Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
> > spending money). > > There are free (and/or very cheap) CF hosts. My concern is the IP protection, not too sure if the free/cheap CF hosts truly protect what I host there, if bad thing happens law suit? I'd rather stay away from hassle... > > Were you not able to access my semantic search demo? > > I can. Other places have even more strict policys than ours. I've created a web service for it, let me know if you'd like to check it out. Also wondering what sort of business would likely see more value out of it... > -- > Tom Chiverton > Helping to centrally compete error-free meta-services > on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294622 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
On Tuesday 11 Dec 2007, d l wrote: > The thing is, of the two choices of my local ISPs, both blocks port 80, > going for other ISP might be too expensive (I've got to be careful about > spending money). There are free (and/or very cheap) CF hosts. > Were you not able to access my semantic search demo? I can. Other places have even more strict policys than ours. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to centrally compete error-free meta-services on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294585 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
> On Tuesday 11 Dec 2007, d l wrote: > > The thing is my ISP blocks port 80 > > Is this because you're not meant to be running any|production services > on it, > by any chance ? > I choose my ISP because they explictly *did* allow running servers > over the > ADSL* line in their T+Cs... > > -- > Tom Chiverton The thing is, of the two choices of my local ISPs, both blocks port 80, going for other ISP might be too expensive (I've got to be careful about spending money). Were you not able to access my semantic search demo? Thanks. Don ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294523 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
On Tuesday 11 Dec 2007, d l wrote: > The thing is my ISP blocks port 80 Is this because you're not meant to be running any|production services on it, by any chance ? I choose my ISP because they explictly *did* allow running servers over the ADSL* line in their T+Cs... -- Tom Chiverton Helping to efficiently iterate value-added deliverables on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com * Your reverse DNS is ip24-254-1-94.rn.hr.cox.net so I'm guessing here... This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294513 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
The thing is my ISP blocks port 80 and I don't understand the rationale of organizations blocking port like 8000 (if memory serves I think one of the rfc standard specified that any port above 8000 is recommended as an alternative to port 80, that was about 14 years ago when I first started to "play" with httpd...) is 8000 and the like considered as security hole now? Maybe as a generic security approach of permitting only a few ports like 80 for web, 25 for smtp and 110 for pop3 while blocking virtually all other ports. And that seems to make some sense. Thanks. > On Monday 10 Dec 2007, d l wrote: > > -- The previous url has been replaced by a permanent one, > > http://web.mytata.net:8000/TextSearch/search.cfm > > Not port 80 ? This may cause some people problems... > > -- > Tom Chiverton > Helping to augmentatively mesh leading-edge environments > on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72&catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294510 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
On Monday 10 Dec 2007, d l wrote: > -- The previous url has been replaced by a permanent one, > http://web.mytata.net:8000/TextSearch/search.cfm Not port 80 ? This may cause some people problems... -- Tom Chiverton Helping to augmentatively mesh leading-edge environments on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294504 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
Update: -- The previous url has been replaced by a permanent one, http://web.mytata.net:8000/TextSearch/search.cfm -- More impotantly, it's now on cf8 and SPEED has improved SUBSTANTIALLY. -- The key scoring algothrithm is to calculate and assign each term a score, adding them up for each target data set, then return matches with the highest score first... Check it out and let me what you think. Thanks. -- my own wish list, a more meaningful/current target database, so that people also get something out of it while checking it out instead of just to see semantic search in action. > Greetings to all, > > I know Verity and Google search etc. etc. Try the following if you're > interested in the topic, but before you begin let me issue some > warnings: > a) I'm not implementing some of the stuff that a beginner programmer > would have implemented such as telling peole, oh query does not find > such and such... just provide the core function... > b) Please do no ask me for source code nor alg... > c) Now let's get to the 'meat' part :) > You may try the following 'concepts' respectively > > luck > computer > environmental protection > Hollywood star > > --- > another perspective, get a feel of what's on people's mind back then... > > try, > future energy > > -- > our interest in other nation > Japan > (hint, you may try any of the following respectively as well > japanese archipelago > japanese islands > nihon > nippon > ) > > -- > my own opinion, the 'thing' is good enough but not perfect. > e.g. concept of 'energy' would get "department of energy", good, but > meantime, it would get 'zip' as well, wtf? > > NOW, here you go (the server is an old box, bear with me...) > http://24.254.6.28:8000/myta/search.cfm > > P.S. > I think there's a recent thread on Verity, customerizable parameter > weighting something,yes, that would be doable with my approach... ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72&catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294463 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
>So is this an app that you will host or will you potentially release it? > >If you will only host is it available as a webservice? > >Is it commercial or General use? etc.. Richard, I've whipped cf8 to do its job (have set up a Web Service for this semantic/conceptual search component), send me an email at info @ mytata.net and I'll send you relevant info. Thanks. Don ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finder&productID=1522&loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294311 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
> On Thursday 29 Nov 2007, d l wrote: > > > But for one site 'energy' bringing back 'geothermal' may be OK, > but on > > > another > > > site 'zen' would be a much better choice. > > Excellent point! We need to know our audience, which should be a > given in > > your case? or to provide them with options / clear instructions? > > I would *imagine* your device/service is going to be sold to a range > of > companies, with a range of knowledge domains and taxonomies, which is > why it > needs to be configurable. > > -- > Tom Chiverton > Helping to assertively expedite market-driven developments > on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com > "Configurable"? Yes, Tom, the whole thing is a HUGE task (telling people it's "good enough" and yet as a provider one wants to do better...and always). ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294006 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
On Thursday 29 Nov 2007, d l wrote: > > But for one site 'energy' bringing back 'geothermal' may be OK, but on > > another > > site 'zen' would be a much better choice. > Excellent point! We need to know our audience, which should be a given in > your case? or to provide them with options / clear instructions? I would *imagine* your device/service is going to be sold to a range of companies, with a range of knowledge domains and taxonomies, which is why it needs to be configurable. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to assertively expedite market-driven developments on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com Please note, as of 10th December 2007 the registered office address of Halliwells LLP will be at 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finder&productID=1522&loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293996 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
>So is this an app that you will host or will you potentially release it? > >If you will only host is it available as a webservice? > >Is it commercial or General use? etc.. I'm shooting to host it as sort of SaaS service offering a free trial period and then charge a reasonable fee, and to be honest currently the cf server that hosts the demo is way too old like 80 years old :) I'm cheap, bought it cheap... Also, a guy who's involved with the core technology is also helping me out to make it more accurate (he's the best of the best...) I'll provide daily updates (btw, I'd like to thank the site owner for providinh such a platform). ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finder&productID=1522&loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293992 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
Thanks for the great input and the SA pointer. And as you imply in reality things are easier said than done. Also, some times one may opt for more relevant results than more accurate results while others may differ... or it depends on context etc. etc. Don P.S. I remember you, hope you're doing well. >> > > >Scientific American has a great article this month about how the Semantic >Web could direct searches in just that kind of way. You can buy the issue >online here: > >http://www.sciamdigital.com/index.cfm?fa=Products.ViewIssuePreview&ARTICLEID >_CHAR=3734452E-3048-8A5E-1068474BA8D770C8 > >The example they use is "Search for Sitcoms set in New York City" and >explode that out to three clauses. "Sitcoms" get matched "Television Show", >"TV" and many other things. "Set in" equates to "Takes place in", >"located", etc and "New York City" is an amalgamation of neighborhoods, >nicknames and the like. > >It's easy to over-simplify and damn the concept but it truly is interesting. > >However it does reinforce a fundamental concept: truly useful searching >results from cooperation between the search engine and the content owners. >Content scanners like we have today (Google, Verity, etc) work wonders but >are always going to be hamstrung by the lack of contextual, >machine-understandable information. > >Of course users also need to be involved. As you've inferred nearly any >search which lacks a domain context has the potential to be poor. > >Jim Davis ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293991 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
> -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:55 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Conceptual Search against Database(s) > > > -Original Message- > > From: d l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:19 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s) > > > > > On Thursday 29 Nov 2007, d l wrote: > > > > "my own set of domain knowledge / weightings " > > > > Sure, imho, the "key word" here is "good enough", and probably cost > > > > effective as well. > > > > > > Maybe. > > > But for one site 'energy' bringing back 'geothermal' may be OK, but > > on > > > another > > > site 'zen' would be a much better choice. > > Scientific American has a great article this month about how the Semantic > Web could direct searches in just that kind of way. You can buy the issue > online here: > > http://www.sciamdigital.com/index.cfm?fa=Products.ViewIssuePreview&ARTICLE > ID > _CHAR=3734452E-3048-8A5E-1068474BA8D770C8 > > The example they use is "Search for Sitcoms set in New York City" and > explode that out to three clauses. "Sitcoms" get matched "Television > Show", > "TV" and many other things. "Set in" equates to "Takes place in", > "located", etc and "New York City" is an amalgamation of neighborhoods, > nicknames and the like. > > It's easy to over-simplify and damn the concept but it truly is > interesting. > > However it does reinforce a fundamental concept: truly useful searching > results from cooperation between the search engine and the content owners. > Content scanners like we have today (Google, Verity, etc) work wonders but > are always going to be hamstrung by the lack of contextual, > machine-understandable information. > > Of course users also need to be involved. As you've inferred nearly any > search which lacks a domain context has the potential to be poor. > > Jim Davis > > I don't know much about conceptual search myself, but I know that there are a lot of add-on available for Lucene to do all sorts of cool stuff. I would ask on their mailing list and see if anyone's tackled the problem. I believe there have things like wordnet plugin so you can probably get synonyms, etc. Russ ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293986 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
> -Original Message- > From: d l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:19 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s) > > > On Thursday 29 Nov 2007, d l wrote: > > > "my own set of domain knowledge / weightings " > > > Sure, imho, the "key word" here is "good enough", and probably cost > > > effective as well. > > > > Maybe. > > But for one site 'energy' bringing back 'geothermal' may be OK, but > on > > another > > site 'zen' would be a much better choice. Scientific American has a great article this month about how the Semantic Web could direct searches in just that kind of way. You can buy the issue online here: http://www.sciamdigital.com/index.cfm?fa=Products.ViewIssuePreview&ARTICLEID _CHAR=3734452E-3048-8A5E-1068474BA8D770C8 The example they use is "Search for Sitcoms set in New York City" and explode that out to three clauses. "Sitcoms" get matched "Television Show", "TV" and many other things. "Set in" equates to "Takes place in", "located", etc and "New York City" is an amalgamation of neighborhoods, nicknames and the like. It's easy to over-simplify and damn the concept but it truly is interesting. However it does reinforce a fundamental concept: truly useful searching results from cooperation between the search engine and the content owners. Content scanners like we have today (Google, Verity, etc) work wonders but are always going to be hamstrung by the lack of contextual, machine-understandable information. Of course users also need to be involved. As you've inferred nearly any search which lacks a domain context has the potential to be poor. Jim Davis ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293985 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
So is this an app that you will host or will you potentially release it? If you will only host is it available as a webservice? Is it commercial or General use? etc.. ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the "What's New PDF" now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293984 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
> On Thursday 29 Nov 2007, d l wrote: > > "my own set of domain knowledge / weightings " > > Sure, imho, the "key word" here is "good enough", and probably cost > > effective as well. > > Maybe. > But for one site 'energy' bringing back 'geothermal' may be OK, but on > another > site 'zen' would be a much better choice. > > -- > Tom Chiverton > Helping to challengingly create industry-wide segments > on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com Excellent point! We need to know our audience, which should be a given in your case? or to provide them with options / clear instructions? ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293979 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
On Thursday 29 Nov 2007, d l wrote: > "my own set of domain knowledge / weightings " > Sure, imho, the "key word" here is "good enough", and probably cost > effective as well. Maybe. But for one site 'energy' bringing back 'geothermal' may be OK, but on another site 'zen' would be a much better choice. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to challengingly create industry-wide segments on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com Please note, as of 10th December 2007 the registered office address of Halliwells LLP will be at 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293977 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
>What's are you offering? A better database search service on a small scale. And consider to ignore the noise of google this and google that (no one says google is bad nor people are not appreciative of their service...) ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293971 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
"my own set of domain knowledge / weightings " Sure, imho, the "key word" here is "good enough", and probably cost effective as well. > On Tuesday 27 Nov 2007, d l wrote: > > I know Verity and Google search etc. etc. Try the following if > you're > > So your looking up the search term in a thesaurus (or similar) and > feeding > those in as weighted alternate terms ? > Can I provide my own set of domain knowledge / weightings if so ? > > -- > Tom Chiverton > Helping to centrally differentiate B2B web-readiness > on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com > > > > This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. > > Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in > England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered > office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. > A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. > Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a > member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation > Authority. > > CONFIDENTIALITY > > This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above > and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the > addressee you must not read it and must not use any information > contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells > LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have > received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells > LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. > > For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293969 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
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RE: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
> So your looking up the search term in a thesaurus (or > similar) and feeding those in as weighted alternate terms ? > Can I provide my own set of domain knowledge / weightings if so ? I haven't been following the thread too closely, but you can do that easily with the Google search appliances. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293957 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
On Tuesday 27 Nov 2007, d l wrote: > I know Verity and Google search etc. etc. Try the following if you're So your looking up the search term in a thesaurus (or similar) and feeding those in as weighted alternate terms ? Can I provide my own set of domain knowledge / weightings if so ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to centrally differentiate B2B web-readiness on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72&catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293951 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
James, Got your email, will send you email tomorrow. Thks. Don > DL, > > You can find my email address here: > > http://www.omnibrow.com/deleteme.txt > > sorry for the runaround, but I don't want to post it online > permanently and as soon as you email me, i will be taking it down. > > Sorry to everyone else that they have to be bothered with non-public > business. > > James. > > > James, > > > > Yes, it would cost money but not expensive... > > It has nothing to do with Verity nor Google. What's your email > > address? We could discuss more offline. > > > > Don > > > dl, > > > > > > I was the one who posted about Verity. > > > > > > Sadly, I didnt understand your email or find any more information > on > > > > > your website. > > > ... > > > What exactly is your approach? How would I implement it on my > site? > > Is > > > it proprietary? Does it build on verity? Does it cost money? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings to all, > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. > > > > I think there's a recent thread on Verity, customerizable > > parameter > > > > > > > weighting something,yes, that would be doable with my approach... > ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finder&productID=1522&loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293949 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
DL, You can find my email address here: http://www.omnibrow.com/deleteme.txt sorry for the runaround, but I don't want to post it online permanently and as soon as you email me, i will be taking it down. Sorry to everyone else that they have to be bothered with non-public business. James. > James, > > Yes, it would cost money but not expensive... > It has nothing to do with Verity nor Google. What's your email > address? We could discuss more offline. > > Don > > dl, > > > > I was the one who posted about Verity. > > > > Sadly, I didnt understand your email or find any more information on > > > your website. > > ... > > What exactly is your approach? How would I implement it on my site? > Is > > it proprietary? Does it build on verity? Does it cost money? > > > > > > > > > Greetings to all, > > > > > > > > > P.S. > > > I think there's a recent thread on Verity, customerizable > parameter > > > > > weighting something,yes, that would be doable with my approach... ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finder&productID=1522&loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293948 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
Update: -- Have improved query performance substantially; -- Add additional notes... -- If we're talking about searching against a specific set of data, say, a particular data column in a database's table then, this approach, imho, kicks ass. So, probably one could consider to use it against the most important data sets of a web app to provide more value for data search... > Greetings to all, > > I know Verity and Google search etc. etc. Try the following if you're > interested in the topic, but before you begin let me issue some > warnings: > a) I'm not implementing some of the stuff that a beginner programmer > would have implemented such as telling peole, oh query does not find > such and such... just provide the core function... > b) Please do no ask me for source code nor alg... > c) Now let's get to the 'meat' part :) > You may try the following 'concepts' respectively > > luck > computer > environmental protection > Hollywood star > > --- > another perspective, get a feel of what's on people's mind back then... > > try, > future energy > > -- > our interest in other nation > Japan > (hint, you may try any of the following respectively as well > japanese archipelago > japanese islands > nihon > nippon > ) > > -- > my own opinion, the 'thing' is good enough but not perfect. > e.g. concept of 'energy' would get "department of energy", good, but > meantime, it would get 'zip' as well, wtf? > > NOW, here you go (the server is an old box, bear with me...) > http://24.254.6.28:8000/myta/search.cfm > > P.S. > I think there's a recent thread on Verity, customerizable parameter > weighting something,yes, that would be doable with my approach... ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293918 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
James, Yes, it would cost money but not expensive... It has nothing to do with Verity nor Google. What's your email address? We could discuss more offline. Don > dl, > > I was the one who posted about Verity. > > Sadly, I didnt understand your email or find any more information on > your website. > ... > What exactly is your approach? How would I implement it on my site? Is > it proprietary? Does it build on verity? Does it cost money? > > > > > Greetings to all, > > > > > > P.S. > > I think there's a recent thread on Verity, customerizable parameter > > > weighting something,yes, that would be doable with my approach... ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293894 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Conceptual Search against Database(s)
dl, I was the one who posted about Verity. Sadly, I didnt understand your email or find any more information on your website. What exactly is your approach? How would I implement it on my site? Is it proprietary? Does it build on verity? Does it cost money? > Greetings to all, > > I know Verity and Google search etc. etc. Try the following if you're > interested in the topic, but before you begin let me issue some > warnings: > a) I'm not implementing some of the stuff that a beginner programmer > would have implemented such as telling peole, oh query does not find > such and such... just provide the core function... > b) Please do no ask me for source code nor alg... > c) Now let's get to the 'meat' part :) > You may try the following 'concepts' respectively > > luck > computer > environmental protection > Hollywood star > > --- > another perspective, get a feel of what's on people's mind back then... > > try, > future energy > > -- > our interest in other nation > Japan > (hint, you may try any of the following respectively as well > japanese archipelago > japanese islands > nihon > nippon > ) > > -- > my own opinion, the 'thing' is good enough but not perfect. > e.g. concept of 'energy' would get "department of energy", good, but > meantime, it would get 'zip' as well, wtf? > > NOW, here you go (the server is an old box, bear with me...) > http://24.254.6.28:8000/myta/search.cfm > > P.S. > I think there's a recent thread on Verity, customerizable parameter > weighting something,yes, that would be doable with my approach... ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the "What's New PDF" now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:293891 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
