RE: CFMX7 on DevNet
Is this the unlimited IP version or the Developer Edition? -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF related) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX7 on DevNet As promised (for those who want to know) CFMX 7 is now available from the DevNet Subscription Downloads page! Cutter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:194233 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX7 on DevNet
I have not loaded it yet, but it does not state that it is the developer edition. And if it is the same as the CFMX 6.1 download was, then it would be the unlimited IP version. Calvin Ward wrote: Is this the unlimited IP version or the Developer Edition? -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF related) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX7 on DevNet As promised (for those who want to know) CFMX 7 is now available from the DevNet Subscription Downloads page! Cutter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:194279 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFMX7 and DevNet
Ouch ... I hope this gets solved ... I would not accept such a customer unfriendly answer from Macromedia. Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF related) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 9 februari 2005 14:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX7 and DevNet This has been asked once before without answer. Even though no more DevNet subscriptions are being sold there are still many of us with active subscriptions. Some people have almost a year left on their subscriptions since they purchased just prior to it's demise. One advantage to these subscriptions were updates and upgrades to various packages from MM's stable of applications, including a full working version of CFMX EE. This was not a trial or developer edition, it was a fully unencumbered edition of the server, complete with Serial No. This was not for use in a production environment (and restricted by license, of course), but was perfect for a multi-developer environment because it did not have the single IP restriction (two IP's plus localhost is nice, but not always enough). When the server renders the page it includes a nice little META tag in the code stating that the server is a DevNet edition and not for production use (which I think caused problems with my CFC webservices testing [especially for Flash integration], but that's another story). Now, I went to my vendor/reseller yesterday and had them pose the question to their contact at Macromedia. Generally using these channels will garner answers we may not typically receive on this list or by calling support. After several conversations, a lot of run around, and her contact having to speak to others at MM to try and receive a straight answer, my contact has come back stating that MM's position is that the trial download (or developer edition) is available for general download already and that is what we get. Does this seem correct to anyone else out there? I purchased a devnet subscription with certain expectations as to what I would receive for that investment. My subscription is still active (as are many other people's), and I would expect for that subscription to be fulfilled throughout the period of the subscription, regardless of the fact the MM is no longer selling subscriptions. Does anyone out there agree with me on this? Could someone from MM maybe pipe in here with an official position? Is there anybody out there listening? Cutter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193816 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFMX7 and DevNet
I believe the DevNet version of CF license required that each developer who used it also had a DevNet license. Am I remembering correctly? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF related) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX7 and DevNet This has been asked once before without answer. Even though no more DevNet subscriptions are being sold there are still many of us with active subscriptions. Some people have almost a year left on their subscriptions since they purchased just prior to it's demise. One advantage to these subscriptions were updates and upgrades to various packages from MM's stable of applications, including a full working version of CFMX EE. This was not a trial or developer edition, it was a fully unencumbered edition of the server, complete with Serial No. This was not for use in a production environment (and restricted by license, of course), but was perfect for a multi-developer environment because it did not have the single IP restriction (two IP's plus localhost is nice, but not always enough). When the server renders the page it includes a nice little META tag in the code stating that the server is a DevNet edition and not for production use (which I think caused problems with my CFC webservices testing [especially for Flash integration], but that's another story). Now, I went to my vendor/reseller yesterday and had them pose the question to their contact at Macromedia. Generally using these channels will garner answers we may not typically receive on this list or by calling support. After several conversations, a lot of run around, and her contact having to speak to others at MM to try and receive a straight answer, my contact has come back stating that MM's position is that the trial download (or developer edition) is available for general download already and that is what we get. Does this seem correct to anyone else out there? I purchased a devnet subscription with certain expectations as to what I would receive for that investment. My subscription is still active (as are many other people's), and I would expect for that subscription to be fulfilled throughout the period of the subscription, regardless of the fact the MM is no longer selling subscriptions. Does anyone out there agree with me on this? Could someone from MM maybe pipe in here with an official position? Is there anybody out there listening? Cutter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193817 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX7 and DevNet
I don't remember this restriction (not that it matters much in my organization). A more important advantage for us was the ability for any of the 7+ members of our management staff could pull up a site in development from their desktop and gage it's progress without having to be at a specific workstation and without us having to place that developing site on a production server with our hosting provider. Cutter Calvin Ward wrote: I believe the DevNet version of CF license required that each developer who used it also had a DevNet license. Am I remembering correctly? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF related) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX7 and DevNet This has been asked once before without answer. Even though no more DevNet subscriptions are being sold there are still many of us with active subscriptions. Some people have almost a year left on their subscriptions since they purchased just prior to it's demise. One advantage to these subscriptions were updates and upgrades to various packages from MM's stable of applications, including a full working version of CFMX EE. This was not a trial or developer edition, it was a fully unencumbered edition of the server, complete with Serial No. This was not for use in a production environment (and restricted by license, of course), but was perfect for a multi-developer environment because it did not have the single IP restriction (two IP's plus localhost is nice, but not always enough). When the server renders the page it includes a nice little META tag in the code stating that the server is a DevNet edition and not for production use (which I think caused problems with my CFC webservices testing [especially for Flash integration], but that's another story). Now, I went to my vendor/reseller yesterday and had them pose the question to their contact at Macromedia. Generally using these channels will garner answers we may not typically receive on this list or by calling support. After several conversations, a lot of run around, and her contact having to speak to others at MM to try and receive a straight answer, my contact has come back stating that MM's position is that the trial download (or developer edition) is available for general download already and that is what we get. Does this seem correct to anyone else out there? I purchased a devnet subscription with certain expectations as to what I would receive for that investment. My subscription is still active (as are many other people's), and I would expect for that subscription to be fulfilled throughout the period of the subscription, regardless of the fact the MM is no longer selling subscriptions. Does anyone out there agree with me on this? Could someone from MM maybe pipe in here with an official position? Is there anybody out there listening? Cutter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193818 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFMX7 and DevNet
I was responding to the portion of your post where you mentioned multideveloper access. It appears I was correct. - Calvin http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/resources/eula.html Each user who is involved in the development of applications that directly accesses any of the applicable code or APIs exposed by the Software must be within your organization and must have a valid DevNet Subscriptions license that permits use of such Software. -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF related) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFMX7 and DevNet I don't remember this restriction (not that it matters much in my organization). A more important advantage for us was the ability for any of the 7+ members of our management staff could pull up a site in development from their desktop and gage it's progress without having to be at a specific workstation and without us having to place that developing site on a production server with our hosting provider. Cutter Calvin Ward wrote: I believe the DevNet version of CF license required that each developer who used it also had a DevNet license. Am I remembering correctly? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF related) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX7 and DevNet This has been asked once before without answer. Even though no more DevNet subscriptions are being sold there are still many of us with active subscriptions. Some people have almost a year left on their subscriptions since they purchased just prior to it's demise. One advantage to these subscriptions were updates and upgrades to various packages from MM's stable of applications, including a full working version of CFMX EE. This was not a trial or developer edition, it was a fully unencumbered edition of the server, complete with Serial No. This was not for use in a production environment (and restricted by license, of course), but was perfect for a multi-developer environment because it did not have the single IP restriction (two IP's plus localhost is nice, but not always enough). When the server renders the page it includes a nice little META tag in the code stating that the server is a DevNet edition and not for production use (which I think caused problems with my CFC webservices testing [especially for Flash integration], but that's another story). Now, I went to my vendor/reseller yesterday and had them pose the question to their contact at Macromedia. Generally using these channels will garner answers we may not typically receive on this list or by calling support. After several conversations, a lot of run around, and her contact having to speak to others at MM to try and receive a straight answer, my contact has come back stating that MM's position is that the trial download (or developer edition) is available for general download already and that is what we get. Does this seem correct to anyone else out there? I purchased a devnet subscription with certain expectations as to what I would receive for that investment. My subscription is still active (as are many other people's), and I would expect for that subscription to be fulfilled throughout the period of the subscription, regardless of the fact the MM is no longer selling subscriptions. Does anyone out there agree with me on this? Could someone from MM maybe pipe in here with an official position? Is there anybody out there listening? Cutter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193822 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX7 and DevNet
Hi, Cutter. Let me see if I can help: 1. It's true that each developer using the development server needs to have his or her own DevNet subscription. 2. The scenario you mention below is definitely legitimate. One of the advantages of the development server is that other people in the company, and even clients, can keep an eye on development. (As long as they aren't actually writing code, or technically QAing the system, no problem.) 3. Now back to your main point: unfortunately, I don't have an answer, but I do have a contact for you. I recommend emailing your question to [EMAIL PROTECTED] That goes directly to DevNet business owners, so you will get a quick and accurate response. Feel free to email me personally if you don't hear something back in a reasonable amount of time. Thanks, Christian On Feb 9, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Cutter (CF related) wrote: I don't remember this restriction (not that it matters much in my organization). A more important advantage for us was the ability for any of the 7+ members of our management staff could pull up a site in development from their desktop and gage it's progress without having to be at a specific workstation and without us having to place that developing site on a production server with our hosting provider. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193826 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX7 and DevNet
To clarify here, you're saying that CFMX7 should be added to DevNet as a full, working version, just like CFMX 6.1 and all of the other platforms, but MM says the trial version is all we'll get? If this is the case, I think its pretty bogus. But, I'm sure the DevNet license states somewhere that MM has the right to modify what is available for download at anytime. This wouldn't suprise me one bit. -- Alex Cutter (CF related) wrote: Now, I went to my vendor/reseller yesterday and had them pose the question to their contact at Macromedia. Generally using these channels will garner answers we may not typically receive on this list or by calling support. After several conversations, a lot of run around, and her contact having to speak to others at MM to try and receive a straight answer, my contact has come back stating that MM's position is that the trial download (or developer edition) is available for general download already and that is what we get. Does this seem correct to anyone else out there? Cutter ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193839 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX7 and DevNet
Christian, Thanks for your response. 1) As I noted previously, the developer portion I mentioned really doesn't pertain to my situation so much (as I am our sole developer), but it was worth noting for larger development shops who may have found that an advantage. I'll need to re-read that license at some point, I would be curious to see if each developer needs to have a licensed devnet subscription, or if one licensed devnet subscription and several licensed studio mx copies would suffice (since every developer having a devnet subscription might have been overkill). 2) The second scenario is very applicable in my situation, hence my line of questioning and my major advantage with the devnet edition (I'll be very unhappy when my subscription expires). 3) I'll contact the address you provided and hopefully I can get a straight answer. I appreciate your response to my questions, and I'll definitely post to this list once I've gotten an answer. I've never personally mentioned it before, but I'm sure many of us on this list appreciate your participation in our discussions here. I know I do. Thanks for all of your help. Cutter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193885 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX7 and DevNet
As promised, I sent an email to the address that Christian had provided to me (very similar in content to my original post starting this thread). Two minutes later (I'm not kidding folks) I received a call from Alicia with DevNet support. After reading my well thought out email (she doesn't know me;) she decided that, rather than send me an email she would find a phone number for me and call me personally to respond. To skip all of the fat and get right to the juice for you true believers out there, Alicia has informed me that CFMX 7 will be up in the DevNet Downloads area by Friday. I am actually touched and overwhelmed by Macromedia's responsiveness to me personally, and the community as a whole. This makes me much more comfortable than I was after the response given to my vendor/reseller (boy will she be jealous;). I told Alicia that I was going to post this information here to the advantage of the community at large (or at least us folks who frequent anyway). Cutter (CF related) wrote: Christian, Thanks for your response. 1) As I noted previously, the developer portion I mentioned really doesn't pertain to my situation so much (as I am our sole developer), but it was worth noting for larger development shops who may have found that an advantage. I'll need to re-read that license at some point, I would be curious to see if each developer needs to have a licensed devnet subscription, or if one licensed devnet subscription and several licensed studio mx copies would suffice (since every developer having a devnet subscription might have been overkill). 2) The second scenario is very applicable in my situation, hence my line of questioning and my major advantage with the devnet edition (I'll be very unhappy when my subscription expires). 3) I'll contact the address you provided and hopefully I can get a straight answer. I appreciate your response to my questions, and I'll definitely post to this list once I've gotten an answer. I've never personally mentioned it before, but I'm sure many of us on this list appreciate your participation in our discussions here. I know I do. Thanks for all of your help. Cutter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193954 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX7 and DevNet
i am not sure why your suprised by that! Hasn't anyone noticed that when someone on here has a concern(with MM) and takes it to the right channels that it gets handles very well and very quickly! then others just moan about it and say they do stuff but they don't. Personally, i think they are very responsive! heck, I even got a call today from them(MM) thanking me for being a beta tester and personally letting me know that they will be here next week to go over cfmx 7. I was kinda floored :) I use hosted services but they still took the time too do it followed up with an email, very nice MM, thanks!! btw~ anyone in the colorado area that wants the info (date directions) to this event, please hit me up off list and i will give it to you. From: Cutter (CF related) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:15 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CFMX7 and DevNet As promised, I sent an email to the address that Christian had provided to me (very similar in content to my original post starting this thread). Two minutes later (I'm not kidding folks) I received a call from Alicia with DevNet support. After reading my well thought out email (she doesn't know me;) she decided that, rather than send me an email she would find a phone number for me and call me personally to respond. To skip all of the fat and get right to the juice for you true believers out there, Alicia has informed me that CFMX 7 will be up in the DevNet Downloads area by Friday. I am actually touched and overwhelmed by Macromedia's responsiveness to me personally, and the community as a whole. This makes me much more comfortable than I was after the response given to my vendor/reseller (boy will she be jealous;). I told Alicia that I was going to post this information here to the advantage of the community at large (or at least us folks who frequent anyway). Cutter (CF related) wrote: Christian, Thanks for your response. 1) As I noted previously, the developer portion I mentioned really doesn't pertain to my situation so much (as I am our sole developer), but it was worth noting for larger development shops who may have found that an advantage. I'll need to re-read that license at some point, I would be curious to see if each developer needs to have a licensed devnet subscription, or if one licensed devnet subscription and several licensed studio mx copies would suffice (since every developer having a devnet subscription might have been overkill). 2) The second scenario is very applicable in my situation, hence my line of questioning and my major advantage with the devnet edition (I'll be very unhappy when my subscription expires). 3) I'll contact the address you provided and hopefully I can get a straight answer. I appreciate your response to my questions, and I'll definitely post to this list once I've gotten an answer. I've never personally mentioned it before, but I'm sure many of us on this list appreciate your participation in our discussions here. I know I do. Thanks for all of your help. Cutter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193966 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
