Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Not sure about the rest of it, but I'll support more prominent cf
resources. :) It's not like there's a lack of material for the
category -- there's 74 titles if you search and they show 10 per page,
so ... wouldn't that be like nearly 10 pages of results like the other
subcategories there like ASP and JSP?


> With the sheer amount of money I funnel into Jeff Bezos'
> Amateur Pilot
> Tuition Fund, hopefully my words will carry some weight.
> Any site where
> I can buy a Gorilla Biscuits CD, Clie stylus refills,
> discontinued
> Dreamcast games and a hardcover copy of "Coraline" in one
> session *and*
> have them delivered in two days is worth trying to improve
> with a little
> more prominent ColdFusion resources :)

> - Jim

> S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

>> Heh... Thanks Jim... You know I'm always too beligerant
>> to be nice. :)
>>
>> > Done, but I said it in a nice way :)
>>
>> > - Jim
>>
>> > S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
>>
>> >> They definately don't belong there... It's funny, I've
>> >> never seen them
>> >> anywhere but in the programming section next to C++
>> >> ...
>> >> (Not popular
>> >> enough to be on the end-cap next to XML for Dummies I
>> >> guess.) But then
>> >> it's been a little while since I've seriously been in
>> >> a
>> >> book store
>> >> looking for CF books.
>> >>
>> >> Though I do think we should complain to Amazon.com for
>> >> not having a
>> >> ColdFusion section on this page:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/4021/ref
>> >> =br
>> >> _bx_c_2_4/002
>> >> -1274419-3838416
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I don't think it matters, since we all know where
>> >> > they
>> >> > are
>> >> > anyways :-)
>> >>
>> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> > From: Owens, Howard
>> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:45 PM
>> >> > To: CF-Talk
>> >> > Subject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet
>> >> > Newsgroup
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Speaking of more legitimacy -- what's up with chain
>> >> > bookstores always filing
>> >> > the CF titles under "graphic/web design"?
>> >>
>> >> > I asked an employee of my local Barnes and Nobel the
>> >> > other
>> >> > day and he said
>> >> > this was a corporate decision.
>> >>
>> >> > Personally, it always irks me that CF books aren't
>> >> > in
>> >> > with
>> >> > the programming
>> >> > books.  Maybe we should all start complaining to the
>> >> > chains about this, and
>> >> > MM -- MM should file its own protests. I think.
>> >>
>> >> > H.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > 
>> >> > ~~
>> >> > Howard Owens
>> >> > Internet Operations Coordinator
>> >> > Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
>> >> > www.venturacountystar.com
>> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > AIM: GoCatGo1956
>> >> > 
>> >> > ~~
>> >>
>> >> >> -Original Message-
>> >> >> From: Dave Hodder [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:38 PM
>> >> >> To: CF-Talk
>> >> >> Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet
>> >> >> Newsgroup
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jim McAtee wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for
>> >> >> > another?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.
>> >> >> Some
>> >> >> of us on the
>> >> >> existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a
>> >> >> "proper"
>> >> >> comp.* group
>> >> >> would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> group having
>> >> >> better propagation, longer message retention
>> >> >> periods,
>> >> >> etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   _
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [ Todays Threads
>> >> >   _
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > 
>> >> > ~~~
>> >> > ~~~
>> >>
>> > ~~~
>> > ~~~
>>
> ~~

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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Jim Campbell]

With the sheer amount of money I funnel into Jeff Bezos' Amateur Pilot 
Tuition Fund, hopefully my words will carry some weight.  Any site where 
I can buy a Gorilla Biscuits CD, Clie stylus refills, discontinued 
Dreamcast games and a hardcover copy of "Coraline" in one session *and* 
have them delivered in two days is worth trying to improve with a little 
more prominent ColdFusion resources :)

- Jim

S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

> Heh... Thanks Jim... You know I'm always too beligerant to be nice. :)
>
> > Done, but I said it in a nice way :)
>
> > - Jim
>
> > S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
>
> >> They definately don't belong there... It's funny, I've
> >> never seen them
> >> anywhere but in the programming section next to C++ ...
> >> (Not popular
> >> enough to be on the end-cap next to XML for Dummies I
> >> guess.) But then
> >> it's been a little while since I've seriously been in a
> >> book store
> >> looking for CF books.
> >>
> >> Though I do think we should complain to Amazon.com for
> >> not having a
> >> ColdFusion section on this page:
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/4021/ref=br
> >> _bx_c_2_4/002
> >> -1274419-3838416
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > I don't think it matters, since we all know where they
> >> > are
> >> > anyways :-)
> >>
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Owens, Howard
> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:45 PM
> >> > To: CF-Talk
> >> > Subject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
> >>
> >>
> >> > Speaking of more legitimacy -- what's up with chain
> >> > bookstores always filing
> >> > the CF titles under "graphic/web design"?
> >>
> >> > I asked an employee of my local Barnes and Nobel the
> >> > other
> >> > day and he said
> >> > this was a corporate decision.
> >>
> >> > Personally, it always irks me that CF books aren't in
> >> > with
> >> > the programming
> >> > books.  Maybe we should all start complaining to the
> >> > chains about this, and
> >> > MM -- MM should file its own protests. I think.
> >>
> >> > H.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > ~~
> >> > Howard Owens
> >> > Internet Operations Coordinator
> >> > Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
> >> > www.venturacountystar.com
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > AIM: GoCatGo1956
> >> > ~~
> >>
> >> >> -Original Message-
> >> >> From: Dave Hodder [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:38 PM
> >> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> >> Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet
> >> >> Newsgroup
> >> >>
> >> >> Jim McAtee wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for
> >> >> > another?
> >> >>
> >> >> It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.
> >> >> Some
> >> >> of us on the
> >> >> existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a
> >> >> "proper"
> >> >> comp.* group
> >> >> would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as the
> >> >> group having
> >> >> better propagation, longer message retention periods,
> >> >> etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Dave
> >> >>
> >> >>   _
> >> >>
> >> >> [ Todays Threads
> >> >   _
> >>
> >>
> >> > ~~~
> >> > ~~~
> >>
> > ~~
> 
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Heh... Thanks Jim... You know I'm always too beligerant to be nice. :)

> Done, but I said it in a nice way :)

> - Jim

> S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

>> They definately don't belong there... It's funny, I've
>> never seen them
>> anywhere but in the programming section next to C++ ...
>> (Not popular
>> enough to be on the end-cap next to XML for Dummies I
>> guess.) But then
>> it's been a little while since I've seriously been in a
>> book store
>> looking for CF books.
>>
>> Though I do think we should complain to Amazon.com for
>> not having a
>> ColdFusion section on this page:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/4021/ref=br
>> _bx_c_2_4/002
>> -1274419-3838416
>>
>>
>>
>> > I don't think it matters, since we all know where they
>> > are
>> > anyways :-)
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Owens, Howard
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:45 PM
>> > To: CF-Talk
>> > Subject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
>>
>>
>> > Speaking of more legitimacy -- what's up with chain
>> > bookstores always filing
>> > the CF titles under "graphic/web design"?
>>
>> > I asked an employee of my local Barnes and Nobel the
>> > other
>> > day and he said
>> > this was a corporate decision.
>>
>> > Personally, it always irks me that CF books aren't in
>> > with
>> > the programming
>> > books.  Maybe we should all start complaining to the
>> > chains about this, and
>> > MM -- MM should file its own protests. I think.
>>
>> > H.
>>
>>
>>
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Howard Owens
>> > Internet Operations Coordinator
>> > Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
>> > www.venturacountystar.com
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > AIM: GoCatGo1956
>> > ~~
>>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Dave Hodder [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:38 PM
>> >> To: CF-Talk
>> >> Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet
>> >> Newsgroup
>> >>
>> >> Jim McAtee wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for
>> >> > another?
>> >>
>> >> It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.
>> >> Some
>> >> of us on the
>> >> existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a
>> >> "proper"
>> >> comp.* group
>> >> would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as the
>> >> group having
>> >> better propagation, longer message retention periods,
>> >> etc.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >>   _
>> >>
>> >> [ Todays Threads
>> >   _
>>
>>
>> > ~~~
>> > ~~~
>>
> ~~

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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Jim Campbell]

Done, but I said it in a nice way :)

- Jim

S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

> They definately don't belong there... It's funny, I've never seen them
> anywhere but in the programming section next to C++ ... (Not popular
> enough to be on the end-cap next to XML for Dummies I guess.) But then
> it's been a little while since I've seriously been in a book store
> looking for CF books.
>
> Though I do think we should complain to Amazon.com for not having a
> ColdFusion section on this page:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/4021/ref=br_bx_c_2_4/002
> -1274419-3838416
>
>
>
> > I don't think it matters, since we all know where they are
> > anyways :-)
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:45 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
>
>
> > Speaking of more legitimacy -- what's up with chain
> > bookstores always filing
> > the CF titles under "graphic/web design"?
>
> > I asked an employee of my local Barnes and Nobel the other
> > day and he said
> > this was a corporate decision.
>
> > Personally, it always irks me that CF books aren't in with
> > the programming
> > books.  Maybe we should all start complaining to the
> > chains about this, and
> > MM -- MM should file its own protests. I think.
>
> > H.
>
>
>
> > ~~
> > Howard Owens
> > Internet Operations Coordinator
> > Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
> > www.venturacountystar.com
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > AIM: GoCatGo1956
> > ~~
>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dave Hodder [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:38 PM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
> >>
> >> Jim McAtee wrote:
> >>
> >> > There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for
> >> > another?
> >>
> >> It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.  Some
> >> of us on the
> >> existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a "proper"
> >> comp.* group
> >> would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as the
> >> group having
> >> better propagation, longer message retention periods,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>   _
> >>
> >> [ Todays Threads
> >   _
>
>
> > ~~
> 
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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[S . Isaac Dealey]

They definately don't belong there... It's funny, I've never seen them
anywhere but in the programming section next to C++ ... (Not popular
enough to be on the end-cap next to XML for Dummies I guess.) But then
it's been a little while since I've seriously been in a book store
looking for CF books.

Though I do think we should complain to Amazon.com for not having a
ColdFusion section on this page:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/4021/ref=br_bx_c_2_4/002
-1274419-3838416



> I don't think it matters, since we all know where they are
> anyways :-)

> -Original Message-
> From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup


> Speaking of more legitimacy -- what's up with chain
> bookstores always filing
> the CF titles under "graphic/web design"?

> I asked an employee of my local Barnes and Nobel the other
> day and he said
> this was a corporate decision.

> Personally, it always irks me that CF books aren't in with
> the programming
> books.  Maybe we should all start complaining to the
> chains about this, and
> MM -- MM should file its own protests. I think.

> H.



> ~~
> Howard Owens
> Internet Operations Coordinator
> Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
> www.venturacountystar.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AIM: GoCatGo1956
> ~~

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Hodder [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:38 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
>>
>> Jim McAtee wrote:
>>
>> > There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for
>> > another?
>>
>> It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.  Some
>> of us on the
>> existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a "proper"
>> comp.* group
>> would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as the
>> group having
>> better propagation, longer message retention periods,
>> etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>   _
>>
>> [ Todays Threads
>   _


> ~~

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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Gabriel Robichaud]

Well, here in CANADA ;) they always file them in Programming, and sometimes
in Web-Programming hehehehe
 
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From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: September 30, 2003 6:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
 
Speaking of more legitimacy -- what's up with chain bookstores always filing
the CF titles under "graphic/web design"?

I asked an employee of my local Barnes and Nobel the other day and he said
this was a corporate decision.  

Personally, it always irks me that CF books aren't in with the programming
books.  Maybe we should all start complaining to the chains about this, and
MM -- MM should file its own protests. I think.

H.



~~
Howard Owens
Internet Operations Coordinator
Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
www.venturacountystar.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AIM: GoCatGo1956
~~

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Hodder [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
> 
> Jim McAtee wrote:
> 
> > There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for another?
> 
> It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.  Some of us on the 
> existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a "proper" comp.* group 
> would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as the group having 
> better propagation, longer message retention periods, etc.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
>   _  
> 
> [ Todays Threads 
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Calvin Ward]

The observation is probably one of those, here's another thing that indicates a certain amount of people have an off view of what ColdFusion is and offers, kind of observations...

- Calvin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Michael T. Tangorre 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:21 PM
  Subject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup


  I don't think it matters, since we all know where they are anyways :-)

  -Original Message-
  From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:45 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup


  Speaking of more legitimacy -- what's up with chain bookstores always filing
  the CF titles under "graphic/web design"?

  I asked an employee of my local Barnes and Nobel the other day and he said
  this was a corporate decision.  

  Personally, it always irks me that CF books aren't in with the programming
  books.  Maybe we should all start complaining to the chains about this, and
  MM -- MM should file its own protests. I think.

  H.



  ~~
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  Internet Operations Coordinator
  Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
  www.venturacountystar.com
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  AIM: GoCatGo1956
  ~~

  > -Original Message-
  > From: Dave Hodder [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:38 PM
  > To: CF-Talk
  > Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
  > 
  > Jim McAtee wrote:
  > 
  > > There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for another?
  > 
  > It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.  Some of us on the 
  > existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a "proper" comp.* group 
  > would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as the group having 
  > better propagation, longer message retention periods, etc.
  > 
  > Regards,
  > 
  > Dave
  > 
  >   _  
  > 
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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Michael T. Tangorre]

I don't think it matters, since we all know where they are anyways :-)

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Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup


Speaking of more legitimacy -- what's up with chain bookstores always filing
the CF titles under "graphic/web design"?

I asked an employee of my local Barnes and Nobel the other day and he said
this was a corporate decision.  

Personally, it always irks me that CF books aren't in with the programming
books.  Maybe we should all start complaining to the chains about this, and
MM -- MM should file its own protests. I think.

H.



~~
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Internet Operations Coordinator
Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
www.venturacountystar.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AIM: GoCatGo1956
~~

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Hodder [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
> 
> Jim McAtee wrote:
> 
> > There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for another?
> 
> It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.  Some of us on the 
> existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a "proper" comp.* group 
> would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as the group having 
> better propagation, longer message retention periods, etc.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
>   _  
> 
> [ Todays Threads 
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Jim Campbell]

The Borders up here has them filed under "Programming".

- Jim

Owens, Howard wrote:

> Speaking of more legitimacy -- what's up with chain bookstores always 
> filing
> the CF titles under "graphic/web design"?
>
> I asked an employee of my local Barnes and Nobel the other day and he said
> this was a corporate decision.  
>
> Personally, it always irks me that CF books aren't in with the programming
> books.  Maybe we should all start complaining to the chains about 
> this, and
> MM -- MM should file its own protests. I think.
>
> H.
>
>
>
> ~~
> Howard Owens
> Internet Operations Coordinator
> Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
> www.venturacountystar.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AIM: GoCatGo1956
> ~~
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave Hodder [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:38 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
> >
> > Jim McAtee wrote:
> >
> > > There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for another?
> >
> > It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.  Some of us on the
> > existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a "proper" comp.* group
> > would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as the group having
> > better propagation, longer message retention periods, etc.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >   _  
> >
> > [ Todays Threads
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[Owens, Howard]

Speaking of more legitimacy -- what's up with chain bookstores always filing
the CF titles under "graphic/web design"?

I asked an employee of my local Barnes and Nobel the other day and he said
this was a corporate decision.  

Personally, it always irks me that CF books aren't in with the programming
books.  Maybe we should all start complaining to the chains about this, and
MM -- MM should file its own protests. I think.

H.



~~
Howard Owens
Internet Operations Coordinator
Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
www.venturacountystar.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AIM: GoCatGo1956
~~

> -Original Message-
> From:	Dave Hodder [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent:	Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:38 PM
> To:	CF-Talk
> Subject:	Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
> 
> Jim McAtee wrote:
> 
> > There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for another?
> 
> It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.  Some of us on the 
> existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a "proper" comp.* group 
> would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as the group having 
> better propagation, longer message retention periods, etc.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
>   _  
> 
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Dave Hodder]

Jim McAtee wrote:> There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for another?It's covered in the comp.lang.coldfusion rationale.  Some of us on the existing alt.comp.lang.coldfusion group feel a "proper" comp.* group would give ColdFusion more legitimacy, as well as the group having better propagation, longer message retention periods, etc.Regards,Dave
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Dave Hodder]

Mike Brunt wrote:> Thanks Dave, I don’t think my question was well put.  What I was trying to> figure out is who voted and why the initiative missed the mark, was there> anything we could have done?  Again, sorry if this is ultra-newbie but it> seems such a bloody shame this failed.I don't know.  The Call For Votes appeared on several mailing lists and newsgroups, so I don't think there was anything intrinsically wrong with   "selling the idea".  Perhaps everyone should've mentioned it in their weblogs.  ;o)  If anyone seems enthusiastic about the idea six months from now I may try again, if not I won't.One harsh possibility may be that ColdFusion isn't popular enough to warrant it's own comp.* newsgroup, but that's certainly not one I buy into.  Another possibility might be that CF developers simply prefer Macromedia's own forums or mailing lists such as this.  It's something I could pontificate on endlessly, to be honest.  ;o)Regards,Dave
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Jim McAtee]

From: "Dave Hodder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> For those who are interested, the results for comp.lang.coldfusion can > now be found on  (message > ).> > There were 96 YES votes, 8 NO votes, 3 abstaining votes and 1 invalid > vote.  Because we did not have 100 more YES than NO votes, I'm sad to > say the proposal failed.  Even so thank you everyone who took part.There's already a CF newsgroup.  Why the need for another?
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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Mike Brunt]

Thanks Dave, I don’t think my question was well put.  What I was trying tofigure out is who voted and why the initiative missed the mark, was thereanything we could have done?  Again, sorry if this is ultra-newbie but itseems such a bloody shame this failed.Kind Regards - Mike BruntWebapper Services LLCWeb Site http://www.webapper.comBlog http://www.webapper.netWebapper -Original Message-From: Dave Hodder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 11:22 AMTo: CF-TalkSubject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet NewsgroupMike Brunt wrote:> Excuse my ignorance here but who are the people who voted and where didthey> vote?It was a vote to create a Usenet discussion forum under the comp.*hierarchy.The full results, including the list of voters and rationale are at< http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=1064642212.4544%40isc.org>.A few of us are discussing it on the news.groups newsgroup; see< http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=bl3la7010ub%40enews4.newsguy.com>.Regards,Dave  _[ Todays Threads 
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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Chris Kief]

It's buried down in that link - must wait 6 months.    _  From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 11:26 AMTo: CF-TalkSubject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup So can you try again?-Gel-Original Message-From: Dave Hodder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It was a vote to create a Usenet discussion forum under the comp.* hierarchy.The full results, including the list of voters and rationale are at <.">http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=1064642212.4544%40isc.org<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=1064642212.4544%40isc.org<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=1064642212.4544%40isc.org%3e> >>.A few of us are discussing it on the news.groups newsgroup; see <.">http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=bl3la7010ub%40enews4.newsguy.com<http://gro!<http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=bl3la7010ub%40enews4.newsguy.co>ups.google.com/groups?threadm=bl3la7010ub%40enews4.newsguy.com> >.Regards,Dave  _  [Todays 
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Dave Hodder]

Angel Stewart wrote:> Can you try again?Yes, but not immediately.  The method by which "Big Eight" newsgroups (such as comp.* groups) are created is governed by a document entitled The Big Eight Newsgroup Creation Process; we're forbidden from trying again for six months.CheersDave
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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Angel Stewart]

So can you try again? -Gel -Original Message-From: Dave Hodder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It was a vote to create a Usenet discussion forum under the comp.* hierarchy.The full results, including the list of voters and rationale are at <.">http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=1064642212.4544%40isc.org >.A few of us are discussing it on the news.groups newsgroup; see <.">http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=bl3la7010ub%40enews4.newsguy.com >.Regards,Dave
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Dave Hodder]

Mike Brunt wrote:> Excuse my ignorance here but who are the people who voted and where did they> vote?It was a vote to create a Usenet discussion forum under the comp.* hierarchy.The full results, including the list of voters and rationale are at . A few of us are discussing it on the news.groups newsgroup; see .Regards,Dave
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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Mike Brunt]

Excuse my ignorance here but who are the people who voted and where did theyvote?Kind Regards - Mike BruntWebapper Services LLCWeb Site http://www.webapper.comBlog http://www.webapper.netWebapper -Original Message-From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 9:06 AMTo: CF-TalkSubject: RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet NewsgroupCan you try again?0_0-Gel-Original Message-From: Dave Hodder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]For those who are interested, the results for comp.lang.coldfusion cannow be found on  (message).There were 96 YES votes, 8 NO votes, 3 abstaining votes and 1 invalidvote.  Because we did not have 100 more YES than NO votes, I'm sad tosay the proposal failed.  Even so thank you everyone who took part.Regards,Dave  _[ Todays Threads 
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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Angel Stewart]

Can you try again? 0_0 -Gel -Original Message-From: Dave Hodder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For those who are interested, the results for comp.lang.coldfusion can now be found on  (message ).There were 96 YES votes, 8 NO votes, 3 abstaining votes and 1 invalid vote.  Because we did not have 100 more YES than NO votes, I'm sad to say the proposal failed.  Even so thank you everyone who took part.Regards,Dave
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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Peter Tilbrook]

I must have missed that one - probably in between another system re-build -but pity it didn't get the votes it deserved. Try adding "binaries" perhapsnext time?  -Original Message-  From: Dave Hodder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2003 8:41 PM  To: CF-Talk  Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup  For those who are interested, the results for comp.lang.coldfusion can  now be found on  (message  ).  There were 96 YES votes, 8 NO votes, 3 abstaining votes and 1 invalid  vote.  Because we did not have 100 more YES than NO votes, I'm sad to  say the proposal failed.  Even so thank you everyone who took part.  Regards,  Dave
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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Adam Reynolds]

Wow,What a shame:(I am stunned that Macromedia did not organise it's employees to getinvolved.  -Original Message-  From: Dave Hodder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: 27 September 2003 11:41  To: CF-Talk  Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup  For those who are interested, the results for comp.lang.coldfusion can  now be found on  (message  ).  There were 96 YES votes, 8 NO votes, 3 abstaining votes and 1 invalid  vote.  Because we did not have 100 more YES than NO votes, I'm sad to  say the proposal failed.  Even so thank you everyone who took part.  Regards,  Dave
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Dave Hodder]

For those who are interested, the results for comp.lang.coldfusion can now be found on  (message ).There were 96 YES votes, 8 NO votes, 3 abstaining votes and 1 invalid vote.  Because we did not have 100 more YES than NO votes, I'm sad to say the proposal failed.  Even so thank you everyone who took part.Regards,Dave
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Dave Hodder]

Matt Liotta wrote:
> 
> That doesn't make much sense. ColdFusion is a product name; not a  
> language. Oh, and BTW, it is trademarked. CFML on the other hand is a  
> language, is not trademarked, and most importantly is implemented by  
> two difference products, ColdFusion and BlueDragon.

The consensus was that more people would search for "ColdFusion" than 
"CFML", hence the former would result in a more successful newsgroup. 
(CFML does of course stand for ColdFusion Markup Language.)  There was 
some debate on which subhierarchy to place it under, and comp.lang.* 
seemed as good as any of the other possible places, IMHO -- see the full 
RFD thread for how this decision came about.  The organisation of Usenet 
newsgroups has never been a precise science.  :o)

Regards,

Dave

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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Jim Davis]

I'm a big proponent of alt.comp.lang.coldfusion - but having a "real"
comp group has many advantages - not the least of which is simple
legitimacy of ColdFusion as a main-hierarchy-worthy tool.

Jim Davis

> -Original Message-
> From: Jesse Houwing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:32 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
> 
> Dave Hodder wrote:
> 
> >Hello,
> >
> >A Call For Votes has been issued to hopefully create the Usenet
> >newsgroup comp.lang.coldfusion.  If created the group will provide a
> >useful forum for CFML/CFScript programming as well as ColdFusion
> >Server/BlueDragon Server configuration issues.
> >
> >
> 
> Did you spot alt.comp.lang.coldfusion already? It's already there to
> serve the same purpose,
> 
> Jesse
> 
> 
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Matt Liotta]

> The subject of which name would be best came up during the Request For
> Discussion process; in the end most people seemed to prefer
> comp.lang.coldfusion.  For my own take on the issue, see
>  groups?selm=slrnbjg6ko.238.dmh%40armaros.dmh.org.uk>.
>
That doesn't make much sense. ColdFusion is a product name; not a  
language. Oh, and BTW, it is trademarked. CFML on the other hand is a  
language, is not trademarked, and most importantly is implemented by  
two difference products, ColdFusion and BlueDragon.


Matt Liotta
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Dave Hodder]

Jesse Houwing wrote:

> Did you spot alt.comp.lang.coldfusion already? It's already there to 
> serve the same purpose,

Hi Jesse,

Yes, I'm a poster on alt.comp.lang.coldfusion, and in fact 
alt.comp.lang.coldfusion is where the idea originally came up.  Our hope 
is that comp.lang.coldfusion, if created, will build on the success of 
the alt.* group.  By virtue of it being a "Big Eight" group it will be 
accessible to more people, and posts made to the group will have a 
longer retention period.

Thanks,

Dave

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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Jesse Houwing]

Kevin Graeme wrote:

>It's been a while since I've done usenet, but I recall there being something
>significant with getting a non-alt.* newsgroup. One thing that I do know is
>that many ISPs and companies don't permit alt.* groups on their nntp server.
>
>-Kevin
>  
>
That seems legit, though I've never had an ISP or school that didn't had 
the alt.com.* groups. I do know of a few that don't have the alt.bin* 
groups.

Jesse

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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Dave Hodder]

Jim Campbell wrote:
> I voted for this as well.  There are enough news servers that don't 
> bother with alt.* access due to titanic storage requirements if you want 
> retention of anything more than a few days.  Besides, having a 
> comp.lang.* address makes ColdFusion look legit :), although, 
> sematically, shouldn't it be comp.lang.cfml?  ;)

Thanks Jim.  :o)

The subject of which name would be best came up during the Request For 
Discussion process; in the end most people seemed to prefer 
comp.lang.coldfusion.  For my own take on the issue, see 
.

Regards,

Dave

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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Jim Campbell]

I voted for this as well.  There are enough news servers that don't 
bother with alt.* access due to titanic storage requirements if you want 
retention of anything more than a few days.  Besides, having a 
comp.lang.* address makes ColdFusion look legit :), although, 
sematically, shouldn't it be comp.lang.cfml?  ;)

- Jim

Tony Weeg wrote:

>if you read the vote thingie (I did and voted BTW)
>you will see that there is some expressed concern that
>some nntp servers don't have/use/give access to alt.
>newsgroups.  that's why this initiative was started.
>
>fyi
>
>tony weeg
>sr. web applications architect
>navtrak, inc.
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>www.navtrak.net
>office 410.548.2337
>fax 410.860.2337
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Jesse Houwing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:32 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup
>
>
>Dave Hodder wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>A Call For Votes has been issued to hopefully create the Usenet
>>newsgroup comp.lang.coldfusion.  If created the group will provide a 
>>useful forum for CFML/CFScript programming as well as ColdFusion 
>>Server/BlueDragon Server configuration issues.
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>Did you spot alt.comp.lang.coldfusion already? It's already there to 
>serve the same purpose,
>
>Jesse
>
>
>
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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Kevin Graeme]

It's been a while since I've done usenet, but I recall there being something
significant with getting a non-alt.* newsgroup. One thing that I do know is
that many ISPs and companies don't permit alt.* groups on their nntp server.

-Kevin


- Original Message - 
From: "Jesse Houwing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup


> Dave Hodder wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >A Call For Votes has been issued to hopefully create the Usenet
> >newsgroup comp.lang.coldfusion.  If created the group will provide a
> >useful forum for CFML/CFScript programming as well as ColdFusion
> >Server/BlueDragon Server configuration issues.
> >
> >
>
> Did you spot alt.comp.lang.coldfusion already? It's already there to
> serve the same purpose,
>
> Jesse
>
> 
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RE: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Tony Weeg]

if you read the vote thingie (I did and voted BTW)
you will see that there is some expressed concern that
some nntp servers don't have/use/give access to alt.
newsgroups.  that's why this initiative was started.

fyi

tony weeg
sr. web applications architect
navtrak, inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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office 410.548.2337
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-Original Message-
From: Jesse Houwing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup


Dave Hodder wrote:

>Hello,
>
>A Call For Votes has been issued to hopefully create the Usenet
>newsgroup comp.lang.coldfusion.  If created the group will provide a 
>useful forum for CFML/CFScript programming as well as ColdFusion 
>Server/BlueDragon Server configuration issues.
>  
>

Did you spot alt.comp.lang.coldfusion already? It's already there to 
serve the same purpose,

Jesse


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Re: CFV: comp.lang.coldfusion Usenet Newsgroup

[Jesse Houwing]

Dave Hodder wrote:

>Hello,
>
>A Call For Votes has been issued to hopefully create the Usenet 
>newsgroup comp.lang.coldfusion.  If created the group will provide a 
>useful forum for CFML/CFScript programming as well as ColdFusion 
>Server/BlueDragon Server configuration issues.
>  
>

Did you spot alt.comp.lang.coldfusion already? It's already there to 
serve the same purpose,

Jesse

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