, especially when 
it somes to more advanced topics.

Hope this helps,
Dave.

Regards,
Dave.



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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-28 Thread Barney Boisvert
Yeah, I spend a couple hours reading the blog archives.  All kinds of good
stuff, but I not what I'm looking for.  I need roughly the opposite: one CF
instance with multiple document roots with in it.  Here's the article I
referenced before (by the same guy that helped Sean with the blog entry you
mentioned):

http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/j2ee/articles/multiple.html

The third diagram ('bout half-way down) is what I want to set up, but I
can't figure out how to do it.  I've got the multiple Apache installs, and
the multiple apps under the same CF instance, and I can reference them as I
outlined below, but want to be able to reference them without a context
path, and I don't want to be able to access app2, from www.site1.com if I
add the /app2 context path.

I was thinking on my way to work that mod_rewrite might provide the
solution, but I don't know if mod-rewrite will have time to fire before the
request gets taken by JRun (I'm not optimistic).

barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:16 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4
>
>
> >One more stupid question.  I have my main app, and then a small
> >(associated)
> >app with several web faces, kind of a CMS, but not really.  I
> set up a JRun
> >instance (with CF) for my main app, and then did the same for the smaller
> >app, but I can't figure out how to make multiple sites use the same CF
> >instance.  Well, I can get it to work so that you access the sites like
> >this:
> >
> >www.site1.com/app1
> >www.site2.com/app2
> >
> >but not so you can just access them with the bare domains.  I
> could create
> >a
> >new JRun instance for each domain, and then set up the CF context root as
> >'/' and have it work, but that'd me a bunch of unneeded instances, since
> >the
> >apps are pretty low traffic.
> >
>
> Is this what you're looking for?
>
> http://www.corfield.org/blog/archives/2003_01.html#54
>
> BTW, Sean's blog is a goldmine of CFMX for J2EE information,
> especially when
> it somes to more advanced topics.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Dave.
>
> Regards,
> Dave.
>
>
>
> 
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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-28 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 10:35 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> I was thinking on my way to work that mod_rewrite might provide the
> solution, but I don't know if mod-rewrite will have time to fire 
> before the
> request gets taken by JRun (I'm not optimistic).

Yes, you can use mod_rewrite and it will get there ahead of mod_jrun 
(at least, that's my experience). So you can have a virtualhost for 
site1 that rewrites URLs that don't begin with app1 to have the context 
root and a virtualhost for site2 that does the same for app2. (That 
would mean a request to site1/app2 would get rewritten to 
site1/app1/app2 and thus fail - which is what you want).

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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-28 Thread Barney Boisvert
Ok, once again, mod_rewrite to the rescue.  Again, thanks for all the help.

barneyb

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> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:40 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4
>
>
> On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 10:35 US/Pacific, Barney Boisvert wrote:
> > I was thinking on my way to work that mod_rewrite might provide the
> > solution, but I don't know if mod-rewrite will have time to fire
> > before the
> > request gets taken by JRun (I'm not optimistic).
>
> Yes, you can use mod_rewrite and it will get there ahead of mod_jrun
> (at least, that's my experience). So you can have a virtualhost for
> site1 that rewrites URLs that don't begin with app1 to have the context
> root and a virtualhost for site2 that does the same for app2. (That
> would mean a request to site1/app2 would get rewritten to
> site1/app1/app2 and thus fail - which is what you want).
>
> Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
>
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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-28 Thread Dave Watts
> I was thinking on my way to work that mod_rewrite 
> might provide the solution, but I don't know if 
> mod-rewrite will have time to fire before the
> request gets taken by JRun (I'm not optimistic).

I'm no Apache expert, but I was under the impression that Apache modules are
executed in the order in which they're listed in httpd.conf. So, if you put
mod_rewrite above mod_jrun, it should execute first.

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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-28 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 12:16 US/Pacific, Dave Watts wrote:
> I'm no Apache expert, but I was under the impression that Apache 
> modules are
> executed in the order in which they're listed in httpd.conf. So, if 
> you put
> mod_rewrite above mod_jrun, it should execute first.

You're probably right... I'm sure mod_jrun is the last module loaded on 
my system (actually mod_rendezvous is, but that's not relevant!). I'm 
not an Apache expert either, just picking it up as I go, so thanx for 
pointing that out.

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RE: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-02-28 Thread Dave Watts
> > I'm no Apache expert, but I was under the impression 
> > that Apache modules are executed in the order in which 
> > they're listed in httpd.conf. So, if you put mod_rewrite 
> > above mod_jrun, it should execute first.
> 
> You're probably right... I'm sure mod_jrun is the last module 
> loaded on my system (actually mod_rendezvous is, but that's 
> not relevant!). I'm not an Apache expert either, just picking 
> it up as I go, so thanx for pointing that out.

Well, actually, Barney sent me a reply offlist - he's definitely more
knowledgeable about Apache than I am - which indicates that they're not
necessarily executed in order, just loaded in order. It's worth quoting
here, I think:

"The order they are listed is the order they are LOADED into the server.
That is important, because some modules depend on other modules to load.
However, the actual request processing happens in a separate order.
Probably easer to illustrate, rather than explain.

Here's an example.  Note I'm illustrating the ordering idea, I could well be
totally off based about the actual order of events that Apache goes through.

from httpd.conf:

...
LoadModule mod_speling
...
LoadModule mod_rewrite
...

The two modules are not related in any way, so you could reverse those lines
with no effect, because they only control what order stuff gets loaded into
the server's memory space.  Now that the server's up, a page request comes
in.  Apache finds the host (virtual or main) to process it, sees that there
are RewriteRules present and processes them.  Then it computes the actual
filesystem directory (possibly using mod_alias, mod_userdir, or any number
of other things).  Finally, if doesn't find the file, it uses mod_speling to
compute potential corrections to the bad url.

It doesn't make sense to use mod_speling before you compute the directory
path, because you don't even know if it's been misspelled yet."

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Re: CFMX for J2EE on JRun 4

2003-03-03 Thread Roman Krutyakov
Hello,

i didnt understand some things about CFMX for J2EE:
 - how to use it without context_root?
 - does it works with subdirs in URL?

Sincerely,
Roman Krutyakov
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