RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
One of the things I'd love to see in Studio is ability to select/highlight text both at the Row and the Column level. I use Studio for everything, imcluding editing text files. When working with character delimted text files is would be really nice to be able to select enitre columns of text. -Original Message- From: Terry Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! Hi cf-talk, We're deep in the middle of the design and development for the next major release of ColdFusion and are looking for some good input on ColdFusion enhancements. Below is a link to an enhancement-tracking application that we've put online temporarily. Inside you will find over 200 CF enhancement requests that we have received and logged over the past year that you may vote on or add to. You will need to create a simple account to vote. Note that this system will only be available publicly for two days as we need to put this application on a solid server before opening up permanently -- we'd just like some quick feedback now. http://syndication.allaire.com/vote/ Your detailed input is important. Please post comments in the app beside any features or enhancements that interest you. Not only is your vote important, but also descriptions about how you'd use such a feature or a story about how you needed such a feature in the past. Please be as verbose as possible when posting -- more info, the better! Feel free to not only vote on items but to also add your own items. Standard disclaimer: Other variables go into the blender of feature definition. 100 votes for I'd like CF to emulate the Vic-20 does not necessarily mean that this feature will make the cut. This is simply one of a number of methods that we're using to help guide product development. Thanks, Terry ColdFusion Product Management ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
oh yeah brings back memories of brief - Original Message - From: Duane Boudreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! One of the things I'd love to see in Studio is ability to select/highlight text both at the Row and the Column level. I use Studio for everything, imcluding editing text files. When working with character delimted text files is would be really nice to be able to select enitre columns of text. -Original Message- From: Terry Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! Hi cf-talk, We're deep in the middle of the design and development for the next major release of ColdFusion and are looking for some good input on ColdFusion enhancements. Below is a link to an enhancement-tracking application that we've put online temporarily. Inside you will find over 200 CF enhancement requests that we have received and logged over the past year that you may vote on or add to. You will need to create a simple account to vote. Note that this system will only be available publicly for two days as we need to put this application on a solid server before opening up permanently -- we'd just like some quick feedback now. http://syndication.allaire.com/vote/ Your detailed input is important. Please post comments in the app beside any features or enhancements that interest you. Not only is your vote important, but also descriptions about how you'd use such a feature or a story about how you needed such a feature in the past. Please be as verbose as possible when posting -- more info, the better! Feel free to not only vote on items but to also add your own items. Standard disclaimer: Other variables go into the blender of feature definition. 100 votes for I'd like CF to emulate the Vic-20 does not necessarily mean that this feature will make the cut. This is simply one of a number of methods that we're using to help guide product development. Thanks, Terry ColdFusion Product Management ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
Have a look at CRiSP - www.crisp.com A bit pricey, though (minimum $150 after 21 day free trial) Stephen oh yeah brings back memories of brief - Original Message - From: Duane Boudreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! One of the things I'd love to see in Studio is ability to select/highlight text both at the Row and the Column level. I use Studio for everything, imcluding editing text files. When working with character delimted text files is would be really nice to be able to select enitre columns of text. -Original Message- From: Terry Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! Hi cf-talk, We're deep in the middle of the design and development for the next major release of ColdFusion and are looking for some good input on ColdFusion enhancements. Below is a link to an enhancement-tracking application that we've put online temporarily. Inside you will find over 200 CF enhancement requests that we have received and logged over the past year that you may vote on or add to. You will need to create a simple account to vote. Note that this system will only be available publicly for two days as we need to put this application on a solid server before opening up permanently -- we'd just like some quick feedback now. http://syndication.allaire.com/vote/ Your detailed input is important. Please post comments in the app beside any features or enhancements that interest you. Not only is your vote important, but also descriptions about how you'd use such a feature or a story about how you needed such a feature in the past. Please be as verbose as possible when posting -- more info, the better! Feel free to not only vote on items but to also add your own items. Standard disclaimer: Other variables go into the blender of feature definition. 100 votes for I'd like CF to emulate the Vic-20 does not necessarily mean that this feature will make the cut. This is simply one of a number of methods that we're using to help guide product development. Thanks, Terry ColdFusion Product Management ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
On 7/28/01, C. Hatton Humphrey penned: I guess my other wish would be to have a better validator in place. Granted, I work with Studio 4.0.1 so I may be behind the times a tad on that aspect, but the validator included with my version throws fits if I cfloop around a tr or close a form tag in the wrong place because I don't want that stupid extra space! I don't work with Studio, so I'm not sure about the cfloop, but the validator is doing the right thing by telling you about form tags in the wrong place. I hate the extra space also. But if any browser-makers ever start following the HTML specs, all your forms that you're building like that will stop working, as by all rights, any html code in a table but outside of a table cell should be ignored. That said, I do the same thing myself, *IF* I can't possibly get what I need doing it the right way. But the validator is correct in telling you about it. :) -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
Terry - can you add a category for Studio (or tell me where it is)? I know it's a different product, but there are some issues there, I would love to see addressed. Regards. -Bill www.brainbox.tv - Original Message - From: Terry Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! Hi cf-talk, We're deep in the middle of the design and development for the next major release of ColdFusion and are looking for some good input on ColdFusion enhancements. Below is a link to an enhancement-tracking application that we've put online temporarily. Inside you will find over 200 CF enhancement requests that we have received and logged over the past year that you may vote on or add to. You will need to create a simple account to vote. Note that this system will only be available publicly for two days as we need to put this application on a solid server before opening up permanently -- we'd just like some quick feedback now. http://syndication.allaire.com/vote/ Your detailed input is important. Please post comments in the app beside any features or enhancements that interest you. Not only is your vote important, but also descriptions about how you'd use such a feature or a story about how you needed such a feature in the past. Please be as verbose as possible when posting -- more info, the better! Feel free to not only vote on items but to also add your own items. Standard disclaimer: Other variables go into the blender of feature definition. 100 votes for I'd like CF to emulate the Vic-20 does not necessarily mean that this feature will make the cut. This is simply one of a number of methods that we're using to help guide product development. Thanks, Terry ColdFusion Product Management ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
Bill, Macromedia are working on the new version (5.0) right now. Check out http://beta.allaire.com;. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Davidson Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2001 1:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! Terry - can you add a category for Studio (or tell me where it is)? I know it's a different product, but there are some issues there, I would love to see addressed. Regards. -Bill www.brainbox.tv ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
Yeah, I am well aware of it, thanks. There's just a few things I think could benefit from the voting system. I really appreciate the MM people putting this up for CF. It shows that at least they appear to care, which makes me happy! Beta testing and feature requests should not go together. The last thing you need when you are trying to fix something is a new feature to come along and break something else. However I'd be more than happy to dive into formal beta testing of the new Studio I am where I am today from working with software companies to develop their products - literally. I worked so closely with a company that I beta test with that I ended up in their office space for almost 2 years, which decided where brainbox would be born. Best regards. -Bill www.brainbox.tv - Original Message - From: Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! Bill, Macromedia are working on the new version (5.0) right now. Check out http://beta.allaire.com;. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Davidson Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2001 1:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! Terry - can you add a category for Studio (or tell me where it is)? I know it's a different product, but there are some issues there, I would love to see addressed. Regards. -Bill www.brainbox.tv ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
Bill... Agreed! I just finished downloading the latest build of Studio 5 (beta 2) on a 33.6K connection. I'm that keen! About to start using it to see if the promised improvements are there. Some comments in the forums appear to want something totally new for Studio. I disagree. It has a fine pedigree started with Nick Bradbury's HomeSite product. Most long-term CF developers started with Studio 3.1 at least. 4.01 was good. 4.5 faltered with some major bugs (zero byte file saves my major problem. 4.5.2 appears/appeared to be rock solid although the zero byte file save occurred occasionally. If it isn't broken don't fix it. HomeSite/Studio is a great project based code/HTML editor. Version 5.0 of both appear to be on the right track. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
Hi cf-talk, We're deep in the middle of the design and development for the next major release of ColdFusion and are looking for some good input on ColdFusion enhancements. Below is a link to an enhancement-tracking application that we've put online temporarily. Inside you will find over 200 CF enhancement requests that we have received and logged over the past year that you may vote on or add to. You will need to create a simple account to vote. Note that this system will only be available publicly for two days as we need to put this application on a solid server before opening up permanently -- we'd just like some quick feedback now. http://syndication.allaire.com/vote/ Your detailed input is important. Please post comments in the app beside any features or enhancements that interest you. Not only is your vote important, but also descriptions about how you'd use such a feature or a story about how you needed such a feature in the past. Please be as verbose as possible when posting -- more info, the better! Feel free to not only vote on items but to also add your own items. Standard disclaimer: Other variables go into the blender of feature definition. 100 votes for I'd like CF to emulate the Vic-20 does not necessarily mean that this feature will make the cut. This is simply one of a number of methods that we're using to help guide product development. Thanks, Terry ColdFusion Product Management ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
Hmm..well I had an idea for CFSTudio...that might have to be implemented at the CF Server level to be effective..or not..but here it is. Please don't laugh :): Leverage the power of flash and 3D Virtual Environments to make modular programming a lot easier. How about having each 'block' of code being a 3D box..and the input and output of each piece of code would be represented by a double/single headed arrow etc. that would link the boxes together. You could have a 'library' of these code modules that you could 'drag' onto the programming area. You would be able to view the raw code and change it as well within each module or 3D block. You hover the mouse over a block and you might see pertinent info like a Comment string included by the developer, or if it is a custom Tag the input and output that the tag does as well as a comment string etc. You can also scroll back and forth, or around in a 3D space to watch the 'flow' of the program as it takes shape, and isolate various elements such as Variable names, Umm..whether Client variables or Session variables...track queries and what hits are made to the database and what information is requested and see the results VISUALLY between the code block and a 3D representation of a database so you can think about things like load balancing etc. right there on the fly to give you a good gauge as to how your program will perform and the amount of calls that are being made etc. Or Isolate a section of the code flow and then check what Session and CLient variables should be present at this stage and then quickly back track to see where they should be set so you can easily track errors and see the program flow. You should be able to walk through the code by backing up to a Page level and go from page to page checking variables and output, databse calls..and then double click to 'zoom' in on a single page and then drill down further if necessary into a custom tag to see the raw CF Code.(Call an instance of traditional CF Editor) We could also take this a step further in terms of debugging, and analysing a program as opposed to actually creating and putting together a program like this if that is too radical. So you write the program normally, and this Virtual Program Display or CF-VPD would analyse the .cfm files, check what is called in which file and then construct a 3D Map of these connections that you can then use to track down errors or spot ways to make your code more efficient. The Visual 3D representation would take advantage of the rich media environments that are quite common in the Entertainment, world, but haven't quite made it into the mainstream business arena yet. Adobe and other companies are trying to introduce the notion of the 3D web. But the limiting factor on the net is bandwidth, on a single development workstation that isn't a factor however so there's nothing to hold back a Visual approach in that sense.Enabling this system over a broadband internet connection similar to how RPC works now should be included though. Each 'CFTag' could be represented by some sort of 3D symbol and connected...I'm thinking something like Visio..but in 3D..where you can roll up or down..back and forth through the program with the mouse. It may sound confusing..but if you think about it, it should make development a lot easier, quicker, and more accessible to a wide variety of people. Anyways..this is just an idea that has been floating around in my head for a while..maybe I'm just reading too many Sci Fi books. :) -Gel ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
whoa .. sounds like Fusebox version 5.0 :) Imagine having your fuses all mapped out in 3D. Cool! Todd - I'd buy that for a dollar. - Original Message - From: Angél Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! | Hmm..well I had an idea for CFSTudio...that might have to be implemented at the CF Server level to be effective..or not..but | here it is. Please don't laugh :): | | Leverage the power of flash and 3D Virtual Environments to make modular programming a lot easier. | | How about having each 'block' of code being a 3D box..and the input and output of each piece of code would be represented by | a double/single headed arrow etc. that would link the boxes together. | | You could have a 'library' of these code modules that you could 'drag' onto the programming area. You would be able to view | the raw code and change it as well within each module or 3D block. You hover the mouse over a block and you might see | pertinent info like a Comment string included by the developer, or if it is a custom Tag the input and output that the tag | does as well as a comment string etc. | | You can also scroll back and forth, or around in a 3D space to watch the 'flow' of the program as it takes shape, and isolate | various elements such as Variable names, Umm..whether Client variables or Session variables...track queries and what hits are | made to the database and what information is requested and see the results VISUALLY between the code block and a 3D | representation of a database so you can think about things like load balancing etc. right there on the fly to give you a good | gauge as to how your program will perform and the amount of calls that are being made etc. | | Or Isolate a section of the code flow and then check what Session and CLient variables should be present at this stage and | then quickly back track to see where they should be set so you can easily track errors and see the program flow. You should | be able to walk through the code by backing up to a Page level and go from page to page checking variables and output, | databse calls..and then double click to 'zoom' in on a single page and then drill down further if necessary into a custom tag | to see the raw CF Code.(Call an instance of traditional CF Editor) | | We could also take this a step further in terms of debugging, and analysing a program as opposed to actually creating and | putting together a program like this if that is too radical. So you write the program normally, and this Virtual Program | Display or CF-VPD would analyse the .cfm files, check what is called in which file and then construct a 3D Map of these | connections that you can then use to track down errors or spot ways to make your code more efficient. | | The Visual 3D representation would take advantage of the rich media environments that are quite common in the Entertainment, | world, but haven't quite made it into the mainstream business arena yet. Adobe and other companies are trying to introduce | the notion of the 3D web. But the limiting factor on the net is bandwidth, on a single development workstation that isn't a | factor however so there's nothing to hold back a Visual approach in that sense.Enabling this system over a broadband internet | connection similar to how RPC works now should be included though. | | Each 'CFTag' could be represented by some sort of 3D symbol and connected...I'm thinking something like Visio..but in | 3D..where you can roll up or down..back and forth through the program with the mouse. It may sound confusing..but if you | think about it, it should make development a lot easier, quicker, and more accessible to a wide variety of people. | | Anyways..this is just an idea that has been floating around in my head for a while..maybe I'm just reading too many Sci Fi | books. :) | | | -Gel | | | | | ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
This is actually very similar to some aspects of UML, except UML is in 2D :) -Original Message- From: Angél Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: July 27, 2001 1:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! Hmm..well I had an idea for CFSTudio...that might have to be implemented at the CF Server level to be effective..or not..but here it is. Please don't laugh :): Leverage the power of flash and 3D Virtual Environments to make modular programming a lot easier. How about having each 'block' of code being a 3D box..and the input and output of each piece of code would be represented by a double/single headed arrow etc. that would link the boxes together. You could have a 'library' of these code modules that you could 'drag' onto the programming area. You would be able to view the raw code and change it as well within each module or 3D block. You hover the mouse over a block and you might see pertinent info like a Comment string included by the developer, or if it is a custom Tag the input and output that the tag does as well as a comment string etc. You can also scroll back and forth, or around in a 3D space to watch the 'flow' of the program as it takes shape, and isolate various elements such as Variable names, Umm..whether Client variables or Session variables...track queries and what hits are made to the database and what information is requested and see the results VISUALLY between the code block and a 3D representation of a database so you can think about things like load balancing etc. right there on the fly to give you a good gauge as to how your program will perform and the amount of calls that are being made etc. Or Isolate a section of the code flow and then check what Session and CLient variables should be present at this stage and then quickly back track to see where they should be set so you can easily track errors and see the program flow. You should be able to walk through the code by backing up to a Page level and go from page to page checking variables and output, databse calls..and then double click to 'zoom' in on a single page and then drill down further if necessary into a custom tag to see the raw CF Code.(Call an instance of traditional CF Editor) We could also take this a step further in terms of debugging, and analysing a program as opposed to actually creating and putting together a program like this if that is too radical. So you write the program normally, and this Virtual Program Display or CF-VPD would analyse the .cfm files, check what is called in which file and then construct a 3D Map of these connections that you can then use to track down errors or spot ways to make your code more efficient. The Visual 3D representation would take advantage of the rich media environments that are quite common in the Entertainment, world, but haven't quite made it into the mainstream business arena yet. Adobe and other companies are trying to introduce the notion of the 3D web. But the limiting factor on the net is bandwidth, on a single development workstation that isn't a factor however so there's nothing to hold back a Visual approach in that sense.Enabling this system over a broadband internet connection similar to how RPC works now should be included though. Each 'CFTag' could be represented by some sort of 3D symbol and connected...I'm thinking something like Visio..but in 3D..where you can roll up or down..back and forth through the program with the mouse. It may sound confusing..but if you think about it, it should make development a lot easier, quicker, and more accessible to a wide variety of people. Anyways..this is just an idea that has been floating around in my head for a while..maybe I'm just reading too many Sci Fi books. :) -Gel ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
UML? Would a Google search on UML yield useful results? :) -Gel -Original Message- From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] This is actually very similar to some aspects of UML, except UML is in 2D :) ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
well, let's see...the first result was: http://www.rational.com/uml/index.jsp which was pretty informative. the 3rd was: http://www.uml-zone.com/ which was also pretty good...wait a minute...tell me again why you just didn't search on it yourself instead of asking people to predict google's response (which would be a neat trick)? -Original Message- From: Angél Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! UML? Would a Google search on UML yield useful results? :) -Gel -Original Message- From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] This is actually very similar to some aspects of UML, except UML is in 2D :) ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
Because I knew some intelligent individual would be curious, go check it out..and come back and tell us about it, saving me the trouble. *looks at Dylan* ... ... ... ... ^_^ uml-zone it is! Thanks, -Gel -Original Message- From: Dylan Bromby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] well, let's see...the first result was: http://www.rational.com/uml/index.jsp which was pretty informative. the 3rd was: http://www.uml-zone.com/ which was also pretty good...wait a minute...tell me again why you just didn't search on it yourself instead of asking people to predict google's response (which would be a neat trick)? ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
Hmm, a 3D interface of modularized objects written in a scripting language that is compiled at run time into pcode, which is then executed by the CF server engine. Throw all of the layers Neo with the java engine will add and it starts to hurt my head. Honestly I think making CF easier than it is might violate the spirit of one of my favorite Albert Einstein quotes, Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler. Sounds like Project Swordfish and it's trojan maker program. Can you code an eBusiness Portal with integrated CRM, and B2B enhancements, and a couple of EJB's in less than 60 seconds with a gun to your head... ;-) jon At 03:03 PM 7/27/2001, you wrote: Hmm..well I had an idea for CFSTudio...that might have to be implemented at the CF Server level to be effective..or not..but here it is. Please don't laugh :): Leverage the power of flash and 3D Virtual Environments to make modular programming a lot easier. How about having each 'block' of code being a 3D box..and the input and output of each piece of code would be represented by a double/single headed arrow etc. that would link the boxes together. You could have a 'library' of these code modules that you could 'drag' onto the programming area. You would be able to view the raw code and change it as well within each module or 3D block. You hover the mouse over a block and you might see pertinent info like a Comment string included by the developer, or if it is a custom Tag the input and output that the tag does as well as a comment string etc. You can also scroll back and forth, or around in a 3D space to watch the 'flow' of the program as it takes shape, and isolate various elements such as Variable names, Umm..whether Client variables or Session variables...track queries and what hits are made to the database and what information is requested and see the results VISUALLY between the code block and a 3D representation of a database so you can think about things like load balancing etc. right there on the fly to give you a good gauge as to how your program will perform and the amount of calls that are being made etc. Or Isolate a section of the code flow and then check what Session and CLient variables should be present at this stage and then quickly back track to see where they should be set so you can easily track errors and see the program flow. You should be able to walk through the code by backing up to a Page level and go from page to page checking variables and output, databse calls..and then double click to 'zoom' in on a single page and then drill down further if necessary into a custom tag to see the raw CF Code.(Call an instance of traditional CF Editor) We could also take this a step further in terms of debugging, and analysing a program as opposed to actually creating and putting together a program like this if that is too radical. So you write the program normally, and this Virtual Program Display or CF-VPD would analyse the .cfm files, check what is called in which file and then construct a 3D Map of these connections that you can then use to track down errors or spot ways to make your code more efficient. The Visual 3D representation would take advantage of the rich media environments that are quite common in the Entertainment, world, but haven't quite made it into the mainstream business arena yet. Adobe and other companies are trying to introduce the notion of the 3D web. But the limiting factor on the net is bandwidth, on a single development workstation that isn't a factor however so there's nothing to hold back a Visual approach in that sense.Enabling this system over a broadband internet connection similar to how RPC works now should be included though. Each 'CFTag' could be represented by some sort of 3D symbol and connected...I'm thinking something like Visio..but in 3D..where you can roll up or down..back and forth through the program with the mouse. It may sound confusing..but if you think about it, it should make development a lot easier, quicker, and more accessible to a wide variety of people. Anyways..this is just an idea that has been floating around in my head for a while..maybe I'm just reading too many Sci Fi books. :) -Gel ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements!
Angel, that sounds like an awsome idea if all you're doing is data processing, but you loose some elements when you think of the platform that the vistors get in the end, a 2-D scrolling display that, unless the designer has done things perfectly (most don't, there's always one platform you miss), tend to look at least a tidge different on different browsers. In all honesty, I'd love to see a simulation of what is being coded in real time. Back when I first started working with web pages there was an editor that showed a preview of the page you were building *as* it was being coded. It wasn't a WYSIWYG, though. The code was actually entered in a text box in one window, and as you modified it you would see the changes in the window below. Wouldn't it be awesome to see something like this with mock data that Studio inserted based on a dictionary of variable names that studio would learn based on what the developer uses and defines? Wouldn't it be even better to know that the report you're working on will come out looking, just like that? I guess my other wish would be to have a better validator in place. Granted, I work with Studio 4.0.1 so I may be behind the times a tad on that aspect, but the validator included with my version throws fits if I cfloop around a tr or close a form tag in the wrong place because I don't want that stupid extra space! That's my dreams... and now for bed! Enjoy! Hatton Humphrey -Original Message- From: Angél Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Vote on ColdFusion Enhancements! Hmm..well I had an idea for CFSTudio...that might have to be implemented at the CF Server level to be effective..or not..but here it is. Please don't laugh :): Leverage the power of flash and 3D Virtual Environments to make modular programming a lot easier. How about having each 'block' of code being a 3D box..and the input and output of each piece of code would be represented by a double/single headed arrow etc. that would link the boxes together. You could have a 'library' of these code modules that you could 'drag' onto the programming area. You would be able to view the raw code and change it as well within each module or 3D block. You hover the mouse over a block and you might see pertinent info like a Comment string included by the developer, or if it is a custom Tag the input and output that the tag does as well as a comment string etc. You can also scroll back and forth, or around in a 3D space to watch the 'flow' of the program as it takes shape, and isolate various elements such as Variable names, Umm..whether Client variables or Session variables...track queries and what hits are made to the database and what information is requested and see the results VISUALLY between the code block and a 3D representation of a database so you can think about things like load balancing etc. right there on the fly to give you a good gauge as to how your program will perform and the amount of calls that are being made etc. Or Isolate a section of the code flow and then check what Session and CLient variables should be present at this stage and then quickly back track to see where they should be set so you can easily track errors and see the program flow. You should be able to walk through the code by backing up to a Page level and go from page to page checking variables and output, databse calls..and then double click to 'zoom' in on a single page and then drill down further if necessary into a custom tag to see the raw CF Code.(Call an instance of traditional CF Editor) We could also take this a step further in terms of debugging, and analysing a program as opposed to actually creating and putting together a program like this if that is too radical. So you write the program normally, and this Virtual Program Display or CF-VPD would analyse the .cfm files, check what is called in which file and then construct a 3D Map of these connections that you can then use to track down errors or spot ways to make your code more efficient. The Visual 3D representation would take advantage of the rich media environments that are quite common in the Entertainment, world, but haven't quite made it into the mainstream business arena yet. Adobe and other companies are trying to introduce the notion of the 3D web. But the limiting factor on the net is bandwidth, on a single development workstation that isn't a factor however so there's nothing to hold back a Visual approach in that sense.Enabling this system over a broadband internet connection similar to how RPC works now should be included though. Each 'CFTag' could be represented by some sort of 3D symbol and connected...I'm thinking something like Visio..but in 3D..where you can roll up or down..back and forth through the program with the mouse. It may sound confusing..but if you think about it, it should make development a lot easier, quicker, and more accessible to a wide variety
